China banned touch screen panels in cars that substituted buttons.They mandated there has to be at least 19 physical buttons and dials in the car to control the features such as air conditioning, turn signals, hazard lights, etc.This was in response that having a touch screen to control all these features is more dangerous and less reliable.
>>539368579good
asian drivers definitely need this. they've lived like bugmen for so long, they've utterly lost the natural vigilance and situational awareness that comes naturally to hunter gatherers. it makes them clumsy and oblivious to their surroundings and shit drivers
>>539368579As expected.America is a country run by game show hosts.China is a country run by engineers.
>>539368792cringe
>>539368579nobody buys chinese cars.
>>539368792you're retarded, anon.america engineers things.china just steals them.
>>539368792Youre country is run by faggots
>>539368579Touch screen in cars is fucking retarded and i can't believe its not straight up illegal. Like i can't talk in my phone while driving but i needing a fucking touch screen to change the AC is ok? Get that shit out of cars
>>539369562Chinese cars are the way of the future in Europe.
>>539368579wtf i love china now!!!
>>539368792grim
excellent, maybe I should move into the sinosphere and get one of those Baja blast hats
>>539369905>Like i can't talk in my phone while driving but i needing a fucking touch screen to change the AC is ok?You dont need AC pussy
>>539369598This. I've yet to meet an academically accomplished Chink that I didn't think was cheating. They're like if Indians were almost people, and weren't obsessed with shit.I suppose that makes them nothing like Indians, now that I think about it.
>>539370042Its negative 40 and i need to defost the windshield at full blast and then change the heat to warm my balls.
>>539370081>This. I've yet to meet an academically accomplished Chink that I didn't think was cheating.All you have to do is see their skin and you will know how smart they are. All of the pale ones are basically nigger tier. The ones who have skin as yellow as a lemon are the ones with 160+ IQ
>>539370132>Its negative 40Shlomo can get fucked if he thinks I'm going to my wagecage then
>>539369943europe will be ruled by the london caliphate.y'all niggas getting camels.
>>539370309Arabs love cars more than anyone.
>>539368792engineers were the ones who pushed for dials and buttons to be replaced with touch screens (less moving parts means less points of failure). if you don't smack some sense into engineers you end up with unusable garbage
>>539368792this desu sadly
>>539370434I thought his Rolls Royce was a Chrysler 300c
>>539368579I miss when cars had a double DIN so you could pop in whatever kind of stereo you wanted instead of being stuck with what they gave you
>>539368579They're right.
>>539368792>game show hoststhat's a funny euphemism for retarded kike slaves. i'll add it to the list though.TOTAL MIGGER DEATHTOTAL KIKE DEATH
>>539368792
>>539370492only Americans could design a car where a fucking dial or button could be a point of failure. No wonder we're getting our lunch eaten by the Chinese.
>>539370813Everything wears out.
>>539368579HEY YOUYO DOWN HERE HEYHEYNO YOU DON'T GET THE MAPHEY YOU HEY I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DRIVELOOK AT MEI SAID LOOK AT MEGUESS WHATTAKING YOUR EYES OFF THE ROAD CAN LEAD TO A CRASH HAHAHAHA EYES ON THE ROAD BEFORE YOU CRASH FAGGOTWOOPS MISSED MY OK BUTTON AND MISSED YOUR EXIT TOO BAD NO MAP UNTIL YOU DO WHAT I SAYI SAID DON'T GET DISTRACTED FAG NOW HIT MY FUCKING BUTTON HAHA MISSED AGAIN NOW YOU'RE IN A PILEUP BECAUSE FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY
>>539369562Worldwide Chinese cars now sell better than Tesla. Nobody buys Chinese cars in the US because our government will not allow any Chinese (or Russian) cars to be registered. That's why even wealthy collectors don't have them.
>>539370813chinese cars are total shit.
>>539370081I dunno manPut an Indian next to a Chinaman and I can't even tell the differenceThey're all just generic small brown people who talk funny
>>539368579They put all their pointless technology dazzle on skyscraper lights so the important stuff can function. They have surpassed us.
>>539370813Everything that can possibly fail (which is everything) is a potential "point of failiure". The question is how badly do things go if it fail in any given way (eg. does the engine fail to start or does it start suddenly accelerating into a brick wall at full acceleration), how likely is it to fail and how many points of failiure do you have.A DVD reader , a turn signal and an engine are all "points of failiure" (more specifically these mechanisms have points of failiure but you get the idea).
>>539371133True
>>539370813kek decent (You) bait
>>539368671/thread
touchscreen saturation is intentional because it aids in planned obsolescence
>>539368579Chink peasants are too retarded and turdy for future glass.
>>539371324digital shit allows them to dictate how you use their product and on what terms, it puts them everywhere as middlemen between you and the thing.
The touch screen plus phone app cars are unusable garbage.Keeping all my knobs and buttons and switches thanks.
>>539368579Isn't it fantastic we had to go through 10 years of people figuring out the bleeding obvious? In the same society that's trumpeted out looking at your phone = running over a child. That started with the Nokia phone era btw not even smartphones.This is why the idea that we're overregulated is fucking nonsense. They always let corpos do whatever the fuck they want and play Johnny come lately decades after the fact. Just look at the AI shit now, where they started with the biggest copyright infringement case in all of history and nobody did jack shit. Self driving cars is another one. We just have to let them kill people and then claim no responsibility before figuring out it's a bad idea you see.
>>539371018HAHA MISSED AND HIT THE LANGUAGE BUTTONAPATAR LA VISTA DE LA CARRETERA PUEDE PROVOCAR UN ACCIDENTE, MARICON!DE ACUERDO MARICON?
>>539371324The real reason is because the majority of new car buyers are women and brown numales. They judge a car based on how big the screen is. I'm sure in R&D focus groups the #1 request they get is "why can't my car be more like my iphone?"
>>539369562Brazil is a 200 million population countryEveryone buys Chinese cars. Theres more and more ads about Chinese cars.You are going to say I don't matter. But think about it, in the 90s 00s 10s 80s 70s we were buying American carsLet me tell you, Chinese smartphones don't look so bad
>>539371539Meta HAD to steal every book ever written bigot, they're a small underfunded family run jewish non-profit.
>>539368579Based. I hate touch screens.
>>539371688Cutting edge innovation is missing. Chinese phones are nice. I like them more than average western brands
>>539370492No, it was not. It was the financial aspect that made car companies remove those parts. They are reducing the $5 extra cost to make those parts and install those parts. Car makers are notorious for saving every penny and dollar as it accumulates to millions over the lifespan of the product. >>539370813All car makers use the same or similar suppliers for those types of parts. The issue isn't the point of failure. The issue is that car makers just want to save pennies and dollars which add up to millions over the course of the product lifespan.
>>539369598>>539370081>upset with the chinks for copyingWELL WELL WELL
Midwits always talk about touchscreens and modern cars. Lol touchscreens are the least of the issues. It's one of the handful of things I don't mind so much about modern cars. > t. My daily is over 30 years old and my other is over 50.
>>539368579Nor can chinks land on the moon.
>>539368579Based and trad
>>539370132My cheap econobox has heated seats, you should invest in that, anon.
>>539371000Checked. And it's true, the touchscreen in my car died before any of the physical buttons.
>>539371133You can obviously tell the difference by the smell.
>>539368792>America is a country run by game show hostslawyers*
>>539369905Correct.>>539368755Shut the fuck up retard.
>>539372539kek triggered insectoid
>>539369562Have you been outside lately?
>>539371918>implyingYou guys obviously copied our homework. Otherwise, you wouldn't also be up to your nipples in brown welfare leeches too.
>>539368792tpbp, thread/
>>539368792TRVKE
>>539368579Touchscreens are a crime against humanity.
>>539369562Poor people do.
>>539369562outside the US everyone does
>>539368579Good. Fucking common sense wins one.
>>539368755Trvke
>>539368579If only we did the same
>>539368755Buttons are objectively better. I can manipulate multiple controls using only feeling without taking my eyes off the road.
>>539368792Gem
>>539368579>single point of failureIt was retarded from the start, checks out it was that retarded tesla company and their crappy cars.
>>539368792AI take
>>539368579Unironically based if true.
>>539368792This
>>539371841it has nothing to do with cost or reliability of parts. cars have touch screens for the same reasons fucking refrigerators have them now, because normgroid hylics think they're futuristic and cool and will pay a premium for them compared to models without one.
>>539368579>new tech bad>yes new tech badMeanwhile back in reality, I've had my tesla for 5 years and had exactly zero problems with it. Maybe its because chinks can't code and physically can't stop themselves from using inferior knockoff shit because scamming and cutting corners is just part of their DNA at this point.
>>539368579>>539368671>go to turn up the air conditioning>you slide your music volume to max
>>539374036My ideal vehicle would probably have a screen of some sort whether touchscreen or not wouldn't matter. You could take a screen and use it to retrofit a radio and backup cam and then you could wire up a basic sensor suit (not a ECU, just a passive sensor suite) and OBDii port and hardwire it directly to the touchscreen for live diagnostics. You could probably use a Holley Sniper or something and just use it passively for the diagnostics and codes. It's a really elegant solution to multiple things.
>>539368579Another example of how Communism is more Conservative than Crapitalism.
>>539373677>>539368579>>539370813>>539368792What a retarded headline, acting like "touchscreens" are a "trend" that was "started" by Telsa.The intended effect is so golems like the retards I quoted would react in such a manner.
>>539368579Those physical buttons cost money. Filthy communists are stealing from shareholders.
>>539368579won't someone think about the UI fags?they NEED to be able to rearrange your controls for the sake of pursuit of a modern interfacetelling them they have to get it right the first time is antisemitic
>>539368579Just don't buy those cars in the US and ours will change too, no need for ham-handed govt bans. Subaru is bringing them back already, no ban needed.
>>539368579Glory to Chyna!How long before US ZOG starts banning based buttons out of spite?
>>539374745Touchscreen are the least of Subaru's issues. Would you actually make a decision to buy a particular car because of the buttons lol?
>>539368579Slant eyed fucks can't see so they need braille
>>539374036Wrong, buttons and dials are more expensive than mounting a tablet. It's primarily driven by cost savings, but it turns out people don't like screens as much so they'll switch back once it hits their bottom line.
>>539368579>touchscreen trend started by TeslaUnreal
>>539368579THISISNOTPOLITICALPUTTING"CHINA"INTHETEXTDOESNOTMAKESOMETHINGPOLITICAL.WHYDOYOUFALLFORITOVERANDOVERANDOVERAND
>>539369598China is going to be up shit creek once the full effect of gay race communism hits and there's nothing good left to steal, huh?
>>539368579gud touch screens are fucking garbageespecially in cars where youre not looking at it
>>539368671Yup
>>539374808>decision to buy a particular car because of the buttons lol?I chose not to buy a car that had a touch screen for everything because there was a similar alternative that had a more pleasing cab layout, including knobs and dials, so yes, absolutely.
>>539375000This this this. Ooo.....
>>539375051Lmfao, if they made a car with 8 screens in it, but it didnt have VVT, EGR, overhead cams, belt driven transmissions, or turbos, I would choose it over one with no screen but with those things in a heartbeat.
>>539368792Can't argue with the facts you're spitting.
Look at how retardedly barebones a 100k cybertruck is. I first sat inside one and it felt uncomfortable as shit. BYD rapes Tesla in ergonomics at a third of the price
>>539375544this looks like absolute shit. Look at how fragile that screen is.
>>539375271Great, that isn't the choice as you acknowledge, you made up some non-existent scenario in your head so you could go "haha I am superior because I care about engine the most". Learn to read faggot. Two similar vehicles, one screened up, other has wonderful knobs, it's an easy choice and I made it.
>>539375544What sold a million preorders was the pricing structure Elon promised. Of course in this jewish system no corporation is ever held to the promises they make. Imagine if Tesla was forced to offer the Cybertruck for $40K because that's what they advertised.
>>539375544You could build a nearly perfect vehicle, far far better than either of those shitboxes for about 30k.
>>539369562Meanwhile in reality, only Americans forced to by tariffs buy American cars. Tesla was bitchslapped by BYD in Australia and Europe, and Japan and Korea dominate ICE and hybrids.
Tesla is a knockoff of BYD. Musk is a fucking conman
>>539375667You bozo the point is that you are hung up on screens, buttons, and cabin ergonomics like a literal woman when the elephant in the room is things like VVT, and EGR and turbos kek. I mean anyone who isnt a fool doesn't care that much about touchscreens given the nightmarish retardation going on under the hood.
>>539368579Based. Physical controls >>> touchscreen faggotry
>>539369598Cope. Most cutting edge material science research is coming out of Chinese universities like CAS. You are living in 2005.
>>539375815You're assuming I'm hung up, not accurate at all. All I said was if I had two choices, I pick non-screen cans. If you could read and comprehend you'd have already understood that.
>>539376004>uhh maybe if we dont buy cars with screens then companies will make better cars like Subaru who is bringing buttons back. Maybe if you felt as strongly about cars that ought to come with a box of complimentary headgaskets, then Subaru would sort that out also... but apparently the buttons/screens are the first order of business huh?
>>539376057VVT, EGR, are both only used because of govt regulations, I vooooooote for people who want to remove those. Until then if I want a newer vehicle then I can't do much more. I wouldn't buy a Subaru, head gasket problems, I mentioned them because they're reversing a trend without being legally obligated to, and that is good. Do you understand?
Honda actually is the best manufacturer when it comes to this shit. They even put a physical volume rocker with a push button off switch on their screen display. Everything they did was to *MINIMIZE* the ugly display. The result is a retro classic look that actually looks like a car interior keeping all the functionality without the cheapass tablet look.
>>539368579what the fuck manwhy do the chinese get to win so much
>>539368579Every day china gets closer to being more like the founding US while the US gets gets closer to communist china. It's mind boggling.
>>539376283So youre saying theres no vehicles without VVT or EGR or Turbos being made?
>>539376466cycles of decay and rebirth anonwe'll be back in like 150 years
>>539375749it's a company attached to a cult of personality
>>539368579
>>539375904This, have a look at new scientific or engineering research papers and the authors will either have German names or Chinese
>>539376522Do you genuinely believe the US will ever return after a collapse/revolution/civil war? It will be shattered and the new powers that fill the vacuum will do everything to ensure it never is united again. Once the US goes, it's never returning. Sorta like Rome, we'll just have a bunch of states claiming to be the new Rome, till it resembles Europe divided as it is.
>>539374902>Wrong, buttons and dials are more expensive than mounting a tablet.how the fuck can a variable resistor wired to a plastic knob be more expensive than something that requires multiple integrated circuits and numerous rare earth elements?
>>539376466I'm ready for our chink overlords and a Chinese waifu
>>539376711Cause it costs money to design, produce, and install that correctly. A decent screen is like a couple hundred bucks and they pay the software monkeys to hook it up correctly.
>>539376513Are you being intentionally obtuse or something? Am I arguing with some annoying commie faggot who intentionally doesn't understand anything and makes assumptions beyond what I write so they can feel superior in their made up fantasy world? All signs point to yes.
>>539376554I honestly believe that Musk never actually works at any of these companies and is simply there to play a role as "Tony fucking Stark" ass frontman figure for the trooned out marvel comic book community. This is how they are able to sell you literal shit that costs 5x as much as a Chinese equivalent and still think it was worth it. Everything in America is fake in fact WWE was more real then our political system we have right now. Like democrats failing to pass a resolution to stop funding israel by like 1 vote or something everything reeks of bullshit
>>539376843Don’t even bother, this guy comes into any vehicle thread and bitches incessantly about anything modern. Even turbos are not good enough to him.
>>539376814you're a fucking moron. knobs to turn your radio and heater on were already designed 80 years ago and they cost cents to produce.
>>539375544It looks like the cheapest garbage plastic was used on everything. The wheel in particular is diabolical. Shit looks like a cheap toy.
>>539376711why are you anti-button anon?
>>539376711Yes. Do that 19+ times vs some molex connector, a few screws and a cheap mass produced screen for like $200. Then throw in that screens also serve many purposes (navigation, etc) and knobs just about 1 purpose. Yes screens are by far cheaper.
>>539375749EVs are dogshit and so are chink EVs as well. If either tesla or byd was run by smart people, they'd be making LPGVs instead.
>>539376909Dont get me started on turbos.
>>539377086Yeah those one moving part things really are the weak link. Fucking boomer.
>>539369562It seems the US is the Japan of the future. Stuck in the glory of the past thinking nobody will surpass them
>>539376968>i have to choose between falling through a poorly constructed sidewalk with gutter oil running through broken sewer pipes everywhere and living in an expensive shithole full of spics, niggers, jews, and dumb fat fucks that are inundated with lies from every direction and regurgitate them mindlessly 24/7Shut the fuck up
>>539368579This is amazing
>>539377009Usually I despise namefags but >>539377066is correct. Much cheaper.
>>539368671fpbp
>>539376709there are no natural forces that would stop north america from turning into a single unified mass, even if technology regressed. disunity would have to be enforced by external geopolitical powers over a millenia at minimum to chip away at the US's existence. regionalism is a fucking meme.
>>539377066The screens run Java and crash and are as slow as fuck, also they run glownigger shit like google
>>539376909You try to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes, but people like that are determined to double down on being an annoying cunt.
>>539377239What's the cost to fix intractable bugs in the touchscreen? The cost of filing a lawsuit to get the manufacturer to do something? How much do you think "optional" software updates cost? Like $500 at the dealership
>>539377416Bugs? It’s a screen. Not much can go wrong.
>>539377125Aside from the added points of failure, what your tiny mind fails to understand about turbos is that they are the favored method used by modern manufacturers to try and squeeze more power from a smaller displacement engine. The end result is a less robust motor making similar power with better gas mileage. And you eat it up like slop.
>>539377333Yeah and? Screens are bad, I think most people here agree.
>>539376466
>>539377221The gutter oil shit is mostly gone now. The CCP authorities cracked down hard on it after the school cafeteria scandal came to light and executed or put into harsh labor for 30 years any culprit caught doing that shit. Same with the fake rice or adulterated milk all those ceos were completely stripped of everything and now break rocks or are dead.
I just want a cheap rear wheel drive truck.with a straight 300 six cylinder and a 3 speed. No emmissions bullshit. Need AC though.
>>539377510Then you should hate manufacturers not the tech.
>>539377617They need to crack down on animal abuse. Enforce immediate death penalty for anyone torturing dogs and make the videos contraband.
>>539368579How to they define a physical button? Because 19 isn't very many depending on the definition. 1-8 AC functions 9-17 window up and down18-21 door locks22&23 turn signal
>>539368579Ever tried to find the hazard lights in a newer (rented) Mercedes?
>>539368579>touchscreen trend started by tesla??? touchscreen bullshit had been worming its way into the industry on the luxury side for a whole decade before the first model s shipped.
>>539368579>touchscreen trend start by teslaWut?
>>539369562Our government bans them from being sold here you worthless retard.
Norway expanded their laws against using phones in cars to using the touchpad infotainment shit. Which makes total sense. But it is also hilarious. The fine for changing the volume or changing the temperature while driving is about €1100. If you own a car produced between say 2017 and 2026, and you want to change the radio station, you stop, park, change station and drive away.
>>539377666Here ya go, only $30k.
>>539377915Luxury German brands implemented increasingly large screens before Tesla even existed, but the screens were supplementary. All the physical buttons were still there. Tesla turned this into a cost-saving measure, called it 'minimalism' removed all physical buttons to save a ton of money on parts and time, no buttons, no dials, no wiring, just one ipad. Then other manufacturers said>Woah you can cut cost and charge more??? We are soooo doing that tooAnd soon every car became an ipad with wheels for €75.000
>>539377239you're out of your fucking mind. the knobs and electronic parts for traditional car controls can't possibly cost more than a dollar or two. you can't even wash the nigger blood off the conflict coltan used to make touch screens for that much.
>>539378454LABOR you fucking retardand manufacturing complexity
>>539377617The good part is that crooks get what they deserve sooner or later in China. Here in the US we give a slap on the wrist to corporations who kill people, poison the earth, or do worse. It's a Jew's paradise because any issue can be solved with just paying a fine. Not saying China is perfect by any stretch at all but they at least punish criminals sufficiently.
>>539378364>but the screens were supplementaryOff the top of my head the mid late 2000s mercs had their entire nav and a/v stack integrated into a resistive touchscreen. Same with Lexus in the same time period. I think they still had physical hvac controls but everybody just left that shit in auto 100% of the time anyway so I don't really count any of that. All the things you were likely to interact with during a drive other than the wheel, indicators, gear selector and pedals were run through a resistive touchscreen.
>>539378631>oh no, people get to have JOBS, the HORROR>corporations don't make as much money because they have to build a better product instead of scamming everyonefound the thread jew everyone
>>539378631a single minimum wage worker can run a machine that can spit out thousands of plastic knobs per minute. tell me what is more complex to manufacture, a fucking switch made out of a spring and two metal contacts, or a touch screen that requires capacitive glass and multiple integrated circuits?
>>539378690Hey dumbass, no one here is saying screens are good or better than tactile feedback knobs and buttons, they're explaining why screens are cheaper, which is objectively true. You're tilting at windmills.
>>539368579I would do this, ban all but the most minimal computers in a car's systems, and require they be made in such a way that the average man can work on his car himself.
>>539379109Impossible, do you want all those poor shareholders to go homeless? Don't be greedy.
>scroll through whole thread >no videos of chinks running poles into electric cables and exploding pol has lost a step.
>>539379109You know that is not going to happen. A self sufficient man? they don't want that.
>>539379033You could choose to look and see what car manufacturers say and report about the cost of screens vs knobs and your find that knobs are 2x more expensive than screens, but you don't. Weird.
>>539377617China isn't perfect, but you can see it's a country ruled by patriots instead of opportunists with things like the way they cracked down on the gutter oil industry when it came to light.
>>539378016>Other vehicles used touchscreens before TeslaI first noticed a car with the buttons and dials disappeared when I peered into a Tesla in 2017.
>>539368579I live chink cope so much it's unreal.
>>539368579>>539368792>>539376968I don't get why this board wants me to hate china so much.
I drive a 2013 toyota avalon, it has a big ass touch screen. I hate it, I hate the whole car, tons of cheap shiny reflective crap that always blinds me, it's super long and has a shit turning angle so it's super difficult to park. Shit has been shit for a while now.
>>539368792Miggers will argue out of misplaced pride lmao
>>539379526IDK maybe the board narrative is shaped by jews
>>539379316source: your lying ass
>>539379316He is a retard who has zero concept of assembly logistics and the associated costs. He thinks that jellybean parts come off the production line somewhere and just magically end up in a hvac or headunit stack as one modular chunk that an employee on the assembly line just pops in like a cassette into a tapedeck. Ironically if he did understand these things he'd realize that the move to full touchonly center stacks came about because they actually can be assembled the way he thinks tactile interfaces are put in.
>>539368579Based and what we need to do pilled. Also, they need to ban forcing you to download an app on your phone instead of using your mobile browser, not providing paper alternatives to QR codes, and making you use an app to get discounts/coupons
>>539377708To be clear I hate the tech and I especially hate the way it is used by manufacturers. The basic rule is if the increased performance can be achieved with more displacement (within a reasonable size/weight), then displacement always wins. Minimize points of failure and complexity.
>>539368579China winning as usual
>>539379726Everyone who doesn't make or build or design or engineer things should be shot into the sun, unless they have nice tits.
>>539378655Optimally you would have a passive sensor suite on a carb'd engine. Sensors routed to a black box (no ecu) and hardwired to a screen with live data. Essentials like fuel, speedo, tach, and oil temp would be run to a separate guage cluster.
>>539368579Based and common sense.
>>539369598>china just steals themChina improved it
>>539380192There hasn't been a single improvement in the automobile for over 30 years now. That goes for the US, China, European manufacturers etc. They are more fuel efficient though.
>>539379623>>539379685china has jewish bookstores with nothing but books praising the jews and telling chinks how to become more like the amazing jews
>>539380000I'm a machinist suck my cock stupid faggot
>>539375544Screens are smudgy pieces of shit and I hate new cars with all their spy gadgets and gay ass features tied into cloud everything. Oh let me guess, I need to pay an extra $50 a month for my heated seats to work? Or an extra $80/month to unlock horsepower on the factory-crippled engine? On top of being stranded due to some jeeted software update that bricked the car? FUCK YOU.FUCK YOUR $80,000 PIECE OF UNRELIABLE UGLY SPYWARE-RIDDLED BUTTONLESS SHIT.If my car doesn't look like this then I'm not interested.
>>539368792>engineers.i think you mean industrial spies
>>539368579Good
