im sorry but how is Juche not just National Socialism?if a Juche equivalent were practiced in a white, European state, it’d be considered fascist at least
>>539169529Bump
>>539169529I wish we adopted Juche.Just imagine... Best Germany!It's possible.
>>539169529Juche is national socialism. They are a homogenous race and work towards a singular goal for the betterment of the state. And have big tiddy.
>>539169529.The thing about Juche is worshipping a leftoid.It's at the most classified dictatorial, not fascistic, this goes for all sides who go all out Dictator.One another note are you saying everyone who becomes an authoritarian is a fascist? If that's the case, then no, that's not it.Fascist putting a fascist figure as a god figure is fascist.An imperialist putting the emperor as a god figure is imperialist.
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>>539169529because it's the same old confucian brand of feudalism they did in joseon except with kim dynasty
It technically is if by national socialism you mean it in the same sense as the communist manifesto. It obviously isn’t if you mean it in Hitler’s sense which is that capitalism is retained and Lebensraum is integral to the ideology
>>539169529Facism, National Socialism and Juche are all just cults of personality.So yes, they are all the same.
>>539169962no, i’m saying that the core principles of Juche (extreme collectivism, xenophobia, race-based citizenship, hard-lines on what is considered morally or culturally degenerate, the state = the people, militarism, extreme chauvinism, pride in their history, etc.) are shared with national socialism. yes, they have a monarch and ultra totalitarian rule which are not essential for a fascist state, but those other key features are shared less with individuals like Marx and more with those like Rudolf Jung
It isn’t. It’s a similar reason as to why many national socialists admire Stalin. trannies are usually retarded but there is some truth to the horseshoe theory. you find me a communist who hates degeneracy as much as he hates capitalism and he’ll sound almost the same as me
>>539169529yes, its the same because they have military parades.ignore the laws and Citizens' Property Rights in both countries>539169877yes, imagine your neetass in forced labor campit would be mindblowing
Read it. It’s good.
>>539170181>the core principles of Juche (extreme collectivism, xenophobia, race-based citizenship, hard-lines on what is considered morally or culturally degenerate, the state = the people, militarism, extreme chauvinism, pride in their history, etc.) are shared with national socialism.You sound like a beefsteak, and I hopefully think that you are NOT saying this in bad faith, or that you are a Rohmian or beefsteak.Adolf Hitler is opposed to collectivism, if I can put it on simpler terms, if collectivism is a thing, then "The product" is no longer "a product of the individual brain," (as said by Adolt Hitler) but owned by everyone who did not even make it.National Socialist-approved form of individualism is still respected, so this contradicts the ideology itself.So JUCHE is completely not considered fascist.
>>539170352White Socialists don’t necessarily admire Stalin. They merely point out that Stalin unified a nation, and point out the tragedy of Hitler and the NSDAP not being privy to the internal affairs of the NKVD during the 1930s.Himmlers most successful propaganda was his crusade against Judeo-Bolshevism. He identified (correctly) that the early Soviet Union was dominated by Jews, and that Jewish cruelty an existential threat to German peoples in Europe.He did not know that Stalin had purged Jews from the NKVD in 35-36.
>>539169529>if a Juche equivalent were practiced in a white, European state, it’d be considered fascist at leastYes it was called Eastern bloc
>>539169529Its a form of Marxist-Leninism and bases its theoretical foundation on that. They frame themselves as part of the leftist tradition
>>539170589Where can I download this? There's only one magnet and zero seeders on TPB.
>>539170784i’m not saying it’s a perfect 1:1, my argument is that Juche SHARES more in common with fascists and national socialists than it does with marxists or maoists. >collectivismHitler didn’t “oppose” it, he opposed the communist idea of collectivism. His view was that the Germanic people were ONE large body which was sick and needed to be cleansed and perfected. Sure, he respected individual rights far more than the Kim dynasty does, but writers like Rudolf Jung (a guiding national socialist thinker under Hitler) were far more collectivist in their stances on what national socialism ideally looks like
SADLYThe real truth is that the DPRK is a Chinese satellite, similar to Belarus and Russia. However, Xi and Putin seem happy with protecting the racial integrity of their satellites.
>>539171063Gotta go to Korea and find the guy who wrote it. He’s usually balls deep in some gook bitch.
>>539171153>respect the racial integrity of their satellitessay what you will, but i don’t think the Norks would allow China to dictate their racial demographic makeup
>>539171042>They frame themselves as part of the leftist traditionsure, but by that same metric, Botswana and Denmark both claim to follow the liberal democratic tradition. does this mean they have anything in common?
>>539170352>you find me a communist who hates degeneracy as much as he hates capitalism and he’ll sound almost the same as methat's any non-trotskyist communist (so every communist not in the american continent)
>>539171219China does not want to drastically alter DPRK racial makeup. The most common “cultural exchange program” on their borders are North Korean women fleeing, becoming prostitutes for a short time, and then eventually marrying and settling in an adjacent border town. It’s a place (You) can’t ever visit. So the North Korean genes trickle into China, not the other way around.
>>539170123According to Myers (American researcher who was the first to look into the North Korean racial beliefs) they're more like a Korean version of Japanese showa fascism
>>539170352>It’s a similar reason as to why many national socialists admire StalinRetard. NatSocs hate Stalin, whoever says otherwise is larping.
>>539171137.I'd solely not suggest this, regardless this would be a political cultural disaster making things harder for genuine Far Right Fascist people to filter people to prevent groyper infiltrators.I'd say, don't touch the Juche subject, it might sound similar, but it's twisted, and off my principle. This is like playing a dangerous game.
>>539171153China opposed Tamil insurgents and gave aid against them whereas NK trained them and gave them money and weapons
>>539171397i would consider cultural and historic erasure, alongside muh peasant worship, to be degenerate as well. Maoists and traditional MLs are just as, if not MORE degenerate than trots
>>539171137>His view was that the Germanic people were ONE large body which was sick and needed to be cleansed and perfected.Which is called vitalism, and both communism and Juche are opposed to it.
>>539170352Slavic nationalists tend to like Stalin.>Rodacy Kamraci declare themselves Stalinists, and expressed admiration for the NKVD Commissar Ivan Serov. Olszański claimed that he joined the Motorized Reserves of the Citizens' Militia (ZOMO, communist paramilitary police) in 1980 and beat the anti-communist protesters from Workers' Defence Committee in defense of Polish nationalism. He stated that he takes pride in the possibility of having personally beat up Tadeusz Mazowiecki, the first prime minister of post-communist Poland. He claimed that he joined ZOMO specifically to maintain the communist rule in Poland, and glorified the Polish People's Republic. Olszański made Bogdan Poręba , a prominent member of the Endocommunist Patriotic Union Grunwald as well as Albin Siwak, a national communist who considered the anti-communist opposition in Poland a Jewish conspiracy, frequent guests during his streams. He also declared his support for the leader of North Korea Kim Jong Un and has praised the Red Army,calling them the liberators of Poland.>Olszański stated:>Poles, poisoned by Americanism and a sense of invincibility — believing that the Virgin Mary will save them from everything — think they’re players in the game [of the Western powers], but we’re just cannon fodder. Piasecki knew this; he said that we Poles truly love the Soviet Union. I love it too. Really. I’m not being cynical.
>>539171590>Juche is opposed to itmaybe on paper, but see >>539170589 and consider that a guiding principle of modern North Korea is that the people of the country are MORALLY and CULTURALLY superior to all other peoples, including their brothers to the south. “Juche” itself literally means “self-reliance” which exemplifies the very point i’m making. North Korea persists because the people view themselves as a sort of ascended people who have, through both spiritual and moral senses, risen above the rest of the world in the society they have built
And Juche doesn't share "far more" in common with NS than Maoism. Juche literally *is* Maoism with it's own Korean characteristic but you're a superficial retard. NS and Juche operate on opposite frameworks for permitting it's own existence, as Juche is strictly Marxist and worker-oriented, and National-Socialism is Nordicist and Nietzsche-derivative.
>>539171527every one of your replies makes you look retarded as fuck kek
>>539170589Even better than his read on NK society is his critique of the American "expert" class.You had a bunch of NK experts who couldn't even talk Korean and didn't bother to read NKs internal press.
>>539171786No you're just being obtuse and you see what you want to see. Every autarkic dictatorship is fascism. Maybe if you're a nigger.
>>539171795>Nietzsche Juche, by definition, certainly seems very similar to Nietzsche’s “will to power”. How is the Kim dynasty not the greatest living example of a Nietzschean superman?
>>539171795>populism, herdism and burning art and books that conflict with common morality and decency, is Nietzschean
>>539171858if you had read my other replies, you would see that i explicitly stated the North Korean ultra-totalitarianism is among their LEAST common attributes with national socialism
>>539171881Is Kony Nietzschean? No. "Doing things" doesn't automatically equate "Will to power". That's besides my point anyway as my point was that Juche and SS operate within opposite frameworks of justifying itself. And have different goals.
>>539172048>Juche and SSJuche and NS*
>>539172043Which only proves to me further that you don't know anything because trying to dilute the definition of fascism is as close one can get to equating it to Juche.
>>539172048>Konyno, because he failed to ever achieve any semblance of true power and fled into hiding. he has no overarching goals and is a religiouscuck. >goalshow do their goals differ? north korea is a) expansionist b) explicitly seeking the “liberation” from degeneracy and betterment of life for Koreans only, and c) not internationalist
>>539171795Nietzsche has little to do with NS beyond the idea that will shapes the world
>>539172214So you unironically, genuinely, in good faith believe that being a left-nationalist is equal to Adolf Hitler's ideology?
>>539172477i never said thati’m saying the material and ideological reality behind Juche is far more similar to National Socialism than it is to any forms of Marxism/Communist-adjacent ideals
You just asked me how do the goals of National-Socialism and Juche differ and you expect to be treated as someone serious who's point I'm supposed to challenge intellectually.
>>539172541>>539172541>i never said thatYou just did. Why are you goal posting?
>be North Korea in the 90s>run out of food>start having a famine>have China for an ally>have a famine anyway
>>539169529It is, but people are too distracted by inane appearances
I've literally gave you all the information you need btw. Juche and NS operate on separate, and opposite frameworks, as Juche is strictly Marxist and follows a Marxist-Maoist theory of world history, whereas NS has its own version of world history where genetic race and biology is acknowledged as the main driver of events. National-Socialism opposes materialistic Marxism and you can cope and whine but there's nothing that will make Juche compatible with National-Socialism, and if you had Jucheists in 1930s Germany Hitler would recognize them as communists/beefsteaks and fucking beat them up.
>>539172549>who’swhose*
>>539172585My favorite part was when the famine got so bad even the United States started sending food aid to North Korea, and they accepted it :D:DD
>>539169529Its a twisted totalitarian absolute monarchy with an almost pseudo-religious touch. Like a maximum manifestation of tyranny. It doesnt have an ideological foundation like communism or fascism since the final goal is maximum subservience to the leader, which is also present in the others but not at this extent. Theres no grand goal of some kind of international revolution or the betterment of life conditions of its people through supremacist action. Its a simple "I rule, you serve" mentality. Its prolly the worst regime in existence and it only endures due to the protection of China and Russia because they need a buffer between them and Western allies.
>>539174141*Note that they may claim communist goals (obviously) but what they say is different of what they enforce.
>>539174141Read on Japanese showa fascism and you'll understand.The first North Koreans came straight from Japanese military schools in Korea.It's the same ideology of emperor above everything and pure virtuous country folded 1000 times
>>539169529Juche ideology is best ideology
>>539174141Then why do they have a higher birth rate and lower suicide rate then South Korea?Because they are happier. South Korea is the real dystopia. South Korean students kill themselves because they aren't allowed to have childhoods and have to study constantly for a shot at the few jobs at the capitalist cartel jobs. South Koreans don't get married because their women have been poisoned by Western feminism. South Koreans all get plastic surgery because capitalist kpop industry slaves have convinced them that they're ugly and must compete by letting capitalists cut off their faces. Truly a sick and dystopian society, one of the worst on Earth.
>>539174836>Then why do they have a higher birth rate and lower suicide rate then South Korea?Because when you're poor you don't have time to ponder the intrinsics of existence
>>539169529As soon as north korea falls theyre going to be bigger BWC addicts than the south, theyre the same culture
>>539174987isnt that a good thing? does the average normie have any need for “pondering”? no, the only things that come from the layman having the luxury of boredom is decadence and homosexuality
>>539174987Then why Mormons have high natality? That's because it isn't about wealth as much as it is about meaning.With North Koreans is the opposite. Famine caused low natality and their population is bound to grow with the economy because the country works like a sect
>>539169529Again, you have to suffer the sanction from kikes, which is why the kikes don't bother them, but they're piss poor.
>>539169983>there will never be a Korean matriarchy where the women dominate and subjugate all men for their sexual pleasurewhy live
>>539170589Always found it jarring how peoples assume everything said about North Korea is factual, because any digging into the subject make it obvious South Korea is an occupation government which entire power structure depend on the current status quo, and how silent is the west on the provocation fone by SK which is blatantly belligerent at times, like when they passed the border to cut tree lines to give SK better sight of NK border bunkers. Like imagine Canada military going in Vermont and cutting forests so its easier to aim at border patrols, shit would be an international scandal instantly. Also SK situation is distopian as fuck, with corporations holding way too much power over society as a whole (iirc samsung alone amount to 20% of SK gdp, which influence the entire education apparatus as it is reformed byblobbyist to befit the corporation needs), I mean fuck even the contract laws allow for quasi slavery to happens like how it is with k-pop stars. And lets not even get into the cult shit which was basically Eyes Wide Shut: Korean boogaloo.
>>539175393Kikes been seething against NK ever since Kim (the current one) voided the uranium deal they had with Israel, as they were one of the few nation in the world they could buy uranium from for armament legally, since they both weren't part of the Anti-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty. Its why there was a downtake in anti nk progapanda when Kim got into power, but got jacked up afterward when he told them to fuck off.
>>539169529juche is for the most part national socialism. only difference is justification for juche is built in large part on anti-colonial sentiments. juche does in fact see koreans though as pure blood superiors though btw
>>539169529A lot of socialist movements are "its not fascism if a nonwhite person does it" there's more to it than that but that's the point.
>>539174987when you're breaking your back 12 hours a day in the sun on a rice paddy, you have many more concerns than suicide, ironically. also, north korea could be much much wealthier if the regime wanted. they want to develop, but only slowly. they want to keep people in large groups working with their hands on the rice paddies to feed themselves to create sense of collectivization and to also keep them tired
>>539176578yeah south korea and north korea are both their own type of dystopias. and you can't believe what western media says about north korea is actually true. i don't think it's some type of juche utopia over there of course kek. it probably sucks for 90% of the population. but it may not be as extreme as neomi park wants you to believe
I’m just going to leaf this here
>>539178587Many of the stories we're told about them are holocaust tier if you think about it>some general fell asleep during kim's speech so he was executed with a cannon Tom and jerry bullshit
