This is how stupid pro lifers are
Hell is going to be a place where you're aborted over and over for an eternity.
Do these look like human beings capable of living on their own and making independent choices on their own lives?
>>539164572I don't like pro-lifers OR pro-choicers at this point This is just one issue I want to avoid talking about, ever
>>539164572The solution is to abort communists.
>>539164572Most adults can't take care of themselves in 2026. Just remove tap water and grocery stores. Should they all be exterminated?
>>539164572So you want to kill elephants and dolphins?
>>539164690>Just remove their water and food source and people won't be able to surviveUh...yeah. That's how that works.
>>539164572>This is how stupid pro lifers are
In India they not only eat cow dung but also start counting your age from conception
>>539164635Total fucking weirdo
>>539164831No, you go hunting, fishing and gathering. Cities become concentration camps where people will stab each other over toilet paper
obviously most men want abortions but only in cases where it benefits them. "pro-life" has always been about controlling the women around them.
The correct response was>do you?
>>539164572>OH NO we just got owned by some literally who on Twatter!Fucking kill yourself you 1post faggot.
>>539164572Post nose
>>539164676>I get demolished whichever side I takeSkill issue.
>>539164910>No, you go hunting, fishing and gathering. Cities become concentration camps where people will stab each other over toilet paperI'll just form a gang and go to countryside to hunt you hillbillies down and steal your stuff
>>539164975I could successfully argue for either side. That doesn't mean I want to.
>>539164572>I mislead you by showing another species embryo that anyone would, in good faith, have taken for a human embryo if it was presented as such (which i did, implicitely), since embryos at this stage look very similar accross a wide range of species.Such a dumb "gotcha", it doesn't even address a single argument for or against abortionThe fact they they have to resort to this kind of irrelevant, kindergarden tier arguments goes to show that pro baby murders have truly lost the plot
>>539164572Why do you protect women's bad decisions? Why not just use protection/not have sex and you won't get pregnant instead of killing your baby because you're a self centered retard?
>>539164915A potential mate being a baby murderer and/or supportive of baby murderers gives men the "ick." How weird of them!
>>539165028This is literally the far-right argument tactic for fucking everything.>posts picture of pretty white woman>posts picture of ugly black woman>sAmE sPeCiEs bY tHe wAy
>>539164572I dare you to argue that pajeets should be considered human.
CHILD SEEEEEEXXX!!!
>>539165002Sure you will gringo. You'll roll over and die like a bitch when big brother stops taking care of you
>>539165072All black women are ugly
>>539164572Yeah well a liberal would say that you can identify as a dog or a dolphin so really libs are worse.
>>539165002Come get some
>>539165072>Tu quoque,[a]literally "you, too", is arhetoricaltechnique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behaviour and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, so that the opponent appearshypocritical. >Thisspeciousreasoning is a special type ofad hominemattack. TheOxford English Dictionarycites John Cooke's 1614 stage playThe Cittie Gallantas the earliest known use of the term in the English language.[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Women lose a little a bit of their soul every time they bleed between the legs. Every 28 days they become more and more soulless until they are completely fucked in the head.
>>539164572>le heckin gotcha baitDo life haters really?
>>539164572This does not prove that it’s not life…. I don’t understand the obsession with killing babies, it’s a little weird.
I mean the guy is still not wrong? Both of those animals can grow to make decisions? Is the op of the op's op a fucking retard?
>>539165193Population control and way to achive White genocide >>539164966
Try to imagine what a fetus would experience if he were somehow aware; it's the stuff of nightmares. No wonder demiurgic women must convince themselves of the contrary, aided by jews who, as we know, eats fucking children. And I am not a christuck
>>539164572>This is how stupid pro lifers areI also enjoy murdering too.. are you jewish aswell?
>>539165070you would pay for an abortion if the birth inconvenienced you and you fucking know it. don't play with me.
>Do these look like human beings capable of folding space?
>>539165115All fetuses are non-sentient >>539165147If their debate tactics suggest that the left has "lost the plot," and the right does the exact same thing much more often, then what does that mean?
Tricking someone into saying something foolish or contradictory during a debate is often an Ad Hominem attack (specifically the gotcha or straw man variety), combined with Sophistry.Straw Man: Intentionally misrepresenting, oversimplifying, or taking an opponent's argument out of context to make it easier to defeat or sound absurd [Wikipedia].Ad Hominem (Abusive/Circumstantial): Instead of engaging with the actual argument, you attack the person's intelligence, character, or credibility to invalidate their position [Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy].Sophistry: Using clever but deceptive reasoning to win an argument rather than discover the truth.
>>539165242>Try to imagine what a rock would experience if it were somehow aware; it's the stuff of nightmares.Damn, we need to execute all rock-kickers
>>539165242>If he were somehow awareThey do feel pain, unless you abort extremely earlyAbortion is both barbaric and satanic, anyone who defends it is either a brainless normie that has never thought deeply about this issue (or any issue, really), or a satanic psychopath. If you defend abortion you're one of the two
>>539165019>nuh huhlmao. Solid retort.
>>539164572pro-lifers are retarded religious cucks. defective children should be allowed to be culled way after they've been born if they happen to be too much of a burder to society.
>>539165294What the French guy was saying was not an argument,it was simply an affirmation,there is a difference between saying "you are stupid" and saying " your argument is wrong because you are stupid"
>>539164572>Durrrrr... Babies should be killed because they look like animals early in the womb. Duuuuurrrr......
>tfw picrel would render this faggot ass endless tirade a non-existent issue if bitches and faggots would fucking use it
This board has become unusable
>>539165416Your lack of morality and basic empathy makes you a defective individual (something probably went wrong when your brain was developing) sorry, into the trashcan you go
>>539165372calm down pierre-louis. let me guess, you're a catholicuck wanting more children to abuse in the secret alcove of your church, that's why you're "pro-life"
>>539165002>goes to the countryside to pwn le chuds>trips over hidden wire>???>prophet
>>539164635Ok schizophrenic jew
>>539165072When presented with evidence the right wing will at least concede that those are not in fact humans embryos, which wasn't the point they were trying to make. The left together will insistent race does not exist regardless of evidence
>>539165416I find it funny how anons on here will have a problem with this and then proceed to simp for the Nazis
>>539165416>>539165544Show flag
>>539165544You are projecting too hard my friend, not everyone needs dark and immoral motives to defend righteous ideas. Some of us just defend them because they are right. The fact that you cannot envision such a possibility says more about you than it does about me.
>>539164676they dont call themselves pro choicers anymore after the my body my choice over the covid vaxx
>>539164854>wikipediaI'm going to guess it omits his religious views as the article was written by a redditor
>>539165579It has not been sufficiently scientifically proven that race exists in the way the far-right says it does. You can say that's because scientists can't get the funding or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact.
>>539164572You don't have to be stupid to not be able to see the difference between various fetuses of different animals. The question implied a precondition on how to interpret the pictures. Also, it is completely beside the point of argument.
>>539165559more like gets smoked in the face by a 50BMG from half a mile away
>>539164572pro-choice here. Abortion isn't a good thing. Best is if parents have when they are ready and willing or use contraceptives / day after pills. Abortion is like a last failsafe option to avoid a shitty scenario. As far as I'm aware fetus is still far away from being a conscious human and you have to draw the line somewhere. We can mass produce humans if we really want as each day you ain't fucking is a "life lost" which is silly and why we aim for quality of life over quantity. And no, for you white nationalist breeding enjoyers, forcing poor people to have kids when they are teenagers isn't going to make them pump out kids. Families in Africa often does it because it's economic to them.
>>539165625what is right and moral in keeping a harlequin baby alive retard? how is it moral when it is a burden to their own parent and society?
>>539164572You're genuinely retarded if you think this refutes any pro life argument
>>539165372consider the following:you run into a burning hospital, in the room to your left is a rack with dozens of embroys, ranging from 1-15 weeks along the gestation period, they are fully viable and will be implanted into their happy and expecting mothers soon.in the room to your right is a crying toddler.you only have time to save one. saving one dooms the other. do you go for the rack of embroys or the toddler?assuming you are non-schizo, then you know the answer. because deep down you understand that an embryo the size of a fingernail is not a human being and doesnt need that much moral consideration compared to an actual human being (e.g. the mother)
the embryo/baby's defective? just cull it and make another one. simple as.
>>539164793This guy is an expert in pilpul
>>539165727That's the easy way but why not make it more fun?Area defence viet cong style. Traps everywhere
>>539165807You are defective. It is time to cull (you)
>>539165884https://youtu.be/Tlu1ZfYr6vA
>>539165753A person's value isn't defined by their autonomy or their ability to produce. Otherwise babies would be worthless, old people, the disabled, the sick etc.And honestly, you tooI am sorry but I refuse to believe that you are a well socialised individual with healthy friendships, and maybe a mate or children. Your views do not match with that of a happy, healthy person. meaning that you probably yourself fall in a category that would make you a prime candidate for extermination
>>539165962If you actually believed every person inherently had their own special value and was beautiful in their own way or whatever, you wouldn't be here.
>>539165353A rock is not capable of developing sentience, but you are, which means you have in potency the ability of developing consciousness. Now consciousness can't come out of nothing. That means conscious beings are always conscious of themselves, and what develops is the brain/mind through which sentience is expressed.
>>539164572Why do the Glowies and Masonic committee try pinned goylems against each other?
>>539165883eventually you have to clean up the traps, you know, in peace time, otherwise your children or grand children find them and its a bad time all round.
>>539165287Wrong. And when is giving birth or raising a child ever "convenient?"
>>539165753Why do life haters have to point to rare conditions that aren't the norm to make an argument? Its like trannys pointing at people born with rare genital defects and claim they are valid
>>539165802If you have to resort to extreme, impossible scenarios to justify your position then it is an extremely weak position to hold.
>>539165962>dont worry my sweet harlequin, we'll spend significant time and resources to keep you alive, it will be misery for us on earth but that's needed to unlock a ticket to MUH PARADISEcuck
>>539164572>post an image in bad faith with a provocative comment>HA HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW WHAT AN ELEPHANT/DOG FETUS LOOKS LIKE?Leftists really are just absolute retards
>>539164572just kill itwe are full
>>539166141its a simple thought experiment, answer the damn question.
>>539164641Nope
>>539164854Wait till they find out our universe is trapped inside a blackhole looking outside.
>>539165802False equivalence.A burning hospital is a situation that1- is outside of my control2- forces me to make a quick decision to save or doom the embryoI would save the baby because in my mind, the devastation caused by the death of the toddler to the parents would be greater than that of the embryo, also because it is fully conscious, but that is still a moral dilemma. The same way I would save the toddler if the other choice is a dying grandma in a coma, but that doesn't give me the moral right to murder old grandmas. The same way saving the toddler doesn't give me the moral right to kill embryos whenever i feel like it, burning hospital or not.There is no moral dilemma in abortion, no dying toddler if you make the wrong choice, you either give a chance to a human being, or you murder it, which is why your example of the burning hospital is a false equivalence when it comes to abortion. A better comparaison would be that I intentionally set the hospital on fire myself and that I have the choice or not to save the embryo, in which case I would indeed chose to save the embryo.
>>539166098As much as I can logically understand the utilitarian argument for the killing of retards, mutants, etc. the truth is if all human life isn't equally precious then none of it is, and following that logic, the absolutely worst atrocities and oppressions are logically defensible also. To re phrase, if all human life isn't axiomatically sacred, then functionally no human life is sacred.
>>539166204You use extreme arguments like harlequin babies when in reality you are defending general abortion, which is in the vast majority of cases practiced on healthy children. Let's say we allow abortion for extreme medical cases and make it unlawful for any other cases, would you be okay with that?
>>539166098Because most abortions after the usual allowed time frame are carried out because of fucked up conditions. And the transgender movement was sparked by things like knowing hermaphrodites, and gender dysphoria exist...
>>539164572> capable of living on their own and making independent choicesNeither can women, but we still give them rights.
>>539164572>Different creatures look like each other at a certain stage of life, this means you have to be okay with killing everything that looks like this!Are you sure you're not retarded? You seem like you are.
>>539166469Same question I asked to your friend, if we allow abortion for extreme medical cases, but make regular abortion unlawful, would you be ok with that?
>>539166048>Now consciousness can't come out of nothing. That means conscious beings are always conscious of themselvesYou have no evidence of your consciousness existing before your physical body did, therefore it quite literally did come out of nothing
>>539165288oh hells yea!
>>539166560Nothing does not exist. How something not existent could ever produce existence? Can you picture a "nothing" which is not in itself something (like an expanse of blackness)?
>>539166675What do you remember before you were born?
>>539166551What do you mean "regular abortion"? I don't believe in out right banning abortions, I believe in regulating them as much as possible, but anywhere abortion is just banned is either a third world shit hole or had huge economic and social impacts that stressed everyone out. So set some parameters and that's it.
>>539166710What do you remember about being a toddler? Like the vast majority of people, probably nothing.Yet toddlers are very much conscious and able to interact with others and their environnement
>>539164681This guy is based.Abort communists and niggers.>>539165559I live in the countryside and there are no boobytrapped tripwires in the woods.Doing that would be pretty dumb since the people most likely to trigger them would be our own children or even just ourselves.
>>539166739most people on here want to live in a third world shithole, just with white people
yes, society would be worse if abortion was illegal. countries where abortion is illegal are 3rd world shitholes, there's a lesson in there. we saw what happened with caucescu's orphanages
>>539164572>1pbtid
>>539166739Regular abortion, as in "I have a completely healthy baby, but I just don't feel like having a baby, so i'll kill it" (more than 90% of abortions)If you support that, then don't bring extreme scenarios like disabled babies because that is an argument made in bad faith, you want to move the goal post to extreme cases that present some kind of moral dilemma even though abortion as it is practiced right now doesn't present any moral dilemma, it is in the vast majority of cases completely moraly unjustifiable. As for your argument that we should allow the murder of children for "muh economy" it is so deranged, baseless and laughable that I will not address it. If anything, a lack of children is probably what's going to kill the economy in 10 to 30 years.
>>539166776We have evidence that toddlers are conscious.We don't have evidence that your consciousness existed before you were conceived. And we have evidence that fetuses aren't conscious.
>>539166710I don't remember. I don't remember "nothingness". When you sleep, are you dead? No. But your mind is temporarily suspended, so no mental processes are there to be remembered later.
>>539165962>>539165753How about abortion is a tragedy and in these extreme cases the tragedy has already occurred so abortion is moral Murderer hoes get the rope and unlucky defects get put out of their misery with gods grace Win win
>>539166290your equivalency is still missing the fact that birthing a child is not a momentary, heroic deed, but a process that will change the body and life of a woman forever.a better comparison would be being involved in a car accident. if, by some freak accident, the person in the other vehicle gets injured and needs to be conjoined with your own cardiovascular system for 9 months in order to survive, would you do it?should anybody else (e.g. the government) be able to force you to do this?what about your own bodily autonomy?what if you caused the accident, does it matter?this practically also applies to organ donations. you can live with one kidney, and your donation WILL save somebody elses life, so why dont we force everyone to donate blood, plasma, a kidney or some liver tissue? its not that big of a deal after all, a lot less of a commitment than having and raising a child, then we dont we force everyone to do this?
>>539167037If by consciousness you mean "the mind" then we are not talking about the same thing. I mean existence. Existence is not created by the mind. But a rock can never develop the ability of being aware of itself. It cannot develop a mind able to do so. Hence it's not sentient.
>>539166830Correlation doesn't imply causation.Rich countries aren't rich because they murder their children, in fact, the lack of demographic renewal is a real threat to the economy.It's more that 1- economic prosperity and wealth makes people selfish and entraped into consumerism, both are incompatible with giving life to another being2- we have the infrastructure to safely perform abortions, in most third world countries abortions are extremely dangerous medically
>>539166096when it's a surefire way for a man/family to continue a legacy and maintain their property/assets.
>>539164572Why did they call it an elephant and a dog I thought they were just clumps of cells?
>>539167022reminder that 90% of all abortions happen before week 16 when the fetus has no working brain and is the size of a peanut. this is not a person, therefore its not murder."I dont feel like having a baby, so I kill it" is complete horseshit. women dont have abortions as a form of birth control, they have them because birth control fails sometimes.
>>539164572Can we just kill embryonic elephants instead of babies? Will that satiate the lefts lust for baby blood?
>>539167037We have evidence that toddlers are conscious only because they interact with the world and other people, we've already proven that a lack a memory is not proof of a lack of consciousness, therefore the possibility that consciousness could exist in a being before he starts interacting with the world is not disproven
>>539167290That would be animal cruelty and active genocide kek
Is he implying elephants and dogs can't live independent lives and make their own choices? Does he think these animals only exist in zoos and households?
>>539167044>>539167179I don't even know what the heck you're arguing for anymore There is no evidence that your consciousness isn't dependent on your physical brain (and thus didn't exist before it, and won't exist after it) Literally all claimed psy phenomena could be real and it still isn't incompatible with all of it being generated through your physical body
>>539164915It's about (You), the woman, controlling yourself. Every major patriarchal society had abortions because no matter how much rape fantasies you watch, women will always have control over their own bodies, they can do whatever they want without the man's input. The only thing stopping you was shame and regret.
>>539167335You acknowledged that rocks aren't conscious. Something requires the correct hardware to be conscious. The evidence suggests that fetuses do not have this yet at the point where abortions occur.
I've yet seen a leftist make an intelligent decision or show proof of sentience.
>>539167022I didn't talk about the morality of all of this, that's on you. My morals are different from yours and so forth. And... A fetus, or embryo, or zygote isn't a baby anon...
>>539167447nah dude i'm pretty sure it was the fucking men.
>>539164572So if I stab a pregnant woman and the baby dies should I be charged for murder?
>>539167236To end your retarded argumentMe mandating, after I become emperor of the earth, all brown/nigger babies before the third trimester to be aborted for now and all eternity is not murder - >genocide but just the removal of some automy of mothers which makes it a meh crime that carries a few years in house arrest at worst Thank you my Aryan brother for paving the way for the white race
>>539167586not if you quickly impregnate her again.
>>5391671331- being pregnant isn't an accident, you had sex2- no one is "forcing you" to do anything, not the governement, not the patriarchy, you had sex (see point nb 1), and sex carries the possibility of pregnancy, we're not forcing you to have a child, we're asking you to be responsible and assume the consequence of your action3- pregnancy isn't a disease or an very invasive medical procedure, in fact, the majority of women enjoy it.4- bodily autonomy is a meme, the bodily autonomy of a modern woman relies on thousands of workers and factory keeping her alive and maintained. Drop a modern woman in a forest and she won't last 10 hours. The modern woman likes to believe she's strong and independent but she isn't. That relationship with society is one sided if she refuses to birth children and assume that she has duties to the society. Making her a parasite, not a strong independant woman with bodily autonomy.
>>539167555Pakistan performs 3.8 million abortions a year. 63 per 100,000 women. Significantly higher than the US at 14-20. Strict Islamic society where women can go to jail for blaspheming.Why are women having WAY more abortions in a way more patriarchal country?
>>539164641If by "these" you mean the overwhelming majority of normies (among which there are also miggers), then the answer is no.
>>539164572That doesn't disprove what the replier said. He can be wrong about those specific fetuses, but his argument wasn't hinging on "correct identification of these 2 photos," he was saying that the fetus (even if it apparently looks like animal ones) will grow up to be a human so tiny organism seed or not, you shouldn't kill it. The "ian" faggot didn't even digest or address what the replier was saying, he was so giddy with excitement to post his flowchart gotchya. I hate what twitter retards have done to the tatters of intellectual discourse.
>>539164572>thats not even a refutation of his point just shitty "hahaha you arent biology expert and cant tell the embryos apart"Pro abortionists get the rope.
>>539164572I'm not even in the pro-life camp. Abortion is basically the one thing keeping negro population somewhat in check.That said, libs truly are demons that only see language as a tool for manipulation.In the example given, they are eschewing everything in favour of surface level observations, as if appearances were the only thing that mattered in biology and ethics.And retards eat it up, of course (which is why they win; most people are retards).
>>539167411You simply do not understand and are not even trying answering my arguments. Existence cannot be proven by science, existence is the background of every conscious activity you can have. But you cannot measure or quantify it. The proof of existence is existence itself. Have you ever seen a non-existent entity thinking about something?
>>539165665>polar bears and grizzly bears separate species>can reproduce and create fertile offspring >are less genetically distant than human racesAnthropologists are afraid to apply taxonomical standards to humans because of the implications
>>539167779>Drop a modern woman in a forest and she won't last 10 hoursNeither would you lmao.
>>539167700this eternal wisdom brought to you by the Talmud
>>539164572>Haha! You fell for my bait and switch! I don't have to engage your beliefs with any level of understanding or logic because you got tricked! I'd shoot Ian in the head and call it a late term abortion. His original point isn't even cogent. By his logic toddlers can be "aborted"
>>539167862Do rocks not exist?
>>539167236What's you basis to claim someone is a person? Having a working brain? In that case a lot of people in comas aren't persons, yet it is illegal to murder themAs for the birth control argument , I never did say that human use abortion as primary form of birth control (even though some do)
>>539167236>90% of all abortions happen before week 16 when the fetus has no working brainLeftists don't have a working brain. Can we abort them.
>>539167519But that hardware can develop if given space and time to do so. Potentially it is there. It is not there in a rock. It is simply not a good comparison.
>>539167887I think i would last more than 10 hours, i'm pretty outdoorsy, but you're right, i probably wouldn't survive for an extended period of time, which is why I don't claim to have full bodily autonomy
>>539167857YOU CANNOT EVEN RESPOND TO WHAT WAS SAID. YOU JUST SPOUT DEATH THREATS LIKE A SAVAGE. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?????
>>539168014You don't actually believe a zygote is a conscious being.
I don't think I'd approve of abortions for those species either
Abortion should be enforced by law in case of ANY deformity or mental retardation risk.
>>539167955Rocks do exist, but they don't know that and can never know that. A fetus is already equipped to develop a functioning brain and depending on its stage it can already feel pain. A better comparison would have humans vs animals.
>>539164572Yeah, and if you tried to abort the dog or elephant babies leftoids would have a meltdown.
>>539168170See>>539165525
>>539168185A fetus doesn't know it exists either. It is functionally a rock that may at some future state develop into a non-rock.
>>539164572Imagine being a lefty. Fags
>>539164572I like arguing with pro-abortion people. I pretend to sneeze and spit in their face. They can't sue me for assault because it was an accident.
>>539168405You haven't talked to another human being IRL in months
>>539165294>temporary non-sentience means its ok to murder humans because being pregnant is le inconvenient and le uncomfy xddddddddddlolyou fucking evil malicious demon faggot
>>539168435it hasn't developed sentience at all yetit's coming from an eternal void of non-sentience and is still in thatthis is like saying a dead body is experiencing "temporary non-sentience"
>>539164572Roe v Wade is history. You lost.
>>539166288Big Bang violates Newtonian physics anyway.Can't have a bang without a crunch of exact and equal reactive strength.That defaults towards an equilibrium existing for eternity before, and eternity after.Not towards a singular spark of the worlds, which the scientists don't know came from Norse mythology, the spark between Muspel and Nifl, chaos and absence, expansion and contraction.Oooh that's in Egyptian mythology too. Ennead and Ogdoad both have something like this.
>>539165665>in the way the far-right says it doesgay retarded qualifier used dishonestly because you know damn well distinct inherited ethnic groups have been consistently observed in genetic data>well akshually these lineages that align closely with traditional racial designations aren't the same as race so that means there is no connectionsad that you can't just admit it
>>539167965>Having a working brain? In that case a lot of people in comas aren't persons, yet it is illegal to murder themNeural network of a person in a coma already exists, it's just temporarily offline. Neural network of an embryo does not exist yet.It's the same difference as between a turned off computer with installed operating system and important data, vs. a new computer with a blank hard drive.The existence of mind = personhood.
>>539168096yes.Go abort yourself.
>>539168497do 1 day old babies have "sentience"?if not, is killing literal born babies the same as cutting grass in your eyes?if not, why not?
>>539165713>The question implied a precondition on how to interpret the pictures.Yes but the liberal's argument is contingent on an entirely different set of presupposed rhetorical conditions. Aha! Now they can say you just can't tell the difference in embryos so that's why they're not human!This kind of sophistry behavior is why their ideology does not function and the only cure for the cultural problems they pose is a bullet.
>>539168569>do 1 day old babies have "sentience"?Yes, or at least it's safe to assume so. The same can be said for the fetus at a certain point, but it's after the traditionally-accepted Roe v Wade cutoff where virtually all abortions occur.
>>539164572The stupidity is on the side of the anti lifers. The looks of a being are irrelevant.All that matters is the genetic disposition, the potential to evolve into a complete human with personality.This grants the "nasciturus" a special right even before their birth.
>>539167411>you can’t prove it doesn’t come from the brain!!>why no I can’t explain how it comes from the brain but it just has to okay??
>>539168781>The looks of a being are irrelevant.You don't actually believe this.
>>539168718is it ethical to torture and murder "human beings" (according to your world view) who are braindamaged and dont have the prerequisite sentience you are so fond of? why or why not?
>>539168811Why aren't you conscious when you are in deep sleep or under anesthesia? Why don't you shift your awareness to where your consciousness really is, if it's somewhere else? Why do changes in brain states directly affect your consciousness?
>>539168886I don't think it's ethical to torture and murder animalsIf they're literally so braindamaged that they don't even qualify as animals then I don't see how torturing them would even be possible
>>539168811The burden of proof is on those claiming that supernatural phenomena exist. In the absence of any evidence, the default hypothesis is that sentience is a natural, biological phenomenon.
>>539165627What do they call themselves now? Pro abortion or something? Ghoulish if so
>>539164572I think we should abort you with some 5.56
>>539164572Pro-life people make life not worth living more than a few other groupsIf I had to choose to get rid of like, all niggers vs all pro lifers, I would keep the niggers
>>539169048your definition of torture is irrelevant hereyou avoided answering the question because you are a coward and you know you arent in the righthere's a human being, braindamaged, based on your worldview not consciousis it wrong to cause it pain, and then slice its throat randomly for no reason?or maybe my reason is that it was in my way, its existence was inconvenientand doctors are 99% sure there will be an available medical breakthrough in a couple years that can make him conscious by the wayis it wrong to cause this being pain, and kill it, why or why not?
>>539167236Something like 95% of abortions are elective. No amount of mental gymnastics will ever justify murdering a child in development simply because you've deemed they haven't reached stage yet.
>>539164572that's such a disingenuous argument.>do these look like human beings capable fo living on their own and making independent choices on their own lives?a better response would have been to post a picture of a swaddled newborn and ask the same question.pro-death people really are retarded.
Abortion is wrong no matter how many shitty memes you spew, no matter how many stale arguments you throw at people, how many disingenious "gotchas" you get online. >>539169048Oh look, abortionist thinks killing animals is le bad.Surprise surprise.
>>539169235If it's capable of experiencing pain, then it's clearly conscious, you histrionic buffoon.
>>539169099Consciousness is a supernatural phenomenon, by what we can prove through science it does not and cannot exist, it’s just an “illusion” (though ironically by definition an illusion requires an observer)
>>539169235I know you sleep like a baby at night making sure the jesuits keep the medical industry alive and thriving by way of producing sickly mixed breed patients in desperate need of constant treatment. next you'll be defending the muslims and their 40 vegetable babies they shit out to max out their benefits
>>539168994is it okay to kill people under anesthesia? why or why not? they are not conscious after all and that seems to be your "criteria" on who we can and cant murder for no apparent reason
>>539169298Killing animals is bad. Yes.
if you have to kill it, it's alive
christcuck pro-lifers are retarded but not for the fact you think it is. remembered when christcucks unironically argued for dysgenic retards to be born into White families? Plus most abortions are blacks
>>539169382Bacteria and viruses are alive. All you're proving is that a fetus is on their level.
>>539169117I think it’s just anti-baby now
>>539164572wow op this twitter post radically changed my entire moral and theological framework, i see the error of my ways and think women should be allowed to murder their unborn children in the womb now
>>539169324where your cutoff is for abortion, the fetus is clearly capable of experiencing pain, even though you dont have a clear definition for it, before you answer you ought to give one or you are just using rhetorics to avoid answering the question againthe fetus reacts the same way to outside stimulus with its nervous system as a braindamaged disabled personone is okay to murder for the lulz in your bookfor some reason you are suddenly defending not murdering the otherwhat is exactly the difference?try to answer the question this time
>>539169238Yep. The real question is how do we make abortion illegal for Whites yet easily accessible for all nons?
>>539169423You really should be calling yourselves pro-baby because when it comes to human livelihood outside of baby making you people are an absolute net negative
>>539169359>>539169470I'll give you the courtesy of letting you know I'm not engaging with you further because of how clearly emotionally unstable you are about this. Good day.
>>539169413define consciousness, how to measure it exactly, wishy washy "uuuuh brain signals" isn't an answer and doesnt define it, and give an exact reason why its not okay to kill consciousness beings (for example a human) and why its okay to kill non consciousness beings (for example the same human but in fetus form)
>>539165741Shut up, faggot.
>>539169547I accept your concession
>>539169370>>539169547>redditor thinks its okay ti kill babies but not animals>flees like a faggot he his when his shitty gotchas ring hollow for actual humanseverytime
>Do these look like human beings capable of living on their own and making independent choices on their own lives?
>>539165028>surprised that person makes illogical bad faith argumentWere you born yesterday
>>539169656do the one where it fixes the traffic cone
>>539168994Just because something affects something else does not prove it creates that thing. The argument is still:>I can’t prove it but it must because…. Well just because!!
>>539164572It's mostly liberals utilizing abortion so its ok
>>539169815I'm not ruling out components of the "brain is the receiver" theory, but all observable evidence suggests that the physical brain is still necessary to turn any of that into conscious experience.
>>539170007you literally can't answer such simple question as "is it okay to kill people under anesthesia? why or why not? they are not conscious after all and that seems to be your "criteria" on who we can and cant murder for no apparent reason"you are a coward and your only way of avoiding to answer it is calling it "emotionally unstable" because, well, you can't answer itnot just a coward but also ignorant and uneducatedyou have no argument here
>>539169869It’s entirely liberals. They’re literally genociding themselves. Meanwhile conservative Whites are having more children now than at any other point in the past 50 years….
>>539164572Aborting animals is as evil
>>539164572They're still mammalian species and this isn't the gotcha moment you niggerachi's are looking for.
>>539170007The most charitable interpretation is that it’s a guess, based on very little evidence. A convenient guess that doesn’t require you leave the comfort of your established beliefs or develop a sense of a wonder about the natural world
>>539164910>sorry chud, these are the king's woods. you're not allowed to hunt here.
>>539165072Calm down buddy, that's just a joke
>>539169331Wrong.
>>539164572>ok you got me, let's kill some children together
>>539170892this is a brilliant reply that succinctly lays bare the essence of the argument.they are, literally, trying to convince you to get on board with murdering babbies.most times when i write "lol" it really means that i just snorted through my nose.but, in this case, i actually laughed.this is why i love this place.one line that perfectly distills the absurd position of the left.
>>539164572One drop of my cum is worth more than all abortionists combined
>>539164572cheap trick
>>539164641Doesn't matter what politics normies haveThey aren't human
>>539171463surrender
>>539164854>Classic bait and switchI bet if you did the opposite with creationists you'd get the same result.Most Christians don't know half the prophets let alone have reas the bible.Stupid people exist. Wow.
>>539171354Find a buyer and make some money then chump
>>539165511Exactly.All I see is twitter niggers and trannies.
>>539171598But don't give yourself away
>>539164635You lack creativity.
