Many people are asking.
>>539371672i've read that early christianity was basically proto-communism
>>539371672Jesus spoke about money plenty. He wasn't in favor of capitalist exploitation and He absolutely did not want capitalist enterprise being conducted in His father's house
People always use his cleansing of the temple as anti-capitalism when, really, the cleansing of the temple was about the pharisees using the temple as a means of extortion.
>>539371672only few will make it to Heaven according to the bible. make of that what you will
>>539371672he obviously would be anti-capitalist. no debate. so would plato and aristotle.
>>539371672ask your favourite AI instead of listening to neoliberal fucktards
>>539371672He was an Indian-Euro Greekgaylord marxist GOD not a Kike Capitalist.
>>539371800In Christianity work is detached from personal profit-seeking, like communism suggests, but where communism fails is the motivating factor as labour is still used just to produce material goods, there is no higher purpose to it which is why it succumbs to nihilism. For example when you pick up a piece of trash from the street without anyone threatening you or rewarding you to do so it's because you truly care, you love nature and your community, you want to develop good habits and virtues, you don't care about being the servant who does all the work and bears all the cost for nothing, there's a higher or deeper spiritually fulfilling purpose and motive to it which all the materialistic ideologies lack.
>>539372099>ask AIbegone reprobate. read the bible for yourselfGal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
>>539371858>jesus says it's fucked up to charge interest on foreign currency exchanges used for donations INSIDE the church>durr hurr see that means all money is bad!!!leftoids will literally make shit up
>>539372227Where did I say money was bad? Usury is bad, sure. But money as a whole? Nah.
>>539371672Jesus and the early Christians were definitely not a fan of people who love money more than anything else.See 1 Timothy 6:10There was also major theological debate that took place during the mid-14th century on the poverty of Christ. This debate is referenced in The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco (in the movie as well).So there's stuff like that, but there's also stuff like "The Parable of the Talents" which, while it's not strictly about capitalism and can be taken more as "using one's God-given gifts" type of example, the parable itself takes a positive view of earning a profit by investing one's money while taking a negative view of not investing it.
>>539372648superficial and greedy people are doomed for sure
>>539372648You just don’t become attached to chasing profit. Profit just happens, someone will have a need of your service and will reward you for it but it's not a purpose in itself. This sums it up...>Graciously grant that they may see their children’s children. Preserve their bed unassailed, and give them of the dew of heaven from on high, and of the fatness of the earth. Fill their houses with wheat, wine, and oil, and with every good thing, so that they may give in turn to those in need; and grant also to those here present with them all those petitions which are for their salvation.
Did they just have no security whatsoever
>>539371672>Jesus anti-capitalismHe was a jew, what would you expect?
No. He was anti-blasphemous in that context.
>>539371672No he wasn't But he did believe people do deserve break
>>539371672xDDD yeshua the commie..... pfff like hitler the european liberator...If we analyze the scriptures—stripped of feel-good theology and viewed through a strict lens of incentives, private property, and economic logic—the Jesus of the Gospels operates on software that is radically individualistic, contractual, and, in fact, PROTO-CAPITALIST. Let us break down the lines of this distorted code step by step: I. The Jesus of the Church: The "submission and guilt" patch. Traditional ecclesiastical narrative (and later, liberation theology) has constructed a "morally superior" Jesus based on collectivist coercion and guilt over wealth. They have edited the original software to sell the idea that material poverty is a VIRTUE in itself and that the State or the community has the right to redistribute what belongs to others. Why was this patch installed? For the sake of damage control and population management. An impoverished populace finds its misery easier to swallow if told that the rich will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.The Church institutionalized poverty for others while amassing hardware—land and gold—on its own Vatican servers.1/3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq7luvKN2zw
>>539371672He IS (since he's still alive) anti degeneracy, anti selfishness, anti hatred, pretty much anti evil.
>>539373815II. The Real Jesus: Private Property, Contracts, and Free-Market Capitalism. When you analyze Jesus's most famous parables, you discover not a trace of socialism, state collectivism, or mandated wage equality. Jesus speaks constantly in terms of property rights, individual sovereignty, commerce, and merit: The Parable of the Talents (The Venture Capitalist): A master goes on a journey and entrusts his assets to three employees based on their capacity. He rewards the one who generates a 100% return on five talents and the one who doubles his two talents with more capital and power. Jesus labels the fearful employee—who buried the money out of fear of risk and failed to generate even a pittance of bank interest—as "negligent and lazy," confiscates his single talent, and hands it to the one who already has ten. It is a powerful endorsement of productivity, financial risk-taking, and merit-based capital accumulation.The Parable of the Vineyard Workers (Contractual Sovereignty): A vineyard owner hires day laborers first thing in the morning for a denarius. He hires others at the last minute, and at the end of the day, pays everyone exactly one denarius. Those who worked all day complain, demanding a "socialist" redistribution based on hours worked. The owner shuts them down with a purely free-market capitalist maxim: "Friend, I am doing you no injustice. Did you not agree with me on a denarius? Take what is yours and go. Or do I not have the right to do what I want with what is mine?" Here, Jesus validates the sacred respect for voluntary contracts and the owner's absolute right to dispose of his capital without interference from a collective assembly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipVECMJI2U
>>539371672Another retarded random thread to waste time
>render unto caesar>i.e. "pay your taxes"how, pray tell, does one pay one's taxes without trading their labor?
>>539371672>real capitalism has never bien trie-AAACCK
>>539374011The Parable of the Ten Virgins (The non-redistribution of resources): Five prudent virgins buy and store oil for their lamps; the other five are negligent and run out of fuel. When the moment arrives, the careless ones demand that the prudent ones "share" their oil (forced redistribution). The prudent ones flatly refuse so as not to be left without resources themselves, forcing the others to go to the market to buy it. Jesus rewards those who successfully managed their private stock and leaves the irresponsible ones out of the feast. III. The ethical principle: Voluntary charity vs. State coercion. The great semantic scam of the modern hive mind is confusing individual charity with socialism. [ GOSPEL CHARITY (VOLUNTARY) ] ===> The individual freely decides to give their own capital. An act of sovereignty and personal ethical merit. | v [ SOCIALIST COERCION (STATE) ] ===> The State confiscates others' capital under threat of imprisonment.Institutionalized theft devoid of moral value.Jesus NEVER asks the Roman Empire (the State) to raise taxes to create soup kitchens or unemployment benefits. When asked, "Tell us, is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not?", his answer is devastatingly divisive: "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." Jesus establishes a line: he separates the coercive apparatus of the State from the sphere of morality and individual action. The famous passage regarding the rich young man—whom he tells to "sell what you have and give it to the poor"—is an individual invitation to detachment addressing a specific case of idolatrous attachment, not a program for state confiscation. the exact antithesis of the state-run bureaucracy that takes 50% of your output to sustain the hive's parasites.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7W7Yve_ps8
>>539372331Commies hate money as a concept
>>539371858Capitalism is just one person buying something from another person without someone else fixing prices or getting a cut. Jesus wasn't against trade, he engaged in business himself as a carpenter.What he was against was any sort of mixing of spirituality and profit seeking. You don't love your neighbor if you're only interested in treating your neighbor well because there's something in it for you. That applies to both the external physical world and how you behold your neighbor in the inner world of your mind.
few christians consider the Christianity that the first generation of Christians in the books of acts practiced to be the ideal and the most faithful version of ChristianityMatt 19:15 And he laid [his] hands on them, and departed thence.Matt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?Matt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.Matt 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,Matt 19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Matt 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?Matt 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.Matt 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.Matt 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.Matt 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
>>539371672Yes he was anti capitalist.You cannot worship God and Mammon. How does it profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul?It is easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Consider the lily’s in the fieldFlipping the tables of the money changers. This was why the Jews killed him. He fucked with their money game. Meanwhile, nothing in law actually makes America capitalist except the propaganda that insists on it. Jesus was not a capitalist in any sense.
>>539371672The bible is against bankers and financiers, not capitalists. Learn the difference: capitalists have to produce something others want in order to suceed through trade, while bankers and financiers are the leaches who thrive on interests, exchange rates and speculations.
>>539371672This whole capitalism-communism thing is a distraction. Jesus was a Jew. The modern world is controlled by Jews. The foundation of the modern economy is the Jewish debt based monetary system, which is a system of enslavement. We are enslaved by Jews. We must stop fighting over irrelevant nonsense, and unite against the real enemy.
>>539374546it's anti-materialism and anti-sinners. it's both anti-commies and anti-money worshippers. capitalism worships greed while communism worships humanity, pride and nationalism.
>>539371672this is a 1pbtid bait thread
>>539374704>capitalism worships greedcapitalism is an exchange system, it doesn't worship anything. If the people worship greed, the system will have greed no matter which system you use. It isn't a flaw of capitalism, it's the flaw of a society which has abandoned God
>>539374872we can practice capitalism without worshiping it or putting it above Jesus and His teachings. i thrive in capitalism but i don't get my security and blessings (of joy and peace) from it because i get those things from Jesus
>>539371672Seeing as capitalism (along with communism, socialism, and every other -ism) requires central banking and creates a fiat currency specifically for the bankers to steal wealth over generations, I'd say the Jesus is not a fan.
>>539374872totally, but they want ALL easy or for free...."god... look bra... i need a new tv, bra cure my cancer pls, im good person, i go to change"... and god says... stfu and jump to the lake of lava mfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZlLAYJ-ZH0
Capitalsim =/= Free MarketsFREE markets are not tightly controlled by governments or corporations.Corporations are another problem.They are a false legal person (look it up) that is given rights equal to a natural person and privileges greater than a natural person.Again, not a free market agent.They require governments to create and sustain them.All you 'totally Christian capitalists' are hypocrites.Judas Iscariot is the founding father of the prosperity church.
>>539375210the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. money is a tool that we can use both for good and for bad. we can use it to bring the love of God into the world or to share the fruit of the Spirit (through charity) with other people1Tim 6:7 For we brought nothing into [this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry nothing out.1Tim 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.1Tim 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.1Tim 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.1Tim 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
>>539371672No he was a nigger
>>539374269kek. no, just the opposite... they sell their mother for money, what they hate is to be poor and watch others with money, so they created all this ideologic turd called communism/socialism/collectivism/social-democracy/------ and when they burnt this shit, they will come with another shit, or try it by force xDD you know shit about that scum
>>539371672Capotalism is inherently Jewish.
>>539376037so is communism. jews love free stuff, and some abuse the welfare system
>>539376037Oh yeah? What's a better alternative?
>>539376149God's/Heaven's system but you need trustworthy citizens for it to work and be effective
>>539375024>Seeing as capitalism (along with communism, socialism, and every other -ism) requires central banking and creates a fiat currency specifically for the bankers to steal wealth over generations, I'd say the Jesus is not a fan.Capitalism has nothing to do with usury. It's the idea that if you scrimp and save, you can turn around with that nest egg and start some new endeavor which will eventually reap rewards. What's that got to do with loan sharking (or even interest)?
>>539377075or repo market, bond market, the private central banks, the rosthchilds, the kings, the churchs, the popes, the politic parties, the lobbying groups, the pharmaceutical and healthcare industry, the UN, the BIS, the WEF, the G20,.... and so and so fkn on....
>>539371803"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's"commies btfo
>>539371803the bible is full of pro capitalist stories.Samson profited from betting his merchant pals they couldnt guess the riddle with their stock as collateral, they lost and God was perfectly fine with it.Jacob also made good profit trades which benefited his house, and God was fine with that too.in fact at the end of his story God declared that anyone that cursed Jacob, God would set his face against.and now look at where the bible hating Jacob seething commies are at now, sitting on garbage piles lol
>>539371672from what i understood.the pharizees were enriching themselves, by using usury and tax.when Jesus talked about Caesar, he said to give what is from Caesar to Caesar, but he said it in way to pay the taxes. but he destroyed the temple because they were doing usury as weapon against those powerless and famine.in resume if the whole world was absent of usury and tax, things maybe would be better again.
>>539371803>>539371800>>539371858capitalism can work without usury
>>539371672This story makes commies seethe:20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
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>>539371672Econ is worldly Capitalism, communism idols of the modern ageDumb question
>>539374263>>539374011>>539373815This guy gets it, well done
Capitalism, communism, republicanism, monarchy. God and Jesus are concerned not with the system but whether you sin. Sin is to transgress against God, and as man is made in God's image that includes transgressions against yourself or your fellow Man. So the capitalist system isn't evil, but exploiting other humans to get more money is which is rampant in America and the world today. The same people sinning in a capitalist system would be doing the same under a communist one.
>>539378463ty :D, im tired of the nigger jew communist jesus these pos drawand nailed 2000years, the master.... xDDD wtf
>>539371672Jesus wasn't a communist, capitalist, or anything. He was an apocalyptic preacher. Jesus and the early Christians believed the end of the world was coming in their lifetimes. That means your riches mean nothing. So if you hang on to it, you'll end up losing it anyways. Economics is moot. You may as well free your slaves, and if you are a slave you shouldn't bother trying to escape. You shouldn't bother getting married, but if you're already married, you should stay married. You should give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and you should obey all earthly rulers. Because God put them there and it doesn't really matter anyways because the world is going to end anytime now.
>>539376260Ok, but how about a system that would work in our world? What is the best alternative to capitalism?
>>539382331killing all non whites then adoption a non kiked version of a NatSoc
>>539371672Anti-usury. Capitalism didn't exist until the 1500's.
>>539381648>He was an apocalyptic preacher.>Jesus and the early Christians believed the end of the world was coming in their lifetimes.> you should obey all earthly rulers. Because God put them there yes yes, very accurate, thanks for the info wise bro :Dfor me is funny to see how distorted the hive mind is, sorry for saying it as it seems i'm insulting you, but not only delusional with this, its with everything, im shocked watching how ppl come to any thread, repeat 1-2 things from propaganda like parrots and leave, if any anon truth-nuke them, they also leave, tomorrow they will do the same, xDD and that can not change, god says, "don't worry, let me deal with that, but if they come to fuck you, crush them, as i can not do magic tricks and send plagues to kill your enemies before you"all fair and sacred is distorted to pay taxes, obey, shut the fuck up, and listen, to everyone who receives the money and let them do, ... the church, the state, the kings, the banks, the corporations, the family, the elders, the labor union, the social collective... and making you guilt from not being a retard or a pos, xD wtf is this fkn mind trick slavery shit??? ...we pay a lot in taxes and public services are shit... how is that possible? because all the "common good" is a big lie charade to make an easy living parasitizing others, they use rigged laws, central banks, propaganda everywhere, murder, bribe, fines, terrorism, they distort the sacred texts, they censor the truth, they lie on press, books, media and tv, they want to fuck our privacy, they flooded our countries with foreigners, destroyed the trad family, want to delete our cash, fucked up natality with their propaganda, kidnap the kids by mandate to brainwash them at schools ... lol wtf is this shit????... pff i just hope god makes justice, and he will :D for sure he will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u75EBJslsg
