Was it really as brutal and devastating as boomers say? Or do they talk it up to make it sound more dangerous?
yes, murdering women and children is hard workhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre
>>539241152this happens in literally all wars btw
It was pretty grimMuch like Afghan but with much shittier medical capabilities So the troops spent most of their time holed up in fortifications with the unlucky ones sent to go out on patrol not to achieve any particular objective but as a show of force, meaning they'd get maimed or killed for no reason.The locals had the home field advantage and the wider populace generally supported them outside of the cities which were mainly populated by degenerates and scum so your only friendly interactions with the locals were with prostitutes, child molesters and drug dealers.
>>539241152when in romehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
>>539241188it doesn't.
>>539241152Doesnt that always happen?
>>539241063>>539241152And the My Lai massacre was only one small sample of what went on in the Free Fire Zones.2 million killed there.
>>539241063I highly recommend watching "Battlefield Vietnam" on YouTube.This war was a long waste of time. Based Nixon brought peace temporarily before the Watergate scandal. Honestly, the USA should've never gotten involved but Cold War Politics was the style at the time.
>>539241063Yes, because they got traumatized by being attacked from anywhere in the middle of the jungle (out of nowhere according to them, not because they killed, raped and kidnapped countless of women and children)
>>539241788>waste of timeI dunno; Ladybird Johnson did well with her Bell helicopter stocks..
>>539241629Why did we get our asses kicked so bad?
>>539241152And they keep doing it in these last wars too.
>>539241063Its just the usual Amerimutt selfvictimizing and face saving propagangada and copium. >oh no they were so sneaky they didnt play fair their fought cowardly they cheated it doesnt count we didnt lose a war>muh Amerimutt terrorist fought so hard and were the real victims of this Amerimutt terror campaign in VietnamEverything Amerimutts ever say is a lieIn Vietnam Amerimutt terrorists lost in symetric warfare. The Amerimutt airforce and usual airsupport was crippled by anti air missiles and anti air guns eating up Amerimutts, so Amerimutts actually had to fight symmetrical ground battles rather than just bombing helpless civilians and ground forces as they usually brag about. Its was Vietnamese soldier vs American terrorists and kidnapped Vietnamese used by Americans as human shields, face to face, gun to gun, artillery to artillery.And the Americans were simply massacred by superior tactics, training and knowledge of the terrain.
https://youtu.be/moNodUjay5Y?t=25
>>539241063yes it was as brutal, if not worse. if VC captured you, get ready to be tortured. they would torture you to death without a second thought. i read a report from a guy who did a helicopter rescue mission of a dude who had been completely skinned. was still living, of course, still talking skinned alive, living long enough during that helicopter ride back to the hospital to traumatize the guy with nightmares for decades. there was a lot of hand to hand combat. stabbing enemies in the chest with bayonets. getting bonzai charged by citizen comrade soldiers with suicide vests. tripwire mines in the jungle. huge enemy assaults. running out of bullets and using pistols to shoot enemies at close range. shit like that. total chaos.you'd arrive in Vietnam and be put on patrol within 24 hours or at least put in the enemy's range of fire. you and the platoon would be listening to your lieutenant giving out orders and a sniper would shoot him in the neck and he'd bleed to death in front of you. that last one was from someone i personally knew. so no, the Vietnam War was swept under the rug. it was supposed to be the moment in America where we gave up on the bullshit of bailing out our colonialist allies, but the Americans back home who didn't fight, who never had a bullet fly past them that was aimed at their head, the ones back home spun Vietnam into a taboo so that America could carry on business as usual and usher in the 1980s.
>>539241537>white amerikkkans
>>539242413Why were we so disorganized?
>>539241152Lidice was also hard work.>>539241063
>>539241063Just the jungle alone is annoying as hell. Humidity, heat, bugs, mosquitos... I'd probably kms than to go there.
US lost about 10k aircraft. Majority was not to SAM or Manpads but just plain autocannons and heavy machine guns. It was an intermediate war between a modern one and a WW2 one.>>539241788My controversial thought is that it was a 'necessary' war because:1) Domino theory is proven wrong in the context of resisting it. Why would Vietnam not try and turn Laos and Cambodia if they had won in 1964? And in turn why wouldn't they be eyeing Thailand and so on after that? So at best you just change where vietnam takes place and now it's ladyboys instead of me luv you long time.2) It provided the experience and development of tech to be better positioned later. Imagine a US army that never fought in Vietnam fighting Saddam, lol.We lost mind you, there's no copium there it's just a realization that maybe the war had to be fought even if it had to be fought to lose. Or that we could have achieveid a North/South Korea situation had we not refused to support South Vietnam at the 74-75 period. Again, doesn't take away from us losing.But maybe you could argue we'd have been better positioned fighting that war elsewhere. Like the reason Malaya was so easy for Britain was it was a Chinese minority that was communist so they could easily manage it. Think a similar deal for if a "Vietnam" war but in just Cambodia, or Laos, or Thailand or Indonesia would have been better.
>>539241063>Timmy vs Rice farmer in pijama
>>539241063It was brutal for the Vietnamese
>>539241648feet nasty beyond imagination.
>>539243107comfy pics.
>>539242782>US lost about 10k aircraftOne of the biggest bad habits learnt by America in Vietnam was to over rely on aircraft. Vietnam was the best possible scenario for choppers and they still proved very vulnerable.People memory hole this, but before the invasion of Ukraine Russia actually shifted doctrine to emulate America with a helicopter first approach. Then they took staggering aircraft losses at the start of the war and immediately abandoned the strategy.
>>539241273He means in wars USA participated is. Killing kids and women is a jewish thing, you wouldn't understand.
>>539243946Was there something in the water to make women's tits perky like a cone?Globally too.
>>539242782>>1) Domino theorythis is slightly credible, but truth really is that if western countries weren't fucking around with imperial colonialism to begin with, there would be no real intrinsic value to giving a fuck WHAT happens in SE Asia. right, like, this shit's about rubber trees and rubber wheels innit. the flipside of that is China and Russia doing whatever they want in Asia with the intent of using their increased power to gradually corner and subdue the West. It was the Cold War, after all, and communist rhetoric and belief wasn't just some CNBC segment, it was a way of life for tens of millions of people every day for generations. >>2) It provided the experience and development of tech.. Imagine a US army that never fought in Vietnam fighting Saddam, lol.the accurate comparison is Afghanistan. and that was an even worse war for America to lose because Al Qaeda and the Taliban were far far weaker than the Vietnamese. they won just by waiting us out. even the hunt for Osama had turned into a huge failure
>>539244179its just the bra type anon, they dont make em like that anymore, womens tits are still pretty much the same maybe a little flatter nowadays
>>539241063 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efvyOqxts-A&list=PLvwD-bFhTGGWThl8ySZ4qlpMElzN8z7ml&index=2
>>539244057nice pics fren
>>539241188filthy kike
>>539241063I heard the worst koreans were more fucked up
>>539244623Thanks
thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQitsOAvEus&list=RDmQitsOAvEus&start_radio=1
>>539244831never seen theseawesome
>>539244057holy based
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>>539243946God damn those are some ugly fucking women.
a draft, 50-60k dead US soldiers, and hatred by the retard general public for not supporting and losing the war. yeah, i would say it was pretty bad.
>>539241063They wouldn't know, most of the ones that are still alive dodged the draft.
>>539242228based memeflag niggerOfcourse all you'll ever hear is the snowflake Amerimutt version.
>>539241063I feel personally worse about Korean War and current Ukrainian War. Fucking bloody and useless conflicts, so many people died for nothing else than a whim of "superpowers" not doing it civilized way. Vietnam was awful because they bombed it to fuck including chemical warfare.
>>539242228>Hides flag to talk shitA sure sign their true flag would instantly get them clowned on by everyone.
>>539245220LARP kek
>>539244944Brutal, should be a album cover
>>539245260tell me about your collection anonwhere you get the set :)
Also this >>539242228 , you remember how burgers are so proud about their airforce? Well, it was schooled HARD in Vietnam.
>>539241063It was regrettable collateral damage.
>>539241063It was the first heavily televised war with journalists everywhere. Korea was even more brutal, but the news coverage was limited and more abstract.
>>539242413>so no, the Vietnam War was swept under the rug. it was supposed to be the moment in America where we gave up on the bullshit of bailing out our colonialist allies, but the Americans back home who didn't fight, who never had a bullet fly past them that was aimed at their head, the ones back home spun Vietnam into a taboo so that America could carry on business as usual and usher in the 1980s.it was a sobering experience for us for decades, and as the vietnam generation rose to leadership, they brought the lessons from the war with them, including the reasonable reluctance to engage in it without good reason. we had a very sensible approach to foreign policy and war from the 1970s until 9/11. then neocons who never wore a uniform upended that discipline overnight.desert storm, well executed as it was, was like crack cocaine for american leadership. that and the subsequent symmetrical operations in afghanistan, iraq, and elsewhere in the mena led us to overestimate our capabilities against anything resembling a peer country.between that, our overall loss of discretion in choosing which countries we went to war with, and the additional crack hits exemplified by the likes of the venezuela operation, really paved the way to the mess we're in now.
>>539245327Just started a "Vietnam War" folder many years ago and added to it when I would come across pictures from the web. Old pictures are an obsession of mine. They're like a time machine into the past.
>>539245220>>539245187all the pics are amazing. thanks for posting them.the book "six silent men" about the LRRPs in vietnam is really good. there's some good stories in it. they got an LT that was retarded and kept sending them into ambushes. then one morning he stepped on a toe popper mine when he walked outside his tent. shit happens in war.
>>539242057It was a low effort war with no real goals to achieve.
>>539242057Fear of China. America could've won the war at two points, a fake revolution in North Vietnam and a ground invasion of North Vietnam. Because of the disastrous events of the massacre in Hungary where an uprising against the Communists was crushed because the Americans kept feeding propaganda they were too afraid to cripple North Vietnam from within. Because of the Chinese show of force after the Americans invaded Korea, they were afraid of another Chinese invasion. Nixon essentially sacrificed South Vietnam (which could've had the same economy as South Korea) for better relations with Communist China (not even the Republic of China which still exists today). Just a lot of bad political decisions by men with no guts because they feared escalation. Do you know who doesn't fear escalation? Leftists, they just keep terrorising until everyone who disagrees with them is dead.
>>539241188If you're American
>>539241188Only in wars where pigs are fighting
>>539245396jews doing what they do best
>>539241063Having grown up with media made by those who were in draft age during the war, I'm always surprised to learn that the amount of drafted men wasn't that high for a country as large as the USA; I think they drafted like 8% of eligible men. Obviously very cruel to force young men to die on the other side of the planet.
>>539245488checkedI collected uploads from soldiers on fliker about 10yrs ago.Made a torrent back then and it is still up 3k picssome good high res stuff too.Magnet link here907ac59f4d3fd74235b9588ffe4f31f3de421b61
>>539241152Bro they are the ones that god an easy way out. Even today people in Vietnam are still suffering from all the fucked up shit the US did. Agent orange , landmines, napalm pollution ( the us army one has some very funny and cancer inducing Additives )
>>539245406i hear even the pacific war was also horrific, but again, far more limited coverage, heavily censored.
>>539242413> if VC captured you, get ready to be tortured. they would torture you to death without a second thought. Communist Koreans were exactly the same, an interesting thing today is that if you look at the Korean War and the Vietnam War online you'll find entire libraries full about the wars but relatively little information about those countries before or after the war. Vietnamese history on Wikipedia is essentially 90% Vietnam War and Korean history is like 40% Korean War and 50% modern South Korea with almost nothing about North Korea. Oddly enough, the Chinese civil war (which caused the Korean and Vietnam wars) is completely underreported with almost no information in English. Had the Kuomintang won then there would've been no American intervention necessary in either Korea or Vietnam.
It was a degenerate offDrugged up goyniggers fighting commie muttsIm sure it was as ugly as its ever has been. Both sides. Seeing who had the most low tide uncanny valley energy
>>539245339there will never be any military units with as much freedom to do whatever and lack of actual supervision or oversight as MAC-VSOG and the LLRP units. they wore and used whatever clothing, weapons and equipment they wanted. they were all insane maniacs that loved it.
>>539245799Yep.It was a different time indeed.
>>539245505cool This conflict was unique for it's time and place in America.The big patriotic divide about war began. With it's pro and cons
>>539245582The spread of communism!!
There's a reason why Francis Ford Coppola chose to set a contemporary adaptation of Heart of Darkness in Vietnam. This war brought the worst out of everybody that was involved in it
>>539241063For those who did ground fighting it seems to have been obviously awful. Chemical warfare, fighting in holes or being surrounded in the jungle, plus the standard Pax Americana PTSD of coming back home to think that maybe you were the bad guy; made all the worse by the people who stayed home explicitly shouting that at you with such choice epithets as "baby killer."Vietnam as a cultural phenomenon is way oversold, though, primarily because the bulk of boomers dodged the draft. The moral weight - or at least the felt public shame - of that could only be pushed off by really overemphasizing how horrible the war was. It'd be one thing if the boomers had made a resolute stand as a generation against the concept of the war or getting drafted for it, there would be no shame in that. But what a lot of them did was save themselves by hiding in college or committing crimes or harming themselves or running to another country, knowingly letting poor people go in their place. So instead there's all this emotional obfuscation around it from the Bone Spurs generation. Also why college is treated like a human right now, it's retroactive cover for what they were doing in there (definitely not dodging the draft!). We may soon see whether the zoomers make any better efforts on the same phenomenon.
>>539245750The Japanese were absolutely brutal, I've read accounts of American soldiers and other Whites captured by the Japanese, they were absolutely brutal. WWII is also where America fucked up, the Americans actively supplied the Communists in northern Vietnam because they didn't want to work with the Vietnamese imperial government for being pro-Japanese. Had the Americans just kept out of the conflict and supported the Chinese government in pacifying Communists in Vietnam immediately in 1945 then the entire Vietnam War could've been averted. America was heavily infiltrated by Communist academics during WWII that allowed Communist insurgencies to become a problem after the war ended. McCarthy didn't go far enough.
>>539245346North Vietnam, their airforce had 0 issues in South Vietnam because the Viet Cong had 0 aircraft. Most of the Vietnam War was fought in South Vietnam, very little actually spilled over to the north.
>>539242057We didn’t kill enough civilians. It worked in Korea. Probably could have worked in Vietnam.Not saying I support it or anything just saying like Stalin said “No man, no problem”. All of these rural peasants supported communism and land reform. If you just go village to village and machine gun millions of them into ditches long enough eventually you will win if enough of them are dead. I think it’s just a number game at the end of the day.
>>539245026Imagine actually marrying a Gook of any kind.
>>539243946She puts the Indo in Indochina.
>>539246067>knowingly letting poor people go in their placethisThis was the first big push for the MIC in the States after they say what they could get away with in WWII.They gave away tons of money to "R &D" for no real results. Ie Spruce Goose shitAnd a host of other retarded crap.
>>539246073> WWII is also where America fucked up, the Americans actively supplied the Communists in northern Vietnam because they didn't want to work with the Vietnamese imperial government for being pro-Japanese. Had the Americans just kept out of the conflict and supported the Chinese government in pacifying Communists in Vietnam immediately in 1945 then the entire Vietnam War could've been averted.If I'm not mistaken, the Allies favored the anticommunist, nationalist/republican, and collaborationist elements over the communist insurgents during the postwar transitional periods in China and Korea. Odd that Vietnam was handled differently.
>>539246133not accurate anonCong had Migs
Do you think it would have been sorta fun on patrol?
>>539246475walking around indochina irl, its population looks like the result of a three-way trainwreck between east asia, the pacific islands, and central/south asia. which makes sense really.
>>539246358This guy looks like the inspiration for "Captain Williard" from Apocalypse Now.
>>539244062>Killing kids and women is a jewish thing, you wouldn't understand.This,
>>539246671Depends.If you had your back covered and enemy activity was low.
>>539242782Domino theory was absolutely correct, just look at Africa where no such containment took place and a Communist revolution in Ethiopia led to one in Somalia. The Communist Vietnamese immediately helped the Communist take over in Laos and Cambodia. Had South Korea fallen to North Korea then we would've seen constant threats against the Japanese and I don't think that 1960's Japan could've resisted a Communist Revolution simply because of how unequal the wealth was initially distributed and how well the Communists were placed to take over Japan. America's strong actions in South Vietnam also helped other countries strengthen their militaries and take appropriate measures, the Philippines and Thailand and South Korea all implemented martial law after they saw just how subversive the Viet Cong were in South Vietnam. In fact, there even was a North Korean-backed VC-like organisation in South Korea, but seeing how South Vietnam struggled they immediately took it out before it could grow big enough to become a malign cancer upon society.
>>539245943>The big patriotic divide about war began.I have both draft dodgers that got drafted and went to canada, and guys who volunteered and went to vietnam in my family.war isn't for everyone.
>>539245908that A2 with the starlight scope is amazing.
>>539241063No, it was kino. Only Boomers could turn war into a oft-pretentious arthouse project and then whine about it.
>>539246864I meant the idea of"If you don’t support this war you are communist or some other thing."They do that in peak form in today's propaganda. Kill people in other countries are you are not a real American shit.
>>539246688Most northern Vietnamese people look more like Guangdongers. Thai people tend to resemble a mix of Chinese and Filipinos, but Burma/Myanmar actually has a lot of people that look Indian/Pakistani. Malaya is the only part of Indochina where the people look like stereotypical "australasians".
>>539247021Military equipment from that time period is wild.
>>539247189was that the red night vision scope that could see demons?? did they have units fighting against those things in the jungles?? I read a lot of really crazy stories from vietnam.
58,220 service members died over 20 years. Two decades of the involvement. Average 242 per year. War technology has changed since Vietnam. Now we can level entire nations to rubble because the people are the govt. No need to tease out the enemy. Just create a crater.
Is visiting Vietnam currently nice as an American?
>>539241063As much as i hate boomers, I take Vietnam at their word. Too bad most boomers never fought
>>539246073lol immediately after WW2 American rightoids were all saying the exact same shit about Japan. We shouldn’t have helped the Nationalists we should have just allowed Japan to keep their Empire.
>>539247489I remember reading about a certain night vision device that could see into a different dimension. It was experimental and only a few people got to see it.
>>539247958Didn’t they have that in Wolfenstein?
>>539242782>Why would Vietnam not try and turn Laos and Cambodia if they had won in 1964Because they didn't do that when they won in 1975.>there's no copium there it's just a realization that maybe the war had to be fought even if it had to be fought to loseThis is retardation. Who fights wars with the intent to lose?Anyway, America hasn't won a war since 1945. Neocons and jews tongue my anus.
>>539241063Vietnam actually was unique in that the soldiers spent more of their time in combat than in any war before or after. Before Vietnam transportation wasn't good enough for rapid deployment so soldiers spent more time getting to and from the battlefield than actually fighting, and after Vietnam the focus shifted massively to air power so the infantry only went in after the real fighting was already done. Vietnam was the only war where infantry were getting helicoptered from battlefield to battlefield with no downtime in between.
>>539247933Manchuria should've become an independent country, I never understood why Manchukuo should've been "returned" to China. Even if it became a Communist country it would've essentially been a warning to China to take the CCP more seriously. Had border controls existed with Manchuria then China wouldn't have had as many well supplied Communists within its borders. Manchuria should've stayed separate from China. And how the Soviets treated Manchuria could've been a litmus test for how they would act in Korea.
>>539241188>this happens in literally all warsHistorically, battles were fought by appointment, and having combat stray out of bounds was considered an international scandal.
>>539243865>america still lostI wonder how he felt knowing that he did all that for nothing
>>539244062>Killing kids and women is a jewish thingYou are a retard.Find me a war where this didn't happen, you can't. In fact it was usually much worse and considered normal.>>539241273>>539245621>>539244756It happens in every war.The West condemning their own military actions for being immoral is the unusual part, usually through all of history it was considered par for the course in war, people who did much worse like Ghengis Khan are considered heroes to this day by their people for example rather than remembered as evil murderous tyrants.
>>539241063It was pretty bad. Couple that with the absolute pointlessness of what they were there for. Their fathers fought the Japs and the Nazis to save the world for freedom. They're fighting a bunch of gooks for worthless jungle.
>>539241152Nigger post.
>>539241063The Vietnam war was necessary to prevent the spread of communism in Southeast Asia, the conflict was a crucial part of the Cold War strategy to maintain American credibility and protect non-communist governments in the region. Failing to support South Vietnam would have lead to a domino effect, where neighboring countries would also fall to communism.I have never served in the military or even held more than a part time job and yes I rely on foodstamps to survive, but my opinion is very very important.
>>539247613Totally fucking no.
>>539242869Bingo. The problem was forest. Indochina is heavily forested. It's not like western Europe, North Africa, or Korea, which are largely devoid of trees. Forest hid the guerrillas and allowed them to move around undetected. They couldn't be attacked from the air, which neutralized the most powerful weapon in the US arsenal.(You often hear that the US dropped more bombs on Vietnam than on Germany/Japan, which is true, but ignores fact that most of those bombs fell in empty forest and killed only wildlife. The two places where WWII style bombing might have had an effect -- Hanoi and Haiphong -- were off limits to bombing for political reasons.)The guerrillas could attack from unexpected directions then quickly disappear back into the forest. The Americans never knew where they were, but they always knew where the Americans were, because friendly civilians told them (and this sometimes led to spicy situations involving said civilians)TLDR: Western armies should stay out of forests, as they don't know how to fight in them.
>>539248464Find me a war that wasn't caused by Jews.
>>539249241Those underground tunnels seemed interesting too
>>539248675And now the Black Panthers fuck your women or listen to Jewish hags for independence. GG You lost again.
>>539241063Boomers are just whiners, it wasn't near as bad as even the Korean war, all the hard tough things happened to the Vietnamese, both North and South. And the cambodians and laos.
>>539241063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9eybY9qFfY
>>539248205Yeah it’s a shame how everything worked out. We never should have given China either Taiwan or Manchuria. We really never should have destroyed Japan’s Empire either, it was the only bulwark against communism in East Asia. However brutal the Japanese were what came after (civil wars, white and red terror, mass famine) was much worse.
>>539241063it was bad>t da nang 1968
>>539249610Plenty of American men were tortured into extreme PTSD, in fact, it used to be called "Vietnam Syndrome" for a reason.
>>539249948>great wall ran along manchurias southern borderholy shit thats so cool.
>>539241537imagine that guy on the far right, looking at you through a rifle scope. He's got the shooter's eyes.
>>539245606>Nixon essentially sacrificed South VietnamNixon understood that shoving millions of 6-foot blond guys into the jungle to fight guerrillas in a country with a foreign culture, language, religion, etc. was going to end badly for those guys.This was a Vietnamese war and needed to be fought by Vietnamese themselves. America could help with ships and planes and money and equipment, but not with soldiers. Nixon also understood that this war required an all-out attack on the North, something that previous administrations had been afraid to do because of fear of Chinese/Soviet intervention.(Nobody forgot MacArthur charging into north Korea in 1950 while insisting to Truman that the Chinese would remain passive.)Nixon therefore went to Peking to make friends with Mao. With China neutralized, USAF could finally begin attacking the north properly.Nixon also understood that not pursuing VC into "neutral" countries like Cambodia made them impossible to defeat. He reasoned that if a country was hosting enemy troops then it wasn't neutral and was a legitimate target for attack.TLDR: Nixon's strategy was to pull out the troops, attack the enemy leadership in Hanoi, and relentlessly pursue the guerrillas wherever they went.Could it have worked? We'll never know because of Watergate and all the ensuing controversies in Washington.
>>539250999Was Nixon a clown?
>>539241063The U.S. sent conscripts to fight a war, that wasn't officially really a war, so soldiers weren't allowed to solely take and hold ground from the enemy, but only act in support roles for the south vietnamese, who they had to either watch lose what they just took because they weren't a large enough force to hold the ground necessary to advance, or just clear out NVA/VC, evacuate what they just cleared, and watch the NVA/VC retake it the very next day and have to clear it again. Also, Robert MacNamara thought it would be a good idea to send literal retards into the jungle with firearms and explosives, where people needed to be cautious and quiet, because visibility was limited in many areas, and it turned out about how you'd expect.
>>539241063retard
>>539242057>Why did we get our asses kicked so bad?a determined guerilla resistance is almost impossible to put a total stop to. Russia learned the same lesson in Afghanistan. Its the only smart way to put up a fight against a superior enemy and it works. America thought it learned its lesson, but we forgot that important lesson and we're dealing with the same bullshit in the middle east. Another proxy war, against a determined guerilla enemy. Its pointless. Big militaries are *great* at real military objectives. Take the capitol in a push, take this land, drive them out of that area. But when you introduce economic, political, bullshit? people don't understand what the military's really for.
>>539243734the MIGs of the time had a slower stall speed, which made them very very maneuverable at lower speeds. The MIGs could maneuver intricate and easy at slower speeds than the faster American jets could handle. The M-16 had a few growing pains early on, too. Helicopters fill a number of small niche roles. I wonder about the investment in the modern day with the ridiculously expensive attack helicopters, in a cost to benefit analysis over other things. But the basic air-cav of the vietnam era filled roles well for less money.
Does anyone have any stories or info regarding the early Night Vision using red phosphorus tubes, that were quickly discontinued because the men using them reported seeing demons??
>>539247133>Kill people in other countries are you are not a real American shit.i've literally never seen any such propaganda in 40 years growing up in US
>>539251160Yes?
>>539241788Nixon was unironically the last good president we ever had. Anyone saying otherwise filters themselves from legitimate knowledge of history
>>539241648>YOU EAT GI YOU EATwood.
its directly responsible for the military arming and training of local police officers
>>539245632>they send the nigger in after Charliekek based
>>539251116Bureaucrats and bureaucracy. Same story as ever. Useless.
>>539252733Mike Brown down
>>539242057>send a bunch of people to war who really don't want to be there>all of your officers are sending you on suicidal missions to collect shiny badges to brag at dinner>local populace already distrustful of you because you do nothing to protect them>actively begin hating you because your troops make no attempts to differentiate and slaughter entire villages of people on your side>operations are being dictated by people heavily invested in the MIC so every US loss is a net gain>morale couldn't be lower as you're stuck in an insanely hot and humid jungle with traps and enemies hidden about>a massive amount of soldiers are actively abusing narcotics to escape from their living hellShort of it is the US had incompetent leaders looking to make some money, which has been every US conflict since ww2 showed how much cash a war can print if you're willing to play ball.
>>539241063It was a fucking shitshow>t. spent 4 years in nam when I was a young man
>>539253186What would be the best way to get out of Nam without dying once u got there? Shoot urself in the foot?
>>539241188Where were the mass rapes and massacres of civilians in the Revolutionary or Civil Wars? It's nigger behavior and Vietnam Vets behaved like niggers, partly because they were led by LBJew and Nixon who has led around by the nose by Kissinger.
>>539241063It was only brutal for them when they switched from the m14 to the m16. The Vietnamese feared the m14 and notice how right when the US miitary switched from the m14 the war went downhill after that.
>>539251856It was all over the beginning of the GWoT in the early 2000s, if you were even slightly not on board with every part of the plan.>Why do you hate America?!>Why do you want the terrorists to win?!And, most famously,>You're either with us, or you're against us.>t. President George W. Bush
>>539253480Gotta love boomer fudd lore
>>539241063>Was it really as brutal and devastating as boomers say?wrong. it was better...better than any sex you've ever had or will have. better than hearing your child first speak your name.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0m573MxXXw
>>539252733no, that's the homosexual police trying to imitate soldiers. stealing valor. men could dodge the draft by joining the local police force. That's part of the reason why Vietnam veterans are not police supporters. their ethos is anti-police. Imagine coming back from Vietnam and some cop pulls you over, acting like a big tough guy, and you know he's been bullying and harassing people at home while you've been fighting over there. There's a dashcam video from the late 2000s that's of course now hard to find of a Vietnam vet in a white truck getting pulled over by a cop and you can imagine what happens next.
>>539250205Whiny pussies, people are tortured in every war and the Vietnamese weren't even the worst about it. Just whining cause they lost.
>>539253884yes it was the largest police officer training video in the USA, its what im talking about, add Iraq and what you said and boom, larping soliders in uniform, given the armaments too
>>539242413all that shit sounds rad af>imma touch me some grass>imma touch me some grasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4ef2CYs91g
>>539253701>The truth is just boomer loreWhatever helps you sleep at night but it's the truth. Look at the australians in Vietnam, they had a heavy 7.62 rifle the FN FAL and there were no complaints from them about the weight or anything plus the rifle served them very well. American boomers were just limpwristed faggots even though if you read testimonies of the people who used the m14 at the beginning of Vietnam they all loved it.
>>539253283Among Sherman's activities in his march to the sea, Sherman's Bummers were reported to have raped, though he denied any knowledge, despite there being reports even within the U.S. government and more reports from among civilians. Funny enough, while white women were raped, they especially targeted black women, because they could get away with it, and the presence of rape in areas they operated in was enough to spread fear as well as actually raping, since it was extremely shameful.
>>539242869>get somehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffSIH7OOG2g
>>539241188>t. Hilary Clinton
The US was losing 500 troops per month on average despite all the heavy combat and major battles. Ukraine would have you believe that Russia is losing 30,000 troops per month despite us only ever seeing the odd few guys getting hit by drones. Doesn't add up.
>>539253283the Boston Massacre, for one lmao. I don't doubt at all that British soldiers were raping women whenever they could. And i'm sure husbands, fathers, and sons weren't running over to the local print shop to tell Benjamin Franklin to print out some pamphlets about the gang rape that happened at the farm. And the Civil War, look up Sherman's March. It was scorched earth. They blockaded and bombarded civilians in Georgia. They aimed to destroy everything and anyone remaining in the city. the Siege of Atlanta. People in Georgia remember it as something close to a war crime. and you will never be white.
>>539254355>And i'm sure husbands, fathers, and sons weren't running over to the local print shop to tell Benjamin Franklin to print out some pamphlets about the gang rape that happened at the farm.
>>539254088What's wrong with m16?
>>539245505>then one morning he stepped on a toe popper mine when he walked outside his tent.shit happens in war.>based battlefield promotion
>>539254587it kinda sucks on COD
It's a contrast watching the documentary by Ken Burns where the American vets are crying and shitting about what they saw while the Vietcong and NVA vets are like "Yes, it was tight and I'm proud" lol
>>539254587The early M-16 models were notoriously bad and had high jamming rates. The manufacturer initially assured the Pentagon that these new rifles were "self-cleaning", which they of course took seriously and didn't bother issuing American troops with cleaning kits.
>>539254587It eventually turned into a decent rifle later but at first it was having a lot of mechanical problems, a completely new design but not battle tested, troops early on weren't trained in using the m16 showing switching your main weapon in the middle of a war is a very stupid decision, and people liked the heavier hitting 7.62 round of the m14 being able to pierce through cover far easier than the 5.56 round of the m16 plus the 7.62 cut through thick brush of the jungles of Vietnam a lot easier as well.
>>539254553>me fooking leg!
>>539243788What tf is that ?
>>539255015He will be back in 9 months.
>>539241063it was the last time we used napalm as a standard weapon of war.
>>5392439462 4 3 1 5 6
>>539241063> Was it really as brutal and devastating as boomers say?It was worse. Lots of scum of the earth losers got drafted forcefully to go get shredded too. Everyone hated them when they got back and still do to this day. The war was also lost bigly.
>>53924106358k deded. You figure it out.
>>539254757Watch this if you wanna see what the Vets who were gung-ho say, the shit they don't talk about in Ken Burns. It's called First Kill. Skip past the first 5 minutes to get to the guy in the wheelchair>pic relhttps://youtu.be/m0m573MxXXw?si=ABvGum2d46YLWfRu
>>539251856migger detected
>>539254355Based and truthpilled post. Sherman was a maniac anti-American bloodthirsty man
>>539255397>they were excited at first Well yeah but then they started losing like crazy. I don’t know what kind of argument this is.
>>539255429>if you don’t love globohomo propaganda u a migger Not sending their best these days.
>>539253256ex pat ?>>539253646Or the ongoing mantraYou Don't Support The Troops
>>539255397i should do this geezer a favor and break into his home so he can re-live his glory years. i'll even dress the part with a radio spewing viet slurs for americans. or better yet strafe his house with viet spewing loudspeakers then convince some brown crackhead of a stash bricks of cocaine.
>>539245762Terrence Malick intensifies.
>>539255571read the thread buttsex
>>539255637>get somehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIbSIs3Hdw
>>539245908Jesus… literally the “fuck both of us” gun
>>539241063Yeah it was pretty brutal.
>>539253646no it wasn't. most people hated bush
>>539241063Huge quantities of conservative white men were murdered in the vietnam war allowing the left to take over universities and corporate America. It was done on purpose. They had no children. It was white genocide.
>>539248260What do you think happened to a city's inhabitants after it was taken?
>>539245598Charlie kirk is alive! Tell tim pool!
>>539256158That’s literally what it was thoughThe people who disliked Bush or the Iraq war weren’t allowed to have their opinions promoted in any real way. It was a total globohomo media circus
>>539248409at least he blew open some slope melon. fuck do you do, juggalo faggot?
Photographed by eddie adams, informal execution of north Vietnamese agent in saigon
>>539256645MCL
>>5392545871st gen m16s were bad, vietnam was moist and the barrels amf chambers corroded, after they started chrome lining the guns things improved.
>>539256525what about the You don’t support the troops lineIt is always used to shut down any questions
>>539256666
>>539257021Good photo, very clear
>>539257069I will post more of his stuffmostly street stuff
>>539255958I would prefer the quad .50Not sure I would be hearing much later in life.
>>539241063I still get flashbacks to the nam, son. It was hell. Especially if you were a tunnel rat.
>>539241063
>>539241063The majority of the war they sat in forts getting attacked or patrolled for no reason. They basically left the north alone because of politics. In the early 70s they said fuck it and starting leveling the north and Cambodian supply routes and suddenly bam, Paris peace accords. It was all a fake war, gulf of Tonkin is now officially a false flag, they never truly went north etc. seems the only people who know how to handle modern offensive wars are Israel.
>>539257467Thats what happens when your chosen
>>539257467To add on, south viet death squads and the Koreans were the only ones who consistently were able to pacify their zones.
Anybody heard of the German who was a kid during WW2 and ended up in Vietnam in the American army? There was a classic photo of him in the jungle carrying hand grenades.
>>539241063i didnt see no viet cong drone my whole platoon while we dialed in air support
>>539241063No Vietcong ever called me a nigger.
>>539245621We learned from the best, (You)
Imagine the animal it would make out of you, The Green Hell they called it, holed up in there forts while VC crawled all around them, Hamburger Hill. Look like they sent a lot of niggers which were easy pickings for VC
>>539245631lmao, this must be bait.
>>539256645>killed tens of thousands of Vietnamese women and children>still lostPoint and laugh at the migger.
>>539254587what was said before plus 300 meters is less than the with of a rice fieldon an agricultural landscape you can't reliably shoot from one treeline to the nextinstead of comforably out ranging the cong on an open field they were more or less on even groundthe .308 will fly through a bush in a straight line most of the time while 5.56 is much more likely to be divertednever seen guntubers conduct a test about this, but a Hungarian print hunting mag of all things did, and their bottom line was that regular .308 will likely hit whatever's concealed behind a bush, while anything lighter than that is more likely not to
>>539241063the korean war was 10x worsebut was shameful so they buried it 40k "official" us deaths and nothing to show for itthen came this shitshow after it50k dead + 300k woundedUS adventures in asia on the behest of kikes have always been disasters for everybody involved now it's happening again with Iran
>>539259506We were fighting communism then, socialism now!
>>539255123
>>539259557you were actually fighting Christian minoritieslook it upsame shit in SK and Japan were you chose to nuke the only christian townsyou history is one of jewish subservience since the day this franc masonic kike state of ours recognized your country.
>>539259620Ok, they had some spare time I guess lol
>>539255429>let me tell you about your countryno.
>>539241152>Nigger's opportunity of a lifetime for senseless violence and sexual exploits against innocent humans> Can't use firearms; literally shoots himself in the foot
>>539246864kike wars aren't for anyone, retard. Don't try to rationalize invading a sovereign nation on the other side of the planet because "tHeY hAtE oUr FrEeDuM", regardless of the theater.Unless you're defending your home and people, you're a fucking golem and deserve to rot in a foreign field.
>>539247958It was an early PVS system, probably one of the very first prototypes, hence the lack of proliferation.That said, if you know anything about NVGs, this would've been sub Gen 1 which would've been worse than allowing your eyes to adapt and working high visibility nights. I'm sure every breeze through the bush in enemy territory looked like a lovecraftian horror through what amounted to 200 FOM devil red sunglasses.
>>539250084Damn leaf unc was sprung off dat sideways gook cunt frfr no cap
>>539261123it was like the virtua boy
>>539251856At least hide your flag if you're going to act this fucking retarded.
>>539253282Generally the would just frag the COs until they got somebody who was reasonable enough to keep them alive through it.
>>539254349>lying liars are lyingWhat's the first casualty of war, anon?
>>539254587Besides the reliability issues mentioned above, the 5.56 wasn't ideal for some of this heavy brush jungle fighting compared to the .308s they were replacing. Brush out of the equation, a 20" 55gr 5.56 is about as kino as 5.56 gets, especially for that time period. As rough as the transition was, they couldn't have picked a better platform in the 20" M16s
>>539256525not really true. it was huge among the left, especially in music and art, with cindy sheehan being the face for the anti war movement.bush was the symbol of the gwot they hated, even though neocon kikes ran the show behind the curtain. probably why bush got a redemption arc
>>539244179It's called a bullet bra, it was fashionable at the time.
>>539261220do you have any examples?
>>539257158That’s more the “fuck everyone in that general direction” gun
>>539256525>The people who disliked Bush or the Iraq war weren’t allowed to have their opinions promoted in any real way.wut? it was literally the era where American hate became "cool". now it has spread to all corners of the world.
>>539257368>war torn country still cleaner than peace time india
>>539245220>>539245505I knew a guy who had been a LRRP in Vietnam. His team was hit by a random lightning strike while on a mountainside and got zapped pretty good.
>>539241273>>539244062>>539246775Naive retards, it happens in all wars.
>>539262179proof it happened in the cod wars?
>>539241152Just ask Netanyoohoo.>About DefendantMr Benjamin Netanyahu, born on 21 October 1949, Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the relevant conduct.Arrest warrant issued on 21 November 2024Accused LastNameNetanyahuAccused FirstNameBenjaminChargesAllegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.
>>539245220I read the book bout them,5 man spotter team thought artillery hit their position but it was lightingAlso if asshole throws grenade in water don't let the wave/wake from sed grenade touch you or you'll get Cronenberged
>>539241063An estimated 1.5 to 3 million people—roughly a quarter of Cambodia's population at the time—died between 1975 and 1979 under the communist Khmer Rouge regime led by Pol Pot. These fatalities were the direct result of state-sponsored executions, forced labor, deliberate starvation, and lack of medical care.That’s politics for ya.
>>539259620I will NEVER complain about painting rocks again
>>539244869Strange internet lore here, but there is a pamperchu video where some old boomer degen that is fucking him is showing his Vietnam photo album and it may show this hill.
>>539261916I hate that fucking album
>>539241063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m2dMZdH0k8Nineteen.
At the time of American involvement, the Vietnamese were on War #3. first the VC were victorious in a civil war to overthrow well-funded and organized colonial rule of France, and implement Communism.Directly after this was War #2, which was to stop Red China from invading and puppeteering the entire country, which they also won. So when we got involved we were sending draftees up against hardened veterans with homefield advantage, a prepared defense in depth, and proven tactics and strategy. In addition to that, it was politically suicide to admit the real situation. A recipe for slow failure.
>>539262615Damn I think thats ithttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uI24bWcBhxU11:50
>>539263231
>>539263106You've got these all mixed up. We were #2, #1 was against France, #3 was china. In ww2 they also fought against Japan.
>>539263335My bad, not sure how I swapped that around. Anyway, my source was "Death in the Rice Fields," and looking at the ToC, it does chronologically indicate we were second in line. Well, if it had been the Chinese second, I dont think we would have ever been there, not third not ever, and Vietnam today would be just another Chinese province. So maybe we did something good after all.
>>539263106
Why do we always seem to lose wars? Minus desert storm what did we win?
>>539264057lot of people got rich
>>539241063It was extremely bad. The draft was brutal but no one yeeted the draft officers
>>539241063Boomers are gay
>>539264057See it's because you can't handle fighters that wear pyjamas.
>>539264057occupation vs insurgency is hard. Soviet Union lost to a load of towel heads in Afghanistan despite having an aggressively militarist culture and the strongest land army in the world. US has not faced a peer since WW2. Granted you will probably lose the peer conflict with China and may even lose to Iran beforehand, but still.
>>539254088I think the problems were larger than than a rifle. That said though I've spent a lot of watch time with the m14 and they are heavy even if you have it slung over your shoulder. I have a couple of 5.56 rifles and they weight next to nothing in comparison. If you want to talk about infantry guns, we should talk about the Ithaca shotgun which I'm lucky enough to have inherited from my late vietnam vet father.
>>539242782No, fagtardAt the time the war happened, it was literally the most modern war to have ever happened. You literally forgot The Forgotten War in Korea. The classic blunder.
>>539264057A lot of money is more influential than the top brass of a military. Read War is a Racket, by Marine Major General Smedley Butler.
