Some guy in a spanish small town owns a bit of land, and built a nice home on it. But!! Authorities found, probably due to a snitch, that his license only allows the construction of a shed, whereas what he made is, in practice, a livable home, which requires a different, harder to get, license. So, they gave the owner an ultimatum, either he evacuates and lets them tear it down, or he'll go to prison. Pic is authorities tearing it down. This is happening all across Spain to thousands of homes, btw, as more people try to escape the housing problem by building themselves a home without a license.As you know, the housing problem in Spain is DIRE. People can't afford a home, can't have children, birth rates are incredibly low even for european levels, people in their 30s live with their parents because what can they do...What could by the root of this? Some people think prices depend on how greedy owners are feeling on a particular time period. Others think it's a mathematically determined market price that is influenced by supply and demand interactions, and increases if supply is low or demand is high. Who knows, the fact is, people can't afford a basic need.Why are businesses not building more homes anyway? Don't they see that anyone building a home with this prices would make a big profit? The answer is, a government permit to do so is hard to get. Hmm... I wonder whose fault the problem is, then.If home prices are expensive in your country, then chances are this is silently happening there too. Government corruption and destruction is what makes homes expensive. This is what Trump meant when he said he wants to protect home values, btw.
That's exactly what capitalism is about, dumbass. Rulership of the capitalist class. The capitalist buys politicians who then create articial scarcity and force everyone to rent his apartments. Win-win. Except for you working class plebs. Having neither money nor political influence, you literally don't matter in the capitalist society. I know, all the corporate ads say you DO matter. They also keep telling you how free you are. Every day. Why would they lie to you, right?
>>539166533Dude you are very bad at reasoning.Real capitalism is private property and free exchange, without coercion.But I suppose what you're trying to say is, this is what capitalism really means in practice, as it gets corrupted when applied. But then, what is socialism? If capitalism means some people are in power, and use force to take money for themselves, which is effectively what this is, then, socialism, in which the entire economy is centrally managed by people in power, who also live in luxury and are often corrupt, is capitalism too?
>>539165946Hahah "doo"
>>539165946Finnish faggots buy spanish houses for vacation and profiteering reasons. I am sure other homo nations do it too. One guy was just bragging on a newspaper that he is going to make a bank by "flipping" spanish houses. Meaning he buys cheap and does cosmetic renovations and sell high and make a nice profit. The house prices are still quite affordable in spain compared to finnish prices, you have warm weather and we have not. So expect a lot of semi well off (almost rich, but not quite, but with a good pension) Kalewis (finnish bomers) moving there and keeping house prices rising.
>>539165946KWAB, couldn't be me! We can build our houses however we want.
>>539165946you are only seething because in your cherry picked case its a home.but what if a company buys some land next to your house and starts building a lard factory?you would clap if the government does it to them
>>539166712You're arguing with a Russian commie diasporoid
>>539166772>le wild dumb mutt appearsit is all so tiresome
Nothing works without Ethics. Nothing will ever work using unethical jewish counterfeit banks.
>>539166712.Socialism is actually worse than the people they criticize. The ruling class becomes the capitalists, and the working class remain poorer.
>>539166945Sorry, I didn't actually sage your thread.
>>539166849Klaus "anal" SCHWAB
>>539166712Private property is private property. Capitalism is capitalism. Rulership of the capitalist. Money is power, kiddo. That's how capitalism works. You buy people and you use them for your own pleasure and benefit or against those who oppose you. I will leave your weird attempt at logic uncommented. Capitalism is not definded by what you think socialism is. Capitalism is the rule of the capital, the rule of the capitalist over everyone else. That's all. That house guy there, he lost because he couldn't afford to bribe the city inspector. His place is on the bottom of the capitalist pyramid. Where the workers and social welfare losers are.
>>539167124Germany lost in fifa wc in surprising early stage. I guess your top footballists have realised the country is fucked beyond all repair (FUBAR) and they play just for monies now.
>>539166894>no one can afford a home>government demolishes homes to protect boomer home values>that's cherry picked! what if it was a lard factory?
>>539165946You are either a dishonest or stupid person. Spain does not build enough houses to meet its population growth. Spain's population growth is entirely driven by immigration. It's natural population growth rate is negative. Therefore this is a problem of capitalist policy - that is mass immigration. You are trying to blame sensible building regulations which actually protect people's property rights when the actual problem is a policy your capitalists impose on the population of Spain namely mass immigration.
>>539167464Just relax and enjoy more finnish people moving there. Spain is already our little colony, and the great kalewi exodus (moving to warm spain when the pension starts running) has not even began yet.
>>539167124you're fucking retarded.capitalism is as an idea, private property and free exchangesocialism is, also as a concept, a centrally managed economy with no capitalists, in which the government dictates production and redistribution, in representation of the workersboth of those can be corrupted and then the people in power would use force to keep resources and money to themselves. so by your definition of capitalism, socialism is literally the same, and every political system is also the sameyou are a retard, once again i underestimated the complexity of what i was saying, and was met with the harsh reality of how frustratingly stupid the average person can be, the result:>I will leave your weird attempt at logic uncommented.aka>too low IQ to follow logic with more than one reasoning step>this makes no sense! it's a lie! you're weird!
>>539167669This is not about capitaliam or socialism, but about kalewis, you will soon meet them en masse
>>539167656dude i dont fucking care, i dont know if this is supposed to make me angry or somethinghome values are kept high because the government does this to protect homeowners net worth and landlords, therefore, as its a politically imposed thing, the market does not really matter. so i really dont care about finnish people buying homes hereyes, despite the low supply and sellers market for homes in spain, its still cheap to finnish people. because market prices work just like bidding, and everyone in spain is poor, so our high price is cheap to you, as we are worthless, low IQ, socialist losers with a deeply corrupted government and culture. yes that's true so? what am i supposed to say?
>>539167124what video for lulzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Q1zl4ZAmsThe reason why the people who splurt the word capitalism don't understand anything about the world and are the most unsuited to lead positions of power is exactly that they keep addressing as "capitalism" mechanisms of human civilization and behavior that are normal and bound to happen regardless of what system is in place.As such, when the people splurting the world capitalism out of their mouths seize power, not only do all the bad things happening under capitalism keep happening, but things get even worse. Hence why they are contrasted.
>>539167789the pic i posted is only an example, they just destroyed 200 homes just in that areabut somehow you keep posting about "kalewis" as if i will seethe or something, third comment about that from you btwwe could just buy more homes if more people want a home, that's how the free market works. but it doesnt work that way due to corruption, so the problem is the corruption
>>539167957>we could just buy more homes if more people want a homei meant "build"
>>539167852You just better learn some finnish already. You WILL serve the finnish kalewis and be happy that they buy your houses. That is just how the future will be, nothing personal, and absolutely nothing to do with capitalism or socialism (you some underage kiddo who still thinks those are even relevant ideologies these days...)
>>539166712hahahahahahahahaha you really think capitalism is free market trade hahahahahaha holy shit dudeHere's a hint: Capitalism only exists because of the corporate form. Corporations are entities created and regulated by the state. As for "what is socialism" perhaps a good place to start would be understanding what capitalism actually is before assigning meaning to something that isn't capitalism
>>539167957You are beyond salvation mate. Just enjoy the kalewis, that is the only relevant advice that can be given to you at this point.
>>539168156you are an NPCok lets refer to political systems by what they become with decades of corruption and low IQ instead of what they are supposed to be:capitalism: government and its elite of well connected friends take people's money by forcesocialism: literally the same thingget it idiot?
>>539165946>Why are businesses not building more homes anyway? Don't they see that anyone building a home with this prices would make a big profit?Existing houses will lose their value and boomers have more political influence than the younger and browner generations.That's why. TBD and we can start rebuilding.
>>539168443Kalewis don't care about your babybabblings, they just tell you to get back work and serve them. The steak does not cook itself no matter what ideologies for peasants you subscribe to, if you catch my drift.
>>539168580based
>>539167464>>no one can afford a home>builds a home on non registered lot to commit tax fraud>gets caught>starts to crykek
>>539168709what a useless fucking imbecileit was impossible for this guy to build a home, if he could've paid some kind of tax, fee, or bribe, he probably would have, but there was no way, for him, the 200 families whose homes they demolished this month just in that town, or the thousands all over spain, there's no option to pay a tax, they want to protect landlord income and home values, and they inconditionally demolish the homes, or send the owners to prison if they refuse to evacuate
Gotta make room for the data centers that everyone else pays for except the data company
By the way just as a note. This is not something most poeple in Spain talk about, or part of political debate.There's minor news about this and some people see them, but like I've been saying for a while, NPCs only respond to immediate stimuli, only see what's right in front of them. There is no clear stimuli here telling them "this is why homes are expensive", so they don't know that the two are correlated. They just see a home being demolished and they think "oh i feel for the owner i guess" or "he must've done something illegal" (depending on how its presented to them, the stimuli can be completely different), and do not think beyond that.I'm saying this because this is actually very minor news. If some lurkers are thinking "oh i guess spain really is a 3rd world shithole, this is not happening here and homes are still expensive", it probably is happening in your country but its not big news.
>>539168825>it was impossible for this guy to build a homebut he build a homei know its a thing in spain to buy agracultural land, claim EU gibs and build a house on it without a permit.so fuck you
>>539165946Nigger without the enforcement of building code laws spain would resemble Africa in no time at all. You want to go be a nigger and live in a hut, then go to Africa where there are no building codes.
>>539169103i mean LEGALLY you absolute dense useless imbecile!! should be obvious>i know its a thing in spain to buy agracultural land, claim EU gibs and build a house on it without a permit.oh no we're building homes for ourselves without paperwork in order!! that's so ruthless and evil!
>>539168999Spain people are clueless on things that actually matter, they don't even know about kalewis.
>>539169180>then go to Africa where there are no building codesthere's a problem with that, there's also black people
>>539168580House prices will continue to increase as long as immigration continues. You like OP don't understand the fundamental problem is immigration. Most countries in Europe have little to no population growth and therefore all or nearly all population growth and therefore housing demand is driven by immigration. Regulations are literally not the problem. In my own nation we have had record high historical house building rates all to build housing for immigrants (as like Europe our population is not increasing naturally) and still it lags behind the rate of immigration and a housing affordability crisis has developed. You can wreck your nation and quality of life building homes for migrants or you can just stop the migrants coming.
>>539165946Based I wish we had a functioning government that did the same in Belgrade
>>539169180also now as a serious response. there's building code laws and there's intentionally withholding licenses just to protect landlords. which one do you think it is when housing prices are through the roofs and politicians publicly admit to do it on purpose for boomers?they demolished 200 homes recently just in that town btw
>>539165946So some entitled cunt broke the law hoping to profit and got caught. So what?
>>539166533>Capitalism is when the government does stuff>We therefore need more government to stop the capitalism
>>539169304immigration of course increases demand but its short sighted as fuck to see them as the fundamental source of the problemtherefore it doesnt surprise me that conservatives do. while leftists blame investors. kek most people are so fucking retarded.
>>539169409>hoping to profithoping to have a home to live, which was demolished in order to protect landlords
>>539169304Yeah, fair point.Double whammy really, build no new houses and import people. Some shitty boomer shack is worth millions now.
>>539169198mbumbo, I don't think you get it yet.In your case, a guy built a house illegally, without outside financing from a bank, because they would never have given him the loan without a building permit.So he had enough money in his bank account to build a whole house—or, as I suspect, he got the money under the table from drug dea
>>539166712>Real capitalism is private property and free exNo it's not you fucking retard. Literal look at the name capital means money. Capitalism literally translates to rule by money. Fucking idiot cannot even break down a word. Capitalists abuse private property rights to buy all land force you to pay them endless rents with zero chance you will ever own anything your. But they will always dangle home ownership in front of you like a carrot on a stick to keep you slaving away for them endlessly. Then they use "voluntary exchange" part to make it all seem peaceful when there is nothing peaceful about it.
>>539167483>Capitalism is when the government imports people>We therefore need more government to stop the government from importing people
>>539165946In the states they just ask you to demo the structure and of you don't you get fined absurd quantities of money per day the structure stays up, and then you get dragged to court if you don't comply with payments or the demolition, and THEN you can go to jail. It's unlikely you will actually go to prison, bit you can never sell your own property because they will put a lien on it and as soon as it's sold, confiscate the money you owe.Whole thing is fucking retarded.I have known guys to tell the cops to fuck off and get left alone though.Seems pretty fucking arbitrary.
>>539168156>Capitalism is when the government controls corporations>we therefore need more government to stop the government from controlling corporations
>>539169477>does not know about kalewis>calls others retardedYou can't make this stuff up, hilarious
>>539165946>the housing problem in Spain is DIRE. People can't afford a homeWhat do you do for work? How much savings do you have? I'm pretty sure there's plenty of cheap homes in Spain. Tell us where you are currently and I'll see if I can find some listings that fit your budget.
>>539169477>immigration of course increases demand but its short sighted as fuck to see them as the fundamental source of the problemHow? It is simple supply and demand. When there is no natural population growth like here or Europe all demand for new housing is driven by immigration. If not for immigration there is literally no new demand beyond replacing old hoising stock and house prices would be falling. As one can see where a nation's population is declining, like Japan, house prices are stagnant or declining. It is literal insanity to see it as anything but a problem caused by immigration.
>>539169525>evading taxes means you're a drug dealer>building a home without paperwork in order and a loan from the bank is wrongyou're so fucking retarded jfl>>539169548>Literal look at the name capital means money. Capitalism literally translates to rule by money.KeKYou have very bad reasoning abilities if you think someone without the monopoly on violence could possibly create this housing shortage, or that landlords did it by "buying all the land" kek
>>539165946Bump
>>539169789>evading taxes so long that you can pay a house in cash>its just hard workkek, you are brown
>>539169548>Capitalism is when the government stops ordinary citizens from owning property and building homes on whatever property they own>we therefore need more government to control all property so that everyone is forced to rent from the government
>>539169789Your babybabblings are fun, gotta give you that, but kalewis won't be impressed if they don't get perfect service
>>539169514>Double whammy really, build no new houses and import people. Some shitty boomer shack is worth millions now.But new houses are built and in massive numbers. Spain builds hundreds of thousands of new homes per year. We in New Zealand have some of the highest rate of new home building in the world and housing is still unaffordable. The rate migration into western nations is so high right now the rate of new house builds required to keep home prices from increasing would be insane. We don't need to ruin our cities, ruin our countryside, erode our regulations, and lower our quality of life for the sake of maintaining this policy of mass immigration.
>>539170058damn i better get their steak right then
>>539170115This kiwi knows whats up, the spaincuck is so fucking clueless about reality
>>539170216Now we are talking. Kalewis are seething here because young folks here don't want to service them for pennies, and that is one big reason they are going to spain. To be treated like royals.
>>539169782because supply and demand at one particular point in time is a meme in terms of analysis of economics, and doesnt even matterthe underlying dynamics that affect supply and demand over time are what matterslets look at themsupply:>SHOULD increase the higher home price is, as people building homes would make a bigger profit (this balancing mechanism is key in everything people need to buy, btw)>currently impeded by corrupt officialsdemand:>increases if either there's more people living in an area or less people living in each home>increases due to immigration>would increase also if birth rates were higherbetween the fundamental dysfunction and corruption that impedes supply increase here, and immigration, one is just a circumstance, and would be the same is we had no immigration but a high birth rate anyway, and the other is a real problem, get it?
>>539170443He’s a socialist. Of course he doesn’t get it and never will.
>>539170443https://www.thinkspain.com/property-for-sale?tags=cheapThere's homes here starting at 45K euro-bux. What do you do for work and how much savings do you have? What price point are you shopping for?
>>539169747Fuck off kike
>>539165946>What could by the root of this?jews
>>539169304Maybe in Kiwiland, but here in America at least immigration is far from the only issue with housing. I find this kind of>back on the narrative from every issue!rhetoric really annoying from mainstream media, hate seeing it from /pol/.
There needs to be a rule of law. He builds a house on his land without planning, OK. Then someone else builds a few houses on their land without planning. Then someone else builds an apartment block on their land without planning. Now every field is full of these hastily built shitblocks with no services, as far as the eye can see. Where was the line? They let the first guy build. Why should the second guy not build? If the second guy could build, why not the third? If those guys can build, why not a company, why not Blackrock, paving the entire countryside and filling it with garbage favelas for €3000 a month?
>>539171292Shut the fuck up kike, your "rule of law" only seems to harm us
>>539170443Spain has over 300,000 thousand new houses consented per year and perhaps only 180,000 thousand built. So your regulators are allowing more housing than your construction sector is keeping up with. You'd need 500,000 new houses per year to keep up with immigration. A truly huge number. It's the same pattern here. The problem is not that new houses are held back by regulations (we are constantly cutting regulations to the detriment of our living conditions) rather it is physically enormous feat to build that many homes.You don't consider the economic effects of bending that much of your economy to building homes. You can't export homes. Construction is in the non-tradeable sector. You already employ 3% of your population in construction (in NZ it's over 5%). There is enormous opportunity cost to bending so much of your economy to the construction of homes when could be put to productive tradeable businesses and you do it all for the sake of maintaining your current immigration rates.
>>539171383It seems that way because it protects you from things, thus you cannot see the things from which it protects you. This is what a place without enforced zoning and planning laws looks like. You people are animals and you need to be controlled like animals.
>>539171227What do you suppose your biggest obstacle is between you and home ownership? Let's try to brainstorm a series of real world actions you can take to overcome that hurdle.
>>539171544>What do you suppose your biggest obstacle is between you and home ownership?Kikes and their mercenaries.
>>539171257>>539171257>Maybe in Kiwiland, but here in America at least immigration is far from the only issue with housing.Maybe not the only issue but ask yourself how much less of an issue would the US have if it hadn't had to homes for 37 million immigrants since the turn of the millennium.>rhetoric really annoying from mainstream media, hate seeing it from /pol/.I understand the sentiment but when it comes to housing in western nations the problem really is nearly all because of immigration.
>>539171494Guarantee me a wife and maybe I'll consider following your bullshit rules.
>>539165946>living with their parents because what can they do?Exactly.Adults living with their parents are actually doing society a favor because it puts part of the "punishment" on the boomers.>boomers assumed they'd have an empty house>instead they've got sons and daughters in their 30s and 40s still living thereEvery generation is suffering from the poor choices of previous generations, so might as well put pressure on the older generations to support policies that help their children instead of doing the typical boomer thing and only voting for things that help boomers at everyone else's expense
>>539171165that website is already for foreigners looking to buy homes here, i can find one for much cheaper, or even for free, but that is not the concerning matter here
>>539171257What are the issues, then? Lack of supply? Exacerbated by increasing demand. What else is there? Interest rates? They've been picking up the last couple fo years due to wars, but they were almost 0 up to 2015.
>>539171622Wow, that's tough. Are those jewish mercenaries holding everybody else back from home ownership or just you? Is there any real world action you can think to do that would help you get into home ownership or have you completely given up trying?
>>539172007My best chance is to get some other guys on my side, we band together, and take the land by force killing all ZOGmercs who stand in our way.
>>539172007this is so fucking tiresome, every time a social problem is discussed on /pol/, idiots come up with arguments like>have you considered that you're a loser if you're affected by this?ok then i guess everything was great in north korea in the 90s or china with the famines, because you were just a loser if you were not a regime official
>>539171960So you can find a home for even less than 45K euro bucks, but:>>539165946>People can't afford a home,Sounds like a skill issue.>>539171913>I'm an unemployed and unemployable broke virgin living with mommy because of people born in the 1940s.That's the only possible explanation.
>>539172100OK, so you can't even get your shit together enough to hold a job and don't even have the balls to talk to a woman IRL, but you're going to become a raider warlord and take what's owed to you by force?I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that you're not going to do shit but whinge on social media.
>>539172156>this is so fucking tiresome, every time a social problem is discussed on /pol/Every time a "social problem" is discussed it's by some low-agency loser who has no skills, no job, and has never even participated in their real life. This is why nobody takes you seriously, and also why you never seem to accomplish anything.
>>539165946>Why are businesses not building more homes anyway?because your fiat currency will collapse1) jew prints fake money2) there is nowhere to invest, everything is scam3) money are invested into rentals4) you need 1 goy without property to rent property to be profitable5) if you cant buy rental property or land you buy gold 6) if all those printed fiat shit is redirected from housing market to gold fiat will collapse in next turnsthats why ZOG guards all those regulations, the root cause is fiat money
>>539172296You're a scared little kike who couldn't fight to save your life. The chickens are coming home to roost and your bullshit freemasonic system is coming to an end.
>>539171402How did you get those amounts?>Spain has over 300,000 thousand new houses consented per year and perhaps only 180,000 thousand builtAnyway, this still wouldn't logically prove that licenses are not holding back housing construction. Regulators may be allowing some construction that doesn't actually go through, and restricting construction that would otherwise go through.There's also more regulations than you may think. Sometimes they stop construction projects halfway through because some government official found out a part of the paperwork wasn't quite right, or something, or a permit is revoked. Even if a building company owns land where officials said home building is allowed, it still takes them over 10 years to get all paperwork in order to be able to start.>You don't consider the economic effects of bending that much of your economy to building homes. You can't export homes. Construction is in the non-tradeable sector. You already employ 3% of your population in construction (in NZ it's over 5%). There is enormous opportunity cost to bending so much of your economy to the construction of homes when could be put to productive tradeable businesses and you do it all for the sake of maintaining your current immigration rates.What people need literally defines what is productive. If you think people doing business need constraints and rules from experts in order to not invest their money poorly and lose it, then a dire crisis and scarcity is what happens.
>>539172238Different areas have different prices you fucking retard.>>539172381You're an insufferable redditor piece of shit, first turning a thread about a social problem into>heh skill issue for not being sheltered from thisalso telling the other anon>let's brainstorm about your life!as if you know better than himand for some reason, when you don't know anything about someone's life, your first assumption is that they never talked to a woman, never had a job or can't hold one, and has no skills. ask yourself why, when you don't know about someone, you initially assume those things.why dont you just stick to reddit? you probably get plenty of updoots by being this insufferable
>>539165946Pajeets do this shit in Canada. 20 of them pool their money, buy a house in the suburbs and build a shed in the back for uncle and auntie while making the grandparents live in the garage. Anytime I see the windows of a garage door covered with a tarp I call the bylaw and police and report them for elder abuse. Usually results in someone getting deported because they overstayed their visa
>>539172551>You're a scared little kike who couldn't fight to save your life.And you're a man of action, that's why you're sitting in mommy's council house raging at social media right now.>>539172821>Different areas have different pricesOK. So you can either, figure out a way to get enough money to live in an expensive home, figure out what you actually can afford, and buy it, or sit on social media and bitch about "the system". Which one of those is most likely to get you into home ownership in the future?>as if you know better than himPerhaps not, but I've seen a vagina IRL and own a home and some land. >>539172821>and for some reason, when you don't know anything about someone's life, your first assumption is that they never talked to a woman, never had a job or can't hold one, and has no skills. ask yourself whyBecause of posts like these:>>539172100>>539171865But I'll bite, how do you read that? What do you do for work? Did you build your own home or buy one?
>>539166849That's why I love you motherfuckers, mi amigo. A Mexican family would've had that house rebuilt by fucking Sunday afternoon after pounding down some Coronas and some tacos al pastor.
