Be honest, do they have any chance of winning left?
>>539193017Russia's the one that can't keep Ukrainian drones from striking Moscow. If anyone's actively losing the war, it's Putin.
>>539193017they seem to be holding onbut seriously they're so fucking reddit i hope they're genocided
uh winning outright idk but they definitely have potential to keep bleeding russia as long as the gravy train keeps running for a few more years
>>539193017The clear winner is Europe and the US because Russia’s army and international standing is weakened at the cost of a few million Banderite Nazis that Liberals wouldn’t have allowed into NATO/ the EU anyways. Completely expendable idiots for Washington DC
No, they never did.The only thing they could have hoped for is hurting Russia enough that NATO could destroy it.Their ultra-nationalists were fine with extinction in exchange for this.The Jews in charge are happy to profit.And nobody cares what, if anything, Ukrainians think.
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>>539193017By their own definition, recovering all the lost territories? About the same chance as conquering Moscow.
>>539193017Winning what exactly? Keeping their land under the control of a dictator installed by the Jewish Mafia and the CIA?
>>539193193>winner is Europe and the US>expendable idiots for WashingtonThe latter includes Europe in general, so scratch that. There's not a single positive thing Europe could hope to gain from this or will gain.It was purely a US operation, and that operation is already over.>they wonFirst war in a long time the USA unequivocally won.
>>539193017This shit is still going on? No, they're fucked. If the US wasn't sending them hardware the war would have been over very quickly. Wars are not fought through "eh, this is boring, let's back it up, boys", they're fought through breaking lines and taking key locations. They would have to invade to at least Moscow before Putin even considers surrendering.
Define winningWill they completely expell Russia? NoWill Russia completely overrun the entire country and assimilate the population? NoMy prediction is that the war will eventually reach a stalemate. The Russians dont try to advance any further as doing so becomes too grinding. Likewise the Ukranians cant break the frontline with their catastrophic lack of manpower.Eventually both sides agree to a ceasefire.Ceasefire turns into an permanent uneasy stand-off with sporadic light skirmishes, similar to N.Korea and S.Korea. This will last for about 50 years or so until they finally sign an official peace agreement, recognizing the frontline as the new borders.During this time Ukraine will have gone through some backdoor integration with the EU.
>>539193017They already lost a generation of men. There's no coming back from this.
>>539193997That's... actually the most realistic take I've heard since the war began.
define what win means first
>>539193997>Will Russia completely overrun the entire country and assimilate the population?I mean how stupid do you expect Russians to be? Obviously that's not what they're going to attempt, and probably didn't even contemplate, although turning the thing (back) into a proxy certainly was on the table, I imagine.Mainly the question what happens when the Ukraine military actually becomes ineffective for lack of manpower and systems.>less so when that happensOverall it seems obvious Russia would hope to annex all the Russian parts of Ukraine, the most distant of which is Odessa; they already got 80% of the rest.Realistically speaking however, if the Ukraine keeps getting ruled by the hyhylians they'll need some kind of defensible border or buffer; so I wouldn't be surprised if they move towards the Dnieper when given the chance - they might even trade Odessa for stuff east of the Dnieper.Something along those lines I expect their endgame to be.>get most of the Ukraine east of the Dnieper>or restore most of Novorossiya (plus some convenient bits to make a better border)No way they'd want the western parts literally IN Russia. Demilitarized buffer/proxy state, sure, but even they join the EU/NATO (in a couple decades or centuries maybe once/if they recover) that shouldn't be a major issue.
>>539193078>>539193017>Be honest, do they have any chance of winning left?lmao they have fucking zero chance. NOTHING is ever bringing back "the 1991 borders" or MTV Crimean spring break beach bash™I would truly love to know what the average ukrainain thinks is a legitimately achievable goal 5 years into this war...like what does the ukraine ACTUALLY think is going to happen now..?ukrainians cant seriously believe they will ever reconquor the 1991 borders...do they?surely...ukrainians dont still believe dogshit like the big 'crimean beach party' are just an offensive or 2 away...what is (seriously) ukraines 'win condition'? what do they think the end of this war looks like for them?>"the death of Putin!">"the collapse of "Putins regime!"Russia is never going to "just go away!" its not going to happen. not ever..what do 'ukro-nationalists' think the end of this war will be?nato utterly expended itself..it has nothing left to send, no wunderwaffe, no magic weapons, no alien tech nothing... if anything nato itself has no answer to simple fucking drones....so how could they possibly have some grand-strategy for 'defeating Russia' on Russian soil? I am completely lost as to what ukraine/nato realistically hopes to achieve..they cant seriously believe they will instigate a coup in Russia still.. do they....?do ukrainians seriously believe their male population is worth -3.5% on Gazproms Q3 profit report..?
>>539193017After Zelensky dumped Federov despite knowing that doing so would prolong the war and make it harder to fight corruption, their chances of winning are greatly diminished. Zelensky either unintentionally fucked up royally or he intentionally fucked things up to keep the war going right when Ukraine was turning the tide.
>>539194527It's hard to speculate what exactly the war aims of Russia are. The initial invasion was simply to take down the government, replace is with a pro-Russian government, and bring the entire country back into the fold. A Prague Spring 2.0When that failed, it's likely that the Russians has simply accepted the fact that Ukraine is now forever a lost cause for the Russian geopolitical sphere, so if Ukraine is to join the west permanently, then it's better to cripple it as far as it is able.
>>539193017they will get the Russia-free paradise they wanted, it'll just be about 33% smaller and full of Indians and Turks.
>>539193078absolutely nothing of what you said will ever restore a single square foot of the 1991 borders, Crimea, or bring back the 2.5+ million ukroids who died for absolutely nothing at best, or land "ukraine didnt even want anywy" at worstukraine is the dumbest euro /k/ike nation to ever become a nato-puppet>>539193187To what end?what good does "bleeding Russia" do for the average ukrainian who WILL lose their life meaninglessly to some vague idea of "hurting Putins regime"?how could this possibly be worth the male population of ukraine.in the end, Russia will come out stronger than ever (as it always does in wars like this) so it begs the question "WHY?" does ukraine continue this obviously lost war?
Ukrop men are dead. Ukrop women are breeder cows for anyone that catches them.A whole generation of children has Ukrainian mothers and non-Ukrainian fathers now.The same could be said on the Russian side.No country involved in this war won anything.They both lost massively.
>>539193193Russia is stronger in every concievable way, and nato will cease to exist the moment ukraine surrenders to Russia, what the absolute FUCK are you talking about?Russia is the sole hegemon of europe now, with asolutely no competition. london is dead forever
>>539194863NATO/NAFO don't care, they just use the Ukranians to weak Russia, they will sacrifice the entire existence of Ukraine as a people just because Putler regime is anti-tranny and negro worship...
>>539195011>Russia will come out stronger than everDeluded.Russia will be discounted to a regional power and a chinese puppet.
>>539193997>My prediction is that the war will eventually reach a stalemate.nigger how?ukraine isnt "stopping" Russia. they are losing their last remaining 'strongoholds' daily while london niggers scream at a deafening roar about completely meaningless>"post benzin!"for chuckles on discord and /k/ukraine is absolutely fucking dead and finished
>>539195079>Putler regime is anti-tranny and negro worship...Russians worship niggers much more than Europeans.Hence Russians loving Brazilians.
>>539193078>forced /int/ meme + putin bad
>>539193017pretty much no. they're dependent on the west especially america, and america seems more pro-russia with Trump in power. I'm neutral, i can't stand either of them and i hope they kill as many of each other as they can. But objectively speaking, Russia can just send waves of troops into Ukraine longer than Ukraine can beg for weapons and get humiliated in the whitehouse. Having said all of that, im surprised its gone on this long. Not surprised Russia still wants to win not at all, they'd lose every limb they have to say i won. Surprised that America hasn't cut Ukraine off from the gibs train. It's all a grab for rare earth minerals and a haliburton style rebuild your country for you deal though.
>>539195079ok, but Russia hasnt gotten "weaker" it has gotten exponentially stronger, and dug further down into war and defense than at anytime since the 1940's, while europe completely demilitarized itself for its proxy ukraine, (and lost)>>539195138both things you say are nigger dogshit lies,and Russia has become the SOLE superpower of europe, and will spend the next century pumping out untold quantities of vastly important energy products, while europe has FUCKING NOTHING>pic relatedright there is supremecy over europe untill the year 2100+
>>539195178>Russians worship niggers much more than Europeanslmao, love when nafo /k/ niggers start doing the "muh white race" shit with Russia
They're never going to invade and take over Russia, or dismantle their military. Unless NATO gives them ICBMs all they can do is harrass. Russia won't push cause they have front line recruitment issues, but they seem content with the land they acquired. How it ends depends on everyone else. If NATO completely abandons Ukraine they won't be able to defend themselves. If Putin get assassinated and there's a leftist revolution than they would just let Ukraine go. Or what's most likely is everything stays the same, NATO spends lots and the Jews win.
>>539193017Winning by not losing, maybe. It will end with the Pyrrhic victory ending for both sides, both claiming it's a win and suffering from economical collapse.
>>539195306>Russia has become the SOLE superpower of europeRussia isnt in Europe.And Russia can do nothing against the EU.Especially not now militarily.
>>539195357Russians are decolonizers in Africa.They spent the 8 decades fighting for niggers against Europeans.They greatest poet is a mulatto.Stop seething nigger.
>>539193017they've never had any, lolnever will
Nobody wins in a war like this2 sides kicking their shit inUkraine did cripple Russia a lot, especially latelyBoth are fucked though
>>539193017Russia is losing
>>539193078That's not what op asked.
>>539193017They already lost. They have been demographically devastated. Even if by some wonder they don't lose the entire eastern ukraine and get some ceasefire, they will be a completely buckbroken, economically, demographically, geopolitically devastated nation that is knows it has only a few years left to live before russia has gathered the strength to give it the final blow
>>539193017They never had a chance in this war of attrition because they don't have as much meat to sacrifice. Simple as. This was clear from the very beginning.
>>539193078It sucks for moscovites but is it really war ending damage?
>>539195822How would you know when your fat ass has never left the US
>>5391935720/10 no farts or prolapsed sphincters
>>539193017Define "winning".
>>539196092No. It's a long term strategy supposed to make the accounting department go to Putin and say "eh dude we have to stop mkay".It's up to debate if it does work this way in despotic shitholes.
>>539196092It makes some Russians move their ass to maybe organize for once, line up to Kremlin instead of hollering at one another in lines to stacje benzynowe.I'd like to see them in action, though there is a big chance they are too weak to uncuck themselves from the old farts.Hope to see Belarus do the same.
>>539196128I know because I see countless vids like these
Russia should send Iran nukes
>>539193017It'll stay a stalemate while jews are slowly subverting the country from inside, we're literally experiencing post WW1 Germany in real time
>>539196128I knowI live so close to Kaliningrad, I can hear Russian economy crashing
>>539193078>Our of 200 drones launched, 8 were not intercepted>They struck somewhere in the Moscow greater area, but not the city>Ukraine wasn't able to follow up the attack>Repais are faster than subsequent attacks>This represents a depletion of Ukrainian stockpiles.Yeah, it's over for Russia dude.>>539193997>The Russians dont try to advance any further as doing so becomes too grinding.The reason that Ukraine exists as an independent state right now is because the Soviet Union saw that it could balance its budget by releasing them. The Ukrainian team argued at the table that they should also get territories east of the dniepr with resources for fairness. Which of course they tried to ethnically cleanse and didn't make use of. Russia has been clear for the entire war that they have no intention of annexing anything west of the dniepr, because they don't want it and it would be too grinding.>Eventually both sides agree to a ceasefire.This won't happen because The West doesn't honor any ceasefires.>Ceasefire turns into an permanent uneasy stand-offHow'd that work out in Iran. Russia isn't stupid. Minsk 1 was perfidy. Minsk 2 was perfidy. Ukraine signed a surrender to get Moscow to withdraw the encirclement of Kiev and this was perfidy. There have been several rounds of peace talks since then, none in good faith. Russia's leaders already said this won't end with a negotiated settlement anymore because it can't.>>539194527>if the Ukraine keeps getting ruled by the hyhyliansUkraine is not run by Ukrainians and hasn't been for over a decade.
>>539194863>I would truly love to know what the average ukrainain thinks is a legitimately achievable goal 5 years into this warThe average Ukrainian has fled the country, and the largest group of those fled to Russia. Of men bussified to the front, the cohort who defected to Russia is larger than the number of casualties. So there's your answer.>I am completely lost as to what ukraine/nato realistically hopes to achieve..Demographic replacement of Ukrainians. Same with all the other economic zones they control.
>>539194896>It's hard to speculate what exactly the war aims of Russia are.If only Putin had delivered a one hour youtube lecture the day of the invasion. Or maybe if we could get an English language interview with a popular streamer in which Putin breaks down the entire historical foundation of the war and the region, then it might be clearer. Or maybe if he held yearly economic summits in which he took QnA from foreign reporters. Oh well, I guess we have to speculate.
>>539193017They have already lost, they'll never rebuild unless Russia pays for it, and that won't happen unless there's a very decisive victory.But Russia has lost too, their economy, morale, military, are more in shambles than the usual, and if they don't get results they might even get stuck with the reconstruction bill.This is an amazing ploy to take Russia out as a serious power. They aren't a credible threat to nobody anymore.
>>539194896>The initial invasion was simply to take down the government, replace is with a pro-Russian government, and bring the entire country back into the fold.Why are you making shit up here? During the encirclement of Kiev, Russia's terms for peace, which Ukraine agreed to, had an independent Ukraine and no transfer of territory. Russia immediately honored the signing of this deal by withdrawing.>Ukraine is now forever a lost cause for the Russian geopolitical sphereUkraine is going to be under Russian control but not formally annexed. That's what's happening.>>539195011>so it begs the question "WHY?" does ukraine continue this obviously lost war?Because Ukraine is governed by people who are not Ukrainians and who hate Ukrainians.>>539195138>Russia will be discounted to a regional powerEveryone is being discounted to a regional power right now. America's global hegemony is gone. The difference is that Roscosmos can keep a space station in orbit and NASA can't.
>>539196883>>539196987>>539197056just your average 3 minute 3 postpro russian bot with merica flag with so much knowledge about russian history that he failed his transgender degree because he spend all his time reading about communistic high society
>>539195291>america seems more pro-russia with Trump in powerTrump is sanctioning Russia and providing ISR to bomb their cities. Meanwhile, he's also launched surprise attacks against schoolchildren in Russian-allied states, and is providing security for Jolani's regime to free up manpower to murder Christians in Syria who allied with Russia.>>539195383>Unless NATO gives them ICBMs all they can do is harrass.Russia has countermeasures for ICBMs. America does not have countermeasures for ICBMs. Russia is strategically allied with states whose combined arsenals dwarf America's.>Russia won't push cause they have front line recruitment issuesRussia does not have issues getting volunteers for their all volunteer war. If they do decide they need manpower, they have 1 Million trained and equipped conscripts available for mobilization.>If Putin get assassinated and there's a leftist revolution than they would just let Ukraine goYes, in a hypothetical where the Russian people decide to fight against Russia and for NATO, then Russia could be defeated. Russians perceive this conflict as existential. Ask any Russian. They are reasonable for seeing it this way.
>>539195445>Russia isnt in Europe.Russia is in Europe and is the largest country in Europe.>Russia can do nothing against the EU militaryThe combined armed forces of the entirety of the EU are smaller than Russia and don't have interoperability, even linguistically. The only thing they can contribute to the battlefield that they aren't already contributing is manpower.
>>539195766>Ukraine did cripple Russia a lot, especially latelyA Ukrainian psyop made long gas lines two weeks ago. That's it.
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>>539196449North Korea already offered. Iran has a fatwah against nukes and thus declined. North Korea then offered to do the launching for them, and again Iran declined.
>>539197465>memeflag seething
>>539193017The Ukranian people will win. The Jews who control Ukraine will lose.
>>539197738Yes. There were runs on gas stations two weeks ago. Now things are back to normal. Ukraine doesn't have a followup. It can launch a wave of strikes into Russia infrequently and accomplish a minor disruption to daily life. But Russia is not crippled.
>>539195070>Russia is stronger in every concievable waythat's not what pootin's body language says
>>539196883>Ukraine is not run by Ukrainians and hasn't been for over a decade.Poroshenko was a world bank/imf puppet. Nuland stole the election and installed him
>>539197776literally refer to >>539197465and add this to the list>>539197301>>539197538>>539197613>>539197648>>539197747>>539197776literally samefagged an entire thread sucking up to kgb agentswhile larping as an american LOL
>>539197910Lmao ok whatever you say burger
>>539198104You do know the KGB was full of ukrainians, right nafo troon?
>>539197910>Ukraine doesn't have a followup.just today near moscow, they destroyed the second largest warehouse of the largest online retailer in russia-Wildberries, you stupid pidor shill. The warehouse held 10%-15% of the whole Wildberries' inventory (actually the mom and pop retailers who used the service) and was not insured against such a loss. Another such warehouse was destroyed in Kotovsk, Tambov reg. This will have a cascading effect throughout the whole economy. They've been hitting russia's oil refineries daily, destroyed most of the shadow fleet oil and dry goods tankers in the Sea of Azov and now switched to the Black Sea. And they haven't really started yet on russia's electrical grid infrastructure and heating generation in the cities. They will do it closer to winter for maximum effectiveness.
>>539193017that is not the russian flag. try again.
>>539199079> they destroyed a warehouse> this means they are winning !!!keeeek, nafotrooons are becoming desperate. Meanwhile all of Ukraine is rioting in the streets against mobik vans
>>539193997>My prediction is that the war will eventually reach a stalemate.you are not keeping up with current events. people are publicly calling for the removal of putin. fucking wildberries is burnt to the ground. the russian can't even slow the drone attacks. russia is NOT winning.
>>539193017no, but the war will keep going on for a good while still
>>539199079>destroyed most of the shadow fleet oilIts like you faggots will just say anything
>>539199183>degrading russia's logistics and warehousing capabilities, amongst other things, means absolutely nothing, people will just keep their shit on balconies like they did in the USSRLMAO, you stupid pidrila. russian farmers are now in real trouble because of the fuel shortages and quality of diesel due to Ukraine hitting refineries, depots, and distribution hubs. They're getting dangerously late in their harvest in the most productive regions such as Stavropol. This will now likely cause food shortages AND definitely cause much higher prices throughout russia.>a few retards came out to protest something means Ukraine will now surrendernow who's the desperate one? And, it appears, Ukraine isn't such a dictatorship (like russia) where people can't vent their grievances.
>>539195163Getting some serious Bakhmut vibes here.
>>539199384why didn't you quote THE WHOLE sentence, you disingenuous pidor shill? It's like all you do is lie and have a very selective comprehension of information.
>>539199624maybe lay off of krokodil for a day or two
>>539199079>Followup consists of targeting one sotrage facility every two weeks.Imagine for a moment if Russia was pretending to win an invasion of America, and all they had to show for it was 5 failed offensives and a blown up Home Depot once every two weeks, meanwhile America has halved Russia's population and annexed 20% of its land. In that scenario, would the infrequent destruction of a Home Depot prove that America was crippled and Russia was winning?See how much your opinion is formed just by slapping a flag label onto something?
>>539199286>people are publicly calling for the removal of putinHe was just reelected by an overwhelming majority. His political opponents are mad that he isn't escalating the war fast enough for their tastes.>fucking wildberries is burnt to the groundI want to interpret your post as a parody of nafo troons, and this especially gives me a giggle.>>539199568>Screenshot from 2018>russian farmers are now in real trouble because of the fuel shortagesCan you show us these fuel shortages, or just long lines at gas stations two weeks ago?> Ukraine isn't such a dictatorship (like russia)Ukraine has been under martial law by a foreigner for years.>(like russia) where people can't vent their grievances.Your screenshot is from a video of Russians venting their greivances. Russia is an electoral democracy.
>>539199568> And, it appears, Ukraine isn't such a dictatorship (like russia) where people can't vent their grievances.Sure they can. They will just be brutally murdered by the SBU, even if they flee to Monaco, but yes *technically* they can vent their grievance before that happens
