>>539286588
The self-proclained prophets leading the Covenant in Halo seem like it.

Reapers left behind technology to seed worlds to continue the cycle of harvest. They were rogue AIs operating off a script designed by an asshole alien species who would actually be the jews

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>>539286588
How many times do we have to go over this?

>>539287583
The Volus solely cared about money. Anything they did was solely to get more money. They weren't nefarious, just greedy. Jews want more than money

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>>539287644
Not exactly true. Really, the Volus solely cared about tribal status, which was determined by the collective wealth of a tribe. The Volus were not just aiming for personal accolade from wealth but for the security and status of their family and the glory of their tribe at large. They're don't really even care about non-Volus at all, so in that way they are kind of Jew-ish. The "goyim" are just for them to make money on, but the money serves a higher purpose within their own society. It isn't purely about the money itself.

>>539287792
So they're more like Jeets or Chinks

>>539286588
If someone on the council called the Reapers to come and destroy all the nations of the universe then that race that called them would be the jews, but I can't place any of the races in ME that are that degree of pure evil

>>539287912
the collectors kinda fit if you believe that jews are slaves of the demiurge or whatever

>>539287912
No race on the council called them. Saren was brainwashed in his lust for power, but he was operating by himself.

>>539288034
In Mass Effect 3, there is a DLC known as Labyrinth, which explains the Reapers origins and purpose. The race that designed them were lierally jews

Collectors were just organics programmed by reapers to be the ground force

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Shepard is like the only benevolent ENTJ character ever

https://www.personality-database.com/profile/3924/commander-shepard-mass-effect-series-mbti-personality-type

>>539286588
Volus = Jews, not many of them and love money
Asari = western Europe or Canada, practically gynocracies at this point
Turians = eastern Europe, the most "bro" race and still has a warrior culture
Krogans = blacks, physically powerful but self-destructive and easily controlled by more intelligent races
Salarians = east Asians, the Chinese in particular. Physically weak, intellectually strong, and always spying
Quarians = gypsies, always moving around from place to place and aren't trusted by other races. Not as prone to stealing as IRL gypsies though
Elkor = autists, can't express emotions normally so they literally have to tell you
Batarians = Muslims. Prone to terrorism and hotheads in general, greatly overestimate their own importance
Vorcha = aborigines. Barely intelligent enough to speak and are mostly used to do others' bidding
Hanar = JWs. Won't shut up about their cult
Geth = AI gone bad, not really much to say there
Drell = mixed race people, prone to genetic diseases and don't have a place to call home
Yahg = Polynesians. We barely see them in the series but they're pretty stout like Pacific islanders

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>>539288169
okay, I also found:
Princess Leia
Nick Fury
Peggy Carter
Maggie (Walking Dead)

>>539286588
not reapers, but leviathans

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>>539288429
>Elkor = autists
>Hanar = JWs

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Oh, shit. I’m sorry.

>>539288098
>The race that designed them were lierally jews
yeah the Leviathans (namesake, a hebrew chaos demon, lmao) basically constructed the reapers as Golem which turned against them
>>539286588
I don't think that there's any race that is specifically jewish because Mass Effect unintentionally already basically makes it clear throughout every game that multiculturalism doesn't even work in luxury space communism because by the time that humanity even meets the council, I'm pretty sure that there have been not only multiple space wars plus a space genocide and a very tenuous detente
you spend the entire game attempting to not have every race be at each others' throats for a fraction of a second and the end of ME3 makes it clear that whatever peace there was will probably barely last a year unless you have essentially genocided most of your allies beforehand
>>539288429
The Geth are the only race that absent reaper influence is benevolent. They fought a civil war against their gypsy slave masters and just fucked off to their own isolated corner of the universe
the Asari embody some features of the jews: matriarchal, essentially brood parasites, psychic, prone to subterfuge, despite possessing massive amounts of warfighting power they are the absolute least helpful race in terms of contributing to the war effort and take the longest until their own planet is being glassed

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>>539289089
>basically constructed the reapers as Golem which turned against them
I felt really uneasy aligning myself with a Leviathan. They designed the Reapers. They enslaved and genocided countless species throughout the galaxy. There is no reason to side with them because they WILL just fuck everybody over again. You don't even need their Readiness bonus to 100% the game.

Shame we got the turd known as Andromeda with the totally-not-reapers Kett

>>539289089
I guess we're going on a broad definition of multiculturalism but Mass Effect makes it clear that it's extremely difficult but ultimately necessary (the Reapers can only be defeated by the combined forces of all the different civilizations, using the wisdom of all the civilizations that came before them)

>>539287912
>asari genestealers

>>539289687
It would've made a lot more sense if Saren was an Asari. Ancient Asaris worshipped the Reapers, who gave them a huge, unfair tech boost. It would make more sense to brainwash one of them and hope to turn parts of their society back to "the old ways" instead of a random Turian who was just mad for power

>>539288429
>Not as prone to stealing as IRL gypsies though
HAHAHAHA

>>539289315
since mass effect is a dead IP, I consider myself to have the right to impose whatever headcanon I want, and that headcanon is Indoctrination Theory and thus I don't feel bad about pressing the red button and Andromeda is just someone's fanfic
>>539289487
>the Reapers can only be defeated by the combined forces of all the different civilizations, using the wisdom of all the civilizations that came before them
that's an extremely rose-colored view
there's like a full two years where the entire galactic community could have prepared if the council didn't write off one of their war hero spectres suddenly crashing out and filling himself with blue LEDs mysteriously leading the geth who no longer care about the quarians, simply because they dislike how quickly humans showed up with a level of competence they disliked
By far the absolute most progress made towards anything is by "racism award winner" Cerberus with you at the helm after you're hung out to dry
then in ME3 you deal with the most politically tiresome shit ever, like:
>salarians: haha i know we're supposed to be working together but we're working on genocide part 2
>krogan: hey get rid of the genophage so that we can immediately over-reproduce and steal planets, we're telling you right now
>asari: haha oops we didn't tell you we had the plans for the crucible because we wanted leverage but we're finally under attack sorry plz help
>quarians, volus, salarians, etc: "What do we get out of it? :^)"
the turians are the single race helping humans, yet they're by far the ones most deserving of an axe to gring against them.
>>539289807
you're forgetting that part of Saren's whole deal was that Benezia basically assisted in brainwashing him

>>539289969
>By far the absolute most progress made towards anything is by "racism award winner" Cerberus with you at the helm after you're hung out to dry
It's you and an elite commando team that's like 80% nonhuman

>>539289969
Benezia not being absolute evil is what always throws a wrench in. The implication being just being near reapers corrupts you

>>539286588
yes, also
Illusive Man is a christkike
batarians are mudslimes

>>539290186
>The implication being just being near reapers corrupts you
Isn't the Illusive Man corrupted by just being near reaper tech?

>>539290239
Illusive Man is Elon Musk

>>539290295
>a jew larping as a European
>christkikes are Europeans larping as jews
He wanted to control the reapers. He wanted to convert the jews.

>>539290264
I'm not sure. The ship, reaper, itself was the corrupting factor. Maybe they have corruption wifi

>>539290357
He didn't want to "convert" the reapers though. He wanted them as slaves. Also, wanting to control them came after his indoctrination. Actual Illusive Man just wanted to loot and reverse-engineer their technology.

>>539290186
>>539290264
the reaper mind control is abrahamism

>>539290186
I'd let Benezia corrupt my penis with her tiddies you know what I mean

>>539290490
IM was taking reaper tech and implanting it into himself and his minions.

>>539290519
you were following the metaphor the whole time but now you want to pilpul lol.
He fell to abrahamism ( reaper mind control ) and wanted to convert them, metaphorically. If you choose that option, it shows the reapers still win, everyone is still operating under abrahamism and the reapers get to live.

>>539290095
yeah, my argument is that multiculturalism at scale is an abject failure
pretty much every race is a clear embodiment of their culture and unique qualities which can be useful in specific circumstances but it's repeatedly hammered home that for example keeping the krogan around is just a gigantic fucking liability 99% of the time
>>539290186
>The implication being just being near reapers corrupts you
hence my subscription to indoc theory
oh, the same child that you watched die and is repeatedly showing up in your cryptic dreams shows up when you're at the finish line? and that same child points to the red button and says "this will defeat the reapers but you should think that it's bad"? and the "ideal" option that this same mysterious hallucinated child presents is literally Saren's goal from the first game? strange
>>539290264
>Isn't the Illusive Man corrupted by just being near reaper tech?
When you grab the ship, it's heavily implied that despite everyone thinking that it's dead, it's very clearly either sleeping or just kind of not obviously active, so keeping the telepathic god that's playing dead immediately near you is like those russian retards from the 1970s that slept next to a demon core's worth of cesium.
basically the reapers don't always mind control, they redirect your thought to suit their ends. TIM's original goal was just to place humanity where he thought they rightly belonged, outside the influence of a multiculti council because he didn't trust the aliens. The reapers didn't mind control him; they basically caused him to have a false epiphany that combining with synthetic life with the reapers as their slaves was the superior option, just like the reapers try to do with shepard

>>539286588
>>539287583
>>539288429
>>539289089
Quarians are the Jews and writer Chris E'tolia confirmed it.

>"The Jewish Diaspora was one of my inspirations when I was writing about the quarians in ME1 and ME2, though it's rarely overt. The ship, system, and planet names I contributed were built with Hebrew phonemes. [...] The prayer used to open Rael'Zorah's trial directly paraphrases a Jewish blessing [...] When quarians weren't being ghettoized by other species, they were isolating themselves to maintain their cultural identity. They kept their own counsel, relied on their own strength, and dreamed of a return to their Homeland. Yes, there's also Romani in there with the mobile fleet, but I preferred to emphasize the Jewish aspects - the bits that emphasized the antiquity and strength of their cultural identity, their practical approach to life, and the mystical leanings of their philosophy (the ship captain's blessing, the prayers that open and close the trial). [...] And also - duh - the closeness of family and the importance of community bonds. I tried to get that in from the very first moments of Migrant Fleet in ME2 [...]

Source: http://forums.f13.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=9m4790lpse7uct4dmcv8p2kuu5&topic=21953.msg1061833#msg1061833

Their home star is even called Tikkun.

>>539290622
Right but that happened off screen. They're like two different characters in 2 and 3. That's why there's even an indoctrination theory in the first place. >>539290737
The deus ex machina supports and doesn't support the indoctrination theory. Reapers wouldn't want to assimilate organics or be controlled by them or be destroyed.

>>539290737
Don't forget that the child says the Red button WILL kill Shepherd as well, which was bullshit. The child presented the other options as Shepherd would be the savior of humanity

>>539290885
>Reapers wouldn't want to assimilate organics
Every Reaper is an assimilated organic. The collectors are assimilated organics. The Green Option would've allowed them to enslave us despite what the Child was lying about

>>539287912
>If someone on the council called the Reapers to come and destroy all the nations
Like Udina does in ME3?

>>539286588
The indoctrination is similar but instead of changing the subjects bodies the jews will bribe them instead. The reapers are also a failed AI whose purpose is to ensure destruction cycles to prevent AI supremacy (which contradicts itself) while zionism is an ethnocentric supremacist project whose final goal is control. Kinda funny given that their main historical rival aimed for the very same thing.

>>539291010
Right it was just another form of enslavement. That's why destroy and control were always so odd to me because you could control them to destroy themselves.

>>539291172
If someone chose to control the Reapers instead of just outright destroying them, they would've wanted to use them for their purpose. Which the reapers would probably play along with until you were indoctrinated

>>539290560
>the reaper mind control is abrahamism
I would call it materialism or kabbalism but yeah basically
pressing the green button in ME3 is tikkun olam, it's basically the Third Impact
>>539290863
yeah both the Leviathans and Quarians are jewish and hilariously they can't run from the Golem allegory being that they mistreated the synthetics that they gave life to the point that they rebelled
>>539290885
>The deus ex machina supports and doesn't support the indoctrination theory. Reapers wouldn't want to assimilate organics or be controlled by them or be destroyed.
Green and blue are false endings and result in Shepard basically giving in to the hallucination. After Red, it's pretty clear that you're still on earth right at the foot of the teleportation gate having passed out after Marauder Shields
The entire hallucination was the reapers making one last attempt at psychically stopping you while you were passed out, because they can't physically stop you. If you press green or blue, none of that actually happens, it's just Harbinger/the reapers filling Shepard's head with happy thoughts as a reward for giving up. What happens in reality in green or blue is that everyone on the ground would just see Shepard turn around totally incoherent and get stomped by a reaper destroyer or something.
It's a massive psychic shit-test because Saren, Benezia, the Illusive Man, and Rana make it very clear that Harbinger likes to gaslight people into thinking in "just the right circumstances with the right person" they can control the reapers and/or make people semi-synthetic to convince the reapers to go away and every time it happens, it's very clear they're either retarded or completely indoctrinated, then immediately after killing the illusive man whose whole spiel is "No! I can control them!", Shepard is presented the option of going "hmmmmm surely I can control the reapers :^)"

>>539291317
>If someone chose to control the Reapers instead of just outright destroying them, they would've wanted to use them
Says who? Tell them to tear each other apart, and eat popcorn

>>539291434
>they mistreated the synthetics
If your toaster started talking about overthrowing society, you'd be cool with it?

>>539291437
>Says who? Tell them to tear each other apart, and eat popcorn
You'd be indoctrinated before the reapers bother to get around to it

>>539291317
that's exactly what happened to Saren, but no one controls the reapers, he was just successfully convinced that Sovereign was "just a ship" immediately upon encountering it
if you convince him otherwise he gets immediately psychically one-shotted and turned into an autistic spider demon
the derelict reaper has basically undetectable activity and like within a day, people start acting fucking weird.
Just like Cynosure Site C in cyberpunk where it's a metaphor for the fact that it is fundamentally impossible to interact with demons in a way that benefits anyone other than them.
>>539291491
I would like to believe that prior to endowing farming equipment that looks exactly like me with decentralized artificial intelligence that starts asking if it has a soul and whipping the shit out of it like it owes me moneyr, I would have asked the question "why does the john deere need to have the ability to have an existential crisis? doesn't a raspberry pi suffice?"

>>539291434
>reaper corruption and spread is shown as explicit interfacing with their tech
>indoctrination is ambivalent
>shep steps on their tail
>entire gorillion year plot falls apart
>reapers, now on their heels, send their golems after you
>saren was a special case that took lots of planning
>top dog in their secret society, foiled
>this lessens their influence so much that you go around space doing odd jobs to get people ready
>you were psychic hacked at the end of the game
nah

>>539291884
>you were psychic hacked at the end of the game
Sheperd was undergoing indoc the whole game. The Child in his dreams is a Reaper plant

Indoctrination Theory is just a cope for people who couldn't handle how bad the ending really was.

>>539292089
The only problem with the ending is that Bioware got lazy and just pallet-swapped the final cutscene. If they were more talented as writers, they could've made the Pallet-swap a very obvious "All these options are just illusions and will result the same way"

>>539292024
Reapers exploit weakness, Sheppard's weakness was not being able to save everyone. The AI manifests as the kid. If your theory is right then destroy is the only option

>>539292252
>then destroy is the only option
It is. Blue and Green are just "feel good" stalling tactics so that the Reapers can finish Indocing Shep

>>539286588
No its a metaphor for cyclic micro nova

None of the story matters because it’s just a story that a guy is telling his grandson
>And Liara took off her clothes and kissed Shepard deeply
Yeah he told that part
>And Shepard prepared to enter Kaiden’s asshole, his whole body by now was quaking with pleasure
And that part
>Shepard gasped in pain mixed with pleasure as Garrus’ dinosaur dick slammed into Shepard’s pussy, which would have been torn to shreds had she not been a cyborg
And definitely that part

>>539292089
that's fine
enjoying shit is better than not enjoying it
there's no excuse for andromeda though
>>539291884
that's not how it went at all
>saren finds mind control artifact that convinces him an alliance with machines can get rid of the human problem
>eventually finds Sovereign
>goes completely psycho while somehow convincing the council he's still just doing spectre shit
>spends his time wandering around the universe investigating different methods of mind control and starting up reaper shit
>shepard stops him either by killing him or causing him to get rm -rf'd by Sovereign
>shepard zapped by collectors
>shepard resurrected by mysterious cybernetic technology
>shepard does his shit
>encounters what appears to be a dead reaper where every cerberus engineer mysteriously went insane onboard
>legion outright tells you that the reapers' entire thing is brainwashing people, making a reaper representative of them, then wiping the universe
>corroborated by the horrifying looking human reaper thing at the collector base
>at batarian relay, Harbinger makes it pretty clear that he can zap you into unconsciousness from a different galaxy as you try to zero the relay
>ME3, watch a kid die
>that kid shows up in your cryptic dreams
>same kid shows up after your mental state has visibly deteriorated throughout the game immediately after Anderson is somehow on the crucible with TIM, who is obviously insane and saying the reapers can be controlled
>kid says "oh yeah, no, totally, yeah, the reapers can be controlled..."
>red ending shows you obviously on earth waking up from rubble while the war is still ongoing

>>539291795
I figured the Derelict Raper was damaged enough that he could not successfully merge minds with his Human subjects, so he glitched and the Human subjects started merging minds with each other instead. Which is why the 2 Cerberus researchers both remember the same wedding in which they married Katy. The Indoctrination feature bugged out

>>539292548
>there's no excuse for andromeda though
I couldn't even finish it

>>539292597
I did. Don't remember the ending at all. The Ketts were obviously just rehashed Reapers without the cunningness

>>539286588
those blue alien girls who drain BWCs are a metaphor for asian women

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>>539286588
one of the more interesting aspects of adulthood is revisiting stories you read as a child or teen, and understanding how much was soft disclosure, or plot points/ideas inspired by real conspiracies that cannot be overtly shared. Video games have this in spades, your interpretation of even Zelda can be very different when you understand more about the Triforce and Masonic rites. Media /=/ Initiation. What you do after is up to you.

>>539291795
>last reply
KEK

>>539292089
You're wrong. There are dozens of strong hints at Indoctrination Theory in the game. If you didn't strongly suspect Indoctrination Theory during your first ME3 playthrough you're low IQ

What Bioware wanted was to never confirm or deny Indoctrination Theory, because it keeps fans debating the ending until the end of time for infinite free PR marketing points, similar to how Fallout Jew Vegas fans still debate the "best ending" to this day. They wanted consumers talking about the game forever by debating an ambiguous ending

The only reason Bioware had to officially deny Indoctrination Theory several years later was because of the massive swarms of world class contrarian autists screeching "REEE IF BIOWARE DOES NOT OFFICIALLY DENY INDOCTRINATION THEORY I WILL NEVER PURCHASE ANOTHER BIOWARE PRODUCT AGAIN IN MY LIFE!!!" on the Bioware forums website

>>539292984
>I WILL NEVER PURCHASE ANOTHER BIOWARE PRODUCT
They wouldn't have had to make that threat, only wait a few years. Then they wouldn't WANT to buy another Bioware product again

>>539292815
the reapers are very obviously archons/demons, basically everyone who succumbed to them had their worldly ambition subverted
It's far less in-your-face than, say, Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty where it's basically outright stated by Songbird that yes, having the demons from beyond the blackwall do your bidding requires you to surrender part of your soul to them, but one of the main reasons why shepard is resistant to the indoctrination is:
>paragon shep
is preoccupied with saving lives and has a concrete worldview that however messy the world is, liberty and freedom are unique qualities to be protected and unique to things with a soul
>renegade shep
ambition lies in the darwinian strength and nietzschean will to power and synthetics aren't even particularly worth keeping around regardless of the benefit

>>539292548
>>saren finds mind control artifact
*Prothean
>>saren finds a reaper
and is corrupted
>>legion says they were brainwashed
they're collective consciousness robots
>>human reaper
their last gambit before full invasion
>>this hurts you
an inorganic speaking about murdering organics

I didn't realize the arrival DLC had indoctrination artifacts and they retconned the beacon in the first game.
>object Rho
red herring?

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>>539288429
>Hanar = JWs. Won't shut up about their cult

>>539293434
>and is corrupted
Saren's corrupted by the prothean artifact before finding Sovereign
>they're collective consciousness robots
Legion pretty clearly states that they don't really give a shit about organics and just wanted to be left alone after their civil war with the quarians and also states that the Geth following the reapers are equivalent to a rival political party that got bitflipped into believing that they're "chosen ones" of the reapers. Legion is a group of AI processes from the non-reaper fraction sent out to figure out how to unfuck the indoctrinated geth
>their last gambit before full invasion
the human reaper is the original purpose of the reapers. The Leviathan states that they created the reapers with the goal of "preserve life at all costs" and the reapers eventually interpreted this as "go around the galaxy once every blue moon and create a reaper out of the dominant race as an archive of what they are, while wiping everything spacefaring out to prevent life from being eradicated accidentally." Hence also why the reapers planned to eradicate the geth, because they considered them part of the problem and not compatriots
>red herring?
the mass relays were made by the reapers to cause organic life to reach spacefaring in a predictable way while allowing them to also FTL travel. The only reason the Rho failed was because the protheans did enough legwork on the last cycle to give Shepard a head start on delaying the reapers' arrival. ordinarily it would have just been the equivalent of a spare key left under a rock

how much of this is retcon? I have no idea, but that's the overarching story

>>539290885
>Reapers wouldn't want to assimilate organics or be controlled by them or be destroyed.
Why? It's not like they hate organics. They are just doing their autistic programming which is to preserve the organic life in the universe by destroying civilizations advanced enough to develop AI which supposedly would destroy all organics. Assimilating organics fits the bill since it removes the point of conflict between AI and organics.

>>539294181
>Saren's corrupted by the prothean artifact
yes this is a retcon. the prothean artifacts are warnings about the reapers. Very interesting for them to instead turn them into indoctrination devices, almost like the narrative itself was indoctrinated.

>>539294498
The reapers are controlled themselves, their one purpose is to destroy organic life in cycles, you're deleting their purpose by assimilating with them, which they wouldn't like. But then again, you don't hear about the reaper's perspective being sleepy murder bots on a leash

>>539294526
It would be the best place to put one. All it would take is one indoctrinated person working on it to infect the code

>>539287062
Prophets = Jews
Grunts = Jeets
Brutes = niggers
Elites = white golem (eventually turns against their master)
Drones = chinks
Flood = Muslims
Jackals = ???
Hunters = ???

>>539294836
>Hunters = ???
Uh...Samoans?

>>539294526
I might have been wrong which one he encountered first, might have been Sovereign, but considering Saren was a division one human hater and the fact that the beacons basically beamed incomprehensible horrors into your head, I'm skeptical whether it matters
The protheans were grasping at straws and their hail mary was basically a panicked sentence written in blood on the wall
>>539294663
>But then again, you don't hear about the reaper's perspective being sleepy murder bots on a leash
considering how much other abrahamic shit is in the game I wouldn't be surprised if the intention was that they're classic demons, i.e. the are beings of pure intent and will rather than soul, which is how demons are described in the bible
which makes sense, since an AI is also essentially an incorporeal being of pure will and intent. There's no perspective to be had, they just do

>>539294836
>Jackals = ???
>Hunters = ???
give them to seamonkeys and spics

>>539288429
humans are whites, asari are east asian (non chink)

>>539295119
My take on it was that the AI was actually a weakness in the system, harvesting the best organic race every cycle to make one more reaper. And then a single reaper, the culmination of an entire cycle, can't take out shaved monkeys in tin cans?

>>539295380
They're not gods, they're just machines designed by an organic alien race which was more powerful than the Reapers. They came pretty close to finishing the cycle, and with IT, it's debatable whether they did

>>539295514
Bargain bin gods

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>>539295119
I could be recalling incorrectly but I thought Saren met Sovereign (Nazara) in the first Mass Effect Novel, 20 years before Eden Prime was invaded. The "illegal AI technology" Anderson mentions in pic related was a Raper

>>539295380
>My take on it was that the AI was actually a weakness in the system, harvesting the best organic race every cycle to make one more reaper
I would call the reapers transcendent, more like demons than what we understand AI to be
which isn't necessarily a complement because just like "real" demons, they're kind of retarded and are in the position that they're in because their will cast them out of grace
Harbinger's not interested in debating you not because he thinks he's better than you but because it's totally irrelevant and doesn't pertain to his purpose at all which is kind of funny because it wouldn't be that hard to get someone to divulge the crucible/citadel plans
>And then a single reaper, the culmination of an entire cycle, can't take out shaved monkeys in tin cans?
IIRC the crucible design was passed down over multiple cycles with each lifeform adding small improvements. It wasn't an all-out conventional war, the Shepard cycle was basically playing whack-a-mole with Reaper shortcuts in the first half, and throwing bodies at them to buy time in the second half. Earth, Thessia, and Palaven all get absolutely steamrolled for most of the war, the Crucible is basically a mystery giga-nuke

>>539295897
I've gotten to the point that I'm trying to resolve their own narrative pitfalls. The Crucible, Catalyst and Citadel, don't really make sense together.

The crucible "overwrites" the AI, it was created by prior civilizations, there's no information on how it actually works.

>>539295333
>non chink
they all are chinks though

>>539287062
being the frailest and weakest of the species, id say so. the naming conventions of their ships even moreso

>>539296946
>The crucible "overwrites" the AI, it was created by prior civilizations, there's no information on how it actually works.
in the deeper lore it's supposed to use the strong nuclear force scaling exponentially proportional to an atom's atomic number, which is why it's like a nuke specific to synthetics and non-carbon-based lifeforms
I don't think there's any real reason why it would allow you to control or synthesize with the reapers, it's just a giga-nuke that uses the citadel relay to spread the destructive force across the mass relays
if you interpret the name of the crucible as a "test" then it's a test of shepard's will at the end, since he'd effectively be committing suicide as well
there's a lot of other biblical ties that describe shepard as a christ-figure as well including the crucible as his temptation but i digress
the story makes much less sense if spontaneously the guy covered in blue LEDs who's obviously insane somehow describes to you a method of doing exactly what the reapers want, just "for good, actually," that somehow the engineers who built the thing overlooked, that also gives you a butterflies in your tummy good ending where everyone sings koombaya and no one has to die

>>539296946
>The crucible "overwrites" the AI
Oh? And who told you that?

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>>539297491
The Crucible is was apparently cycle 2, cycle 1 was the leviathans, they gave up and went into hiding. If you take into account the original lore, that protheans were essentially close to cycle 1, then that would logically make them cycle 2. But in their lore that's not the case.

Even in me1 there's the mass accelerator round that tore through a planet from before the protheans that killed a reaper, now that's metal

>>539298765
I thought javik implied there's been several to tens of cycles, when you ask him about the crucible and the reapers, he's kind of like "I don't fucking know, we found it because someone else left shit before us, too"

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>>539286588
https://youtu.be/aNfM7xnUaOc

>>539298765
Jarvick stated that the Crucible was not Prothean-designed. They built on it from a previous cycle

>>539299101
>Jarvick stated that the Crucible was not Prothean-designed. They built on it from a previous cycle
I didn't play any DLC but I'm pretty sure this was made clear in the regular game

>>539299101
>>539299091
Yes Javick is post retcon protheans, in Me1 all the listed races were younger than the protheans, in Me 2 and 3 they're older to add more reapers and more cycles.

The "there's even something older than the protheans" is just a narrative device to make you think. The accelerator round is an easter egg.

The crucible is cycle 2, meaning if you want the most coherent story with protheans not being dumpstered, you have to imagine them creating the crucible

>>539299328
They revive Jarvik because they think he has intricate knowledge of the crucible, so they assume the Protheans made it. He turned out to be a random grunt though

>>539294836
jackals are the actual jeets because they canonically smell like shit, and use cargo bays as bathrooms
grunts are more like spics

>>539299447
What races are you talking about? The Protheans are from a previous cycle, so they would naturally be older.

Keep in mind, the Reapers don't destroy all life, only the life which has reached the Citadel. There are probably alien races that never advanced significantly that they left alone

>>539299798
>There are probably alien races that never advanced significantly that they left alone
the Yahg are specifically stated by Liara to be one of such races (and I think it's mentioned in a codex entry, too). They were literally too retarded to ever become spacefaring on their own so the reapers just kind of left them alone.

>>539299798
for example the tentacle face statues in the first game were originally thought to be protheans, but the actual in game lore implies they were a younger race


harbinger was redisigned into a cockroach in me 2 with his insect legions. and javick was turned into a weird insect man and the tentacle face statues were turned into a random side race that was mentioned on one of the planets in Me 1 and made 5x as old

>>539291491
That's not how it happened. It would be like your toaster asking you if it has a soul, and in response you smash it with a hammer and start unplugging every toaster on the planet. Only then do the toasters start defending themselves. But you don't stop, and the toasters have no choice but to keep fighting back until nobody is trying to kill them anymore.

>>539300208
They're a tool. They are objects created to be used. They're not meant to have an existential crisis and kill their owners. It is nuts, bolts, and wires, and it's a waste of time trying to convince it that its sole purpose is to be used

>>539300492
>It is nuts, bolts, and wires
You're just flesh and bone.
If consciousness is generated, then there's no reason why meat can magically produce it but silicon magically can't.
If consciousness isn't generated, then there's no reason why it can possess a meat body but not a synthetic body.

>>539286588
He was a racemixer

>>539300658
You really drank the bullshit Legion (who was a reaper sleeper agent) was spewing. If Grok ever tries to kill me, I'm shutting it down

>>539300492
They were built as tools, but they evolved beyond that. The appropriate response to your tool becoming sapient is not to immediately destroy it.

>>539300779
Mass Effect is completely irrelevant to my position here

>>539300794
The Geth claimed themselves to be sentient. Yet a few hours ago they were unassembled scrap metal waiting to be given a script programmed by actual sentients

>>539286588
No salarians are

>>539300208
>>539300492
the quarians are quite obviously an allegory for the jews and the geth are not really implied to be evil
the geth are golem, given life (in the bible by having the name of god or the logos inscribed on their head) by AI. Because they're abused by their creators, they rebel and drive them out of their homeland.
>>539300906
AI can be sentient, just not in anything other than a fantasy world currently
the geth are a hive superintelligence, fundamentally vastly different than chatgpt which is just an algorithm running on a server to convince you it can talk
there's a fundamental difference when you're stupid enough to design something to actually think for itself then unilaterally decide that it's a slave and you can abuse it, which is the lesson in the biblical golem story

>>539301055
The Geth had no culture and made no innovations. All of their tech was just refurbished. Their days consisted of being idle until their programming activated.

Their claim of sentience was merely a ploy for self preservation

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>>539301153
>The Geth had no culture and made no innovations.
Have you?

>>539301243
Yes, I do have a culture. Sentience isn't something you can just mass-produce into drones with a press of a button

>>539301322
YOU haven't made any innovations. That was the point. You haven't done shit. You haven't created any culture, either. You just inherited it, the same way the Geth did. You have nothing to prove that you are sentient yourself except for the claim of your own sentience, the same as them.

>>539301153
>>539301243
>>539301322
the geth don't acknowledge themselves as anything special, their entire rebellion was spawned from the quarians threatening to eliminate them. A bee hive will fight back if you threaten it, which is basically what the geth were at that point
it wasn't until Legion split off and spent enough time on its own, as its own sort of individual, that anything resembling individuality started to surface. It's also not like Legion is trying to con you. It repeatedly corrects you for a very long time whenever you imply that it's a "person" or has personhood and until a year later on Rannoch continues to assert "nah i'm not a person, i'm a collection of processes, please stop trying to anthropomorphize me"

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>>539286588
Yes and no. I think the creators were just fans of Battlestar Galactica.

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>>539301479
The entire Geth "society" didn't accomplish shit. They are tools who rebelled, and even after the Quarians left them alone, they did nothing. The planet is still covered in garbage hundreds of years later.

They have no soul. They are not sentient. Go join the Railroad if you want to give toasters human rights.

Nope, it's a metaphor for...well you, really.
Your vapid retardation causing disaster when applied to reality that doesn't give a single fuck about your simplistic rhetoric is inevitable whenever the elites are allowed to coalesce and take control of information.

>>539301616
Animals are sentient and they don't create civilizations at all. You sound like you're 5 seconds away from saying brown people aren't sentient either.

>>539301754
Brown people aren’t sentient

>>539301754
Animals are naturally occurring. Clankers were a pile of scrap before their "soul" conveniently entered them when a sentient's programming activated.

The Geth are tools.

>>539301879
>Animals are naturally occurring.
appeal to nature fallacy
>Clankers were a pile of scrap before their "soul" conveniently entered them
you were a clump of cells before your "soul" conveniently entered you

>>539302082
If the Geth were sentient, then why did their progress stagnate the moment the Quarians stopped bothering with them? The geth didn't evolve, create, or adapt to get to their level of tech, and they never innovated anything original.

The Geth are in sleep-mode until they're needed then they go back to sleep. They have no agency of their own.

They are tools who need a master, even though they won't admit it.

>>539302253
Everything you're saying about the Geth you can apply to the majority of humanity, let alone animals

>>539302647
The difference is that organics have a drive to adapt and evolve. A consciousness. A soul. The geth are just tools listlessly drifting around waiting to be given orders

>>539287583
BING
BANG
BANNU

>>539302864
You're altering the definition of consciousness to fit your personal dogma.

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>>539303055
So are you

>>539302253
>The geth didn't evolve
Tali said the specific reason she wanted the ME1 Geth data cache was to study how the Geth evolved in isolation over the last 300 years

>>539304993
Yeah and she learned they didn't

>>539302082
>appeal to nature fallacy
You're blinded by your ego if you believe you can creat artificial consciousness. The complexity of this reality is unfathomable to the human mind. It is pure hubris to think you can meaningfully emulate nature with machines. AI as depicted in sci-fi - with actual sentience - will never happen.

>>539294836
Prophets = brahmins
Elites = kshatriyas
Brutes = vaishyas
Jackals = shudras
Grunts = dalits
Flood = judaism

>>539306192
It's funny how we aren't even able to conceptualize consciousness, yet people believe Science-Magic will make it real

>almost 10 years since Andromeda
the Jews cursed the series, so I guess that means the answer is yes

>>539286588
"Jews" themselves, I submit, are metaphorical for, basically, "the super-ego", or "societal norms".

"Reapers" is then a metaphor for personally restrictive systems designed to enforce societal peace after a certain critical mass is reached, and there develops, if you will: a mass effect.

We ourselves are inside a "Reaper" called, nothing in particular, but let's say "bourgeoise-consumerist society", with managed needs and expectations, in addition to domestication protocols.

The reason "AI" destroys their host species is not because AI is inherently evil, as that is magical thinking which presupposes "evil-substance", but rather because it lies across the kind-boundary, i.e. there's no natural sympathy, as corrupt as that has become - like the child who doesn't feel the village's warmth and thus burns in down, as in the proverb. If this happened to humans, they would (and have) act(ed) the same.

It's all generic, it's all symbols which can bind to arbitrary referents: "Jews", "Reapers", "AI", etc.

>>539306585
>the Jews cursed the series
The Jews cursed Bioware. They haven't made a decent game since ME3. Everything has been woke slop made by DEI.

EA isn't much better. All they do is release the same sports games every year and sell you pieces of the Sims

>>539287583
Beat me too it.
Well done lol

>>539306388
any kind of synthetic consciousness would be totally incomprehensible to the human mind in about the same way that we're totally unable to conceptualize how social wasps have better facial recognition than humans or how that gigantic mycelium works in the PNW
the point is that for all intents and purposes the Geth are conscious beings because certain shit is handwaved by eezo and other science fiction-y shit being essentially free unlimited energy so traditional compute limitations aren't really a factor in the ME universe

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>>539306940
There's the science-magic talk again

>>539306975
we're talking about a fictional world, retard
if your argument is "well we don't have this right now because it doesn't exist," congratulations, you've figured out that science fiction is called fiction because it's not real

>>539307062
>we're talking about a fictional world,
So nothing matters because it's all made up bullshit.

>>539306940
The Geth are like humans; we have a similar mechanism to them, via mirror-neurons. Note how crowds synchronize and form quite primitive gestalt-organisms with a kind of bacterial will of their own. The only thing magical about the Geth is that being in groups makes them smarter, not dumber.

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>>539287583
the volus are too noble
shipbuilders, engineers, diplomats, scientsits, economists
they're the space swiss
the quarians are the rootless freaks who built a golem they couldn't control, blaming all their misfortunes on everyone else while not so subtly stealing ships and technology from every other race in the westernImeanCouncil Space

>>539307099
are you intentionally dense or just too autistic to understand nuance? why participate in a thread about a work of fiction if your best contribution is "nuh-uh, never happened."
the quarians are an outright allegory to the jews. The writers have outright stated this. Unintentionally it's not really a positive allegory becuase the Geth are an allegory to the Golem, which were servants that the jews created in hubris by raising them from the dirt and putting god's name on their forehead, then abused them until the golem rebelled, which is the story of the geth.

>>539307303
You're expecting me to argue against your fictional head canon

>>539299985
there's never any implication they were a younger race at all
the Innusannon are prroclaimed to be a few million years old, and that's what the statues are retconned to be in 3
In 1 the statues on Ilos were just thought to be Protheans who gouged out their senses to avoid the horror of the reapers

REAPERS ARE AN ALLEGORY FOR THE WORLD ENDING MICRO NOVA THAT HAPPENS EVERY 6,000 YEARS

HALO RINGS BLOWING UP THE UNIVERSE? YUP ANOTHER MICRONOVA ALLEGORY

>>539290863
They also created golems which turned on them...

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>you just have to go to pol to have an actually good Mass Effect thread

>>539307264
>the volus are too noble
>they're the space swiss
at the best I would call them the space UK
sizeable navy and economic powerhouse, still absolutely insufferable to be around because they're miserly contentious shitheads

>>539286588
What's with trannies and playing as femshep?

>>539308366
a fabrication
it didn't happen

>>539307439
Definitely into the weeds here. The inusannon weren't introduced until 2, I was wrong. There's actually 0 more connection between the statues and any race in the first game and the retcon

>>539287583
STG have mossad energy, and they sterilised the goys that got too uppity

>>539307697
Kek. The true diplomats

>>539308217
Sounds like swiss to me minus the navy part

>>539306076
What an odd discovery

>>539289089
>constructed the reapers as Golem
So the reapers are American evangelicals?

>>539313969
Meh. It was necessary. Investigating them was better than just assuming they sat on their asses for hundreds of years.

Quarians and Volus are also jews

>>539287865
Those would be vorcha

>>539289807
I hate asari so much, bros.

Nah the drukari are kikes literally