Crazy how they managed to make people hate him and vote for right wing clowns instead
>>539150205yet somehow giving the bottom 1% free status doesnt effect the middle class. die commies
If rich people are happy, then I'm happy :)
>>539150205>freemason kike saysYeah I don't care. Communism and Capitilism are two sides of the same kiked coin.
>come to a board of self-identified NATIONAL SOCIALISTS>pretend really hard they're all somehow hardcore capitalists>quote a man who did not and could not understand modern global macroeconomics in any wayPlease commit suicide.
>>539150205Marx was a piece of shit, you can look up the details yourself
>>539150205He's a jew.
>>539150205Marx is very good at telling you whats bad about capitalism.However Marx is very bad at providing an alternative.Ultimately Capitalism and Communism end up facilitating the same end goal, two roads leading to the same destiniationOwning nothing
>there is a finite amount of wealthLmao, Leftists.
>>539150537you know this letter is a proven fake right?anyone without autism can tell just by the ridiculous wording but i guess thats an expectation too high on /paul/
>>539150205>/pol/ propagandamemes are the opposite of propaganda, though as a leftist you are incapable of comprehending this
>>539150205How come Marxists always physically attack the middle class?
>>539150205He sounds like a pathetic moralfag.
>>539150915There's basically no such thing as a middle class, white collar workers are still workers and small business owners are still business owners
"The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation." - Karl Marx
>>539150825>you know this letter is a proven fake right?No, I don't know that. But go ahead and show me this "proof".
>>539150205He's basically summarizing every Communist government in action.
>>539151005Small business owners are working class.Managers are not working class.Kill every communist.
>>539150362hitler hated socialists. as did mussolini
>>539152009Right Anon that's why his party named themselves SOCIALISTS and he spent many speeches describing and arguing the merits of SOCIALISM. Please kill yourself you worthless communist shitstain.
>>539150318What if them pounding your butt makes them happy?
>>539152009Hitler redefined socialism in accordance to the wisdom of nature. Not some jewish bullshit.
>>539150205post his writings about globalization (neverending expansion of capitalism).
>>539152903>>539152061>hitler said WORDS! OMGactions speak louder than words. he loved sucking powerful people while manipulating his own people and leading them to suffering. he was no socialist.
>>539153381Okay, what were Marx's actions then?
>>539150205the child's understanding of "wealth" as a big pile of somethingmarx did us the favor of revealing how many people have no fucking clue what's even going on around them
>>539153613spread the word.compare our current world and communication tech with the one he lived in. you'd be proud to influence the world as much as he did.do you think capitalists would have given you any rights without Marx and threats from commies? lmao
>>539153942>spread the word.Read: Fucking nothing.
>>539153613Being a smelly jewish drug addict.
>>539150205You’re going to have to get a job lead-ass.
>>539150205Economics is not a zero sum game. Marx is a retard
>>539154025I'm sure the multiple revolutions that came after him and the birth of the USSR, communist china, and even national-"socialist" germany were nothing kek
>>539154100>he multiple revolutionsYou mean the ones that resulted in "not real communism" over and over again?
>>539150205>lenin and stalin were peasant rulers Shut the fuck up lmfao
>>539150537free masons were talking about setting up isreali in 1880
>>539150205The Germans did not burn enough books.
>>539151928If we just hanged the lower 2% of "productive" people the remaining 98% would be much more motivated and productive.Honestly it would be great.
>>539154241yes?why do you keep trying to deflect the topic? why do you feel the need to deny reality like this? are you really that scared of the truth? fucking kek
>>539150205>Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew.>Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.>What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.>Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.
>>539154621>why do you keep trying to deflect the topicWhy do you? You literally just veered between claiming Nazis weren't socialist and then claiming Marx inspired their revolution. Pick one.
>>539150205Yep and it is a science - every action has an equal opposite reaction. This is why it is actually conservatives that don’t know how economics works.
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>>539154737do you really need me to explain history and politics? how pathetic can you get?
>>539154659>>539150205>An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.>We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.
>>539150205girl level of retardness thinking
>>539150205>Stalin wasn't real communism
>>539150205>the economy is a zero sum gameTypical kike pilpul bullshit
This faggot raped his live-in maid, had an illegitimate bastard son with her, and left her saddled with debt.
>>539154084The earth has finite resources. It is a zero sum game no matter how much money you print.
>>539154360In 1880 aliya already started If it's some secret thing you are looking for, go back further
>>539150205Kind gentlemen I made up a scenario in my mind.
>>539154847You're a retard. Fiat is a zero sum game. Full stop.Run from interest, rope people into the pyramid scheme, and grow the economy or be appropriated by central banks.
>>539150205The opposite pole is a combination of the natural state of the congenitally incompetent and violent barbarian savages of the world and the measures necessary, in a civilized society, to keep them from harming actual human beings. It’s the greatest constructive use such natural slaves can be put to.
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>>539154806>girl level of retardness thinkingStarting to think women are better more moral and better human beings than men any. Nearly every atrocity of human history always has some male dominance, power hunger bullshit behind it.
>>539150205At the same time Marx proposed maximum accumulation of wealth.Every commies country was aurocractwith dictator having rule over everything.Therefore communism goal is maximisation of misery.
>>539150205>Let's import 10% of the total population as non assimilating Jeets and give them infinite gibs as they scam every possible thing including food banks and pay 75% wages from taxpayers to any company who hired immigrants>What could go wrong
>>539154901>fiat is wealthMore kike pilpul.
>>539150205>masonic jew said
>>539154865It literally keeps making oil and trees you retardFish multiply on their ownNot to mention the fact we produce shit, get more efficient about it etc. civilized people take 100 square foot of real estate and make a tower thats has 10000 square foot of real estate
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>>539155003Doesn't change the fact that it's zero sum.Live where you are memeflag.
>>539155095National socialism proved it not to be zero sum, the works of the people increase wealth. When you build up a nation, you make it wealthier.
>>539155043>It literally keeps making oil and trees you retardHey Mr big nose kike. We are eating through our replenishable resources faster than they can replenish themselves.
>>539150362>>539150432>>539150545>>539150973You fags are stupid. It's not about free stuff or morality. It's about understanding when you are being fucked over and demanding rightfully yours. Yeah, great democracy - red party or blue party, when both are paid bribes by the same clique. Simultaneously work is paid less and less for 50 years and usury is becoming more and more profitable. That exact form of capitalism is usury of, a lot of the times, inherited capitals.
>>539150205>Creating wealth is the same thing than stealing wealthIf this white nigger had a job his son wouldn't have died.
>>539150973This Nietzsche quote perfectly explains all right-wingers and their ideologies. All they care about is power and dominance. Morality, fairness, justice, empathy, etc. all be damned if it stands in the way of the individual claiming more power for himself. But a world without morals is not sustainable.
>>539150915Because its existence alone disproves marxism. The ideology relies on the idea that class is the immutable and inherent thing which can be put into a fatalistic dichotomy (proletariat and bourgeoisie). But the existence of a middle class shows that there is a transitionary state between poverty and wealth where someone can experience a mix of both without seeing the entirety of either extreme. It also shows that an individual who is born rich or poor can end up on the opposite end or somewhere in the middle. Which completely kills the dichotomy. Remember marxism was never an intelligent ideology, it’s just that midwits fall for it because they lack critical thinking skills.
>>539155178We don't live under national socialism. We live under fiat corporate socialism. Under this system all property eventually ends up in the hands of bankers in the off chance the economy contracts which is inevitable.
>>539155230Not trueThe earth is going greener rn faster than ever (well except one period way back before humans, so that doesn't count)This is due to greenhouse gasses, CO2Our production accelerated the earth going greenerFact check me
>>539154901>Be Ford>See that cars cost as much than a house>Organize work differently>The middle class and even the poors can now buy a car>Everyone get more wealthWould you say that he stole his money? Ford is the reason why you didn't paid 200k for an A to B car.
>>539150205>1pbtid
>>539155411I would say the Dodge brothers stole his money and fucked us for generations due to Dodge V. Ford.
>>539155230if we're using 1.7x more resources than the earth has, how do we keep finding more resources to use?
>>539155372There is worse than to middle class: class mobility. >Son of hobos>Get a good business idea>Create his own garage/workshop/whatever>Hire 3 persons to help him>Now a capitalistAnd the opposite:>Nepo boy>never even try at life>Do nothing but to burn money>Kids have a tenth of what he had
>>539154778Pretending to not understand is not an argument.
>>539155262>It's about understanding when you are being fucked overSays the Marxist, who has watched Marxism fuck over people for 100 years and still blathers on about Marxism.
>>539155478Great exemple. No matter what the state does, the guy who get shit done is the one who sell his products, and he is the one who get money flowing.
>>539155538True, but in the end there is mobility nonetheless.
>>539150205Source: Trustfund commie jew who never worked a day in his pathetic life
>>539155517Say you own a forest of 100 trees. You cut down 10 every year, but the forest only grows back 8 per year.That's what we arw doing to our entire planets renewable resources genius.
>>539155538Yeah but the way things work now isn't like this at all>son of hobos>gets a good business idea>oops government says you need x, y, z certification, better spend 6 years in college>facing diversity requirements for college loans and admissions>time to start the business, finally>whoops, small business loans are totally slanted for racial reasons, beg a venture capitalist and they demand 89% of your businessIn practice the only way you get ahead is through knowing the right people. It's like a system of patronage where you are "sponsored" by someone on the inside.>son of a rich person>friends with all the wealthy people>make bad decisions and run your dad's company into the ground>showing up to these champaign dinners and parties where you're known>one of the richies bails you out by taking you on as a consultant It's like a class system where these people all help each other out.>
>>539155353Your reaction explains the LW divorce between competence and morality. Sane, practical people would never divorce such things from each other, as morality requires competence to SUCCESSFULLY manifest itself in the world; to the extent that it can’t do so, it’s worthless daydreaming and wound-licking, which does no good for anyone. The broader classical definition of virtue captured the implications much better than the modern understanding of it. Nature itself is anti-egalitarian, and which human types, be they congenitally competent or incompetent, proliferate is indeed a moral matter; the proliferation of higher types will eventually produce a better world. Even if the social conditions necessary to achieve that are harsh, at least in the short-term, it would still be worth it. Ironically, Robespierre’s quote captures the teleological, utilitarian, ends justifying means mindset as well.
>>539150205It isn't though.Misery, agony, toil, brutality, slavery, and degradation are the natural state of man. It already exists and wealth is the escape from it.
>greece>1pbtid
>>539155372That’s a bit of a strawman of Marxism, because proletarian doesn’t necessarily mean poor, just propertyless; a middle class renter would also fall in to the category. Likewise, it recognizes the existence of a petit bourgeoisie, who aren’t necessarily wealthy, but nevertheless own their own businesses. Their hatred of the middle classes stems more from their characteristic contentment, and subsequent lack of “sufficient” revolutionary potential. What’s actually theoretically wrong with Marxism is the idea that labor alone is the sole source of value, independent of land and capital, and the idea that all profit, of whatever degree whatsoever, however small, is “surplus value, unjustly extracted from workers.” Also, the rhetorical separation between workers, managers, and capitalists (as if the latter don’t also work) is disingenuous.
>>539155742We keep finding more resources because the resources are actually so plentiful that we never have a comprehensive reckoning of them at any given time, and said reckoning itself is also subjective to the incentives of cost/benefit analyses. As known reserves deplete, demand increases, and as demand increases, we’re incentivized to either find (and thus reckon the existence of) more, or else fin or invent substitutes for any particular resource, that approximates its utility. Julian Simon spoke of this…
>>539150205That’s how it’s supposed to work.Life separates the winners from the losers.Winners get rewards.Losers get shit on.If you’re a loser then work harder to become a winner.
>>539150205this >>539155894Marx was a fucking retard who spent his whole life pontificating while avoiding actual work, to the point that he let one of his children starve to death.He failed to understand basic concepts like the derivation of value, but modern people will still idolise him because they're a bunch of dent heads who are too stupid to think.
>>539150318If rich people use their wealth to push subversive political causes, like mass immigration of third-worlders to the first-world, LGBT propaganda, anti-Western pedagogy, LW street activism, etc, I’m very unhappy…
>>539155830>whoops, small business loans are totally slanted for racial reasonsI think you mean ethno-religious reasons.
>>539155353>Morality, fairness, justice, empathy, etcAll spooks.
>>539155353Nietzche is actually arguing for a pre Socratic conception of ethics, which is etymologically consistent with the foundation of ethics as aesthetic rather than moral and abstract. The “goodness” of the “soul” cannot be measured except with the implication of an objective other worldly standard separate from you the subject, thus abrahamic religon imposes a dualistic subject object distinction between you and god for which you can be judged against, Good vs Evil, rather than the original Good vs Bad. Much like how the word racist is colloquially used today and implies and imposes a standard of egalitarianism which didn’t commonly exist in the zeitgeist before Trotsky coined the term. What nietzche is saying is we are not called to be dogmatic and ultimately holy under whatever institution of our day defines that holyness as. But instead we ought to seek objective measures of aesthetic ethics, to test what values actually hold up under scrutiny, not just abandon all of morality, beauty is not wholly subjective it is defined by symmetry, physical strength by force etc, music by harmony, math by logic. These are all actually measurable and real otherwise we wouldn’t venerate smart or beautiful people collectively. You seem to think he seeks this turbo ancap retarded tech bro individualism, but really he is simply just following the metaphysical implications of evolution. And no one evolves by themselves it often takes a tribe or a nation or even a extended family to produce the environment and ecosystem conducive to positive reinforcement and eventual evolution as we are social animals by nature, so it dosent eliminate the natural impulse for empathy or cooperation. It actually grants you a deep empathy because most people are so eager for liberation in a heavenly propagandized death that they are truly scared to live in the now at all, survival is not always winner takes all its often just a hurdle/bottleneck .
>>539152061The Nazis (to their credit) literally imprisoned actual socialists, specifically for being socialists… You apparently can’t distinguish between mere names and actual substance… Hitler purged the wing of the party (Strasserites) that actually supported genuine socialism, and once in power, though far from a supporter of laissez faire capitalism, he supported industrialists who played ball with the party line, particularly the arms industry. Genuine socialism, in general, promotes the (usually uncompromising, if not ruthless) prosecution of class war, while Nazism (to its credit) sought class collaboration, with workers deferring to owners on the one hand, and owners having noblesse oblige towards the workers on the other; this, justified through nationalism (based), and accomplished through a certain level of state derigisme.
>>539150205>Guy can literally dismantle years of /pol/ propaganda with a single quoteYeah, communists never inflicted any misery.Seriously dude if Marx was alive he'd call you a retard for not realizing that the state communism thesis didn't work and would tell you that a new synthesis was clearly necessary.Hanging on to a clearly failed theory is just pathetic. Figure out what direction you think leftism should go in and move forward. Stop being a slave to failed 19th century philosophy.
>>539156739He was right to purge them. Modern leftists are just Strasserists in denial anyway.
>>539150205The only reason why Marx was a fan of communism was because he never had to experience it
