When did you realise pre-Marxist Socialists (such as Henri de Saint-Simon and Charles Fourier) and anarchists (such as Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Mikhail Bakunin) were the real deal and that Marxism is false jewish socialism?>Saint-Simon believed that Europeans were superior. In the work De la réorganization de la société européenne, written with Augustin Thierry and published in 1814, Saint-Simon advocated that the united Europe which he envisioned should try to colonize the rest of the world: "To colonize the world with the European race, which is superior to every other race: to make the world accessible and habitable like Europe—such is the sort of enterprise by which the European Parliament should continually keep Europe active and happy." Writing in Introduction aux œuvres scientifiques du XIXe siècle, Saint-Simon states that he does not believe negroes to be equal to the Europeans for physiological reasons.>Charles Fourier said Jews were "the leprosy and the ruin of the body politic". He criticized the government for being weak and "prostrate" when confronted with what he called a "secret and indissoluble league" of Jews.>Proudhon differentiated his antisemitism from that of the Middle Ages, presenting it as quasi-scientific: "What the peoples of the Middle Ages hated by instinct, I hate upon reflection and irrevocably.>Bakunin: "I know that the Rothschilds, reactionaries as they are and should be, highly appreciate the merits of the communist Marx; and that in his turn the communist Marx feels irresistibly drawn, by instinctive attraction and respectful admiration, to the financial genius of Rothschild. Jewish solidarity, that powerful solidarity that has maintained itself through all history, united them".
Actual European socialism died in the 1840s and ever since it's corpse has been puppetted around by Marxists as a skin suit. I'm glad someone else figured this out. Socialism was intended to benefit the European people, and no one else, it was only globalized and judaized later, whatever was left of true socialism was expunged when Marx expelled Proudhonists and then Bakunin from the First International. Hitler was actually resurrecting European socialism with national socialism in the 1930s. I don't think you'll find much conversation about this on /pol/ though no one much cares for real history.
>>539219536You're very right, Monarchists were interested in socialism. Some even tried to lead it. What is it in the education system that people are not taught this? They became Fabian socialists so it's not very good optics for the left anyways.
>>539219729>Actual European socialism died in the 1840sIt was revived in 1920 :)
"National Socialism is a worldview that stands in sharpest opposition to the present-day world of capitalism and its Marxist and bourgeois satellites.” — Gottfried Feder
>>539219536have a bump bong bro>Henri de Saint-Simon and Charles FourierIll add them to the list of need to read
>>539221717Based NS thinker
>>539219536Thanks op, I thought I was the only one.
>>539219536Utopian socialism doesn’t work. We’ve seen this time and time again. It was too Jewish and idealist.
>>539219536bump for quality post though it's wasted here
>>539224808Utopian socialism wasn't "utopian" it was actually scientific because it's believers actually put the time and effort into testing their ideas in the real world (they failed, but that's how science works). It's Marxism that's utopian, his entire ideology is built solely around postulating and guess work, no real world tests whatsoever, the most critical part of any scientific process, the testing in the real world part, is completely absent in Marx's "scientific socialism". Marx and Engels were the utopians. Fourier was the actual scientist he ran actual experiments. Marx and Engels lived in their ivory towers and like scholastics conjectured about how many angels could dance on a pin, speculated about how society "ought to be" and called their speculations science . They couldn't have been farther from real scientists. >jewish and idealistmarx was the jew
>the retards in the thread thinking old european socialism is synonymous with national socialism Grim
>>539219536the utopians were interesting and I don't discourage studying them, there were ideas in there that are worth a second look, especially given the post-1989 crisis of the leftbut Marx really tore them a new one in chapter 3 of the communist manifesto and they never recovered, scientific socialism is just better than what predated it. More systemic, more intellectually robust, more effective at mobilizing proles.
>>539225359Marxists basically banned them and usurped the entire idea. They had a lot of really great points, though admittedly I'm most familiar with bakunin. Marxism is an abomination.
>>539225529Marxists weren't in a position to ban much of anything until like 70 years after the utopians declined, anon. And while the USSR may have suppressed anarchists, so did basically everyone else.Marx kicked Bakunin out of a political party/labor organization, and he went and formed his own. He didn't kill him or inform on him anything, it's just that Bakunin's ideas weren't able to mobilize enough people to seize power anywhere for a prolonged period of time.
>>539225310They had the same view of jews
>>539225359>scientific socialism>no actual science ever involvedIts as ridiculous as when the "federalists" named themselves federalists despite having anti-federalist ideals. It's totally contradictory that Marx and Engles eschewed all real world science and proof while claiming to be scientists. >. More systemic, more intellectually robust, more effective at mobilizing proles.Marxism had none of this which is why it took decades of "reimagining" and a complete rejection of every one of his ideas before "marxism" found any practical real world implementation (and this by a man, Lenin, who was thoroughly not a Marxist himself). There's a reason Marx said he was no Marxist either. >Marx really tore them a new one in chapter 3ironically Marx's "critique" of "utopian" socialism works just as easily as a modern critique of Marxism or even a critique of Marxism in the 1880s, Marxism is not "revolutionary" it's bourgeoise, it's practitioners do nothing but create "castles in the sky", aka utopias that they philosophize about while not threatening the establishment one bit.In fact there's no better definition of a modern Marxist than Marx's own words about>their fanatical and superstitious belief in the miraculous effects of their social science.
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>>539225310Saint Simon>believed in preserving private property>believed in a nationalist government (France)>believed in removing all non-productive rent seeking from the economy>believed in a collective effort that regulated the market for the "common good"Hitler>believed in preserving private property>believed in removing all non-productive rent seeking from the economy>believed in a nationalist government (Germany)>believed in a collective organization that regulated the market for the "common good"Hitler was the actual heir of Saint-Simon
>>539226280so then where do modern leftists come from then
>>539226335Marxism
>>539219536>all of them are dei white trash gibsmedat begging bowlism get a job, and stop targeting iranian schools
>>539226629I guess it would only make sense for communists to fund communists in our country when we did the same
>>539219536I did not know of these works but what they are saying speaks to some deeper truths that I have been aware of. The Jews working in cahoots to secretly undermine the same society that harbored them and made them wealthy. This is done by means of communism and globalist socialism instead of the flavor of socialism described by the thinkers in OP’s post. It is obvious now that they are speaking of national socialism that was revived in the Weimar period. If it could be revived then, it can be revived again. We just need that critical mass of highly aware and motivated individuals akin to the Beer Hall putsch.
>>539219536>Fourier considered trade, which he associated with Jews, the "source of all evil", and advocated that Jews be forced to do farm work in the phalansteries. By the end of his life, he advocated the return of Jews to Palestine with the assistance of the Rothschilds.
>>539227574>Jews be forced to do farm work in the phalansteriesOy vey it's a proto-Shoah!
>>539227940The French socialism these men are speaking of is controlled by industry and the “working class” (any career that is inherently productive, not just manual labor) while Nazi socialism is controlled by military and the soldier class.
>>539226280trvke
