are the data centers also paying the 500% markup or is that consumers only? I really dont understand this in a normal economy demand should drop after supply is constrained and prices rise instead we see demand going through the roof and prices increasing ever more.There is no reason why they can't run their surveillance tech on old hardware why do they insist on abusing the infinite money glitch.
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>>539247081Yes, in fact they're probably paying more than a 500% markup. They're paying for land and parts at insane prices because it's government money anyway.
>>539247081Billionaires are now customers to billionaires thanks to no regulations, and they prop up the entire economy now. A collective group of smaller buyers like you literally doesn't matter anymore.It's almost like a certain side was right about late stage capitalism but was dismissed because muh pronouns in the emails
Sorry goy, we can't carve out a 50% stock hold for slave video games, local AI, science, and other gay shit. Have you tried renting cloud gaming time and a luxury pod for a day?
>>539247081AI companies basically have infinite money and the manufacturers are charging them accordingly. Consumers are probably getting a better price than the data centers.
>>539247081Memory industry works on a betting system. Whoever pays most gets the next batch of memory modules. I wish I was kidding.
>>539247081it's 500% markup because someone like nvidia goes to a chip maker and puts a billion dollars on the table and says I need 50% of your production for the next yearthe fake AI economy essentially pumped up the demand to infinite because they have infinite cash to buy and build datacenters
>>539246928What happened to the invisible hand of the market? Why aren't there a bunch of manufacturers rushing to fill the consumer space void?
>>539246928Good, stop being a manchild playing with overpriced shovelware and look at the state of our countries
plenty pretty soon - AI bubble gonna go *POP*
>>539247435Usually there are discounts for large volumes, but in this clown market, I'm not sure. There's also a cartel in the memory market, as there are only a few (three I think) manufacturers.
lol @ gaymers who voted trump
>>539246928Santa claus
>>539247590Because they can’t make enough of the chips for the data centers which makes them more money anyway
>>539246928Why doesn't valve start manufacturing computer parts? Sounds like a massive profit on top of their billion dollar industry.
>>539247743Nah, they want these data centers for the surveillance state, not for meme ai applications
>>539247590>Why aren't there a bunch of manufacturers rushing to fill the consumer space void?Cause they've formed an illegal price fixing syndicate. Not the first time they've done it. They like doing this sort of thing quite a bit it seems.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal
>>539247936Why don’t you just start doing it?
>>539247590Making chips isn't something a manufacturer can just start doing on a whim. That's why traditional capitalist principles aren't working anymore. Capitalism was great when products were simpler to manufacture. Now it just doesn't work anymore.
>>539247590china is trying, but understand that a single AI company have more purchasing power than all the consumers combined, literally all growth in the US economy was the fake AI bubble, essentially the big companies passing around money to fake GDP
>>539248058I don't have billions of dollars to set up a business
>still no hl3
>>539247590They're hard to produce and the start-up costs are significant. Not to mention securing a source for materials, keep in mind you're having to compete with the big 3 for access to those materials. Add in all the insane regulations and political shit you have to deal with and it's easy to see how you can't just start a memory manufacturer.
>>539247344>It's almost like a certain side was right about late stage capitalismour side called out the jews who are behind this, their side called us "antisemitic" before dilating an axewound
>>539247948bingo. I've been shouting it from the rooftops but now its become a party lines issue on the surface where magats think you're a lib for thinking "hey guys maybe this is gonna have more unforeseen consquences oh i dunno like the last two decades is fraught with"
>>539246928Soon you won't be able to possess your own equipment. You will have to rent RAM, CPU and GPU time in the cloud. The only thing you'll need is a fast network connection You will own nothing and you will be happy.
>>539248222Sounds like a task for Luigi
>>539247936they unironically don't have the money or the connections or the clearancenot only chip manufacturing is extremely hard to start from scratch, they won't even sell you current get manufacturing equipment, and it's all dependent on the previous gen, basically valve would need to speedrun decades of development/research or somehow convince the manufacturers to give them equipmentEven the EU is struggling and we already have established manufacturing here, Intel had to be bailed out by the US govtthe more advanced the chip the more advanced the manufacturing equipment needs to be and that needs advanced chips, see the issue? even china is barely catching up and they don't give a shit about laws
>>539248242>our side>that give republicans and billionaires full control>enable jewish corruption so blatant they're not even hiding it anymorewow thanks you showed us
>>539246928and chip maker stocks keep dipping, cause people have doubts about AIactually might be not a bad moment to get into itI'm down like 15% right now, but I've made my share before that, so I can't complain
>>539248359letting jews overplay their hand is unironically working better than trying to convince people to think for themselves
>>539247081there is no limit to it.the first to create some kind of simulated "sentience" has the number one god weapon for its military.Trillions will be invested without any end to achieve this. the possible results are too good to ignore
>>539246928>oh woe>oh as a billionaire I cant be the private enterprise>oh woe>oh blow>i better not start my own memory company to get some of these high prices>oh woe>oh noGuess you'll have to keep paying more for that steam box.What a shame.
>>539247081The funny part is that the RAM doesn't actually exist yet and neither does the money that was used to purchase it.
>>539248413so surely the white heroes of the true conservative right that I hear so much about will swoop in and improve our quality of life instead of defending jews and joining the baal-worshipping elite to own more libs, right?
>>539248342Yeah yeah I know all the setbacks, just wishful thinking.
>>539248496AI companies keep talking like they're building a superweapon and yet for some reason none of them want to be regulated like they're weapon manufacturers.
>>539247590The invisible hand of the free market never has, and never will, survived exposure to monopolies.You want to make a new company the produces chips to fill the hole in the market? Too bad, the existing companies pulled the ladder up behind them and will kick your teeth in with their boot the moment you reach for it. They've paid for laws that punish startups int heir industries, making it vastly more expensive to try and repeat their success for what they did themselves a decade ago. Facebook, in probably the clearest example, lobbied to make it *illegal* to do data harvesting between social media platforms, which is exactly how Facebook got its start by ripping profiles from Mspace, but they'll make sure no one can ever do it to Facebook in return. But lets say you clear the hurdles. You manage to make progress anyway. You have enough funding to get started and become a potential threat. Hey, you wouldn't happen to be *publicly traded*, would you? You are? Wow, thats crazy. Here's a check for 51% of your company, set yourself on fire and die. There's a reason why we had to make laws to restrict the power of companies, and a reason why they spent the next 50 years paying a fortune for chipping away at those regulations until they got that power back and more.
>>539247590World War II might be a good example. There was a sudden hyper demand for vehicles and textiles and food and chemicals and everything else, for the war industry, that left the consumer industry in the lurch. So it was basically rationing as opposed to high prices, but it was the same result shortages. But also like the United States during World War II domestic companies use this as an opportunity to gouge the public by blocking out cheap imports from other parts of the western hemisphere. For example, sugarcane from the Cuba was severely limited. Beef cattle from Argentina was blocked. So the result was shortages and high profits for domestic producers. Nothing ever changes.
>>539247344>Billionaires are now customers to billionaires thanks to no regulationsOur economy is more regulated than it ever has been. Billionaires lobby for more regulations because those suppress competition.
>>539248615You can't slap us with Antitrust goy.
>>539246928So make games with 2005 - 2015 specs. Hardware of the era was more than enough to make great modern games for.
>>539247081workstation GPU's use the same GPU core as the geforce gaming variants but are sold for 10x as much. the datacenter GPU chips are ~50% bigger than the geforce variants (RTX 5090 etc) but NVIDIA charges 20x as much (upwards of 50k dollar per chip). and yes datacenters gladly pay that much for one chip. that's why companies like NVIDIA don't want to make more gaming stuff for normies, because every graphics card they sell to normies is potential lost profit since they could have made slightly bigger chips that would easily sell for 10-20x as much. not that normie GPU's are safe from the AI menace. one of the most popular scams going atm is chinks selling RTX 5090's but the GPU and memory chips have been removed, so they literally just ship you an empty PCB with a cooler on it. repair shops are being flooded with customers bringing these scammed cards in because "they don't work" only to be shown by the repair technician that the GPU and memory are missing because some chink desoldered them for use in an AI workstation (they remove the GDDR7 chips and GPU core and put it on a custom board + cooler).it's bad bros..
Trumpensteinowitz is making Gaben sad. Are you happy?
>>539248288>Soon you won't be able to possess your own equipment. You will have to rent RAM, CPU and GPU time in the cloud. The only thing you'll need is a fast network connectionThat's already a service you can get.
>>539247081openai doing a direct contract with oracle for a datacenter. oracle does a direct contract with dell. dell does a direct contract with crucial or whatever brand and they do a direct contract with hynix. all involved only serve b2b customers and the few scraps that are left get a huge markup since the demand is so huge. while data centers pay some markup due to the high demand, its nowhere as huge as what the enduser pays.
>>539247893>>539247986>>539248066>>539248084>>539248222Thanks for all the (you)s. Unfortunately they all seem to be black pills. Any hope on the horizon? Any ideas for how to compete? If capitalism doesn't work, maybe some legislation is required that would set aside 10% of production to consumer markets. I imagine that would be pretty popular with the voters. Maybe government subsidies for RAM devoted to the consumer space would attract people like Elong Mungsk. Given IBM's recent issues, they should consider changing the "B" to a "C" or a "G" and get into the RAM game. Elon could buy IBM and turn it into International Gaming Machines since PC gaming is how most kids get attracted to CS. Without adequate consumer PC use and upgrades, the talent pipeline dries up. It's a national security issue if you think about it.
>>539247081>are the data centers also paying the 500% markupYes, but they also get money from the government. So your taxes are paying for a large portion of that 500% markup (ensuring you can never buy RAM again).
>>539248874The difference is you won’t have a choice soon.
>>539246928it's all planned, nature does not like a vacuums like that.
Needed a micro SD card for my new 3d printer. $17 card about a year ago, now $47 bucks??! Wtf... I just cannibalized the card from a different device. I understand the econ of supply and demand but I don't understand how we got to a point in supply a shitty micro SD card is nearly x3 in $$$.ram is used in everything. We should have a world supply that buffers all demand...
>>539247590all non-chinese dram suppliers are literally DECREASING chip output by 20%. Meaning sk hynix, samsung and micron are producing LESS chips in 2026 than in 2025 on PURPOSE, citing "profit maxxing" in their investor calls. If they all collectively restrict supply, they make the same revenue with less "ingredients", ergo more profit. This is an illegal cartel. Only cxmt is not part of the cartel and the chinese, once again, could save the west (gamers). Depending how much the cartel bribes trump, they could get away with it without any jail time.
>>539248940The only hope at this point is for chinks to start copying western memory/GPU tech and selling us mass produced hardware for cheap
>>539248940nobody higher up wants you to own ramthe fundamental are not in place to protect consumers and the companies actually go against any attempt to help consumers, Louis Rossmann or Gamer's Nexus are good channels to get informed on this topic, even though Louis a libtard and GN is commie leaning.
>>539247743Its noght a bahbble, it's a toomah!!
>>539247180>unacceptable riskto jewish profits
>>539247180>2 day ago, no real date>no link>it was real in my mind
>>539249232Oh shut the fuck up. Everyone is tired of your bullshit.
>>539249076they use the same chips on most things
>>539249232https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/lawmakers-want-us-government-ban-130544857.html
>>539248496currently anyone with access to around 100k worth of GPUs can just download a chinese model and get access to the current "AI god weapon". Or if he is willing to only get 1 token/s could just run it on a 1000 dollar computer. If this "super sentience" ever happens, almost anyone will eventually get access to it. It's the same as the crypto-wars around 2000.
>>539247590Memory is a super cyclical business which even the Taiwanese tried to get into but had to vacate after yet another memory price crash. Its uniquely brutal for the actors, and the profits SK Hynix etc make now just barely makes up for the many, many loss years they had had in the recent past.
>>539249232Youre jewish
>>539249232https://archive.ph/zz2mz
>>539246928It seems like there's a market niche for dumpster divers and scrap recyclers in towns where data centers are located. With a tip-off from insiders on the upgrade schedule, there's an opportunity there for enterprising individuals to get into the refurb "Used - Very Good" RAM market. Any reason why you couldn't use data center RAM in consumer products? Is server RAM fundamentally different from the shit you'd install in your Assrock motherboard?>>539248084No doubt the Chinese shit will get banned as seen here: >>539248660 and >>539248701.
>>539247936Silly anon, you think you need just money to enter a cartel?
>>539249581>>539248084China tried and already marked up their RAM prices.Turns out nobody actually gives a shit about you.We need to turn to home or local manufacturing
>>539246928..and this is why no half-life 3..
>>539246928Valve could offset cost by using their own money, couldn't they?
>>539248940Unironically the chinks, they already copied chips well enough for DDR5 and are selling them, but only to their internal market.
>>539249146Thanks anon. >>539249111This is fucked
>>539249581>Is server RAM fundamentally different from the shit you'd install in your Assrock motherboard?sadly yes, while the ram chips are identical, the sticks for server ram also have a register on the stick instead of the mainboard. Basically its like putting a traffic light on the stick instead of the mainboard to allow more sticks to work in parallel. Those are then incompatible with consumer mainboards. You could however desolder the ram chips and put them on empty consumer ram sticks. The chinese are doing just that.
>>539247590>invisible hand of the market>they used it to get to this momentit's over, johnny
>>539249379What was causing the boom and bust cycle? Overproduction? I imagine that the demand curve shifting to the right like a motherfucker and the intentional reduction in supply has ensured this cyclical market is a thing of the past
>>539249379>and the profits SK Hynixthey have insane profit margins, you are out of your fucking mind lmao.
>>539246928>>539247081its not, its a con made by NVidia, NVidia and the rest of the manufacturers have cut production and set minimum prices to make PCs unaffordable.NVidia do not cares about the consumer anymore, as video-games peaked in the 2010s, there is no need for new GPUs, so instead they decided along with the manufacturers to kill the x64/x86 computers in order to replace them with expensive ARM fixed hardware computers.Its not even for AI, its just NVidia killing the PC consumer market to force a hardware monopoly they will enforce along with ARM, AI is just an excuse and vessel to justify circular deals and funding until the x64/x86 PCs are killed or made a luxury.No one should buy any NVidia made hardware, this is war.
>>539249781This shit has to be banned by the government. If they make server RAM identical to consumer PC RAM at the factory, this problem is solved. You Europeans need to do your thing. If you got Apple to use USB-C chargers, you can do this one simple trick.
>>539249908the boom and bust cycle was caused by the long time it takes to bootstrap ram production and random new products. If apple suddenly released a new shitphone at the same time as a new crappad and a new shitbook together with a new shitmac, all apple fags had to buy all of these at once, spiraling prices up. If the manufacturer however bootstrapped too many factories without apple releasing so much shit at once, the demand was too high and prices were super low. I bought 192gb of ram for like 500 bucks before the whole AI shit started booming.
>>539249744wouldn't fit their long term plan as they don't plan on locking the box down to steamOS, they are essentially selling the form factor and the hardware optimization, not a console like xbox or ps, so it is less likely they will see indirect profit from itI do think that the smart thing would have been to still lower the price and suck it up for market share, but from what I've heard in interviews they couldn't even get the same RAM for all their machines and basically had to beg for it to even be able to ship them at all
>>539250201oh, i see
>>539247461Memory industry is also a cartel that artificially lowers supply
>Gaben served as the sole advisor to OpenAI on their informal board prior to 2020lollmao
>>539250149my brother in christ, you cant install 32 sticks of ram on the same motherboard without shifting the registers to the sticks itself. Shifting all registers to the stick even on consumer ram would have needlessly increased their price by 20% before the boom (now it be like 1%)
>>539249232this is the most outright jewish shilling i have ever seen.and i've seen schindlers list.
>>539247316>Yes, in fact they're probably paying more than a 500% markup.actually goy... it's YOU, the tax cattle, paying the 500% markup through government subsidies
>>539247081>are the data centers also paying the 500% markupin many cases its the US government paying that gigantic markup to get supplies for its own datacenters since it doesnt produce any of the key components in them. south korea and taiwan are making a killing off of trump.
>>539249291>same chips on most thingsExactly... As in why we everything but the absolutely highest speed tech was rather cheap. 2tb ssd for $50ish... 32gigs of ddr5 for my PC was $118 in Jan 2024. The fact the entire industry got up ended without some sort of supply chain disruption is rather surprising. A flood knocked out HD production years ago? Sure... Pandemic? Sure... New industry gobbles up almost the entire global supply? Error Ok.... It's some dystopian level action.
>>539246928It's an intentional decision by the powers that be to end the home computing industry.
>>539246928China already have DDR5 chips at full productionGabon is full of shit on this issueThis is just unannounced embargo of West on Chinese memoryDont forget that this fat cuck also sided with AI tech fags
>>539248808If only!There's no reason a new game shouldn't run at 100FPS on a computer from 2010 other than poor optimization.
I don't believe it. AI just an excuse for a cartel artificially limiting the supply. Even before the boom of the Artificial Idiot, the 3 big RAM manufacturers said several times that they would decrease production. They said this to have an alibi for their cartel. They just do as if it's tacit collusion. However, tacit collusion doesn't work. It would make sense for each of the 3 to deviate. Because of this, none of them would limit production.
>>539246928I voted for it too. The internet and computer gaming were ruined by ease of access. I should not be sharing servers with favela niggers and street shitters.
