Is there any realistic way for them to win at this point?
>>539162408yes but it wouldn´t be pretty for them
>>539162408yes, nuuuks
They will win by redefining the definition of winning.
>>539162408If NATO stop funding Ukraine
>>539162408They literally control 18% of your country, and I doubt they will agree to give it back, no matter how much of it is a wasteland now.
>>539162408nukes
>>539162408depends on your definition of the word "win"win as in take over Ukraine and sanctions go away and economy SOMEHOW recovers? LOL nowin as in have a regime change, beg everyone to stop sanctioning them and MAYBE not become a vassal to ching chongs? yes
>>539162408Only one side is retreating on the battlefield and it's not Russia so....
>>539162474he said realistic ways. the chance of their expiried soviet nukes working properly and achieving what they want is pretty low.
>>539162540they occupy a hell hole that is constantly being bombed at enormous annual cost, whilst are continuing to make no progress. it becomes unoccupied as soon as the motivation to hold it disappears. even crimea is becoming a burden now.
>>539162540And 1 decade from now russians will control 18% of their own country
if the EU invaded Ukraine, desu they might lose. Ukraine is top tier at this point
>>539163009ziggers had enough time to service the nuuksbetter use then now while they are fresh
>>539162408they are totally winning as we speak; vlad somehow managed to squeeze thousands of days into a 3-day special millitary operationon the surface it may look like some kind of war but in reality space and time has been successfully transcended
>>539162408You'd have to define what the winning conditions are first.
>>539162408They could always win. But the embarassement is too much.
>>539163074As I said, doesn't matter. The land holds a symbolic meaning now.>>539163078I do think it will be fun if it shatters into 3 small ones, but your prediction is too unrealistic kek
>>539163009This, "NATO funding stops" or "russia uses nooks" are not realistic scenarios>>539163074For some reason they can’t grasp how russia needs to keep sending men into that territory to protect it, how many decades are russians willing to keep fighting at their current pace?
>>539162408The real question is: is it possible for Ukraine to negotiate a peace deal that doesn’t involve losing territory to Russia?
>Putiin finally had enough. decides to go all in and nuke ukraine>Putin launches nuke>missile takes off great as russia loves investing in missiles as they make good footage>bomb fizzles and lands in field undetonated. because no need to invest money in expensive old bombs you never use>ukraine finds bomb, europeans and americans study it and see putiin tried to nuke them>rest of world big mad, putin an embarrassment
>>539162408For Kikes forever wars are the winning case and additionally they are benefiting from local white population reduction and massive illegal immigration
>>539163244how about this?>get your men the fuck out of ukraine and the crimea if you want your country to stop burning and your men to stop dying
Memes aside, Russia seems to be winning more or less by its own standards. It keeps grinding forward. I would actually question Ukraine's victory conditions a lot more. To win, it would need to at least restore its 2013 borders and its pre-war population, which seems completely hopeless. That's not being rude or mean, but realistic. Europe and the US mostly just want to use Ukraine to destroy Russia, and Ukraine has volunteered for the job.This seems to cost Ukraine a lot more than Russia over time.
>>539162408They're bankrupting Europe just standing still.If Russia failed, nothing much would change in Russia and the EU would have an enormous bill to pay.If Russia won, the EU will have massive bills to pay plus Blackrock loses 50% of the land it 'bought' Even America would be hurting.
>>539163244There's no world where Russia doesn't keep what it has taken, or atleast a portion of that territory. Too many russians dead or wounded to walk away empty handed. Putin cannot have that. Personally I have been amazed by Ukraine's ability to strike within russia and crimea, if they weren't being cucked by nato for years this war would look very different.
The comedy of Ukranians thinking they're winning when crimea exists.
>>539163373nuke or perish this is the choice of the zigger
>>539163413>There's no world where Russia doesn't keep what it has takenAlthough it's likely Russia will st least keep most of what they've taken there are many ways they might lose it all. Their country might fracture or implode due to some external or internal factor.There are many known unknowns and more unknown unknowns and many things can happen even though they might not be very likely.
>>539162408no. but then again, ukraine will not win either
>>539163373bankrupting europe, how? in what reality? it is costing russia astronomical amounts to wage its war in ukraine, and its economy is crumbling. it's costing europe a few hundred billion? a similar amount to what the USA has blown in iran in a few months? it's nothing in the scheme of things for economies of this size. if europe itself were at war with russia, the amount of money being spent on the effort would go into the trillions of euros. at the moment the EU is just reluctantly throwing in what it can squeeze out of its budgets. no where near full war economy like russia and ukraine
>>539163324>decides to go all in and nuke ukraineThat's not the next escalatory step. The next one is attacking Ukrainian-owned facilities outside of Ukraine
There are three scenarios in which the war ends. 1) Political collapse in Ukraine; 2) political collapse in Russia; 3) the Russians run out of political will and accept a compromise peace. None of these show any sign of happening at the moment. Therefore, the war continues indefinitely.
>>539163373"THEY'RE BANKRUPTING EUROPE" and it's barely a rounding error lmao
>>539163373GDP keeps going up, policy rate is 1/10 of Russia'slmao
whatever happens they will claim they won anywaybest case scenario they claim "victory", go the fuck home and stay there
>>539162408If by 'win' you mean occupy and hold Kiev and everything east of the Dnieper, then not really. Best they could manage is nook the whole border ala MacArthur's radioactive DMZ zone, but in that case no one really wins because no one can hold that territory.But if by 'win' you mean literally most things falling short of that, let me ask you if there's any realistic way for you to get back the Donbass region, Sea of Azov and Crimea? Take your time, I'll wait.
>>539163074how much is Ukraine costing the rest of the world? How many Ukies have died? This is a war of cleansing. The end result will still be new borders for Russia, but lot's of degenerate faggy Ukranis and Zigs will have been cleansed from the earth. Trillions of economic and military losses to the rest of the world. Sometimes it's about the journey, not the destination.
>>539163903ukraine gets a few billion, which is basically a rounding error in the annual budget of the west.germany is literally spending more each year to give old people new knees than they give to ukraine.and all the NATO ordinance ukraine gets is last generation stuff from the 90s that was rotting in a warehouse in Nevada anyways, and it completely outclasses the russians.the blood toll is worse for russia, because they're already suffering from a population bottleneck.ukraine will eventually join the EU after this war and have an actual future, get an economic boost like poland and romania, and be part of a community of friends, while russia will still be a hopeless mafia state.Russia lost this war by week 4 when they couldnt roll over Ukraine, they wont live this embarrassment down for another generation at least. Imagine if Germany got held up by Belgium alone for 4 years during WW2, people would still be memeing about it.
>>539163356It also seems like it's blatantly obvious who's pushing for this war and their terms for winning always has been the more dead ukies or russians the better, like what Linsey Graham said when he met Zelensky the first time in Kiev. It's the best money they've ever spent. Russia officially have stated this is a satanic cabal and that they're literal vampires feeding on the european and western nations. They're not even refuting this. The Western hemisphere have no political win conditions only a corrupt, scheming elite who wants even more power over their dying lower classes. Not that Russia doesn't have this class of people, but they're not overreaching like what the western ones in particular are doing because they know this war is existential where EU vassal states just can tolerate further decay as long as nothing ever happens because we're leached on their money supply and our politicians are controlled like they are.
>>539162408They could declare war to start with. And start to fight for real.But putin is too old for that, we will need to see a younger leader to really start the war.
>>539162408.Ukraine has lost. Even if you argue that there are some plan going on, you already have lost the sympathy that you needed form the populace.Russia played the long game, and won.
>>539162408They need to import more niggers and pajeets to breed with Russian women. Diversity da!
>>539162408Capturing Stinky is an automatic win like hitting the weak point of the Death Star.
Russia can "win" whenever it likesJust stop attacking and go on defensiveInvest heavily in AA defenses. Drones and cruise missiles are slow and easy to shoot down. However Putin wants these 4 provinces and can't do that until they'll all fully under Russian control, so war goes on.
>>539164096>the blood toll is worse for russia, because they're already suffering from a population bottleneck.if that's what russia is suffering, then ukraine's population is a goddamn hangman's noose.
>>539162408Is there a realistic way for Ukraine to get back the 28 million citizens it has lost since 1991?
>>539162408>Is there any realistic way for them to win at this point?yes.
*bonk*
all they need to do is not let their frontlines collapse entirely and they can take some territory, which in their eyes is a victory on it's own
>>539162408They are hoping on China but since the campaign isn’t going to good China will see this a sign of weakness and keep selling Ukraine pallets of droneRussia isn’t looking to good in keeping the land it has capturedRussia is desperately clinging to North Korea as its last ally Even if Putin declared a cease fire and at best keeps crimea because no way he is keeping that land Putin now has to answer to all those veterans, damaged infrastructure, pissed off citizen.Who knows how that will play out So Putin is just going to have to do the same old trick of just keeping this thing going.
>>539163074The Russians raped the shit out of our lands after the war had concluded, they don't give a shit
Russia couldnt recoup the cost of this war by exploiting the new territory even for hundreds of years, so no there's no win.It was supposed to be a quick land grab like Crimea and so far it has cost Russia its entire international reputation, its armament exports industry, a good chunk of its trade, a good chunk of its prime workforce, etc.The only way out now is forward, they need to keep grinding. If they cannot force Ukraine into a peace treaty and keep what they took Russia will eventually collapse under a barrage of drones, or be reduce to a wartime North Korea tier country, completely irrelevant and fully a slave of China. If they throw nukes the whole WW2 order is off the table and the great land grab could start. I don't think Putin has the balls for it though, but we will see. Theoretically IF the nukes work they could go all the way to france before anyone is willing to risk MAD to stop them. Then the world would be split into America / Europe, Russia and China
>>539165226>its entire international reputationThe vast majority of the world does not condemn the invasion of Ukraine
>>539162721>economy SOMEHOW recovers"economy" needs to cool down anyway because it's a mess of overpaid managers and hr whores.
>>539165308India is not the majority of the world Ranjeet
>>539162721The Russian living standard has risen during the "war" lol
>>539165464India, China, South America, Africa and the Middle East are the vast majority of the world indeed. Get out of your stupid bubble, NAFOtroon
>>539163233>keep sending menYou mean like all those pigs that you kidnap on the streets to send into a meat grinder? Lmao.
>>539163233You should care about your own issue this war isn't suitable for even your country for long term. The end of its fallout would be soon realised when this shit stops.
nah bruh they are cooked
>>539162408No. Just more death and destruction on both sides.
>>539165464>everyone not paid to shill for the kikes in kiev here is brown!
If they use nukes they will get nuked back by EVERYONE, even china, and moscow will become a giant crater.You can't let pass a nation to use nukes in a war of conquest, that would cause a total new nukes ploriferation and risk future exchanges way worse than what russia can nuke and nuke back now.
>>539163572The combined natonal debts of NATO members is 60 trillion dollats, and skyrocketing.NATO has to pay the jews 2 trillion in interest/year before they can buy a single bullet.Russia: 400 billionGood luck with that(Plus they have to pay you faggots to pretend ukraine is winnin
>>539162814It's not Ukraine either. Russia hasn't made any advances in 4 years now.
>>539165959Why cant you faggots put some effort into your propaganda?
>>539165875>If they use nukes they will get nuked back by EVERYONE, even chinaWhere does this meme come from? That there exists some mutual understanding between countries on the opposite ends of the world that they should nuke in retaliation?It is so stupid it's baffling
>>539165875This. If Putin wants to go on his own terms he knows how its done.
>>539165959Technically it changed 1-2% but yeah not much. If russia wants political exist it must capture the last 3 cities of donstek.
>>539162484That's actually you and Ukraine.
>>539165875>get nuked back by EVERYONE,What, do you think the whole world can survive a nuclear exchange with Russia? Do you think that the US and France will start a nuclear war for Ukraine? At worst, the US will nuke Iran after that> muh nukes on war of conquestThe US did that to Japan, it's so convenient to forget that
>>539163078You don't even control 18% of your own capital city
>>539162408Yes by pulling out of Ukraine and surrendering their nukes.
>>539162408Yes, sure.1. Arrest all elites who have Ukr ethnicity. Basically, arrest 100% of them2. Arrest elite etc who have families in west. 3. Create anti drone weapon (soviets and drones)4. Start kill euro and ukr elites. Bomb factories and energy in Europe. 5. Create many dirty nukes from nuke trash that was send by Europeans. 6. Nuke euro energy, keep killing euro and ukr leaders.7. Switch to a real battle tactics. Current ru battle tactics are clearly a betrayal from elites What they do now>You're not allowed to kill h-ol soldier and civilians who help them.It's crazy. No army in world have such retsrded orders. You must kill enemy soldiers and civilians to win.
>>539162408What does it mean when both Russian and Ukraine governements tend to adopt the same policies?That you are the loser and globalists fuck you hard in the ass no matter where you live.
ukraine gives up if stinky falls
>>539166136Show me the 4 cow fields Russia captured since 2022, pidor
>>539162408no, a snail would've reached Berlin by now
>>539162501money is cheaper than bloodand you're not getting it, moishe
>>539165925>EU pays 2T/year (if I believe your numbers) on a 17T/y GDPoh no, how can we afford bullets with only 15T?
>>539165308post flag, patriot
>>539164258Ok so when do Russians stop dying?>>539164838>Invest heavily in AA defenses. Drones and cruise missiles are slow and easy to shoot down.Have you seen literally nothing about the refineries and tankers and AA itself getting bombed?>>539165308>But shit skin thirdies stand with russia!(As long as we're paid)
>>539162408Elections in Germany, the UK and France will save russia.Fr fr frNo cap
>>539166962>The traitor elites lying to papa Putin aren't letting us kill soldiers!Not even Russians believe this saar.
>>539162408define winningthey're probalby not giving up donbasbut they also set russia 30 years back, economically
>>539165344ok, you trim the idiots from paid positions, but that alone doesn't create economic momentum. Infrastructure development does. And it's gonna be hard to gain it when China is in trouble itself and with the Western sanctions.
>>539165226>America / Europe aka America please save us!Fuck you, retard
>>539165480It may look like it has risen because you're upside down
