There are two paths in life. And there are two kinds of learning which correspond to the two paths. These paths are polar opposites and mutually exclusive. This is actually embedded in the movie The Matrix, this video is relevant to that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFTmiAx7R48***path one***Mind over matter. The path of self-sacrifice. The path of Jesus. The path of the spirit. This corresponds to learning for intellectual cultivation and truth. The path of pure ideas. This path cultivates curiosity. It's the path of enlightenment and liberation.***path two***Matter over mind. The path of the ego. The path of the flesh. The path of pragmatism. This corresponds to learning for utility. This path kills curiosity. Picrel is the motto that people walking this path live by. These people are uncultured and destined for hell.Most people are walking path two. There is nothing that can be done to lead them out of it. They will keep walking this path until eventually their suffering might cause them to wake up.>>>/wsg/6195115>>>/wsg/6188932https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAp8hX0U-jwPath one is Europe, the only civilized part of the world.Path two is the anglosphere.
>>539165204Learn logic.False dichotomy.You said truth-seeking and usefulness are mutually exclusive.One counterexample disproves that: someone can study medicine because they love knowledge and because they want to help people.Both motives exist together.A ∧ B is possible.Therefore A ⊕ B is false.also why do you spam, you could have answered in last thread. pussu faggot.
Most people here don't know what "mind over matter" and "matter over mind" mean. These are terms which describe two fundamentally different worldviews, mentalism or philosophical idealism vs philosophical materialism. The former says matter arises out of mind and is dependent on mind, the latter says mind arises out of matter and is dependent on matter.The former is the worldview of George Berkeley and many other philosophers. The book Problems of Philosophy by Bertrand Russell says it's the worldview of most philosophers. I haven't read the book The Kybalion but the wikipedia article about it says it promotes this worldview.https://www.gutenberg.org/files/5827/5827-h/5827-h.htmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles>1. The principle of mentalism>"The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental."
>>539165280this is a bot
>>539165204illogical, emotional, spammer>>539161169
>>539165347you want a hand timestamp?
>>539165321A false dichotomy narrows reality into only two options when more possibilities exist.It forces artificial choices between things that can coexist.It oversimplifies complex issues and removes nuance.It ignores mixed motives, intermediate positions, and exceptions.It makes people think they must choose a side when no such requirement exists.It can misrepresent opponents by forcing them into categories they do not fit.I.It can lead to false conclusions because the conclusion depends on an incomplete set of options.Most importantly, a single valid alternative or a single case that combines both options is enough to show the dichotomy is false.
>>539165632fuck off spamming bot, you didn't even fucking read what I said here >>539165321, every thread you're in you have the same posting style where you fail to address the point, and misrepresent words, these are signs of a bot, you also post irrelevant images for attention, kys rat
>>539165894I did. I am saying your initial argument is false because it is a false dichotomy. Anything you build on it will be wrong. Its just not true you only have those 2 choices.
>>539165894its opposite always avoid addressing the points and call everyone coomer. Do you understand why I claim its a false dichotomy?
>>539166118>>539166175fuck off retard, I don't want to talk to you
>>539166213talk to my arguments, logically.
>>539165204>The path of pure ideas. the path of "pure" ideas is worshipping a brown jewish rabbi from israel that had a mutilated cock?talk about logic lmao.
>>539165204First part is taken almost exactly from Gathas of Zarathustra.That makes more sense than violent Christianity
>>539165321"Mind creates matter" does not imply "there are only two paths in life" or "only two kinds of learning."Also appeal to authority fallacy
>>539166432you don't know how to engage in intellectual discourse, you have a long way to go before you're ready for that, fuck off
I recommend watching the video I posted. It's an unusual analysis of The Matrix. The idea that he says is hidden in The Matrix and which he spends the bulk of the video talking about is path one. He then objects to this path, without any real depth, and asserts the mere negation of it to be the true path for the white man, he spends maybe less than a minute talking about this at the end of the video, this is path two.
>>539166684>The Matrixa dumb jewish movie made by 2 jewish troons
>>539166684Yeah, man that's a movie made by some seriously mentally ill "men"
>>539166321OP is a free mason. He hate Jesus Christ.
The same video is here.https://archive.org/details/youtube-CFTmiAx7R48It's by a youtuber called Wyatt Stagg. The description of his channel is "Cultural analysis from a European perspective."https://www.youtube.com/@wyattstagg1783He analyses movies mostly, and it's usually about hidden anti-white propaganda in the movies. He sees this in The Matrix too. I think his video touches on something deep and philosophical in the movie. For people with a brain it's a springboard for discussion, food for thought. This board is just retards though who don't care about anything deep or philosophical.
>>539167347>for discussionyou arent here to discuss things.you refuse to actually use logic as the other german has shown exhaustingly before and you are shilling a desert dumbfuck dickcutter religion.and if these threads dont go like you want them (so always) you alternate to making threads where you whine about what other men do with their cocks.
>>539167609fuck off retard, that poster is a bot, or else someone with no clue about logic just like you
>>539167725>gets btfo by a botlmao even worse for you
>>539167843fuck off retard
>>539168892follow your own advice, you arent welcome here.
>>539168957you aren't welcome here, brainlet
I haven't seen a single good discussion on this board in months. Nothing but fucking retards here now.
>>539169020>brainletbut you are the brainlet, you worship a mutilated jewish rabbi lmaoyou see this will never catch on here and you wont find people here to join your gay jew loser religion.>>539169061so fuck off then
>>539167725>>539167843Im not a bot. He refuses to argue and makes up excuses every time. only thing acceptable is agreeing with him or you are ad hominem.
>>539169674he comes here of all places to shill false binary trickery like we have not seen it before.
>>539169738>Im not a bot.I know, I was just mocking OP for being a retard.>He refuses to argue and makes up excuses every timehes a christcuck, thats how their "logic" works.as soon as you corner a christcuck and have basically entirely dismantled his religion/dumbfuck logic he will throw a tantrum and become butthurt or run away and then make the same thread again pretending nothing happened.>only thing acceptable is agreeing with him or you are ad hominem.exactly what a christcuck thinks a "discussion" is.these "people" are unironically mentally handicapped.
>>539165280based logic argument enjoyer
>>539169903I dont understand why christians dont find it weird that they worship bible god that had a pact with baby blood, sure, jesus later, but its still same god, its one god. i would have an issue with that characterisation of god and implications. I guess they think about other things, like how to spam on pol.
>>539170050He will love thisPremise 1: Christianity is monotheistic.Premise 2: Monotheism means there is only one God.Premise 3: Jesus is identified by Christianity as God.Premise 4: The God of the Old Testament commanded circumcision.Conclusion: The command to circumcise comes from the same God whom Christianity identifies as Jesus.Let:G(x) = x is GodO = Old Testament GodJ = JesusC(x) = x commanded circumcision1. ∃!x G(x) (There is exactly one God)2. G(J) (Jesus is God)3. G(O) (The Old Testament God is God)4. ∀x∀y((G(x) ∧ G(y)) x = y) (If two things are God, they are identical)Therefore:O = JAnd:C(O)Therefore:C(J)
>>539169960he knows jack shit about logic, like you, he just wants to derail threads, he always does this, I've seen him in multiple threads
>>539170050>I dont understand why christians dont find it weirdbecause its a cult build on dumb jewish ideas?>I guess they think about other things, like how to spam on pol.christcucks have been spamming pol hard for the last decade, for some reason they think they can convert people here to their jew slave religion.
>>539170280"he doesn't know logic" is just an assertion, not logic.
>>539165204>these two deeply entwinted correlating things are mitually exclusivemidwit detected.
>>539170357they are tools. Religion threads are instigated by fags and lefties from their boards because it is best d&c for the right. pagan vs christian all day long, but christians get hooked on it and then make it a trend, but sparks are usually from commie faggots. We know this for a long time now.
>>539165204Jesus made it very simple,>"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."- Jesus
>>539170510>christcucks are the only real /pol/acks>protoglobohomo/christcommies are the true /pol/ackskek, also I agree thats its d&c but this also attracted a lot of retards who think they are in good company here and are legit believing all this jewsus crap and want to spread this cancer to validate their own delusions.also true /pol/bros will reject all shitskin religions and never kneel for a shitskin.
>>539165204Mind is the same as matterThink again in everything
>>539170928>Mind is the same as matterchristcucks and jews need these to be separate things so they can cram in their otherwise useless jew god into it.
>>539165204Mind over matter is just as wrong as matter over mind.Buddha rejected asceticism, Nietzsche ridiculed idealism.Mind is the transfiguration of the body, not its opposite.
>>539171480fucking dumbass, mind over matter and matter over mind have nothing to do with asceticism or the body, I fucking explained already, nothing but fucking retards and bots on this board now >>>/wsg/6198057 (You)
>>539170928> Mind is the same as matterNo, it's not the same, not exactly.If it was the same we couldn't tell one from the other. But we apparently can.There once was a Buddhist school of thought that assumed everything is consciousness-only, the Cittamatra of the Yogachara tradition.Their epistemology has been thoroughly debunked by the famous Buddhist philosopher Nagarjuna who laid the foundations of the Madhyamaka school of thought that avoids both nihilism and eternalism by teaching the Middle Way.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogacharahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhyamaka
>>539172069> have nothing to do with asceticism or the bodyYour lack of understanding is regrettable but I can't help it, you don't seem interested in learning.
>>539172852It doesn't, dumbass, read The Problems of Philosophy.https://www.gutenberg.org/files/5827/5827-h/5827-h.htm
>>539170928doesn't fucking matter if they're the same thing, I already said mentalism is the belief that "all is mind", another useless retard
>>539173006>>539173072Reading Russell does not change the logical issue. The fact that mind and matter are distinguishable does not prove that mind creates matter.Difference ≠ dependence.
See what I mean when I say bKf7Wa9r is just a derailment bot? You probably don't because you're all fucking Frito Pendejos.
>>539173730>christcuck>is also a schizokek
>>539173730I can see the post still Im not a bot lol. I get what you are saying.People who seek truth and wisdom are spiritually elevated. People who only seek practical benefits are trapped in ego and materialism.The biggest issue is the starting assumption: you treat two categories as mutually exclusive.Is knowledge valuable because it is true, or because it is useful?
>>539174294why must "true" and "useful" be opposites?
>>539175099Ok, a distinction between different purposes of education, but a distinction is not the same as mutually exclusive opposites.The error is assuming:"education for truth" OR "education for utility" when in reality both can exist together.A scientist, doctor, or engineer can pursue truth, cultivate the intellect, and create practical benefits at the same time.
>>539175099Aristotle studied philosophy and biology. Leonardo da Vinci studied beauty and engineering. The false choice is pretending that curiosity dies the moment knowledge becomes useful.
The video I posted says that The Matrix has a hidden anti-white message. Basically he's saying that the message of the movie is that the white man should not fight against his own destruction or extinction or whatever because this extinction is his salvation. At the end he says the whole message is wrong and that white men should reject it. But he doesn't go into actual argumentation. This is the same two paths as in the OP. One path is self-sacrifice. The other path is self-assertion. Look at Henrik at red ice and many others. Listen to his early shows, then compare to recent shows. His ego grew after he found out about the Jews and in fighting to save himself he lost his soul. Many such cases. Liberation comes from moving into the realm of pure eternal ideas, this is what a classical education does.reposting the video linkhttps://archive.org/details/youtube-CFTmiAx7R48
>>539175585>>539175700watch the video I posted in the op, dumbasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAp8hX0U-jw
>>539176185I watched it. The video makes a good point: pure math has value beyond immediate utility.But it actually supports my argument, not yours. "Not pursued for immediate usefulness" does not mean "opposed to usefulness."Pure math is the perfect example: ideas studied for truth alone later became the foundation of technology.The false dichotomy is treating "truth" and "utility" as enemies when they can coexist.
>>539169881Good point. Had the same thought in another thread. National Socialism, before it got slightly out of hand (hahaha), literally was the 3rd way. With a few adjustments it could be possible at least not or less unthinkable.
>>539176064This is the same false dichotomy again.Self-sacrifice and self-assertion are not opposites. A person can sacrifice for a cause while also asserting themselves, protecting others, and acting in the world.Likewise, pursuing eternal ideas does not require rejecting practical action.The problem is not the value placed on classical education or truth-seeking; the problem is assuming all other motivations are their opposite
>>539176410>>539176533All your points are extremely muddled. Math obviously has utility. So? The division I'm talking about is in the mind, two paths in the mind, while you're talking about very mundane things, two fields of stuff in the world. I didn't ever say it doesn't help to fill up gas if you're going to drive a car and buy groceries. The fact that stuff that has utility exists in the world has nothing to do with the division in the mind between a cultured person, aka a European, and a godless uncultured incurious utilitarian, aka an anglophone. There is only one philosophical school to come out of america, pragmatism.
>>539165204The first paves the road to hell and walks it pretentiously, believing it to have been wronged.The second drives back and forth over the same road, pitying the fool too proud to ride.
>>539177282You are simply asserting that anyone who values pragmatism is "uncultured" by definition. Can you prove that a pragmatist is incapable of intellectual cultivation, or is that a value judgment?The Buddha is a strong counterexample. He was arguably one of history's greatest truth seekers, yet he rejected certain abstract speculations when they did not help solve the problem of human suffering.The parable of the poisoned arrow makes exactly this point: knowledge is valuable, but wisdom is also knowing which questions actually lead to liberation.So seeking truth and seeking practical benefit are not opposites. Even a major spiritual tradition shows that truth can have a practical purpose.
>>539165632>It makes people think they must choose a side when no such requirement exists.yeah stay lukewarm then
>>539179593get caught in ordo ab chao games
>>539174294>valuableTalmudic thinkingvalue is when useful, when gives some material benefit
>>539165204OP idolizes jews and freemasons because, just like them, he is a satanist and a pederast. His god is Lucifer.
>>539165321OP idolizes freemasons and jews because, just like them, he is a satanist and a pederast. His god is Lucifer.
These are the vile creatures that OP idolizes and praises as our moral and intellectual superiors.
>>539179864Something can be valuable because it is true, beautiful, enlightening, or useful.The question is why these must be treated as mutually exclusive.If knowledge is valuable because it is true, and some true knowledge is also useful, where is the contradiction?Also calling it "Talmudic thinking" makes no sense. The idea that something can be valuable for more than one reason is not uniquely Jewish.In Christianity, faith, truth, charity, wisdom, beauty, and salvation are all treated as values that are not reducible to material usefulness. Catholic thinkers such as Thomas Aquinas distinguished between things that are useful and things that are good in themselves.Outside the Abrahamic traditions, the same idea appears everywhere. The Buddha taught that wisdom has value because it leads to liberation from suffering. In many Greek philosophies, contemplation of truth was considered intrinsically valuable. In Confucian thought, virtue is valuable even when it brings no material advantage.So no, "valuable" does not mean "materially useful." That is a much narrower definition than most religious and philosophical traditions have used.
>>539170411OP can't into logic. This has been demonstrated many, many times.
>>539165204>>539165204You’re a faggot. Mysticism aka mind over matter is for psychopathic subhumanshttps://reichandlowentherapy.org/Content/Home/functionalism.html
>>539165204>Mind over matter. The path of self-sacrificeEquating spiritual growth with self sacrifice is poison. Ego and self is always what you are protecting.
>>539180460Ask yourself why "truth seekers" always end up learning about the Jews and their "nefarious plots", which coincidentally are against "their interests". People who smoke weed often have "epiphanies" about the evil cabal. Did this evil cabal exist before they smoked, and its existence was revealed to them when they smoked; or did the evil cabal in fact not exist before they smoked and was created in that moment as punishment for sin? You don't know. Nothing empirical will answer this question.So then when you have something in your world which is against your interests, there are two paths you can go. One is pragmatic, physical, ego-centered. What can be done to defend against what's happening? The other is to move into the realm of pure ideas. And then the enemy was in a sense the catalyst for that move. So yes there is a dichotomy, but it's something deeper than you make it out to be.
539182549>you're just a drug-addled fool imagining that jews work against you and evil cabals exist, but even if they do, you should be grateful because they'll force you to retreat into the realm of pure ideas where you don't have to do anything and won't care what happens to you.^^^This is your brain on mega doses of cope and cowardice.OP idolizes jews and freemasons because, just like them, he is a satanist and a pederast. His god is Lucifer.
nonsense>Path one is Europe, the only civilized part of the world.>Path two is the anglosphere.nonsense, 4chan refutes you. anglo board, dedicated to the spiritwilliam james, emerson, etc.
