What are your political views on Greek philosophy?
>>539418350All Greek philosophy is piss and shit compared to the Hebrew bible
>>539418350They would have been friends of Jesus.
The only reason the Greeks won (or the Persians before them) with their huge empire was because they were Aryan, while the Jews and the Egyptians were niggers.Greek philosophy itself is sophistry, homosexualism, and vanity. It's for iddiots.
>>539418457Christianism is a product of neoplatonism
>>539418350the great, wise, knowledgeable, philosophical, rational, etc etc etc greeksdecided that christianity is the truth and converted
>>539418491they famously laughed jews right out of greeceits too bad they didnt solve the barbarian problem, but they asked the question the right way
The main good rendition of Greek culture was Kevin Sorbo's hercules, which was very Jewish.Gayreek culture itself? They were savages. They would kill animals and read their entrails. They would practice sports naked. They would have orgies of bacchus. They were a bunch of savages
>>539418350Socrates is a fictional character created by Plato and all appearances of Socrates in the writing of other authors are forged
>>539418350I was never into Plato, I couldn't into his "forms". That youthful instinctive response has grown into conscious opposition to the dualism he pushed.Aristotle's hylomorphism is more akin to what was taught to the SS.> The old conception of Antiquity and Christianity establishes a difference between body and soul. They have a different origin: the body is of terrestrial and material origin, and the soul of divine and spiritual essence. Each follows a different destiny: the body dies and decomposes, the soul is immortal and continues to live after death. They also have a very contrasted value: the body is a source of instinct, baseness, inferiority and vileness; the soul is the basis of the great and the beautiful, that is, of absolute value. An insurmountable gulf separates them. The body, impure and profane, is what keeps the soul chained down, away from the celestial heights it is destined to soar to. Our Worldview, with its biologic𝗮l principles contr𝗮dict those views of 𝗮 dec𝗮dent 𝗮nd 𝗮gonizing terrestri𝗮l world. We know that these two aspects, soul and body, have been given to us by the Creator. Both are the manifestation of the divine nature, always creative, eternal and active. We know what our ancestors have passed on to us and we will in turn pass the same unto our children. We know that the nobility and purity of our body are also those of our soul. We know th𝗮t our body 𝗮nd our soul, 𝗮fter 𝗮ll, 𝗮re only one.- SS Lt-General Ludwig Eckstein "Body and Soul", Guidance Handbooks (Leitheft), SS-Hauptamt (SS Main Office)
>>539421339>the soul is not separable from the body
>>539421709>usury is most reasonably hated
>>539418350Plato is my favorite.The cave is real and we’re trapped in it until we can use our wisdom, imagination, and the technology created with it to escape. Every person will see the sun one day but the new world it illuminates will be different for every person.>>539418727They became Gnostics, true.>>539421339Replace the word form with idea and he will make a lot more sense. Perfection only exists in our imagination. We draw from it in order to create imperfect copies of everything in our material reality.
>>539421897>They became Gnostics, true.that's not true at all and gnosticism is a jewish self contradicting cult
>>539421824Aristotle denounced the worldview that reduces all actions to evaluations of monetary gain
It's good.
>>539421056I don't believe you.
>>539418350lots good there, but it's a real bother to read. they mix in empirical claims with conceptual claims all the time and that leads to mistakes in reasoning. overall I'd say Aristotle gets things more right than Plato.
>>539421897>perfection only exists in our imaginationwhy would you want to say such a thing? i can think of all sorts of cases when we ascribe 'perfection' to actual things, and very few cases when we ascribe 'perfection' to something in the imagination.
>>539418724lolThe Apostle Paul beheaded Plato with with his own sword.
>>539422143It seems to me Aristotle also describes Antoine Bechamp's "microzymas," as the deathless intelligence responsible for construction of all the unique manifestations of life using base material components. Aristotle had an exceptionally wrinkly brain, able to conceptualize what was scientifically revealed nearly two thousand years later in France
>>539423888Bechamp's description, for comparison
>>539418724why isn't this better known?
>>539418834what? jews didn't exist yet. what are you talking aboutif you're referring to something specific I'd like to hear about it.
>>539421339but he's dead and you're still able to imagine him. his words live on as a tangible fully formed set of ideas that are worth quoting. you can imagine him having a full philosophy. yet his body is no more. how would he reconcile that?is the distinction between materialism and spiritualism simple enough? presumably you align with materialism? as I think 2/3rds do there is an idea of a chair, then there's the IKEA diagram of the chair, then there's the prototype model chair and then there's the actual physical chair you fart into.they're all one thing, yet still different things. no?
>>539421709is reputation separable from the body? character? the guy you're quoting is dead. yet lives.
>>539423465can you offer some?the typical example is a circle.
>>539418350The pillars or skeleton of West reason and logic
>>539421897>Perfection only exists in our imaginationIt has to actually exist in order to be in our imaginations in the first place. Or in other words, the imperfect is only comprehensible so long as perfect exists as a Perfect Being. The Good is The Perfect. It's not the product of our imaginings, rather our imaginings are its product.
>>539425652as a form? right
>>539425191>presumably you align with materialism?No I tread the world-accepting Sonderweg, which strikes a middle path between two extreme perspectives (denial of spiritual/rejection of material.)
>>539425725Or a principle, or an eternal verity, or a being, or whatever you'd like to call it. The main point is that it exists objectively independently of us. It's not an idea that we came up with. It's an eternally existing principle that informs us. It existed before us and our well-being is tied to how well we obey it.
>>539418350Hmm yes. Very question.I will think of this.Regards,Anon
>>539418350they are turbogay. Gigaqueer, and even utrahomo. Bunch of omegacatamites.Except the OG stoics (until epictetus and, to a lesser degree, aurelius), but while they had tons of great ideas and criticism (seriously, Epictetuses discourses had me wonder if he had written them 20 years ago or 2000 years ago), they lacked one fundamental piece of knowledge, without which their entire philosophy makes no sense at all: The idea of evil. Without the Devil stoicism makes perfect sense, but with it, as we have today, their ultimate "just world" philosophy is flawed and partially broken. The cosmos is not (fully) this benevolent entity that arranges everything for the best. Suffering is on itself fundamentally bad, etc.
>>539424807>jews didn't exist yet. what are you talking aboutwhat are you talking about
>>539426474Evil is a privation, not an essence. As long as you understand what evil actually is, the Stoic view remains true. Which is also the Platonic view, and also the Christian view. All three agree that the Principal Cause is purely good, and that evil is nothing more than good's absence. The devil doesn't create evil, he simply blocks out good.
>>539418350Pretty based every major city state calls each other flaming faggots.
>>539418350The foundation of White civilization. If not for the greats, we would be rootless and in thought incoherent.
>>539422101Actually Gnostics are the only Christians who point out how the Jews worship an evil God separate from the true God who sent Jesus as a messenger.>>539423465If you think something material is perfect, you just aren’t looking at it closely enough. Maybe you don’t notice the flaws in something but someone else easily could.There is no universal and eternal perfection in reality. In the end everything rots or erodes away except ideas.>>539425652For me The Good and our imagination are one and the same. Ideas and the things we create with them are divine.
>>539418350Pretentious bullshit for pretentious retarded faggots who want you pretend to be cultured. No different to dumb pretentious fags pretending to be cultured because they watched PBS and C-SPAN back in the day
>>539427234Yes, pretentiousness.
>>539426897Aristotle said the ruler should have same blood as the subjects
>>539428361Because he was a dumb faggot statist moron who didn't comprehend FREEDOM. why a ruler in the first place?
>>539428361obligatory philia-post
>>539418916>They were a bunch of savagesGreeks were and still are the only civilized people on Earth, that's why the world has always hated Greece or Greeks
if you're relying on Aristotle to define your political horizon, you're stuck in a bronze-age cage. why outsource your concept of human potential to a guy who couldn't even conceptualize individual liberty? Jfc you morons are pretentious and stupid
oJXR8kj5 is a jew ancient greek philosophy is based and answered pretty much 90% of philosophical questions that actually matter in any person's life
>>539428522imagine reading the so-called foundational texts of Western thought just to come away wishing you had a master who looks like you. nobody hates Greece, people just laugh at the ones who think living in the shadow of 2,500-year-old ruins makes them superior today
>>539426128I don’t think it wants to be obeyed, it’s more like an example for us to follow. The Good gives us the tools to know and reach for perfection.
>>539428695You can't even tag the person you're trying to insult, yet you want to lecture people on 'the 90% of philosophy that matters'? Ancient Greeks didn't solve existentialism, modern ethics, or cognitive science. reading a summary of the Republic doesn't make you enlightened; it just makes you a parrot who is too afraid to have a direct conversation. I beer you can't even name three of those questions. Seriously. Because if you actually understood Greek philosophy, you’d know Socrates' entire brand was asking questions, not pretending he had all the answers wrapped up 2,400 years ago. You aren’t defending philosophy; you’re using dead guys as a security blanket for your own ego.
>>539428729>2,500-year-old ruinsGreeks were the #1 power for close to 4,000 years up until the 4th Crusade, it took the full force of Global Jihad + Crusaders to take down Greece, they did not get genocided, they fled to the islands and became relevant again after post-1776 era. The entire USA vs Iran War is being run through Greece right now, you literally have a low iq
>>539428433>dumb faggot statist moron who didn't comprehend FREEDOMcheckin those masonic digitsAristotle shared the Fuhrer's perspective that the primary duty of the state is the preservation of the nation (folk.) You have an ignorant child's notion of "freedom," drummed into your head by jewish media, institutions, educators, etc.
i didnt tag you because you don't deserve a (you) but that goes over your newfag head. also you sound pretentious as fuck
>>539428695Imagine resorting calling me am jew; you don't know what I look like, you don't know who I am, and you have absolutely zero factual rebuttals to anything I wrote, so what do you do? you sit on the internet frantically guessing my demographics like a psychic at a carnival, hoping one of your slursv and jabs stick. imagine being so utterly powerless and intellectually bankrupt that you have to invent a pretend enemy just to have something to scream at while claiming a handful of Bronze Age city-states completely finished 90% of human thought. tell me you’ve never read a book written after 300 BC without telling me. you are a spectator in your own life and an entertainer in mine. Keep dancing faggot
>>539424727Christians get uncomfortable when the Demiurge gets mentioned.>>539426987>evil is nothing more than good's absenceMakes more sense the other way around. Pain is evil, so the absence of it is good.Fear is evil, so the absence of it is good.Hate is evil, so the absence of it is good.These things are everywhere in material reality, so material reality and its creator aren’t inherently good. Or at least, they’re not perfect.
damn i really striked a nerve with that one huh, writing entire paragraphs for me just because i called you a jew lmao
>>539428522>and still areNot since the Ottomans occupied them for 400 years. Greece is a shadow of its former self sadly.
>>539429009>The entire 'USA vs. Iran war' is being run through Greece???wtf??? thanks for confirming you get your geopolitics from schizophrenics on plebbit. Greece is a NATO member with an economy heavily reliant on tourism, not a secret global puppet master dictating Middle Eastern warfare. take a deep breath and step outside.dis niggah just claimed a region of fractured city-states that constantly conquered each other was a unified global superpower for 4,000 years. you don't have a high IQ; you have a Wikipedia tab open that you don't know how to read and process.>>539429025Ah, there it is. you ran out of historical facts, so you sprinted straight to Hitler and a global conspiracy; an actual manlet loser who murdered millions of whites and was the antithesis of freedom. Comparing Aristotle's Polis to a 20th-century ethnostate is a massive self-own that would make any actual classicist laugh you out of a room. thanks for proving my point about your pseudo-intellectual LARP. fucking moron
>>539418350I'm actually not smart enough to have a valid opinion on this topic. Feels bad man.
>>539429363>Greece is a shadow of its former selfNot really, Greeks currently control all their "core" land, Greeks won multiple major Wars the last 2 centuries, including both Balkan Wars. Greece has one of the largest coastlines on Earth and are the #1 owners of Cargo/LNG container ships on Earth, Greeks don't beat their chest and do crazy shit because landwise they are happy, there is no real great desire to get Anatolia.
>>539429458>you ran out of historical facts, so you sprinted straight to Hitlerlol you should have read the thread faggot. i already explained i was happy to find things in Aristotle's writing that reflect my own National Socialist perspective. but you imagine yourself to be something special, a trigger for irrational rage, suggesting anon may be right about your jewishness. show nose?
>>539429195No, it only makes sense at all the one way. Good is existence, and evil is non-existence. Hate is the lack of compassion and fear is the lack of bravery. Both of which are actually just the lack of reason, which in turn is the lack of truth, and Truth is God. The Perfect has to exist first, in order for the imperfect to exist. If existence progressed from imperfect to perfect, then nothing good could exist. Pain is an educational tool, it's neither good nor evil. Without pain, there would be no lessons, thus no virtue. There has never once ever been a philosopher who suggested that existence stemmed from evil and that non-existence was good.
>>539418724Christianity has far more relevance to Aristotle than Plato. LARPaganism is Neoplatonist.Retarded atheists always full of shit.
>>539428150>Actually Gnostics are the only Christians who point out how the Jews worship an evil God separate from the true God who sent Jesus as a messenger.yes, the original christians were jews. also, if the demi urge is evil, how is the all knowing creaator of the demi urge not ultimately responsible for evil as well? like i said, gnosticism is retarded and a jewish cult
>>539429859Congratulations, you discovered that Greece has a merchant navy. that still doesn't make Greek philosophy and the study of it any less pretentious.>>539429904and there it is. the absolute intellectual collapse from pretending to be a highly cultured classical scholar to demanding nose pictures like a standard, unhinged internet basement dweller. thanks for proving to everyone here that your 'high IQ' was just a mask for a textbook internet tantrum. Keep crying.
>>539429859They only survived recent wars with help and mercy from larger foreign powers, same for many other countries in the Balkans.I would respect them much more if they managed to retake Constantinople and became true heirs to the Byzantines.
>>539418350Greeks are based
>>539418350FYI 1PBTID
>>539418350Sad that we still have same situations today and in some regards the greeks were above us. 2000 years of gasligthing bulshit trust the bureaucrats and obey authority.
>>539430017only in the western middle ages and even there you had full blown neoplatonists like Eriugenajudaeo-christian filth can only ape what Greeks did even if they desperately try to get away from it
>>539426897>earliest known presence 3rd century BC>Christianism is a product of neoplatonism>they famously laughed jews right out of greece
>>539430446this retard >>539429025 was literally using ancient Greek philosophy to justify total state control and a 'Fuhrer.' ancient Greek political thought invented the ultimate justification for state authority. these morons romanticizing them just shows they're statist retards
>>539430138and there it is. more ad hominem, in lieu of addressing the question. never change, jews
>>539429960>Good is existence, and evil is non-existence. Physical existence is flawed and full of evil. Non-existence or the spirit is what is perfect. The highest ideal is to become a pure spirit unchained from the limits of the material.>>539430028The Monad, Sophia, or the true God has no control over the physical creation of the Demiurge. The true God’s realm is our souls, which all contain divine sparks gifted by it.All souls were created in the chaos before material reality so the true God could spread the joy of creation across the universe.The Demiurge is just one of these souls gone rogue and capturing others, forcing them to be prisoners in his reality alone.The true God has pity on the Demiurge and his prisoners, but all he can do is give us signs of the truth and hope we eventually see the light again and return to him. He doesn’t want to forcefully free us, instead he gives us the tools to free ourselves (reason and imagination).
>>539430473>judaeo-christianyou are a kike
>>539428150Gnosticism makes no sense. Earth wasnt always a prison. You can sleep in nice bed or in a wet dungeon. Prison planet wouldnt allow this. Civilization is a bleep in human history and a greatest cause of suffering.
>>539426897Plato didn't like the moral lessons the Homeric stories provided the youth and demanded they be rewritten. then the Dead Sea Scrolls show up, which was the first evidence we have for that collection of stories in any form. there's no evidence for an oral Torah or an "ancient tradition".Jesus showed up later to fulfill the Torah and the scribes, still seething about getting BTFO, wrote out the talmud insisting that the stories in the Torah were actually secretly the opposite actually and if only they had doubled down they would have won. idk if Plato would have been happy with the way his ideas were implemented, but they were. the Tetragrammaton is from the TectractysI think we're talking about a huge time period here then. OP is talking like 300BC and your pic mentions the Talmud which is like 500AD. that's all
>>539430868True god is then a retard not even a retard but a bleep of energy flashing with no brain. Also we are physical. Try to think and imagine while your brain lacks esential minerals or oxygen and you will see its not possible. It would be nice though but sadly we are physical.Your imagination cannot overcome lack of oxygen.
>>539430791>total state controlonly such control as required to safeguard the nation from exploitation and ultimately death. im sick of you jews pretending not to know of that difference
>>539418350Great contribution to medieval thinking.
>>539428617>>539428433Aristotle, Aristocracy.are you Libertarian? Anarchist?you don't believe in the necessity of hierarchy? can a business be run without delineating cashier from CEO?
>>539430868Physical matter is as far from existence as possible, apart from pure non-existence. Or in other words, material reality is nothing but an illusion. True reality is the world of ideas. Matter is such a degraded state that it doesn't even count as "being", the world of matter is "becoming", since it's not in a state of constancy.
>>539430969A gilded cage is still a cage. Just because some people are more comfortable doesn’t mean suffering doesn’t exist. Everyone experiences fear, pain, and death sooner or later.
>>539429533on 4chan you can always make shit up as you go along and cover your ears when proven wrong, that's a board favorite activity
>>539418350I think it's interesting, stoicism especially. I wish I had looked into it earlier in my life, now it feels too late to save me.
>>539430868>The Monad, Sophia, or the true God has no control over the physical creation of the Demiurge.then that's not the true god
>>539429195what is causing the pain?the absence of a nail in your foot leads to absence of that pain which is good.
>>539430843dis girly mouthed little faggot copied my exact phrasing because his brain is too fried to generate an original thought, and then whines about ad hominem while dropping a lazy generalization in the very same sentence. Jfc you guess are pathetic. Complaining about personal attacks while resorting to internet-troll scapegoating is a masterclass in zero self-awareness. Imagine being so thoroughly beaten in an argument that you have to copy my exact style and vocabulary just to cry about your hurt feelings. absolutely pathetic>>539431335thanks for admitting I was 100% right. you don't want freedom; you want a nanny state to tuck you in at night and 'safeguard' you from the big scary world. you can wrap it up in whatever romanticized ancient Greek or 1930s roleplay you want, but you are just a standard, submissive statist begging for a master to control your life.Every single tyrant, dictator, and bureaucratic regime in human history used the exact same excuse of 'safeguarding the nation' to justify locking people up and controlling them. you aren't a deep thinker you're a derp derp thinkah reviving ancient wisdom; you’re just a compliant bootlicker repeating the oldest, most basic propaganda line in existence. now complain about Covid lockdowns boot licking faggot
>>539431093>your pic mentions the Talmudit also blends it all under the umbrella "Biblical" because the AI response wasn't constrained only to 66 BC or whatever. it's just something i had saved showing historical parallels in jewish mercantile influence 2000 years ago, yes in 3rd century BCE Greece.
>>539431556ahh yes a very stoic attitude
>>539431556It's never too late. Even if you only spend the last week of your life with inner peace, it's worthwhile to experience that week.
Imagine calling someone a 'detractor' while LITERALLY writing a love letter to state control because you're too terrified to exist in a free society. Absolute clown behavior. Thanks for proving my point to the entire thread moron>>539431377this dunce faggot thinks he just set a brilliant trap by using a basic business metaphor, but is making a massive amateur mistake: niggah confusing voluntary, functional hierarchy (like a private business) with coercive, violent state hierarchy (like a ruler or a Führer). you niggaz are retarded.yes faggot, I believe in liberty and FREEDOM and the fact that you think a CEO—who relies on voluntary trade and mutual consent—is the same thing as a state ruler who dictates your bloodline and blood-purity proves how deeply institutionalized your mind is. you don't want a functional society; you just desperately want a daddy-state to manage your life.
>>539431906>hebraic kvetchingcovid lockdowns is what you get with jews in charge
>>539430868non existence doesn't exist
>>539432136>just set a brilliant trapprojection. I asked a question hoping you would elucidate a position. I've read further into the thread and discovered that was a waste of time.>Coercive, violent vs>Voluntary, functional is a matter of perspective. your agitated spiteful mutant spirit sees one as the other.
>>539428493Based anon.
>>539432148WHITES AND JEWSFTFY
>>539418350In a land full of shrieking retards, it's hard to stay the path, but I subscribe to stoicism.
>>539432015Never said I was trying to live it lol.>>539432116You are right. Thanks anon :)
>>539429458Greece was a major power since the beginning of History in Europe. It became the local hegemon colonising pretty much everything near by, from the Caucasus to Italy and beyond.Then Alexandre conquered the known world.That anon just pretends the Byzantines were just Greeks, and he's mostly right. Although they started as Romans and there was a Roman period of domination over Greece. Other than that the anon is right: Byzantium remained a major power all the way to the fourth Crusade. in the early XIII century.
>>539430791Dictator was tried time and time again for 2000 years. Simply doesnt work move on to something else. So unproductive and retarded.
>>539432354look at this little pivoting faggot trying to play the calm, enlightened intellectual again because his business analogy got utterly destroyed.>hurrrr the difference between consent (voluntary) and violence (coercive) is just "a matter of perspectiveThat is the absolute peak of pseudo-intellectual cope. pretending to be the calm, detached academic calling people 'mutant spirits' when you literally just argued that physical coercion and voluntary cooperation are the same thing. you aren't sophisticated; you're just an authoritarian who is deeply terrified of individual accountability and coping hard lmao If you think the line between voluntary consent and state violence is 'just a matter of perspective,' you're a literal psychopath. You lost the debate. Go outside.
>>539431364the idea that a thousand years was added seems increasingly likely but I haven't been able to find any slam dunk suggestions for it. several have proposed it but none of the summaries on YouTube make any sense. it feels intentionally hidden. Tarantino's cowriter even introduced it on Rogan in a ten minute clip that was great but even that was deleted. do you have more? is Sylvain a guy to seeafaik, there was a major catastrophe like a two year long cold snap followed by drought that was recorded in three separate empires but each at radically different dates. the way they were described it was likely to be the same event. but then it was corroborated with star charts and celestial observations. or something. is there anyone that actually explains the theory clearly?
>>539432652saying 'the Byzantines were just Greeks' completely misunderstands medieval history. They called themselves Romaioi (Romans), operated under Roman law, and their empire was a multi-ethnic state staffed by Armenians, Illyrians, Thracians, and Isaurians. claiming Byzantium as a purely 'Greek superpower' is standard, modern nationalist revisionism, you faggots have to distort basic history just to keep your argument alive holy fuck
>>539418350Theology is superior. Fight me.
>>539430791You know nothing about ancient Greece.Get the fuck out of my board right fucking now you fairy!
>>539418350It's reasonable.
>>539432394>jews and their collaboratorsfixed. RIP Magufuli, was he replaced by a white who imposed lockdown? or was it a black
>>539432928Kek imagine getting your entire historical fan fiction dismantled so badly that your only defense is shouting 'get off my board!' absolute clown behavior, you lost better luck next time
>>539431906>Every singlecommunist>in human history used the exact same excuse of 'escaping tyranny'>to justify murdering and destroying.if you're #NoKings it's no wonder you don't like Aristotle (Aristocracy) but Marx is embarrassing and nonsensical and you can start your own thread for that.
>>539431602It gave us our souls, which are more important than anything material.
>>539432976>i found one example of a black person going along with the white and kike agendachuckles
>>539431906Libertarians and jews are faggots.Get out bitch! Out! Out! Out!You have no argument.You have no ability to make an argument.You have no ability to even think, most likely. And most of all: Your brain runs on empty memes. Get the fuck out!
>>539432149It exists in our minds.
>>539431956some sources talk about 10,000 jews being trampled to death when a roman mooned them.others insist that the exodus was real or that their records actually go back to moses.Plato predates Judaism.
>>539433060What got dismantled?By whom?And you talk of clowns?Have you no self awarness?Are you an actual jew of some sort?>>539432811The Byzantines were Greek enough.Pretending that Byzantium was not Greek although it (as a city, not as an empire really) started as Roman is a bigger error. Byzantines were more Greek than Americans are white or especially British.And yet you fags call yourselves Anglo all the time for some odd reason.
>>539432691you have made this thread a lot less interesting than it could have been
>>539433084jfc lmao what a desperate, bottom-of-the-barrel deflection. because you cannot defend your own love for state control, you're inventing a completely fake scenario where anyone who opposes a king must be a Marxist. Un-fucking-believable hahahadis niggah hallucinating a Marxist enemy because his actual argument for state control got completely liquidated. I don't want a communist state; I don't want any state. the fact that your brain can only process political theory in binary clichés proves you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Kys now>>539433118this bot has completely lost it! TOP KEK accusing someone of having 'no argument' while your entire response is a slur-filled temper tantrum begging me to leave is peak comedy. you didn't answer a single point about history because your brain completely fried under pressure. thanks for the free win.>>539433395Holy fucking kek look at this seething faggot trying to salvage his historical argument by comparing medieval empires to modern demographics, still your analogy completely blows up in your face, comparing a medieval multi-ethnic empire to modern America or Britain is a hilariously bad take. the Byzantines didn’t just speak Greek; their ruling elite included Armenians, Illyrians, and Isaurians, and they LITERALLY called themselves Romans niggah. calling them 'Greek enough' to salvage a fake 4,000-year superpower timeline is peak historical illiteracy. you're just making up rules and definitions as you go. Kekand you are still completely obsessed with my ethnicity and nationality because you cannot defend your own fake history. first you scream 'Out! Out! Out!' like a broken chatbot, and now you're trying to write essays about modern white Americans to prove Byzantium was a Greek ethnostate. you lost paragraphs ago. just take the L and fuck off pussy
>>539433395I think >>539428695was right to spot it right away. that he already had a picture prepped for that suggests it happens a lot.
>>539432691The anon is right on that sentence, you dumb nigger.And you claim others are not sofisticated?You volunteer under the consideration of the coerciveness around you.
>>539433429kek faggot folding his girly arms and responding scornfully. don't blame me because your buddy completely choked under pressure and destroyed the conversation with a tantrum. Cry to him not me faggot>>539433660what??? look at this dejected homo opening up his ass for another man's opinions. Pun intended. lmao
>>539433660I wish the captcha had gone further. imagine a board filtered by IQ test.oh well.
>>539431310But the tools we create with our divine ideas given by The Monad can overcome physical injuries and limits, at least temporarily.The Demiurge always gets us in the end because we haven’t imagined a way to escape him and his rules permanently yet.
>>539433616>>539433776LMFAOJfc Look at this little faggot reaching across the thread like a bitch in distress, seeking emotional support; like a school girl clutching her girlfriend as they both gang up on the boy who told them to fuck off. KekLET THAT MAN'S HAND GO, YOU LITTLE BITCH
>>539433115>whites badWhites basically won the game of Civilization, and during the process the parasite jew attached and subverted it all to serve the interests of the jew. it's amusing you're so mad at whites for being the GOAT. do you imagine if blacks had the ability to invent the wheel, and become the world's technological powerhouse, jews wouldnt do the same to them?
>>539433761You're pathetic anon. Trolling needs more nuance.
>>539434115whites and kikesFTFY, again>>539434124I accept your concession, defeat and surrender. calling me a troll won't un-break your brain, take the L and go outside.
>>539434247>no argument, just repeating the old shit that got BTFO'dok my work here is done. my dog is disgusted with me already (past time for a walk)
>>539434434"We" (YOU DIDN'T DO SHIT AND WON'T DO SHIT) built the world, so it’s okay that "we" act like niggers.’ that is the ultimate white supremacist cope. you invent fake legal spells and point to historical achievements just to justify modern barbarism. ‘It’s okay that we rape, murder, and torture kids all over the world because we won the game of civilization’—that is exactly how retarded you sound right now with your endless white-jew kvetching. Log off.
>>539418350Aristotle > Socrates > Plato
>>539434538So you're a kike raging?That explains the complete lack of self awarness, attention to the matter beind discussed and throwing insults around without connecting. Your days are numbered, demon.
>>539434624Commonsense is better than all if them combined
>>539434656Faggot needs me to be a Jew, badly, just so he could "win" lmfao so desperate
>>539434624Socrates just liked to annoy people with questions. He never even wrote down anything himself.
Thoughts on Diogenes?
>>539434801do you really think he never wrote anything down?
>>539433846Im not really sure about this. We are our bodies. Without our bodies we would be in permanent hell. Nothing to see nothing to hear nothing to fell. If our bodies were just empty vesels there would be no memory loss we would just have faulty bodies never faulty brains.
>>539418350>What are your political views on Greek philosophy?It beats Argentina football.
>>539418350They are all sodomites.
>>539418350plato created the old testament as one of his "noble lies" but we're not ready for that conversation yet
>>539434891based, he did what he said.>>539434932plato wrote it down for him
>>539435667You really think Plato wrote it down for him?
>>539435558This!
>>539435731post source and evidence or shut the fuck up with any narcissistic only *I* this esoteric knowledge about plato and socrates. tired of these clowns
>>539434932If he did why was none of it ever preserved or mentioned in other sources? Do you think Plato stole credit for some of his writings?>>539435007I think our brains are one bridge between the imaginary and the physical. It’s necessary for us to receive consciousness from The Monad, like an antenna.We are creating a new bridge between the material and the ideal through code or data, created from synthesizing our ideas of language and math together. With data we can create new realities that we can see with our own eyes. One day we will fully experience these virtual realities with all of our other senses. Once that happens, we can finally escape the Demiurge forever.
>>539434891tragic
>>539435852Idk. Do you think he did?>>539435846I just asked a question, moron. Kek triggered
>>539418350Too adhd to actually read it. Aristotle is more plausible than plato. Platonism is usually just christian cope, although jungianism and certain scientific findings give some credibility to platonism too.
>>539435846
>>539435966I’ve seen no evidence of it. Do you have any?
>>539436259What a smug bastard.
>>539436270Do you think I have any?
>>539435575it was mentioned. I'm ready for it.let's do it
>>539436365If you did, you would show some. Therefore, I know you don’t have evidence.
>>539435558that isn't true. it's a modern distortion to justify modern perversion>it's always been normalit's always been abnormal. Leather Apron Club among others have disputed these claims. and the ones spreading these claims are not ones you'd want to be associated with
>>539435966>>539436108hah dont be disingenuous now, you asked it in a sarcastic way of "you really think..." like YOU have the answer and are making fun because I think different than the truth if that's not the truth then what is? why phrase it that way? because you're a weak limp faggot that says shitty comments under your breathe when out with others because you're too much of a disingenuous coward to speak your mind.
>>539435575Plato wasn’t Jewish.
>>539436478>>539424807>>539431093>>539418724
>>539436426Do you think it matters?>>539436468Do you really think I was being sarcastic?
hellas
>>539433776this is the iq testcan you imagine
>>539436557That’s it, I’ve had enough. I sentence you to drink hemlock for corrupting the youth.
>>539436541He still wasn’t Jewish or proto-Jewish. His philosophy has nothing to do with desert madness Demiurge worship.
>>539436557listen and please follow along you phrased it in an obvious sarcastic way "you really think...", that means you have some sort of esoteric information I do not have, because its the truth and widely known, to say you really think adds doubt or a contrarian point of view and when called out on it you backtrack to the disingenuous position. if you were genuinely interested then you would have phrased or asked in a different way such as why do you think/know that or wow anon that's interesting or something other than "really anon, a dinosaur ate your homework, REALLY?" same energy. maybe im in a pissy mode from a interaction from a disingenuous faggot at work this morning
>>539436874Do you think I have esoteric information?>>539436678Are you sure you've had enough?
>>539418457>hebrewThe Bible was originally written in Koine Greek. I am not interested in medieval rabbi lies and mistranslations and you shouldn't be either
>>539426897He's right. Jews did not exist until the 5th century AD>but Ivdaean/IvdeorvmNot the same thing
>>539436939no now you're just shitting up the board
>>539418350>What are your political views on Greek philosophy?they lacked so much. Even if Plato could see the shape of reality, he could never be sure of it, thus he was knowingly wrong in his own assumptions, refer back to man in cave dreaming of the ones making the shadows on the wall.and Socrates was a fence sitter, one millimeter left or right and the philosophy nose dives.Aristotle probably got closer to the truth"truth is a matter of stating facts accurately"
>>539432741I can have a go although Syvain Tristan has an interview about his book here:https://youtu.be/rikx_mpcphgBasically most of what is taken to be history is a lot of confused retellings of the same stories during the 16th and 17th Centuties. In fact "ancient" historical figures can be easily shown to be medieval. One example is the Trojan War which was over Troy in Italy in the 14th Century. The town is still there. Before Homer (St. Omer), a medieval French clan ruling part of Greece, got their hands on the story and made it into florid romatic waffle there were a number of prctical accounts from actual soliders. The wooden horse was an aquaduct - there is a constant problem in old literature of no one using vowels so equus duct the rolling horse is written like aqua duct.All shadows before 1550 and history stops altogether around 1200AD - probably at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. That events relating to the resurrection or after seem to have jangled men's brains. Along with a major catastrophe that covered England and lots of placed in feet of dirt.Sean Kinsey has a great talk about the strange account of the Pentacosthttps://youtu.be/W3zC63hwaokFomenko is father of it allhttps://youtube.com/@history_science_or_fiction
>>539436965Either way it's garbage
>>539437197>t. hasn't read itYou're garbage
>>539436478I agree. there was no such thing though until someone executed his suggestion
the foundation of everything good about the western world, as opposed to judaism, which is the foundation of everything bad about the western worldwe really dropped the ball when we opted to follow jews instead of the hellenes. probably a reality breaking mistake from which the creation will never be able to recover.
>>539437043what were Ivdaean/Ivdeorvm?(I'm not the antagonistic asshole. I'm asking in good faith. if you have further insight to share it's appreciated)
>>539430204You are Just larping. It's nice to larp like this when you are playing paradox games but you can see that this thread is a rare quality thread, people are putting effort in their posts. You obviously have no clue what you are talking About and don't know anything about modern Greeks, you are just repeating some words originally written by some trolls or some turks which you took for a fact. Kindly asking you to stfu retard.
>>539436745there is no demiurge. gnosticism and the demiurge are a jewish trick so you get stuck in a spiritual fallacy
>>539437194>The wooden horse was an aquaduct - there is a constant problem in old literature of no one using vowels so equus duct the rolling horse is written like aqua duct.whoa. any insight as to Cyclops?
>>539437091Why so you think that?
>>539437356The Romans used it as a geographic term. Anyone in the province of Ivdaea was a Ivdaean unless they were Hellenes or Roman colonists. Genetically, modern jews are maybe 2.5% Levantine, it is not known what part of this 2.5 is from the tribe of Judah.
>>539418457I wish the mods banned all US flags already. Nothing but pure cancer comes out of you.
>>539437663it's nice that you have that headcanon too bad it has nothing to do with reality and the term was absolutely used to describe an ethnicity of penis mutilating monkeys(Saul, the founder of your religion, was a judaeus despite being from tarsus)
>>539437484Wrong. The Demiurge is who the Jews really worship. He is the God of the Old Testament. Gnostics are the ones who recognize this and fight against the Jewish teachings which keep us trapped in this material prison.
>>539437427I don’t think you understand what larping means.What’s so great about modern Greece?
>>539437764Iudean seems to mean something related to gratitude.like Islam means submission, they were the thankful ones.this was before the nepotistic blood cult
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>>539437606he was an overgrown boy scout
>>539437764Wrong you fucking kike monkey Everything I said is 100% accurateShow me how modern kikes descend from the tribe of Judah and how their lying ancestors escaped both Titus and Hadrian by hiding like rats in inaccessible tunnels or something you just made upLying sack of shit, I spit on your "culture" and "traditions"Tu non sei italiano ma un ebreo di merda
>>539437943>Wrong you fucking kike monkey>Everything I said is 100% accuratenope, see the quoted picture, concession and brutal humiliation accepted, learn Greek and come back to me ἀμέγαρτε
>>539431093I can bet you 100 goy bucks that Plato had no idea what the Talmud was...
>>539418457stupid heretic doesnt know that socrates was after malachi
>>539437798gnosticism is an offshoot jewish cult that you picked up from 4chan because the they have been hard at work pushing it here and you fell for itgnosticism is retarded, it contradicts itself
>>539418457heretics dont know about justin the philosopher
>>539418350greek means anal
>>539438013>admits to being a kike monkey>does not address my argument>posts some kike monkey slop as "definition"What does ausrotten mean you kike monkey?When did the definition change and why? Tu sei un ebreo pezzo di merda di razza inferiore anche peggio dei zingari Bastardo figlio di una scrofa va al diavolo
>>539423509Why do christcucks say random delusional shit like this?
>>539438112Explain how it is Jewish when it goes against everything Jews believe.Gnostics aren’t the ones telling people to stop asking questions and to just blindly accept commands from a flawed and petty creator and his rabbi servants.
>>539438192your argument was utterly and brutally demolished by an elementary analysis of how the Greek term has been used since the Hellenistic period, your concession has already been accepted, ἔρρ' Ἄϊδος εἴσω
>>539437902You talk like a fag, anon?
>>539418350it's just gay paganism.
>>539418350Plato was a nigger.But still more relevant than most modern garbage.Epicurus was a real G.Anyway politics and most things about life were already solved by them and we keep reinventing them.They almost feel like an Alien Civilization compared to our modern society. One of my Shizo theories is that they were higher beings. Aliens that crash landed on Earth and needed to speed up human civilization so that they could get back to their planet. Their plan failed because they started breeding with humans and soon degenerated and forgot their origins.The bible talks about this.
>>539434891back from walking my dog>Diogenesis currently wandering around Spain using the name "Steppenwolf". If Isabel Peralta finds him and recruits him, it's definitely over for jewshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgi5CJyw0D4
>>539418457You're not jewish tho, are ya?
>>539437194that first link is awesome. this idea is overwhelming. seems accurate but holy shit how would one go about straightening this out?or to what end. powerful stuff. thanks anon.
>>539437194its incredible the levels of jewish and christcuck mental gymnastics to try to reconcile 1000 years of dark ages under the reign of jewish messianism. byzantines larping as greeks is one such common trope of that fact. did you know for something like 1000 years, the christcucks who called themselves romans who were living in rome thought that the christcucks living in turkey who were calling themselves romans were actually greeks? the christcuck dark age really demonstrates how significantly the general levels of intelligence cratered under jewish stewardship. a formerly hellenized culture adopts the greek language, so they think theyre greek? itd be like calling the chinamen in hong kong circa 1990 "english"i get it, same language, same names, but just look at them ffs. look at the ancient greek statues, then look at the people calling themselves greeks. look at their gods then, their gods now. its a night and day difference. or jook at their skin color. its the same thing as people today calling greeks greeks, but atleast those people got the general geography right, even though they probably use words like "dardenelles" instead of hellespont
>>539438035how? I just explained that they were like 800 years apart. in the same post you're replying to
>>539418350Someone had a good theory about Socrates that I found interesting. He basically told me Socrates was a monotheist and that’s why the Greek parliament put him to death. The whole corrupting the youth was Socrates telling the youth polytheism makes no sense. In dialogues Socrates 1. Basically told someone Greek mythology bores him and is irrelevant to him and to stop talking about orb2. Argued with someone that polytheism makes no moral sense because different gods can disagree on what is right and wrong. With polytheism there is no objective morality 3. In the original Greek works Socrates referee to God as singular and never as plural unless he was saying your gods as opposed to talking about himself 4. One of the charges against him was introducing new gods to the city. Not atheist. They were accusing him of bringing a new god to the masses 5. Often talked about the importance of nourishing the soul and soul can only be nourished righteous action 6. During the trial he said God (singular) punished immorality and whoever voted for his death will surely feel punishment
>>539438120such tiny hands
>>539438469Interesting. What do you think about Jesus and Christianity?.
>>539438468christianity?
>>539438112>gnosticism is an .. that you picked up from
i don't think they are discussed enough, especially pre-socraticshttps://youtu.be/K5KzKheOieU
>>539438013what is amagerte?
>>539439005I called him what he is, worthless(< a-megairō i.e un-enviable, appears in the Odyssey as insult against the swine herder)
>>539438661Wow Op is alive.I feel honored and humbled.
>>539438328>kike monkey pretends to be Italian>gets exposed>has no rebuttal>makes up some inane scenario where it won the debate>it has failed to provide a single shred of actual evidenceNext time don't pick a European vpn kike bastard son of a whore and raised by a cuckold Don't be ashamed of your star of moloch, the rest of us already know who and what you arePicrel is the main character in your talmud and the only god kikes fear
>>539438083that image pretty much perfectly sums up modern philosophy since the end of the jewish-christian dark age. everybody is just constantly rediscovering the wheel and trying to rebrand it as something else, usually just less pagan sounding. i cant tell you how many times ive seen variations on the ship of theseus or the liars paradox. theres a much more post-modern variation of this too, like how quantum mechanics is really just schrodingers cat rebranded over and over. theres even this guy called stephen wolfram who wrote "a new kind of science" whose trying to apply schrodingers cat into mathematicshttps://youtu.be/fO9iRDPXvT4
>>539439307>still can't even put two words together against an elementary Greek dictionary entrylook at the ape goyou won't believe what Romans thought about your kind>But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.if Hadrian did finish them all, you wouldn't have your beloved goycattle comfort religion little plantation serf
>>539418350Was never a Greek philosophy type of fag. I do like and have read quite a lot of Greek mythology tho
>>539439232Thanks hahaSince we're on friendly terms, I'll tell you that after dinner I'm going to read a bit from Marcus Aurelius's book of meditations that I bought not too long ago. I was going to try to memorize some psalms today, but I got distracted by silly things. I'll probably do it tomorrow.How was your day?Oh, I also read a bit of the Gospel of Matthew. I bought my Bible about three years ago and I read it every day, sometimes more, sometimes less.
>>539439499>if Hadrian finished them off>ifHow fucking dumb are you, kike?He brought 12 fucking legionsThat was literally half of Rome's army This was a few years after the Kitos War tooI know pissrahelli education is 3rd world tier, but still
>>539438491Reminds me of Terry Davis in his final days as a hobo.
>>539438636Interesting. Did Plato ever talk about Socrates’ religious beliefs in more detail? If it was so important to Socrates then it should have rubbed off on his students.
>>539438469the bible talks about it because it was already thing, its called the deucalion and pyrrha flood survivor myth. how the hellene race and the mud people came into being.essentially there are two progenitors of mankind, epimetheus and prometheus. youre either an epimethian or a promethian. an npc or a player. whats weird though is that there are two components, the commonly understood racial and genetic descendancy, and theres there another aspect, which is a sort of rng. so epimethian descendants can become promethians, because theyre also descended from deucalion, and theyre both descended from the gods.prometheus --> deucalionepimetheus --> pyrrhaand they bred, and their breeding created the hellene race, among others neighboring races like the ionians. thats where the rng comes in.but simultaneously, there was also a bunch of mud people who followed them around and tried to emulate the hellene behavior, but could only make crude imitations of their works. its not like how adam and eve have cain and abel, and then all of a sudden theres just hella people around them everywhere who just appear out of thin air, i guess some of the mud people also survived the flood.
>>539426474Leibniz's best of possible worlds theory has a solution to the problem of evil
>>539439685 In order to finish the Levantine rats off in totality it would take more than just one crushing military campaign. Hadrian ordered harsh and continuous reprisal against the survivors but his generals and governors foolishly didn't see the point or even in some cases felt pity for the kikel shits and didn't persecute them to their utmost. That is known as "missing a spot".
>>539437043>Jews did not exist until the 5th century ADyou are one silly goose
>>539438636theyd be wrong. he shits all over monotheism in the parmenides. christcucks are always trying to project their devolved beliefs over their superiors in the past, trying to say x was actually secretly a christian before christianity was even a thing.its the other way around. christianity rips off many elements, and in jewish fashion, denatures them to the point that they initially appear similar, but are in essence completely antithetical to the original thing.whats worse is that jewish publishers and christian translators will translate words like 'Zeus' into more generic forms like just the word 'god', so that when a christian reads it, they think of yahweh/jesus/allah/whoever, rather than the god he is specifically referring to. and then there are instances where plato actually does use a more generalized form of divinity, i.e. the word 'god' himself, which to the abrahamic reader further reinforces that.
I've heard that the AVERAGE iq of the ancient greeks was around 125. Let that sink in. There was nothing like them anywhere else in ancient history. The greeks are the foundation of western civilization, the romans got everything from the greeks. They were a race of wise philosophers who spent their time in leisure learning and pondering the meaning of life. The average greek peasant was a genius compared to the modern niggercattle all over the world
>>539439129unenviable doesn't mean worthless. interesting to think that though. I wonder why you didn't criticize this >>539431093
>>539440739that would be an understatement. it helps to put in perspective that the population of Athens during its Golden Age was something ridiculously miniscule, only like 10,000, the size of a small town. So all of those contributions were made by a very small number of people.it really blackpills when you see 8 billion people today who still couldnt comprehend most of their philosophy and religion even if they tried.humanity reached a crossroads in rome, when opting to follow in the footsteps of a bunch of 300iq gigachads or a bunch of 60iq baby dick grabblers, constantkike opted for the 60iq. a decision which the world very likely will never recover from.itd be like having twin sons, and one of them has a freak mutation which would become heritable like opposable thumbs, but because hes so different, opting to troon him out so he can never pass on those traits, a mutation which will become lost to time. so now, thousands of years later, we're all still stuck clapping our hands together like retards trying to grasp things wondering where it all went wrong and why everything sucks. this is why.
>>539440466Rabbic Judaism is a response to Christ. the Talmud wasn't written until like 500 AD.
>>539418457your bait is bland
>>539439676>How was your day?Nothing special a bit boring just like most days. Im waiting for some parts so i can work on my motorcycle.Im an impatient person i dislike waiting. Im never ordering from this place again. Fucking Germans used to be reliable and timely now they are wasting my time. You can see the decline in Germany and in Europe in general in the small things. Europe needs Germany and Germany needs Europe. I digress. I was shitposting in my first post dont take the things i say seriously.>Interesting. What do you think about Jesus and Christianity?.I try not to think about it. Its better this way its late at night here and i cant really write everything i want to say about it.I recently discovered Lord of the Mysteries after watching the anime and thats what im trying to read when not wasting my time on /pol/.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKg3PG0B5Rw
Greek philosophy = neoconservatismNeocons must be exposed as they send America into another illegal war.Zionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s(1:40:13)>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.Total neocon death.PNAC was a terrorist group — “NEW PEARL HARBOR” = 9/11 was a ZIONIST INSIDE JOBNeoconservatism = Jewish supremacyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGVkNi3fcMwNeocons despise ordinary people. Leo Strauss saw himself and his students/cult followers as philosopher kings. Most neocons were former Trotskyists and Trotsky, likewise, HATED the working-class. This is largely because neoconservatism is an expression of Jewish supremacy. Jews believe they are the "CHOSEN PEOPLE" and seek to preserve their ethnocentrism and tribalism against the universal brotherhood of man brought into the world by Christ. You can't separate these things.
>>539441740it'd be cool to have a Newtown USA where 10,000 people went with avg IQ of 125. see what happens.
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>>539418350heraclitus stumbled on to something powerful, and humanity largely slept on it
>>539442256which was what specifically?
>>539438621The earliest known scriptures of the Talmud were written in the common era... Plato lived in which millenia?
>>539442310800 years before that. where in the world are you confused
>>539442256War is the father of all thingsMan cannot step in the same river twice for the river had changed and he's not the same man one of those or something else?
>>539442310>I bet you 100 bucks Arjuna didn't have an iphone
>>539418727They mostly shat on the stupidity of Christianity until the big bad roman Bureaucracy banned all Greek religion, then burned all Greek philosophy that shat on Christianity
>>539441867>Rabbic Judaism is a response to Christ. the Talmud wasn't written until like 500 AD.>>539440466This Nigger thinks that the Jews before Rabbinic Judaism weren't just like their Kike descendants. Stupid , evil , fanatical pieces of human shit.notice that Jesus celebrated Hannukah where these Kikes were killing Greeks.
>>539441867Those statements have nothing to do with this nonsense >>539437043
>>539442231anti-semitism happens
>>539442966>slaughtered on sow the alterthats putting it lightly
>>539442715>>539442966John 8:44You're both retarded
>>539418350>Greeks
>>539443950>John 8:44>You're both retardedOoof you committed the Kike slave fallacy.Sorry you fell for Jewish lies. Better luck next life.
>>539444079Ok kike Try another one, nobody falls for your pilpulDirty cockroach
>>539418350same as most of the other kindspointless wankery by people who mistake their own internal button poking as externally relevant
>>539443950I'm retarded because jews argue fanatically with other jews about their religion?Anyway here's something else about Aristotle's philosophy I had saved, pertinent to "soul" >>539421339 >>539421709
>>539443950some anonymous jew wrote something? and then its purposely mistranslated in order to deceive you? wouldnt be the first time.what it actually says, apparently, is: "you are of the Father, from the devil", which is somewhat ironic, considering it was in this very idea which inspired the creation of the synagogue of satan, which in hindsight we now know is christianity itself, in the way that it pretended to be acting on behalf of the divine, but was in fact only working to the benefit of jewry.https://youtu.be/6t3neg3J7gY?t=32m24s
>>539444189>Ok kike>Try another one, nobody falls for your pilpul>Dirty cockroachOOOOOOOOFFFFYou did the Kike slave fallacy.What made you believe jewish lies?
>>539421056Does it honestly matter? We don't admire Socrates for what his physical stature was. We care about his ideas and teachings. Who cares what physical shell conjured up the ideas? >>539418350But anyways... I believe some paradoxical combination of Socratic & Aristotelian philosophy are the foundation for a refined individual, and thus, a better society. You must begin with and maintain the humble mindset of "the only thing I know is that I know nothing." Arrogance & hubris only delude. Everyone views themselves as lucid and intelligent, but not everyone truly is, etc. But then you realize that being an eternal fence-sitter is useless. So you realize "all things in balance & moderation" is key. There can always be too much of a good thing. (The way this differs from the wholly Socratic mindset is that sometimes a moderate amount of extremity is warranted to offset some opposing extremity). We obviously can & do know many things for certain, so you must be careful to not allow this mindset to veer into the realm of useless & retarded solipsism/nihilism. We live in one reality with one objective & inescapable truth about anything & everything. Delusional people who believe no inconvenient truths exist and reality is everything they want it to be are the problem.
>>539418457Fpbp. Eventually these philosophers run out of road. St Augustine came to the same conclusion
>>539444378im really not a fan of aristotle. spiritually i think hes retarded, in the physical sciences hes a genius. but the physical sciences are not my prerogative.
Plato was a midwit
>>539444500Jesus was the anti-Jew. Why do you think they hate him so much? Some of them refuse to even speak his name. They gleefully say that he is burning in a hell of boiling shit and all of his followers are idol worshippers who deserve the same.What are they so afraid of?
>>539444595is that why he spends the first 300 pages in city of god regurgitating plato, only to throw all that wisdom in the trash by saying god is an unemployed circumcised jewish rabbi?augustine is a cautionary tale of how natural potential can be utterly derailed and ultimately squandered by simply trusting jewschristians will look at him as the brightest among them, whereas pagans will look at him and see a gate kid who ended up just another junkie drop out
>>539444392>we now know is christianity itself, in the way that it pretended to be acting on behalf of the divine, but was in fact only working to the benefit of jewryMore kike pilpul lmaoIf Christianity was working for them from the beginning why did they kvetch so hard and pay a gay jew to subvert the Church with (((vatican II))) in 1965?STFU lying kike son of a whore
>>539445015You are trapped in the cave and happy to be a prisoner.
>>539445259Plato's cave is a Plato's cave
>>539445144>why do you think they hate him so muchi dont really get that impression from them at all. i know the jewish books jews wrote says as much, but here in reality jews seem to very much appreciate him, and flock to live amongst his believers. in fact, i would argue that the creation of jesus christ was the single greatest thing that ever happened for jews. who were they before? some irrelevant sandniggers getting dunked on by antiochus. and now look at them. controlling every single aspect of our lives. jesus did that. which is why in every jewish hotel you will find a complimentary bible complete with the new testament. you will find a trove of jesus movies, tv shows, netflix adaptations, comic books, broadway shows, theatrical performances, and much more.
>>539444066were they 'giant'?so far in this thread we have 1000 years added to the timeline, and jacked genius aliens inventing everything out of nowhere.very curious.while modern IQ peaked in 1880 and average testosterone has dropped 1% every year for 50 years. the avg IQ for a college graduate is 102
>>539444595>I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.There is nothing, only submission to the terror God in his prison wasteland.
>>539418350greeks invented homosexualityromans perfected it
>>539442043I'm sorry the Germans are letting you down. I hope you get those parts soon.The last anime I watched was Bocchi the Rock. After that, I haven't watched any more, and I probably never will again. I lost all interest in it overnight.Anyway, I'm going to sleep now. Sweet dreams.
>>539426897have you ever heard of the phrase"Hellenization of Judaism"?The jews created Greece and Rome
>>539444714>elvish
>>539445300You’re no Socrates. You’re not even a Diogenes.
>>539418350Universe eventually dies in a heat death. That means nothing matters. Therefore Epicurus was right, hedonism is the only thing in life that truly matters.
>>539443950I always wondered what was meant by that. AI insisted it just meant "the devil" despite acknowledging that Jews don't believe in the devil. wouldn't it be more likely that he's referencing something specific?Plato? and the noble lie.supposedly Moses murdered an Egyptian.Cain?what is he referring to here specifically. "the devil" is, I mean yeah, in context of the point you're making right now, sure. but it feels like an allusion to something else also.
>>539445201which gay jew are you talking about? theyre all gay jews, thats what these >>539438821 dick checks are for. not to determine gender, but to determine circumcision.all vatican ii really did was drop the act and finally stopped insulting peoples intelligences continuing to pretend theyre opposing jewish interests, when its obvious to pretty much everyone that they literally are the jewish interests, and always have been.
>>539445398>The "Laws" recommends that homosexuality, like adultery, fornication and the use of prostitutes, not be engaged in; that if it is engaged in, it be kept private or closeted, and that if it is discovered, it be punished by deprivation of civil rights, a severe penalty. In effect the "Laws" recommends criminalization.
>>539445349American Jews are more relaxed and atheistic. Most of them don’t care or see Christians as dumb people worth exploiting just like everyone else.It’s the religious Israeli Jews who really hate Christians (and all other goys). Look at their invasion of Lebanon now where they take pleasure killing Christians and destroying their statues and churches.
>>539444392>I know you are but what am II've only seen the same like three tricks over and over.>these are not the droids you're looking forand>nuh uh.
>>539418457>hebrew biblethe talmud?
>>539445144What level of deceit from Kikes are you on? They have you worshipping their god and believing their fairytales.
>>539418607niggers are literally the gayest race on the planet
>>539445593>which gay jew are you talking about?The one who came up with (((vatican 2)))Look it upIf you want further proof that I am 100% right we can talk about the Disputations of Paris during the High Middle Ages
>>539445300No, Plato's cave doesn't refute itself. Your statement is completely worthless."Mystical explanations are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow." - Nietzsche
>>539445932stop writing like this is r*ddit. it’s not. those aren’t paragraphs. you’re just being gay.
>>539445349didn't Netanyahu fund Hamas?why would young jewish boys spit at nuns walking through Jerusalem
>>539445923Jesus was a messenger from a different god, not the evil one worshipped by Jews.Jesus didn’t create Christianity. Peter and Paul did by censoring, altering, and repackaging his messages in a way that benefited them and oppressed others. They preferred to keep their followers blind and ignorant of the truth so they were easier to manipulate.
>>539421897So go outside. Look at the sun.Its warm, its inviting and its freeing.Ah, who am I kidding, you guys are going to be stuck in the cave till I open it for ya.Not long now.>Let the Pieces fall into place.
>>539445575Christ had (has) first hand experience of dealing with the devilI know in OT they did not have a satan like Christianity does, but that does not mean satan did not exist. The book of Enoch which is now considered apocryphal has some more info on this and two 'satans'. The second, azazel, became the satan-corrupter and father of sin. The first one was the rebel leader who came down with his nephilim legion to get human wives.The TLDR version is that satan was given ample powers to corrupt/seduce but not to physically harm except in some extreme cases
>>539444714>im really not a fan of aristotlei only started looking at his philosophy when I stumbled across his hylomorphism. this article >>539444378 mentions how no consensus has been reached on what he meant by "deathless and everlasting" intelligence. ive noticed more than once that sort of "confusion" is due to obfuscation. the findings of Antoine Bechamp (pleomorphism, microzymas) having to do with deathless, eternal engineers of structured life have similarly been obscured. i like to think Aristotle imagined what Bechamp later saw in his experiments
>>539446249The sun is inside us. No one else can show it to you, you need to find it yourself.
>>539445593>a loanI'm reminded of this quotehttps://youtu.be/FS5kNZKuO5w>if a criminal has what you want, do business with him. - Gracchus
>>539445787Dresden was on Ash Wednesday
>>539446415Well, you say that and the world is still as it is.You guys are all on the right track and I love this thread. But step back and understand, you dont yet know.Ill provide it and let these conversations explode.Its not far away, but its also not immediate. You'll soon see.
>>539446378>I know in OT they did not have a satan like Christianity doesIt did, they just called him God instead.
>>539445995he can write however he wants if he's conveying useful information. so far you haven't
>>539446249Hail lightbringerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtsvh8nQLHA
>>539418350Those are Albanian folk tales written down by some these guys
>>539445787hating christians and hating christianity are two entirely different thingsthe hatred that you are perceiving isnt because of christianity, its because of their non-jewishness. their hatred of goyim, literally all non-jews. its called misanthropy and its why so many ancient pagan authors documented their behavior and warned you of it in advance. but instead of reading or listening to them, you opted to read jews. you never start with the jews, thats just common sense.christianity on the other hand is their baby, it is of their own devising, it is quite literally their masterpiece. it is the reason they are not afraid to spit on christians, and is why they spit on christians and pretty much only christians. its not that they dont want to spit on me too, its just that im not a christian, so they fear the reprisals. whereas with a christian, they know theyll just spread the other cheek and try to hand over their coat, and have free license to humiliate them.on a positive note, you people being spit on helps spread awareness to everyone else of how the jews really are and how they would behave if given the power to do what they wish. your example serves both to the jews of your docility and general cuckery, and towards everyone else your docility and general cuckery in addition to highlighting jews' uniquely jewish behavior
>>539446537No, thats the last thing I want. Im not a saviour, I aint a jesus figure. Im literally a stoner with too much time on his hands.Thats it.Nothing special.
>>539446468Who gave the order?
>>539445995It's easier on the eyes so you don't have to read all the way to the right side of the screen and get your precious eyeballs all tired trying to follow the conversation. I also use enter as a period sometimes because it's more convenient. Anyway the gay jew's name is Gregory Baum. Look him up, quite the shyster
>>539445932you dont even know the guy's fake jewish changed name? ffs
but wytbois don season dey food yall!>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ofnGJ8pufBQ
>>539446506Kek that's the deranged rabbis saying it. I doubt OT prophets saw God and satan as the same
>>539446584Interesting. Personally I don’t care for most Christians but I do respect Jesus and the Gnostics. I think anyone can find value in their teachings, especially if you are against Jewish evil.
>>539446660I posted his name. If I know he was gay and a jew, you would think I should know his name as well.
>>539437839>>539430204Nothing, exactly like the Byzanshits."Of that Byzantine empire, the universal verdict of history is that it constitutes, without a single exception, the most thoroughly base and despicable form that civilization has yet assumed. There has been no other enduring civilization so absolutely destitute of all forms and elements of greatness, and none to which the epithet "mean" may be so emphatically applied ... The history of the empire is a monotonous story of the intrigues of priests, eunuchs, and women, of poisonings, of conspiracies, of uniform ingratitude.">—William Lecky"Its [Byzantium's] general aspect presents a disgusting picture of imbecility: wretched, nay, insane passions, stifles the growth of all that is noble in thoughts, deeds, and persons. Rebellion on the part of generals, depositions of the Emperors by means or through the intrigues of the courtiers, assassinations or poisoning of the Emperors by their own wives and sons, women surrendering themselves to lusts and abominations of all kinds."—Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel"The history of the Greek Empire is nothing but a tissue of revolts, seditions, and perfidies."-- Montesquieu"There exists another history, more absurd than the history of Rome since the time of Tacitus: it is the history of Byzantium. This worthless collection contains nothing but declamations and miracles. It is a disgrace to the human mind."-- Voltaire“Let us not follow the example of the Byzantine Empire, which, being pressed from all sides by the barbarians, became the laughing-stock of posterity because it was preoccupied with petty quarrels while the battering-ram was breaking through the city gates"-- NapoleonIf you don't see how Gayreeks were corrupt idiots for eons you're retarded.
>>539446163yes. hamas and christianity are essentially the same psyop. both started by jews, both funded by jews for the explicit purpose of pretending to oppose jews, while actually just gradually helping them to further jewish interestsas per your other question, see >>539446584
>>539446607I believe Kurt Lewin came up with ithttps://youtu.be/Jsk9IXrBpLU
>>539445149Oh hello Satan. Nice of you to show up with your flimsy pilpul
>>539430868Sophia is not the Monad, it's the highest emanation of it.
>>539446660https://youtu.be/YYUqlXUVmSQ
>>539446706I see the Demiurge and Satan as interchangeable.
>>539442299>>539442414the idea of the world as being one of becoming rather than being. when you assimilate this worldview properly, the leverage you get over yourself and the world is indescribable, like waking up from a dream
>>539440459He didn't go after all Levantines because he had no reason to at the timeMaybe you can blame him for that in retrospect, but he had no way of knowing that the rabbis would go and convert other Levantines after the war. They used to proselytize aggressively back then, so much so that other emperors periodically would issue edicts against forceful circumcision under the pain of death. Again, loosely enforced especially in the lalter centuries, the same time other jews in Iran were slowly capturing the Sassanid state by marrying one of their own to the shahanshah. All the Roman-Persian wars after AD 400 were instigated by the jews
>>539446923But the logical conclusion of your philosophy is extreme asceticism in the classical Buddhist styleCatholicism has that minority movement too, used to be more popular in the past with the Dominican and especially Franciscan friars
>>539446811https://youtu.be/hcoNg1m6g7c
>>539447000checked
>>539446753there are things to admire about him, but nowhere near the point of supplanting your own godsmight as well just take up the original moism, atleast that way youre not being bogged down with the incessant chirps to engage in outright cuckery that was supplemented on top of it by a mohel (paul)but even that philosophy goes right out the window when faced with the reality of jews. these jewish ideas like christianity and communism are just like the godfather in that they insist upon themselves, but reality doesnt work the way they want to pretend it does. because humans are neither single minded robots who can universally adopt something unquestioningly, nor are they perfect if it were even possible to do so. so the whole thing gets completely upended by reality itself, and more specifically the jews in reality, who will exploit it at every opportunity and you with it.its the failure of its adaptation to this simple fact which makes it both not just useless, but actively detrimental. which is somewhat ironic, considering prior to christianity, jews did nothing but constantly adapt their god and beliefs to the shifting environment around them. ever since christianity, they really havent had to. like i said, christianity is their masterpiece.
>>539446811I'm really trying to understand this perspective and can't. ultimately all life comes from one source, so in that sense all animal conflict are brother wars. is America a creation of Britain? and so the Revolutionary War was a psyop of pretending to be opposed but really not?it may have been, idk. does it fit within your framework
>>539446918And the guy who made the video is a jew himself lmaoThere are some good ones, I think he is close to accepting Christ
>>539446806Interesting post. The bit about palace intrigue involving eunuchs reminds me of ancient Chinese history.>>539446899My mistake. Personally I think all the different layers of aeons and archons are a distracting inclusion. The simplicity of just having The Monad and The Demiurge is more intuitive and easier to understand.
>>539445932>Disputations of Pariswas 777 years before Notre Dame burned down
>>539437709This site would be garbage without yanks. It’d be germans and indians and israelis and there would be daily scat and brap threads on every board
>>539446918i think this video is wildly overestimating the importance of one gay jew's impact on the institution founded by all those other gay jewsthe simpler scenario is some secretary for their rothschild jewish king called up the zog cheerleading gay jewish pope and told him theyve decided to push faggotry in white countries in order to lower white birth rates and to proceed with pushing lgbt bullshit in exclusively white countries, and the gay jewish pope simply said: "you got it boss. i'll have one of my gay jews draw something up." and thats how that came into being.
>>539437356European/Asiatic subgroup. Not clear if any overlap with modern Jewry. Not obviously.
>>539447579You'd be here with a memeflag like me. Some US anons are emboldened by their flag to just make the most arrogant statements when, in fact, they would benefit from humility. >>539447371To make matters more confusing, the order of the emanations vary from sect to sect.
>>539447562I'm sure just a cohencidence goyim The difference appears to be 778 years and 10 months though but they probably did some kabbalistic accounting to make it fit for their sepf fulfilling prophecies
>>539447144No my philosophy is more like escapism, using the products of our ideas to fully free ourselves from material limits, needs, and evils to create new realities as beings of pure consciousness.>>539447281>but nowhere near the point of supplanting your own godsI get you’re pissed that the old pagans abandoned their traditions but sadly no one truly knows their gods anymore, only popular culture stereotypes about them.When modern people are born they are either forced to accept an Abrahamic religion or else are left to fend for themselves to find their own meaning in an atheist world. Maybe a Scandinavian zoomer would think Odin looks cool and try to worship him, but he will never really believe or love him or understand his true meaning/nature the same way his pagan ancestors did.The damage is done, all that’s left to do now is to find or create something new that can destroy Jewish tyranny over our minds once and for all.
>>539446596>even in shitposting my soul recognizes the majesty of the Lightbringermany such cases
>>539447755Checked and yeah your scenario is more plausible. But this guy did exist and was quite prominent. He did not act alone of course, all the rich jews supported him and this became even more apparent when he 'came out' and got a cushy sinecure at McGill university
>>539447899my family never stopped being pagan. we have an extensive history, a family mystery in fact. theres only the single religion, and paganism is that religion. we dont need to know what they believed when we can simply find out for ourselves.at some point youre going to hit a ceiling, some cultures hit that ceiling sooner than others, and you can usually tell when that happens by the fact it stops making sense and reflecting reality. with the white countries, they used oral storytelling as a medium, and so these stories are often constructed in such a way as to ensure retentance. so theres the exoteric part of the story, which is done to optimize how that story spreads through word of mouth, which often is some adventure or x doing y, and then theres the esoteric part of the story, which is the underlying metaphysical story thats happening.
>>539447899>using the products of our ideas to fully free ourselves from material limits, needs, and evils to create new realities as beings of pure consciousness. We are material beings, we cannot escape materiality except in death. I mentioned the Franciscans earlier because even St. Francis of Assisi who was the most 'spiritual' of medieval ascetics asked God for forgiveness because he had abused his body which he had no right to
>>539437606>whoa. any insight as to Cyclops?None directly from Sylvain Tristan's book but it will be another Romantic-era embelishment of something that originally would have been very practical, like an army or a king whose name sounds like one-eye without the vowels or just lost his eye in a prior battle.The whole Odsessey is peak late-medieval Romaticism. It is a dead-givaway as to its real age.
>>539448160Nope we are spirits trapped in a material prison.Through our reason and imagination and its products (given to us by the true God) we can create new perfect realities and escape the Demiurge’s flawed, evil, and rigged game.
>>539448235or medieval romanticism was inferior to it, and it demonstrates the diminished capacity of europeans after 1000 year long jewish-christian dark age
>>539448235Cycl-ops means round eyeKy-clops means cattle thiefVico has the best general description I've heard but is very roundabout/Lacanian@15:30+ https://youtu.be/tBhBtYmxFfc>dead-giveaway as to its real agewhat is?
>>539448154I’m not sure how much I believe you but I wish you the best in preserving your traditions and your spiritual fight against Judaism.
>>539447906Look, the hope you guys have is the reason why it all happens.Nothing can stop it. 10/10 for one of the best threads on /pol/ in a long while.
>>539447888checked. the trial took that long>The Disputation set in place a train of events which culminated in a burning of a great number of Jewish holy texts, on 17 June 1242.[25] "One estimate is that the 24 wagonloads included up to 10,000 volumes of Hebrew manuscripts, a startling number when one considers that the printing press did not yet exist, so that all copies of a work had to be written out by hand."[
>>539438529It takes a huge amount of unravelling but once you have your eye in for it it becomes very easy to spot. For instance Fomenko has a book "The Trouble with British History" but put these official accounts start with Shakespear and before 1450 what is put about as 2000 years of English history is easy shown to be retellings of ~250 of Byzantine Roman history with different names and from different angles. A lot of the names like Aethelbert have generic meanings along the lines of Noble Lord.
>>539448346What products?Are you consuming holy shrooms or divine lsd?
>>539438592Read the book. That isn't the point he is making. In fact Byzantine Romeoi are the only real Romans. The rest are wholly made up and the cut and paste lines are easily spotted.
>>539448779Technology. Products of our reason(math) and our imagination(language). Technology exists to make material existence easier for us. One day it will be used to fully escape it.
>>539447899Odin and Odyssey share an etymological root
>>539447202thanks anon. i hadnt even seen that one>>539448504
>>539430138>Doesn't post noseJew
>>539448518Thanks. Of course they were counting from the book burning not when it was condemned which was a year earlier or the start like I did (2 years earlier)The math checks and I don't believe in coincidences anymore. Especially when they are known to obsess with (numerology) and other stuff
>>539448882At least you're not doing drugsDon't put all your chips on the techno square though. We are one solar flare away from going back to the preindustrial madmax paradise
