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I think a lot of /pol/ needs help understanding what Democratic Socialism is. We're not crazy communists who want to "rise up" and kill the bourgeois. We believe it Democratic reform of the State to be in favor of the worker and the little guy rather than the elites. We believe the State right now uses its power and sway over the economy to channel resources upwards, we want it to work in favor of the people. Lets give some examples

>Military spending

The Federal Government spending BILLIONS on the Pentagon, with the military industrial complex siphoning almost 50% to themselves in bloated contracts. This is taxation for the elite

>Mortgages

Governments subsidize mortgage rates and grant tax write offs to property owners. Renters and people without access to such capital are shut out of the system.

>Cantillion affect.

The Federal Reserve grants low interest loans to banks, buys bonds in companies like Microsoft and Apple. Not only does this subsidize those companies, but it lowers interest rates for the borrowing class, and bolsters property values of the owner class.

This is why we need WORKERS like myself to make changes to the government. This doesn't mean we seize all the companies, there are peaceful ways to transfer ownership over the means of production from the plutocracy to the workers. Ironically, JEFF BEZOS came up with a great idea. Cut waste in the government, and give the bottom 50% a FEDERAL TAX EXEMPTION. Someone earning within that range now has extra cash that they can use to buy stocks and slowly build assets.
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Fuck off
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>>539198052
I don't really care about all that. Are you anti-Israel? If not then thanks for wasting my time.
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>>539198181
I don't care about Israel, I think it's silly to worry about that.
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Pound sand commie
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>>539198052
>leaf
lol
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>>539198214
You sound like a Jew. Always telling goyim not to care about Israel but never the legislature. Isn't that funny?
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>>539198214
Then you are a fool.
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>>539198289
Because I care more about making life better for working class Canadians than I care about whatever is going on there.

I guess blocking the Straight does indirectly affect us but that's not something that Canadians can be solved.
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>>539198052
Let me spell it out for you.

Socialism doesnt work. Period. End.
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>>539198473
There's a few calls coming through

>Scandinavia
>Canada in the 1950s
>America in the 1950s
>Singapore
>UAE
>Saudi Arabia (economically)
>Austria, specifically Vienna
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>>539198467
If you really believed in this, you'd campaign to end government aid to Israel and to put pressure on the US to end their illegal war that they promised not to start. I've seen this pilpul a thousand times.
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>>539198052
If you do not give any accountable plan to excise the anti white Marxists from the movement, then you are either a charlatan or ahistorical moron.

It's like you are a Menshevik or something that got transported here before the purges.
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>>539198473
democratic socialism does work
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>>539198052
>The Federal Government spending BILLIONS on the Pentagon, with the military industrial complex siphoning almost 50% to themselves in bloated contracts. This is taxation for the elite

Most spending, in the US, and most countries in "the West" is income transfer,

IT IS NOT "military spending." It's still a problem yes, but again, you are ignorant or playing ignorant.
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>>539198473
Neither does capitalism apparently
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>>539198473
Is the current system working out for us? You’re comfortable knowing a simple illness could snowball into financial ruin for most people?
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>>539198052
>I think a lot of /pol/ needs help understanding what Democratic Socialism is. We're not crazy communists who want to "rise up" and kill the bourgeois. We believe it Democratic reform of the State to be in favor of the worker and the little guy rather than the elites. We believe the State right now uses its power and sway over the economy to channel resources upwards, we want it to work in favor of the people. Lets give some examples
You are the Mensheviks to the modern Bolsheviks. The left still hates White people and you are being instrumentalised to win over sacrifical lambs.
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honestly if you are gonna go out of your way to make rageb8 threads would it kill you to change the image hash and filename?
2/10 do better
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>>539198052
You must be 18 to post here
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>>539199045
Like come the fuck on this is zero effort
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>>539199045
Ten points for griffyndor
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>>539199136
It's hard to distinguish between ragebait, and the small chance of a normie academic effort posting midwit takes.
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>>539198052
>Speak to a Canadian Democratic Socialist
Tell me you support the immediate remigration of every single Indian in Canada with a permanent ban on future immigration on their entire nation or I won't take anything you say seriously
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>>539198666
I don't live in the U.S

>>539199081
You are uneducated.
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>>539199260
4plebs is your freind anon if you smell a thread isn't organic it takes a few seconds of your time to see if it's really worth responding
granted you won't always have retards like OP who forgot to change the filename of the screenshot he took on may 14th and 6pm
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>>539199437
>granted you won't always have retards like OP who forgot to change the filename of the screenshot he took on may 14th and 6pm

You're dumb if you waste time doing that.
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>>539199260
>the small chance of myocarditis is treatable
>death is not

There is NO difference, mainstream docs had this "evidence based" take.
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>>539198214
You need to kill yourself. You larp as somebody high IQ but are really just a midwit who is completely unaware of the world around him. No much different than a boomer
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>>539199510
You aren't aware of the world, you're a completely uneducated zoomer that sees Nick Fuentes reels and thinks you know the world, you don't.

Come back when you have a real education and read books.
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>>539198052
>/pol/
>understanding
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>>539199437
Yeah, it's just OP posted a little more, so many threads are 1pbtid, and that is the easiest filter I use, but it is not enough.
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>>539199573
Tell me, what happens when Whites are a minority and we're surrounded by people who think we're colonisers and racists? Your class analysis means jackshit then. What happens when these new populations don't give a shit about class, because the reality of the human condition is tribalism?
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>>539199594
i think for the most part some spammers caught on to 1pbtid callout, you can see it with the idrama greekcel threads and the "we should have left niggers back in africa" poster. I just double check the archive just in case because they are learning well unlike OP who is a windowlicker
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I dont care what you believe. Your belief system is based entirely on what you imagine would be good. No basis on reality whatsoever.
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>>539199743
But what stops another poster from using the exact same image file?
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>>539199292
>Tell me you support the immediate remigration of every single Indian in Canada with a permanent ban on future immigration on their entire nation or I won't take anything you say seriously
This kills the Canadian flag poster.
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>>539198052
>We're not crazy communists who want to "rise up" and kill the bourgeois. We believe it Democratic reform of the State to be in favor of the worker and the little guy rather than the elites.
If this were true, you'd be fully supporting workers unions, which you don't. you only support immigrants. newsflash: workers unions build the roads, the bridges, the highways, the skyscrapers, the boilers, the electrical lines, the plumbing lines, etc. and they HATE illegal immigration because they fuck with workers unions. you've betrayed your strongest base in favor of illegal immigrants, and you're going to fail forever because of that. now fuck off, your country is a joke, and you'll be forcibly made American soon enough.
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>>539199879
nothing but depending on what x person uses to download it the filename generally will be changed but not the md5 has so its fairly easy to sus out spam threads that way
In OPs case he is phoneposting and uploading the same screenshot taken in may while slightly altering the context of his rageb8 thread
>>539200021
I personally think they should be killed remigration is too costly plus you could just cure the biowaste for a year or so and its free fertilizer
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I want to rise up and kill the bourgeoisie and I am a rightwing chud pretending to be a leftoid because the kike dicksucking needs to end immediately.
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>>539199295
Saying you "don't care about Israel" in order to avoid discussing it is incredibly slimy, ignorant and something a literal chud you claim to oppose would do. "It's just two desert tribes fighting, who cares" until it impacts gas prices and all our representatives are bought by the Israeli lobby. Is Israeli influence bad yes or no?
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>>539198052
Not reading your inane bull shit fag
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I don't believe in any kind of democracy to begin with and the only socialism is national.
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>>539199632
Haiti. Or Rhodesia.
North America will follow the Rhodesian model, that much is a given.
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>>539199879
It gets renamed, dummy.
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man OP didn't even have the energy to continue his shit thread
very poor form
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>>539200169
Thanks for the effort post!
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>>539198595
>america in the 1950s
wait wait WAit wAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
ST-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!!!!!

youve pointed something really great out that you have to understand that will completely destroy your argument. In a proper mixed market economy socialist policies should not be for any forms of service or legislative systems—they are easily exploited. (the floor has rises) but capitalist policies shoud not be for any forms of competition—theyll swallow eachother. (the ceiling is gone) this is the mass inflation were seeing today. this is the american healthcare system. the opposite is public transport and wellfare services in vienna. Politics are never a one size fits all and your failure to recognize this makes you a midwit. you would have loved 1950s america and would today be jus another clueless boomer burning their circumstantial wealth away at the casino.
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>>539201017
OP is ragebaiting, and yes, the post is ahistorical nonsense. 1950's American by any metric is more capitalist than today. Medicare didn't even exist in the 1950s.
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>>539201401
>1950's American by any metric is more capitalist than today.

Awful ragebait. Literally everybody now knows the rich paid 91% tax.
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>>539201017
You're incredibly dumb and uneducated. Not every system has to be applied to every country, historical context matters. You're dumb and didn't read history.
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>>539200826
I was called for dinner.

>>539200587
This thread isn't about Israel, I've spoken of Israel in other threads. I read "The Case for Israel" last year so it's not something Im unfamiliar with.

>>539200056
Unions gatekeep new people from joining the workforce.
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>>539198052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09dmQjTqFtI
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>>539198990
We have an incredibly socialist system. It's so expensive because it is socialist.
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>>539198052
>speak to a canadian democratic socialist
what do you think this is reddit? get the fuck out of here
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>>539198052
>We believe it Democratic reform of the State to be in favor of the worker and the little guy rather than the elites.
By reducing the size of the leviathan state, cutting taxes, cutting welfare programs that steal from the workers and give to the indolent, halting deficit spending that devalues our hard-earned money, and reducing unjust laws that curtail our freedoms (such as gun control and hate speech), right?
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>>539198052
>Speak to a Canadian Democratic Socialist
i'm not going to do that
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>>539198052
Do it in Canada as an experiment so we can all laugh when it fails so hardcore most of you die because your assumptions about human nature on which your bullshit altruism rests are literal incarnation of being wrong.
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>>539207491
We did it and it worked, USA did it too and it worked until Reagan removed it.

Read a book.

Your assumptions on human nature are that humans are all pedophiles.

>>539205153
Yes that's all part of it, definitely.

Problem is, we would still be in a deficit if we did that, since if we cut taxes and spending... we'd still be in a budget shortfall. We'd need to raise taxes on the rich too to really close the budget deficit and have a surplus.
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>>539205053
Ok white trash.
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>>539203092
>I was called for dinner
Thanks for bumping your abhorrent thread now more people will see your lazy attempts at rage b8ing
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>>539208228
Well some of them are objectively pedophiles, with jews being 100% pedophiles. However, I was merely stating the fact that human nature is corrupt and greedy, therefore anything downstream of it will eventually fail for that exact reason. Shit In, Shit Out, just like a jeet.
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>>539198142
fpbp, as is tradition
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>>539208384
> was merely stating the fact that human nature is corrupt and greedy, therefore anything downstream of it will eventually fail for that exact reason. Shit In, Shit Out, just like a jeet.

Ok, that's why we have laws, governing structures, checks and balances, and economic inventives to discourage people from being shitheads. Western nations do a pretty good job of it.

In todays society even if you are a shithead, you still have to get a job and contribute in some way if you want to get a head. Being able to channel human greed into productive output is a good thing and we've been relatively successful at it.
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>>539208744
>Western nations do a pretty good job of it.
lol, lmao even

Your standards for a "pretty good job" is top-tier retarded. Good luck, I'm out.
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>>539208228
>We'd need to raise taxes on the rich too to really close the budget deficit and have a surplus.
The best way to do that would be with a Land Value Tax. 10% LVT on non-agricultural land while completely abolishing the income tax and you'd instantly be running a massive budget surplus that taxes wealthy people the hardest while easing the burden on the middle class. Could pay off the debt in under a decade and even keep public healthcare. AND you'd incentivize housing development.
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>>539198052
We already had socdems in Weimar and they didn't do shit lol but you guys are good training grounds for natsocs because you're so incompetent and milquetoast that even communists hate you
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>>539208849
You're just dumb and uneducated, get the fuck out of my thread
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>>539208989
America in 1950s was the richest nation on earth. Read a book
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>>539198214
Yew don gooft
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>>539198052
>reform of the State to be in favor of the worker and the little guy rather than the elites
Wouldn't that just result in a new class of elites?
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>>539210403
>blue collar would become the elites
How fucking retarded are you?
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>>539210403
The wealthy would still be wealthier... they'd just have less and the working class would have a higher standard of living.

We would compress the Gini Coefficient below what it would be under a free market and the current system.

The current system actually amplifies the gini coefficient from what it would be in an unfettered free market.
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>>539198142
rude

https://youtu.be/aEJFsHNXRLM
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>>539198052
>We're not crazy communists who want to "rise up" and kill the bourgeois.
NARRATOR: They're sane communists who intend to rise up and kill the bourgeois, starting with leftover DS who actually believe what OP is selling.
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You are a few decades behind. By 2027 the need for workers will start fading so fast it will be stunning and it will never return. What you are seeking is unionization because union money buys political power bankrolling personal PACs etc. You're late to the party because technology doesn't need middleman politicians at all and that system will get further dismantled as technology prospers. You are useful for your message tax the rich pay their fair share but what you are failing to realize is that your are the sugar to make the medicine go down because the people will clap and cheer. What they are cheering for is corporate to be the revenue base, and it most certainly will be, and the people will not be the tax base any longer and no taxation no representation. DC white buildings will be museums. You are playing your part. No matter if you didn't. You aren't stopping progress. You just happen to be one of the mouthpieces heralding it in, and that must feel like something useful, rah. You won't have usefulness at all very soon. You should probably save this so you look back on it and say damn that anon was spot on and I have been an ideological tool. Or don't. Makes no difference.



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