Does it actually work? When you're being held by a cop, instead of "driving" you say "traveling" instead of "vehicle" you say "automobile" any burgerbros here that have done this before?
>>539377074>does it actually work No./thread
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>>539377074Just invoke your right to remain silent don’t identify as anything. Don’t answer question and especially don’t claim to be a sovereign citizen.
>>539377074no, it's for retarded faggots.
>>539377074If your goal is to get your ass whooped and arrested, yes
>>539377074we live in a reality where violence gets the final say. you can just sit in your car spouting off these meaningless sayings and the pigs will escalate until you are dead or in a cage.if you aren't brave enough to physically enforce your own sovereignty then just submit immediatelythere is no point in arguing with government thugs
>>539377074Only state citizens have rights not US citizens aka 14th amendment citizens. But it’s a lot more complicated to claim state cizinship and get all the paperwork and plates then argue with a cop on the side of the road over the detention of driver vs travler. Get non commercial plate number from the DOT and 5 star passport then your set. But it takes some steps.
>>539377074The police pulling you over are representatives of the owners of the land you're "traveling" on in your "automobile"- you're just a guest. Sovereignty requires force.
>>539377074In theory it works but you’d have to be a legal mastermind to pull it off It’s about legal definitions and there are a lot of messed up and deceptive legal definitions that defy their common usage stereotypes. Ultimately it’s an attempt to stand on your rights and not contract as the artificial person created when signing the birth certificate creates joinder between you and YOU. One example is “sovereign citizen” This is a contradiction in terms. By claiming to be a “citizen” you recontract. People will claim I’m a nut job for claiming there is any validity to this but precedent exists. The first continental Congress took issue with the English applying admiralty jurisdiction for offenses occurring within the body of a county. It’s in the first paragraph of the declaration ms and resolve of the first continental Congress https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/resolves.asp
>>539378299*defy there common usage definitions Phone post typo
>>539377074Lol no.
There are no recorded instances of sovereign citizens arguing their way out of anything based on their fanfiction version of law.
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>>539377074No.
>>539377811This is all there is to it.A sovereign citizen could operate under 100% sound logic according to the law and it wouldn't make a difference.
>>539377074NO YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING MORON IT DOES NOT WORK>driving vs traveling >vehicle vs automobile >mfwLISTEN HERE YOU GLOWING NIGGER. You think Officer O'Malley with 15 years on the force and a quota to fill gives a SINGLE SOLITARY FUCK about your youtube law degree? You think he went home last night, cracked open the UCC, and said "gee whiz, this random fat guy in a pickup truck really got me with the DRIVING/TRAVELING distinction, better let him go"?HERE'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS:>pull you over for a busted taillight >"sir, license and registration" >"I'M NOT DRIVING I'M TRAVELING AND THIS IS AN AUTOMOBILE NOT A VEHICLE" >cop's bodycam is recording >he's already typing the ticket while you're sperging out about maritime admiralty law >you refuse to sign >now you're getting dragged out the window >car gets impounded >you get a court date >judge has heard this EXACT SAME SCHIZO BULLSHIT 400 times >guilty on all counts >pay $800 in fines plus court costs >now you have a warrant because you tried to pay in "lawful money" or some shitTHE LEGAL REALITY:The "right to travel" argument comes from a misreading of Supreme Court cases about interstate travel and residency requirements. It has NEVER meant "you can operate a 2-ton metal death machine on public roads without following the rules." The cases sovereign citizens cite (like Shapiro v. Thompson ) are about WELFARE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS, not traffic stops. You absolute fucking midwit.Every single court in the country, state, federal, traffic, bankruptcy, doesn't matter has ruled that requiring a license to operate a motor vehicle on public roads is a valid exercise of state police power. This isn't even a close call. This isn't a "grey area." This is settled law since literally the 1920s.
I don't know but the psyops against sovereign citizens are crazy and even the most cop hating communist is brainwashed to say "got what was coming to them" if the cop beats the shit out of them or the judge throwing the book at them. They really don't want it to catch on.
>>539378829This is the truth but it also demonstrates that America is a police state rather than a country of due process and law. They just hurt of kill you until you comply means you have no rights A contract made under duress is not valid in law. We have no freedom. America is dead.
>>539378829Rules-common law requires a victim for a crime to exist
>>539378829Since the 1920’s When was America founded again?
Go and watch any sovciv videos. They'll usually yammer about how they won in court using their methods, despite having warrants out because they had to actually bail out and then never went to court
My favorite though is that they argue cars are vessels insert maritime law and thus exempt from needing plates
>>539378829UCC-uniform commercial code That’s queer as hell. Unnamed unelected officials that write the law completely sidestepping Congress and state legislatures Uniform -everyoneCommercial-not government Code- not law
>>539378829Hey bro at what point did operating a horse require a license?Medieval peasantry were treated with more dignity by the state.
>>539380211What if your horse stepped on someone and you didn't have insurance?What's to keep you from galloping your horse in a trotting lane?
>>539377074There are a few instances of someone taking one of the cops gun and wasting both of the cops conducting the stop. Only violence works. Violence in the name of your ideals is the highest form of expression.
It works, in that it gives the cops a good laugh and relaxes them, before they beat your ass and throw you into the back of the squad car, for Resisting Arrest and Being A Retarded Asshole. Laughter is the best medicine.
>>539377581i wish, that'd be a nice payday. and then when the chief comes out and says it was because i saidnsovereign citizen things i can quadruple it with a tort claim
>>539381600>i love when my local thugs beat up the citizens they swore to protect for wrongsaynot very bright are you
>lol
