let that sink inthis is not a baker, this is an apprenticeship required to be allowed to sell bread and pastries
>>539400004You are saying it as if it's a bad thing. Also what do you think those people are doing in those 3 years?
>>539400004you can also work in bakery for 4.5 years and then just do the exam
>>539400004More bureaucratic red tape.
what a silly country.No wonder germans are so depressing
>>539400057learning to sell bread obviously
>>539400057>Also what do you think those people are doing in those 3 years?Dancing like a faggot with their dick tucked between their legs for tic tok.
>>539400004Would you rather be served by someone who has absolutely no idea about baked goods?
>>539400076>>539400090Germany — 3 yearsAustria — 3 yearsSwitzerland — 3 yearsFrance — 2 yearsItaly — 2–3 yearsSpain — 2 yearsNetherlands — 2–4 yearsBelgium — 2–3 yearsDenmark — 3.5–4 yearsSweden — 3 yearsNorway — ~4 yearsIreland — 2–4 yearsUnited Kingdom — 1–2 yearsUnited States — 6 months–2 years (school), 1–6 years (apprenticeship)Canada — 1–2 years (school), ~3 years (apprenticeship)
>>539400004if you have abi and do good in vocational school you can cut it down to 2!isn't it grand?
>>539400004germany is a retarded nanny state. I'm surprised you don't need a bread loicense and a permit for that loicense and a loicense for having permits
>>539400076OP is just a fag. You are allowed to sell bread. This is just a job title that helps you land a job
>>539400224>>539400227
>>539400004Sounds pretty gay ngl
apprenticeship is not required there are just people still dumb enough in 2026 to do apprenticeships (outdated system) or pick the dumbest options available there is zero reason to go the apprenticeship route in 2026 unless you really want to be a tradesman (doesnt pay shit in europe for the most part and opening your own business in germany is a financial bureaucratic nightmare)
>>539400004Well it is typical feudalims we had in 18th century. Adam Smith was already condemnig it where Guilds were requiring 7 years of apertienceship before they allowed termination. And noone could work without guild papers or they would get jailed, fined or just executed.We are going back to feudalism really fast right now.
>>539400073except you cant, because youre discounting the amount of rote memorization you need for those examsthe system is 'überholt'but the entire academic system needs to be rethoughtevery kid in school is cheating with AI nowevery teacher is cheating with AI noweverybody is cheating with AI nowwe should just remove all the humans altogether, eh?
>>539400004Who the fuck still does this garbage apprenticeship? This should be 3 months training with a certificate. This apprenticeship only still exists to employ someone full time for pennies.
>>539400004See the quality of german pastries and bakeries to what we have over here I think you guys might be on to something.
>>539400466>YOU NEED TO DO THE AUSBILDUNG OTHERWISE YOU CANT DO IT>20y old mini jobber uni student does the same shit you do without the ausbildung
>>539400536there are almost 0 traditional bakeries these days its all just frozen shit delivered and heated up
>>539400004 It's shorter than that depending on your highschool degree it's 6-12 months less. And again 6 less if your grades are above a 2.5 average. And you can work /sell with out it. Like you don't need to be a mechanic to be employed at a car mechanic to swap tires And it does technically cover a lot. 1. In-Company Training & Vocational EducationThe Training Company: Structure, rights and obligations, labor and collective bargaining lawOccupational Health and Safety: Accident prevention regulations, ergonomicsEnvironmental Protection & Sustainability: Waste reduction, energy saving, awareness of raw materials2. Hygiene, Food Law & Quality AssuranceInfection Control & Food Hygiene (HACCP): Personal, operational, and product hygieneQuality Standards: Labeling requirements, allergen labeling, nutritional values, and ingredientsFood Law Regulations: Weights and measures law, food additive regulations, price labeling requirements3. Product Knowledge & Bakery GoodsBread & Small Baked Goods: Varieties, flour types, sourdough, production methods, storageFine Pastries: Cakes, tarts/gateaux, long-life bakery products, fillings, and glazesSnacks & Light Meals: Filled rolls, baked snacks, salads, warm dishesBeverages: Coffee specialties, tea, cold drinks, preparation, and machine maintenanceSpecialty & Dietary Goods: Whole grain, gluten-free/lactose-free products, vegan alternatives4. Sales, Advisory Services & Customer CommunicationCustomer Service & Communication: Greetings, active listening, handling objections, consultation conversationsCross-Selling & Upselling: Targeted offering of suitable complementary productsComplaint Management: Professional handling of complaints and customer requestsBasic Foreign Language Skills: Handling simple customer inquiries in English
>>539400004What about selling cocaine?
>>539400466>This should be 3 months training with a certificate.probablymost could definitely be streamlined to less than a yearwith this, they should be able to learn the rest while on the job>This apprenticeship only still exists to employ someone full time for pennies.strongly suspect that as well
>>5394006315. Presentation, Marketing & Visual MerchandisingProduct Display: Attractive arrangement of the counter and shop windowsSales Promotion & Marketing Campaigns: Implementation of seasonal and promotional themesPreparation of Snacks & Platters: Professional topping, garnishing, and arrangingPrice Tagging & Signage: Appealing and correct labeling6. Cash Register, Accounting & Business OperationsCheckout & Payment Processing: Cash and card payments, vouchers, giving changeCash Register Balancing: Daily closing, discrepancy analysis, replacing receipt rollsOrdering & Inventory Management: Goods receipt inspection, storage, shelf-life/expiration dates (FIFO principle), reorderingWaste & Return Management: Tracking and reducing losses/spoilage
>>539400057working for a slave wage to make bread. Also way too many afghan bakeries have opened up these days how the fuck do they have the money for that?
>>539400004Checks out. Took me about that long to learn how to cook at home.
>>539400631that amount of material/training is comparable to one semester at university tops and the last one can be cut all together since you are already working and dealing with people you do not need to waste 3 years of someones time with this shit
>>539400317Have you got a better solution to keeping disgusting filthy turd-world uber-jeet deliverwogs out of the jobs market? You should require at least 15 years of receipts paying tax into a country before you're allowed to claim off the welfare system, so it makes sense to create apprenticeship or guild systems if we're not going to use border force to keep the niggers out.
>>539400004how many years of experience did it take to cook some jews?
>>539400773Well, yes, start fucking and breeding and raise up retirement age because these old fucks eat up half of the taxes you pay and do absolutely nothing positive but are parasites.And streetshitters will come to your country with their fake apprenctieship papers and your government of traitors will allow them to work based on these papers, while you and your kids will have to do this 15 years of apprenticeship fucking you over ever more.You commies never learn that every shingle "raise this, regulate this and that" ends up fucking you even more than anyone else.
>>539400004Let the Mohammed's sell pastries right away
>>539400004Sure, but after only 3 years you'll be rolling in dough!
>>539400733they just don’t pay tax. Can you imagine an afghan bakery declaring everything they sell? Maximum things bought with card transactions, but fortunately many people use cash in germany. This cash payments are literal paradise for small business, that is why all those kebabs and barbershops are prospering.
>>539401037you basically have +25% or more profit if half of the clients payed in cash
>>539400004
>>5394007673 years isnt a waste when youre a baker for life. You just want to play at being a baker. Youre not a serious person.
>>539400773All that led to here was natives getting pushed out by people willing to work off the books without any training or certs. Blue collar workers will ignore it, white collar workers will transfer their Totally Real degree from Bahrat University and maybe do a year or two of makeup work to be certified. Or my favorite, get hired by ethnic manager on a probationary period for the first job while "getting" it, never do and the next job assumes it was done All of our systems are being used to disenfranchise us.
>>539401037>that is why all those kebabs and barbershops are prospering.they arent no one is anymore. small to midsize businesses are being wiped out since corona and the few who survived are being buck broken by the energy costs and bureaucracy
>>539400004.
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>>539401119>3 years isnt a waste when youre a baker for lifebaker salesman retard there is no real baking involved that trade is non existent these days. they are learning to heat up frozen goods and run the cash register for three years
>>539400605frozen bread is ultra jewishevery boomer golem freezes their wonder bread and then acts like it's a favor when they take it out for you
>>539400004Its not just bread and pastries, we had a Swiss baker back in the tiny town I used to live in for a couple years. She would live here for half the year, then go back there for the other I forget which was which. She picked summer in one country and winter in another. Anyways, her tiny little bakery had the absolute best Berliner donuts and raspberry custard tarts and almond and chocolate croissants and different things. The top thing she made was called "Kirsche-Amaretti" and it was like a cookie, dipped in chocolate with cherry brandy and meringue or something. The cookie was soft and sort of sticky in being chewy if I recall. Its specialist pastries. Not any nigger can just come off the street and do the right number of folds for a croissant etc, you cant teach a nigger to make Macarons in like 1 hour.
>>539401341thats a completely different type of apprenticeship and actually teaches you a skill
>>539400224??ofc you need a Meister license to open up your bakery
>>539400073To sell pasteries lmao wtf
>>539401402She was just Swiss herself, not like she went there for training you disgusting presumptive jeet.
>>539400004 not a bad thing desu. Bakeries in Germany are highly profitable since the boomers still love them. Unfortunately it’s hard to find people that are willing to be bakers, since the job sucks ass. You need to wake up too early, baking is though, and you need to be polite to all the boomers getting your overpriced stuff. In three years you learn how to operate a bakery business, do good pastries, and get a routine. Plus what businesses does not like a wage slave. Especially a little 17 year hottie. There is a reason countries with good bread/pastries value baking as a craft and not a simple certificate. That’s how you stop faggot fulfilling there faggot Barbie dream and have a faggot ass French bakery in Stuttgart Mitte
>>539401530the modern german mindset has no ambition
>>539401593>You need to wake up too early, baking is though, and you need to be polite to all the boomers getting your overpriced stuffBaking and selling? yeah that's tough but most don't do that, you put friendly girls to sell the bread while the bucks work the kitchen early in the morning, you just give the cheap hands of the afternoon shift orders how to bake the second trays at noon.
Warum gehst du nicht zu Onkel Werner in die Werkstatt? Der gibt dir 'ne Festanstellung (wenn du ihn darum bittest)
>>539401119and how do you know itll not all end up super automated in three years?this isnt the 1920s, where those laws and regulations were set up, this 100 years later
>>539400057Let me tell our american friends about the scam of germoid forced apprenticeship before you are allowed to work.I was learning to become a plumbing apprentice a decade ago before going to college and making 4 times as muh as I would have after 4 years of apprenticeship:You make 450 euro cirst year, 510 second and 560 third. This is fully taxed, so my take home was about 310, of which 100 went to my train ticket to go to work. The rest went to paying rent to my boomer parent. Work started every day at 7 AM, but they expect apprentices to show up 30 minutes early to sweep the floor. Every single day I was carted to random construction sites or houses needing renovations where I did no plumbing work but was instead just breaking down walls and ripping out old toilets, sinks and bathrooms, most of which had to be broken down on sight with hammers. Doing this 9 hours a day is gruesome work and I blew out my back twice farmer's walking bucketloads of concrete rubble from floor 12 to the truck. Not to mention trying to haul massive, long radiators up ancient staircases. Heaters too. Does not help that the low IQ trash working these jobs will do everything in their power to skirt work and have you do all of it.There is also NO MONEY in this field. EVERYONE working for companies just tries to chat up the customer to get a blackmarket side project so neither side has to pay the company profit markup plus 70% tax.
>>539401748Had really good pastries in Mexico City. Do you operate a bakery? Getting additional labor is hard in Germany. You pay way too much for them, there are reliability issues and most Germans do not want to work since Bürgergeld and gay.
>>539401828giga based
>>539401896>chat up the customer to get a blackmarket side project so neither side has to pay the company profit markup plus 70% tax.there you go. thats the job. thats where some money is.
>>539401896 as a young dude without any skills and good legs what are you supposed to do? As if they will give you the Wasserpumpenzange. No carry, clean and fetch beer, cigarettes and Leberkäse for the guys. Plus if a company does it you pay 100% more for bullshit quality. Nonetheless being a plumber stills makes you earn a decent living even without counting in the Schwarzarbeit.
>>539400004how many years does it take to be a nigger who gets free everything and can commit crimme?
>>539401943>Had really good pastries in Mexico CityI haven't, everything i ate there sucks in terms of bread and pastries were grossly overpriced, at least for my particular cultural tastes because up north we like sweet bread differently.>Do you operate a bakery?Worked as cheap hand or "apprentice" as you call them in Europe, operated the spiral mixer and the dry oven and got "graduated" to fillings and toppings but i wasn't very quick because i was a fag about putting the bavarois evenly inside some products so got demoted into oven-mixer and also making the softs with the other mixers. It's a tough job for a single person, i don't find it possible unless the volume is very small or you focus on a single dough type with limited sides. We were a small place and still had 3 dudes in the ovens and 2 at the front, we were mid-price but because we had vegan-AIDS specialties we had an extra guy who knew his shit and did his own stuff so normally it would be 2+2 workers.>Getting additional labor is hard in GermanyHere a side helper is considered a high school-college job or deadbeat/unlucky monkey one, my case is the latter, worked in 2023 and was paid 7.5k pesos (370~ euro) a month, 2 breads a day, 51-hour weeks. 4am check-in which was okay by me but the chief baker was an asshole so i called my deadline and left somewhat friendly. No requirements at all aside from a particular appeal to always be on time.>there are reliability issuesThat's where the chief baker comes in, rotation in such a job here is very common so the guy needs to give precise orders and also not be a faggot about certain things. Like most people say here, you quit the boss not the job, in my opinion they "needed" one of the bakers to be a perpetual caretaker which sounds needless but that's the price of paying pennies to the oven jockey.>most Germans do not want to workThat's also the price of vilifying trade jobs and giving money for free. Barbie was invented to combat this.
>>539400004now, for our American viewers, tell us about waiters.
>>539402748>It's a tough job for a single personI meant being The Baker aka mixer, filling/topping maker, oven jockey, decorator and salesman inside the same place.My job was somewhat easy but baker can eat a bag of dicks, the kind of guy who calls you by the name of some dude who was there months ago and belittles you about mishaps done by someone else.
German bread is disgusting. They'll take a piece of rock hard bread and throw some sausage on it and call it a meal. They train 3 years for that LOL
>>539400004Well whatever they're doing it works, German bread is great. French bread is a psyop
>>539400004Three years is not nearly long enough to learn all the different type of bread we have
>>539400004You disgusting non-Germans don't even have a proper word for Brötchen, so fuck off with your worthless opinions.
>>539402948>rock hardmaybe dont leave it out for 2 weeks
>>539402748Barbie was not invented. The US Jews that founded Mattel unironically stole the idea from the German Bild Lilli doll. The trade job thing is a phenomenon added later to seem more progressive.But yeah. I can guess that the wages in Mexico are far from liveable. Sorry to hear about the demotion in Europe and the experiences with asshole bosses. What made you go back home?And how high was the number of costumers at that place you worked in Europe?
>>539400733>how the fuck do they have the money for that?Leftards are giving them money
>>539400004americans make black forest cake with icing sugar, tells you everything.
>>539401896My experience of tradesmen is there is a kind of standoff going on.The tradesman wants huge money to work. €200 an hour for example while I make €50 an hour with a masters degree.I wont pay them and im pretty sure they just refuse to work. So im learning to be handy.
>>539400004OP is a retard baiting, you can be a saleman for a bakery without a degree, but you need one if you want to make them so you make more money or open your own bakery
>>539400004German overengineering doesn't just stop with their cars. The average German has to pay over €4000 for their driving licence. That's more than I paid for my light-sport aircraft pilot licence here! Then you look into why that is and you find out they take on average over 40 driving lessons, instead of like 10-20 anywhere else. Because they need to have the SONDERFAHRTEN, those are X number of mandatory hours at night, on the autobahn etc. that already take up countless hours. After that they probably get scammed by their driving instructor who won't let them take the exam. Taking free driving lessons with your parents to gain experience like in any other country? Of course not, don't be silly.But surely that makes them the best drivers? With the safest roads in the world? Wrong again, people in places like the Netherlands, Britain or Scandinavia drive significantly better. It's all a giant charade. The competent people who get things done have left the country a long time ago.
>>539400057that job takes two fucking days to learn, maybe three.the only reason there's an apprenticeship is so that the company can get away with paying you peanuts for 3 years and exploit you as slave labor.
>>539400004its stupid shit like this that I never bothered with apprenticeships or wagecucking.wagecucking truly is for the stupid.
>>539400004No different than canada with our red seal apprenticeship program, you need 5000 hours under a red seal baker or have a vocational school sponsor you, then you need to do a practicum and write a 200 multiple choice test per level>t. red seal baker and cook
>>539400004Germans are so stupid lmao they need the government to wipe their asses
The German apprentice/journeyman/master system still revolves around educating and training a person to truly excel at their craft and reach the standard of quality that "made in Germany" was once renowned for. This isn't kosher in a world where gentiles should be uneducated imbecile peons who should just do gig work mindlessly following instructions to earn even less money than a German apprentice would. Hence it becomes necessary to have this thread. Gentiles need to learn their place and stop trying to stay masters of anything.
>>539400004Vor 10 Jahren war jegliche Kritik an den Arbeitsmarkt pure Gotteslästerung des höchsten Grades.Arno hat's gewusst.Und ihr habt gelacht.
>>539410791This isn't even for a plumber or mechanic it's to sell, not make, some fucking bread. Three years of legalized slave labour on the same level as unpaid internships
>>539400004Bread is a serious business.
>>539400631>>539400700This can be compressed into one year;one and a half tops.Most of it could be taught via afternoon/evening online courses anyway.
>>539401119salesman, not bakerman!salesman ain't baking bread!you dumb fuck
>>539405585>Sorry to hear about the demotion in Europe and the experiences with asshole bosseswut, i think i wrote everything wrong, that job and the cocksucker boss was all here, i always worked the food jobs here although i did my fair share of travelling. The comparison i made was a reply to the wage thing, in Germany even the helpers seem to need a technician-level training to get the official job while here it is seen as menial and underclass work, even by the bakers themselves, hence the low wages and inexistent affiliation to any pension or social security system.But close family did live in Germany (Frankfurt) and they came back because they got offered big money here and in one case my cousin missed his mom because he almost died alone of pneumonia far away. Also he disliked his living area, Siemens gave him an apartment in some turk-dense area.If i had a job in Europe i sure as hell would've not came back until i had bank or didn't get a cute gf.
>>539401180cute
>>539400319>we should just remove all the humans altogether, eh?I've been saying this for decades. Humans ruin everything.
>>539409311okay but>it takes 3 years for a German to learn how to make breadisn't much better
>>539400004>PSAlet AI redpill you that this is not the same apprenticeship as a BAKER.
>>539400004If you don't waste your life running after a paper for three years, you are absolutely nothing in Germany.Barely human.And even if it's for a job, that nets you even less money than picking up trash for minimum wage.Germany is also the only country, where when the officials and lawyers ask about your occupation, you must actually tell them what is written on the paper you were chasing for 3 years, NOT what your actual job is right now.I think Germany is unique in this sort of retardation.
>>539412269We're some kind of special, OK!?
there are too many jobs that dont pay enough to make a living anymore. right now there are bakeries in the middle of dresden that had to close because 0 people are applying for a stand 8 hours per day for min-wage job. threads like this confirm theyre min wage jobs. no one. absolutely no one needs more than 2 weeks to learn how to sell everything a bakery has to offer. the 3 year thing is just a scam. an artificial hierarchy that germany loves. boomer economics holy grail is to pay everyone as little as possible. thats also why they love immigrants so much. however you cant dump immigrants into service jobs when they dont speak the fucking language. boomer economics are anti logic. you cant build an economy from paying everyone as little as possible while also trying to remove money from peoples pocket as hard as possible. you cant make money with goys if the goys have 0. the money needs to change hands as much as possible and not get funneled into big jew bags
>>539412269>Germany is also the only country, where when the officials and lawyers ask about your occupation, you must actually tell them what is written on the paper you were chasing for 3 years, NOT what your actual job is right now.never heard about that. source?
>>539400057It is a bad thing.Technically this glorified cashier is on the same level as the baker who actually has skills and can produce things, an electrician or a mechanic.
>>539400004It takes three months to be a cop in the U.S. only after they confirm you have a room temperature IQ. Anything more than retard-level they deny you. The Supreme Court just affirmed this last week
>>539400004That's not true if you're brown you can start instantly, bonus if you have shit residue on your hands
>>539400057Coprophilia
>>539400004ok now show us all the headlines from the usa that youre ignoring that prove germany is yet again completely correct for its ways.
>>539400004The amount of red tape and bureaucracy in Europe has made its businesses and economy utterly uncompetitive. Your entire continent is falling into the same trap America did in the 90s. You basically made your own domestic production too expensive via artificial bullshit, then formed trade pacts with China. What's the end result of that going to be? Oh, right. 100% of your industry evaporating and all of you becoming debt slaves with no jobs.
>>539414078My encounter last week.A lawyer asked me for my occupation (there was an accident at the place I worked in).I sell Getränke im Getränkemarkt here.He rolled with his eyes and asked again about my occupation (Beruf?).I rephrased it, and then he asked if I was being stupid on purpose.Steinmetz was the right answer, even though I do not practice it for 7 years now, but I completed an Ausbildung for it.
>>539400004We don't do that in the United Kingdom
>>539410791buddy, most companies abuse this system, they hire someone for cheap for 3 years to do worthless shit, then kick him outt. i did this shit in an office, so atleast i was a quasi neet, but i could have saved the 2,5 years and just done university immediatelybtw the apprenticeship does not count as work experience, so if you get kicked out after its finished, you are basically on the same level as a NEET who did nothing but collecting bürgi lmfao
>>539400057Following recipes is not a skilled trade
>>539414537damn bro, why did you quitt the steinmetzing in favor of waging in a Getränkemarkt? I used to job in one during School and it sucked desu. Best thing was getting drunk with the Ausländer Coworkers during Lunch kek
>>539400004After having a real French baguette, I can see why. Our food is garbage compared to what our euro cousins enjoy.
>>539400004>Why do you let people select a profession without squeezing them for unpaid labor and forcing them to wrestle with an inane ridiculous bureaucracy? We don't do that in GERMANY.
>>539415433Because while it sounds awesome in theory, you are basically only working at graveyards, carrying huge stones around, without helping machinery because some graveyards competed who can be the narrowest of them all.By 25 my knees didn't exist anymore, and my spine was playing World Trade Center. It still kinda does, but the second plane hasn't come yet.
>>539400004>"muh licensing scheme"How long does it take to be allowed by your government to perform a simple massage or haircut?What are you even arguing faglord?
>>539415891hope you get bet better man. my advive to you: just ride the NEET-Train until all this shit here goes down in flames.
>>539400004Apprenticeships are absolutely disgusting medieval exploitation-scams
>>539416618I would, but rent does not pay itself.And Amt already told me that in case of unemployment, they won't lose much sleep at night if I end up in the streets because of it.
>>539400004if you're 16 years old yea
>>539400104but will they know a Ruisleipä
