Why in the absolute FUCK isnt anybody talking about this? Thorium salt reactors are the literal future and will solve our energy crisis. Why are they still shilling nuclear and other “green” alternatives?
>>539352333MUTTIDF shills always talk about this>spam some hyperbole chyna numba one to trigger amerimutt insecurities>ghost and ignore serious conversations threads>move back to more comfortable mutt spam threads
>>539352474Not an argument memeflaggot
>>539352333>Why are they still shilling nuclear and other “green” alternatives?Who is 'they'? China?
>>539352524says memflaggot.
>>539352333Because its not the first. India has them too.
>>539352333every fucking day they "unveil" some bullshit just to "unveil" it again next year, if they had all the shit they claim to have they wouldn't be mass producing temu goods for europe and US.
>>539352333Bro thinks nuclear transition is held back by technological barriers
>>539352333we pioneered this tech back in the 1960's, although we never actually ran it with a thorium fuel cycle. This is basically the best currently feasible power generation though. America and the west are too corrupt for it at this point though and would rather throw money at meme fusion.
>>539352333mutts be like>Nice LED lig-AAAAACK
>>539352333It's a test reactor and they plan to do most of fuckall until they build the next test one in 10 years. Two more decades
>>539352686China is already using one of these reactors since 2025. They are efficient, and they need breeder uranium processing to begin the initial reaction so conventional nuclear will still play a role. China will probably be mostly thorium electric generation by 2050 while the rest of the world goes into regular expensive nuclear and green electricity. It’s not worth it. Also LFP and Sodium ion EVs are the future for cars and they won’t explode and start in cold temperatures. The electricity issue is solved by thorium reactors. Industry, households, cars, trucks etc…China is pivoting hard and nobody else is following.
>>539352741What I think is funny is that the EU is scared of nuclear because of Chernobyl that happened like 40 years ago. Dumb mother fuckers actually think safety and general tech hasnt evolved in almost half a century
>>539352857They already werk (tm). That is the future right there. China is heavily investing in thorium reactors. They are also heavily investing in LFP (right now) and later dense sodium ion batteries (they already have some sodium ion cars) for the near future. They are going to achieve energy independence. They already produce their own nat gas and crude oil and it will be enough for big rigs and heavy industries, and any other thing that is more cost effective than electricity in the future.
>>539352333Let's take a closer look at this futuristic Chinesium marvel, shall we?
>>539353231That's load bearing styrofoam he's tearing out!
>>539352765Yeah, there's zero chance of anything positive for the people emerging in the West so long as Jews are here. Zero chance.
>>539353059The EU's only goal is to turn itself into Africa
>>539353059Chernobyl was like 10 safety checks that either failed or were overridden. It was intentionally pushed to an unsafe condition by people that thought they could scram the reactor in an emergency. Fukushima is a much more likely situation where a reactor is hit by multiple emergencies that overwhelm safety mechanisms. But such an even is pretty rare. Three mile island is a really good example of safety systems actually working and preventing radiation exposure even during a meltdown, and people still use it to say that nuclear is “unsafe”.
>>539352333ok, but what about the SUN?
>>539353231Yeah these are pretty bad, but I sleep well at night knowing the CCP are going to execute the cocksucker who pulled this scam unlike our politicians who facilitate them.
China has every incentive to lie to the world about how advanced they are because their society relies entirely on the CCP improving peoples lives.Which it hasn't been doing for nearly a decade now. So they're trying to gain legitimacy, its failing though.They'll lie about anything, not even the average Chinese person believes the majority of shit that comes out of their news. Imagine being a westerner, and believing in Chink propaganda even the chinks don't believe in.
>>539352333thorium salt reactors ARE nuclear
>>539353454>be chyna >pay business $100 to do $1000 job>don’t agree? -100 social credit and your kid gets disappeared >oy vey how could they be using cheap materials!?
>>539353818>be amerishart>pay $6million for 20k job>zero oversight on the project>run into issues right away and need double the quote>oy vey how could you expect us to do it for such a piddly sum?
>>539352939ok so why are they building coal power plants instead of magic thorium rock plants then? one would think if this was a great success they would drop constructing coal
>>539353231Buddy, our govt can't even build a reflecting pool anymore
>>539352474>>539352524>>539352650we should all be using meme flags honestly if everyone did they would either have to get rid of flags altogether or just ban meme flagseither option is great
>>539352333don't worry, the USA spent the last 15 years putting all investment money into apps, what could go wrong?
>>539352765Yup. The military-industrial complex and Big Oil / Big Coal conspired to stifle the tech, and they're not going to stop now.You'd think even a half-senile crook like Jim Justice (and boy howdy, that's a misnomer if there's ever been one) would see the opportunity to use his coal money to exploit Appalachia's thorium deposits, make himself more money, and actually bring jobs back to West Virginia. Nope. Easier just to put it into stocks and live the high life off dividends.
>>539352333>Why in the absolute FUCK isnt anybody talking about this? we talk about nick fuentes and india on this board SAAR
>>539353454Ah, yes. >muh anti-corruption chinks They've got a fuck ton of factory bosses to kill if this is true.
>>539353946>n-n-no you!lmao fag
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>>539354838Sorry, I know it triggers sub 90IQ niggers like yourself when you're reminded that it's still a scam if the bridge collapses on you 15 years later instead of 15weeks.>>539354748Damn, a nearly ten year old video of an industrial accident.It's a good thing that spics don't routinely fall into the machines and kill themselves/others here too.Seethe about the chinks all you want but don't pretend our shit don't stink.
>>539352548those chinkese funds are from usury made to poorer and smaller countries in Asia and Africa btw
>>539352333>First thorium reactor>60 years after the first thorium reactor They're a good idea. Shit is more abundant than lead, no waste products. The problem is you have to keep it as lava salt. And it's corrosive. And radioactive. If you've got something you can keep corrosive radioactive lava in for more than a couple weeks, go nuts.
>>539352333You guys know that all the power plants in America are bull shit filled with unknowing sparkies who fiddled knobs all day it’s all antiquated the grid is ran off a central core in the earth fed with salt water unlimited free power the powers that be. Are just charging you for nothing the only cost is them sending crews for downed lines in winter.
>>539355412WHAT?
>>539353441Another shill for the DoE spewing nonsense to protect the SAP industry. Get a job, hippy.
>>539355542he's right you faggot, Chernobyl was practically done on fucking purpose
flibe.com LFTR shuts self down with cool plug and drainps its small since liquid salt 900 degree not water
>>539352333It's not the first one, probably the biggest though. Assuming it's real and works.
I don't care anymore. I want off this motherfucking human world. When I die I'm gonna avoid the white light and fuck off into the void. Fuck heaven and fuck jews
>>539352333Because fuck china.
Why are pajeets so ugly and stupid?
>>539355162>WeThen match me with a 1:1 ratio of this type of shit happening here, chink.
>>539354177Coal is cheap easy high throughput power that enables fast growth and, most importantly, can replace liquid hydrocarbons via coal liquefaction like the Nazis did in ww2.
>>539352765US nuclear industry refused to fund development by themselves and in some cases started to character assassinated engineers and physicists who proposed more advanced and safer reactor types. Daddy government had paid for development of pressurized water reactors because they needed nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers.>>539354615US nuclear industry itself stifled the technology development. Profit motive is hell of a drug.
>>539352333usa should have been building these decades ago it is completely idiotic and self inflicted for usa to be in this position where it is being mogged by China
>>539352674We had one in the 60's but ended development because the NEC doesn't want cheap clean nuclear energy that doesn't produce weapons. Fortunately the chinks and jeets have forced our hand and we're finally getting them too.
>>539352333Stolen from America as usual.
>>539352674>Because its not the first. India has them too.It is first commercial scale thorium reactor. It is order of magnitude bigger than what jeets currently have.
>>539353231most modern houses and structures are like that. it's not just china, it's everywhere
>>539352686>if they had all the shit they claim to haveYou can look up and see their space station. You can fly to Peking and ride the MagLev.>they wouldn't be mass producing temu goods for europe and US.Domestic sales in China are 2/3rd of their consumers. Global exports are the other 1/3. Exports are rapidly shrinking as a share of GDP.
>>539356481>has to post accidents from decades prior to prove his point>erm show me accidents happen just as much here as it does there!!!A sad product of no child left behind.Hopefully with all those flock cameras on every corner now we'll get your asshurt european counterpart the footage he craves.
>>539352333>solve our energy crisisevery futurist gangsta till jevon's paradox come knocking
There is actually a good reason no one makes a thorium reactor it's not like this is some new technologyRead a fucking BOOK you memeflag NIGGER>>539352333
>>539356912Pretty sure the patent ran out in the 70's. That's about where they're at for the most part in catching up. I'm actually more or less fine with them forcing our hand on this because it notionally helps unfuck our power grid. I'm under no illusion that we will still get kiked on it somehow.
>>539358319>There is actually a good reason no one makes a thorium reactorgetting bomb grade byproduct is not a good reason
>>539356085Not having to operate under 30 fathoms of pressure is a huge plus for the system in general.
>>539352333SOLVING *CLAP* PROBLEMS *CLAP* IS *CLAP* ANTI *CLAP* SEMITIC *CLAP*
>>539355162So china has in fact grown larger. Damn sounds like a paradise now.
>>539354748>The fire factory has no fire extinguisherslol
>https://www.aveva.com/en/our-industrial-life/type/article/chinas-tmsr-lf1-fuses-two-nuclear-breakthroughs-in-one-reactor/>In a remote corner of the Gobi Desert, near the city of Wuwei in China’s Gansu Province, a tiny 2 MW experimental nuclear reactor is humming along, quietly changing the course of nuclear power history. The reactor, called TMSR-LF1, is the first to combine two long-sought advances: molten salt cooling and a working thorium fuel cycle.
>>539352333>Thorium salt Didn't Japan just decommission their Thorium salt breeder reactor after like 30 years and billions of dollars wasted? The thing only generated power for like 1 hour in that time, for goodness sake. If Japan couldn't get it to work, China sure as shit can't.
>>539352333I actually gave a presentation at ARPA Summit about Thorium as part of a Graduate student pitch to major DoE program directors and they basically just all ignored me. Glad to see China embarassing them now.
>>539352333 Thorium salt reactors make plutonium as a waste product. One study of a self-sustaining thorium reactor found it produced only about 1.5 kg of plutonium isotopes per 1 GWe-year of output over 30 years. That is how Guatemala gets nukes, stupid.
>>539359795shut the fuck up, tard>Thorium reactors primarily produce fission products (e.g., Strontium-90, Cesium-137), the fissile fuel Uranium-233, and trace amounts of the highly radioactive Uranium-232. Unlike uranium reactors, they generate virtually no long-lived transuranic actinides (like Plutonium).
>>539352333Because it is a Rube Goldberg machine built on top of a coal power plant? Come on, you don’t actually believe they got decent energy output from it do you?
Ha! Good luck producing weapons grade fissile material with one of those
>>539359506They went on a bit of an anti-nuclear kick after the tsunami, just like the krauts
>>539352333We had a Thorium reactor in Los Angeles back in the 1950. I couldn't be more proud of china, for emerging from the stone-age, and attempting to catch up with western cultures.
>>539352765>we pioneered this tech back in the 1960's, although we never actually ran it with a thorium fuel cycle.The Shippingport pwr's final core replacement was a thorium breeder. It worked and generated power. We had other thorium reactors as well.
>>539352674India has only developed solid fuel thorium reactors. They are mainly interested because they licensed Canada's CANDU reactor designs and have an abundant natural supply of thorium.
>>539352333go to bed, Kirk
>>539355185truth. The best they've found so far is Hastalloy-N. That is where all the expense has been, materials research. That and removing the fifty or so fission products so they don't accumulate and embrittle everything.
>>539356682>because they needed nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers.they also needed the waste products for extracting plutonium. Efficiently using all the fuel was considered a drawback!
>>539356912not even stolen! a decade ago the Chinese were invited to raid the archives at the Oak Ridge facility for all the LFTR research results done back in the sixties. It is ridiculous how little interest the US has in its own nuclear technology.
>>539352333Nice trips Choronzon. Owing to the dispersion you are invoking you must let go. They are not building infrastructure for you because they intend for most of you to die.
>>539352333The US made those reactors in the 60s, the biggest problem was the corrosion at high temperatures, there were proposed solutions back then as well to make them last longer. The Chinese reactors are built directly from the 60s plant with the proposed fix, but it obviously can't solve the corrosion problem yet, just prolonged and not even by much.
>>539358588>getting bomb grade byproduct is not a good reasonYou can make bombs with U233 bred from thorium in a reactor. There is some degree of confusion in this thread. Thorium does produce long lived actinide wastes, albeit a different composition, as well as fission products. People may be conflating Th-MSR with the IFR, which would use pyroprocessing to remove fission products, then reburn the actinides. This could work with Th as well as U or Pu; Th-MSR is the reigning meme but Th is usable in other configs, and molten salt reactors can use other fuels. Fort St Vrain, for instance, bred/burned thorium, the IFR was projected to burn natural U or thermal reactor waste.Finally, the anon who mentioned hastelloy touches on something rather important about MSR. The average joe, despite all his chemophobia, thinks of fluorine as much less dangerous than it is. In fact it is a vicious element, and the complications of dealing with fluorine compounds and their breakdown products may make the largely untried salt reactor harder to manage on a utility scale than a light water reactor. Still worth testing though.
>>539352333奇基布里基
>>539362320The corrosion issue would have only taken a few years of dedicated material science research. It was abandoned because the nuclear fuel cycle is governed by lobbyist on top of DOE being a bunch of glowie niggerfaggots who are onboard with Agenda 2030 and killing off a great deal of the human population.
>>539353059Western reactors were never unsafe to begin with.None can fail in a way that makes the reactor go into overdrive, only the Soviet RBMK design can do that.RBMK's are cheap to build and use super cheap natural uranium as fuel but they are inherently dangerous which is why nobody in the west has ever build anything like it.I hate how they lump all designs together.
>>539362320>You can make bombs with U233 bred from thorium in a reactor.Problem is this also produces U232 which makes any such bombs too radioactive to handle safely.
> needs more energy from fossil fuels to build, run, and maintain than energy it produces
>>539362903As long as you don't do stupid shit with the RBMK it doesn't get so catastrophic, there's still some running
>>539352333Too bad that in the history of mankind no chink has unveiled a cock above 3 inches.
>>539352333Thorium is a meme fuel.Uranium performs much better and is way easier to deal with.
>>539360853Plutonium production reactors for nuclear weapons programs are completely different systems from power generation reactors.
>>539359929You can make plutonium with anything that produces neutrons midwit
>>539363359But with western reactors you can do the most stupid shit imaginable or even have terrorists at the controls and the reactor would never ever explode.
>>539363962Hot.
>>539352333Who cares? It's literally the same thing as uranium plants, just 50 years too late lmao. The only difference is that depending on where you live it's more abundant.
>>539362320>the largely untried salt reactor harder to manage on a utility scale than a light water reactor. We will have boiling water reactors connected to the grid that will eventually be century old. Simply can beat how easy they are compared to the new stuff. It sits on the high end of the IQ bell curve with midwits trying every combination of helium cooled, graphite moderated, liquid metal.As rickover saidAn academic reactor or reactor plant almost always has the following basic characteristics:It is simple.It is small.It is cheap.It is light.It can be built very quickly.It is very flexible in purpose (“omnibus reactor”)Very little development is required. It will use mostly “off-the-shelf” components.The reactor is in the study phase. It is not being built now.On the other hand, a practical reactor plant can be distinguished by the following characteristics:It is being built now.It is behind schedule.It is requiring an immense amount of development on apparently trivial items. Corrosion, in particular, is a problem.It is very expensive.It takes a long time to build because of the engineering development problems.It is large.It is heavy.It is complicated.
>>539363962The point of thorium is that it's far more abundant.We could only power the world on uranium for about a century but many thousands of years on thorium.That said there is little use for it in the next 50 years or so.
>>539363962>is way easier to deal with.not if you let the Soviet Union loose.
>>539364871>We could only power the world on uranium for about a century but many thousands of years on thorium. That figure is insanely misleading since thorium is only fertile and not fissile. If you were to count the fertile u238 then uranium would last much longer than a century. Thorium is only about 3x more abundant not orders of magnitude more abundant.
>>539365197thanks 4 info, I never looked into those details so I will trust (you)
>>539365197>Thorium is only about 3x more abundant not orders of magnitude more abundant.But almost 100% of thorium can be used to produce power vs. 0.7% of uranium.
>>539365197>If you were to count the fertile u238 then uranium would last much longer than a century>>539365968>But almost 100% of thorium can be used to produce power vs. 0.7% of uranium.
they built a reddit reactor, unbeliavable
>>539365318
Should've used the superior CANDU reactor :)
It's neat that they've commercialized thorium reactors, even though it's an older r=design. Nuclear tech hasn't really moved in decades because reactors take decades to build and nobody is putting money in them.
>>539355185How radioactive tho
>>539352333thorium was used at Indian point in the 60s retardmemeflag niggercattle
