https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/china-s-open-source-ai-isn-t-a-gift-it-s-a-trojan-horse/ar-AA28rzu4#commentsOpen source software is subversive and communist. I urge all members of congress to pass a bill into law outlawing the practice of free open source software. It's not just dangerous to our security, it causes innovative and great american companies to unfairly lose our competitive edge in the free market.
>>539443417I'm astounded at how many stupid people exist in this world and keep repeating "open source" when the source in fact is not open, and only the weights are for many Chinese models including Kimi.
>>539443417Are electronics demons? Are we doing consciousness transfer lite by even using a mobile phone or laptop?
>>539443417this is a danger to our democracy
>>539443417kys wayne
>>539443417was that headline written with a chinese open source AI?
>>539443417Anyone screeching about Chinese open source AI is just trying to protect their stocks. AI is a bubble and China popping it is based. These boomers would throw our entire nation off for a ponzi scheme.
>>539443417but the h1b jeet software is totally safe right
>>539445532You can download it fully and run it on your PC locally no? What are you talking about?
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>>539443417imagine being retarded enough to cal open source a trojan
>>539443417Lmao self hating chink has to double down on her American dream bullshit so she doesn't blow her head off in shame, sad
>>539443417trvkem
>>539443417The chinks are a bunch of niggers. And they must be genocided.
>>539445685That just means you have access to run the weights. It's "open weights", not "open source".
>>539443417>Open source is actually a trap.Its Open source, everyone has the capability to dissect and analyze the code before using it.
>>539445862They stole our technology to make it. Distillation training is intellectual property theft.
>>539445852still great to know that it doesn't bias in favor of Israel.
>>539445909Is stealing from thieves theft?
>>539443417MICROSLOP NEWS SAYS CHINESE AI BAD!?!
>>539445532what do you think the "source" for an AI model is you fucking retard.you have the training data (the entire fucking internet), the training method (the same basic QKV method that everyone uses), and the result of executing that method (the weights).
I wish AI didn't exist to begin with, so maybe the US banning the easy to use convenient version isn't a bad thing but this is such a blatant effort by Silicon Valley to make any competition illegal, they did the same shit with tiktok
>>539443417>"we wanna charge companies a billion dollars for it and monetize the shit out of it, but they're giving it away for free!">"that's not fair!"fuck the us globohomo cunts. china are based
>>539445950Kill yourself chink.
>>539443417how's the weather in tel aviv?
>>539443417God, I can't even imagine what jeet-free software is like. Please bring in the Chinese trojan horses
>>539443417>unauthorized “distillation.”I love how they whine about this when it no different than themselves training on stuff they read from random people on the internet.
>>539445852I have a friend running kimi on a private server, not connected to the internet, that will say otherwise.
>>539443417AAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGHH! A scary red picture! Take my rights away, take them!!!!
>>539443417They're weaponizing open source software. They're only doing this to harm American companies.
>>539446083>muh indians hurr durrEducate yourself faggot, we bring the best and brightest minds here from india and they provide skills that we don't have domestically. It's essential to have foreign talent coming in so we can win against china.
>>539443417>Open source software is subversive and communisthahahhaharemove linux from every company then you fucking parasite
>>539446182>t.
>>539446118FPBP
>>539446196We're already successfully passing laws to require ID verification on open source operating systems so we can close these loopholes.
>>539443417The tables should be turned on america if it believes terry should charge coinage for access to the third temple.Your money has no power if we do it for free, its our culture now.
>>539445532It aint about the ai, its about poseidon hash, groth16, plonk and diffie-hellman
>>539445950>Is stealing from thieves theft?no it isn't and these AI fags are woefully inexperienced at running large web properties and are also probably thoroughly penetrated by Chinese MSS via their employees anyway. >>539446049boo hoo cry about it bitch. These AI kikes scraped. lingen and then paid each author $3k a book in their settlement for something they're trying to make billions or trillions off of, so fuck em
>>539446559>lingen*libgen
>>539446102That's not the sauce, its the Spaghetti Bologna. Final product, not the ingredients.
>>539446101that's actually funny.
>>539443417McFucking kill yourself OP
>>539446559The concept of open source software destroys the profit strategy of a multi billion dollar industry. America is going all in on AI. Trust you me this is not going to be allowed to continue. By 2040 the idea of free open source software will be considered an obsolete and strange thing of the past.
>>539446102You are a dumb, dumb, piece of shit
>>539446830maybe one day you'll learn that the worst decision you could make is be evil. Unfortunately, you'll need to suffer a lot before some sense is driven into you.
>>539445701I miss mic posting
>>539446902You don't have to worry, canada doesn't have any industry outside of maple syrup and hockey. Nobody cares about you because your ai capabilities are nonexistent.
>>539446977instead of reflection, you attack. How entirely predictable.With people like you being an ambassador for AI, no one will pay for your stupid products.
>>539443417The US isnt any better
>>539447048Lol ok then enjoy being a slave to china. Make sure not to get your social credit too low, they're watching everything you do.
>>539447095you simply are incapable of change. You will suffer.
Chinese AI software should be banned. ALL Chinese software should be banned. This has nothing to do with Open Source, and AI isn't 'open source' because the source, ie the training materials, algorithms, etc. are never revealed and the model is a mere black box.Sink the CHINK.
>>539446830>By 2040 the idea of free open source software will be considered an obsolete and strange thing of the pastBy 2040 the US will have long collapsed.>>539446559Exactly. They literally pirated everything to feed their models. The jews are just seething the Chinese bent them over like a little boy in a jew tunnel.
>>539447323>By 2040 the US will have long collapsed.You wish, chink. We're poised even stronger than ever thanks to 8 years of Trump rebuilding our global dominance. The United States of America is going to last longer than the Roman Empire.
>>539443417should be very easy to prove this claim..
>>539446977No one respects golden rule breakers. Alot of us are pirates who couldnt care less that big tech stole the worlds ip. But we wont have it sold back to us for anothers profit. Your playing with skynet and canada has more defensible geography than afganistan, were taking a huge economic hit not just homesteading beneath tesla tech, if your not fun to play with your not going to see us around
>>539445909>>539446049How do you know it isn't Israel who is handing all this shit over to the Chinks?
>>539447446I hope you're one of those people who never see it coming and are completely unprepared when it happens.
>>539443417Open source is fine when you re capable of auditing the code. Beyond that, it's no different from closed-source
>>539447446oh god it's a migatard. Trump is giving us our Suez crisis idiot
>>539445685>>539445989Source is the training data and methodology. What color is your skin?
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>>539447446kek
>>539447677>oh god it's a migatardWorse. its migatard jeet.
>>539443417USA: "2+2=5"
>>539446118American companies are anti-human at this point. I welcome the Chinese to burn it all down.
>>539449132>burn it all downThey won't, they'll integrate it. It's how they always have done it
>>539449500Still better than having jews drive it.
>>539443417Then why did Claude / ChatGPT use all the open source software on public repositories on the internet in their training data to try to automate coding jobs?
>>539443417>it's a trojan horseWhat is Israeli backdoor microslop and abbo tech then.
>>539445909>intellectual property theft.The ironing in AI kikes suddenly being deeply goncerned with IP theft, or any theft. Lol. Lmao.
>>539446182>Bring jeets here.>To "vibe code" a significant fraction of their tasks with AI.Oh thank god we brought them here, since we were incapable before that!
>>539446329How will that have made them not open source all this time, besides having gay, overreaching laws that definitely meet the "chilling effect" criteria on unconstitutional laws?>Buh buh, we have to destroy the foundations of our nation and become like China, to beat China, so China doesn't spread its influence to make everyone gay and communist like China!
>>539449132At least they're not communist. Better dead than red.
>>539449717Don't question the narrative now
>>539445909>our technologyour technology openly stole all our internet intellectual property
>>539443417Says the mutts who spy on everyone.
>>539450264The constitution doesn't give you the right to open source software.
>>539443417>it causes innovative and great american companies to unfairly lose our competitive edge in the free market.There you go. That's the issue. I was confused why you are asking for that since all software created by big companies can be compromised but that last part solved my confusion.
with jews you lose
>>539445532SPBPNo one in here gets it. Kimi isn’t even open weights yet even, they’re just “planning on it”. Virtually no model out there is actually open source.
Doesn't open source literally means anyone can se the source code?Why would jews lie?
>>539443417trvkecannot think of anything more tranny/commie coded than open source software
>>539445909AI output can't be copyrighted. At worst distillation is a ToS violation, which only allows you to terminate service to whoever violated the ToS. With that said, this whole distillation thing is just cope for that fact that neither OpenAI or Anthropic have any moat, and have no hope of recouping their investment. The US economy is gonna go down in flames because of this.
I'll promote open source software more only because of the shills in this thread.Get fucked kikes
>>539445852>they didn't provide the petabytes of training data and millions of lines of code of gradient descent that wouldn't be useful unless you have a gorillion GPUs and a nuclear power plant to do the model trainingwow this is so evil
>>539450580Because it threaten the jew's profit margin. Can't compete with free ninety nine.
>>539450348Didn't answer my question. It does give everyone the right to speech and correspondence without a fear of said speech being used against them and refraining from it out of fear of said retribution, such as someone saying a no-no opinion about Israel, especially in light of many of the pledges by the government to go after people who speak against Israel, with their ID being forcefully linked to a piece of software and device they purchased and pay the electricity and internet connection for. It also violates the overbreadth doctrine, which is exactly what these laws do in casting a wide net to make people ID themselves on their own devices and their own software. These laws go beyond what was always accepted as states taking steps to protect the youth of their citizenry, and well into the realm of parental rights and control (which already exist with easily accessible parental controls as an alternative to government intervention, as was ruled by the Supreme Court the last time the U.S. tried this type of shit).
>>539443417>Chinese softwareTrojan horse, free>American software >Trojan horse, payingHard to choose
>>539443417stfu. this is you lol
>>539450306Rather be red than a debt slave
>>539443417Fuck off burger muttMake worshipping Jews punishable by death and we'll talk (we won't talk because all of America will be gone)>>539445909You stupid cunt everything those models have is stolenT. 20 years software Industry experience. If burger goyim (((shut it all down))) everybody will just run fat chink models airgapped locally
>>539451085How about you just don't borrow other peoples money instead of teaming up with the enemies of civilization and mankind to destroy the west.
ITT burger goyim crying that chinks don't take 50 gorrillion dollars worth of debt to Israel to innovate
>>539451238Is that before or after we stop continuing to make those communists rich by doing business with them, buying the products they manufacture (including many things for our own military, which the Pentagon has been screaming about for about 20 years now as a major readiness risk, especially if we go to war with China), that manufacturing base that we handed entirely to them in the 70s? Nah, that's fine, apparently. We'll just have meaningless tariffs, and no real reindustrialization that tariffs would protect the growth of. But god damn, we must destroy everything else, economy and rights included, to beat the Chinese!
>>539451578Which (((people))) decided to give them your entire manufacturing base exactly?You're doubling down on Jew worship hoping that it will save you from the consequences of decades of Jew worship. 8d chess
Open source has always been design by committee jeet garbageLook at gimp, look at 95% of FOSS software. They're all obtuse, janky, slow, and ugly.
>>539445909Funny you say that since AI itself got most of it's data from intellectual property theft. So the argument doesn't really make sense here.
>>539443417wtf China is based now
>>539451636I'm pointing out the utter bullshit of the people who buy this "we gutta beat da Chinese!" rhetoric that governments are using to justify the deliberate erosion of our liberties and further enrichment of kikes. They will never rise this economy above anything but a husk of a service sector economy, where your jobs can be offshored at the drop of a hat and you as a citizen have no hand in the manufacture of the products you use, because they make more money having it produced overseas for ten cents and very little expenses related to safety, to turn around and sell it to you for ten dollars, instead of paying the expenses it would require to have it produced here. What real economic power do you have in your service sector economy, that can't be brushed off with offshoring or mass migrating a bunch of "skilled" and unskilled slave labor surplus to undercut your wages and drive up the costs of everything else to make you suffer even more and make themselves richer? And this isn't even touching on the inflation and magic money bullshit that is the financial sector, which has its own contributions to the problem.
>>539443417>I CAN'T COMPETE
>>539451939Fair comment. I stand correctedKikes are the enemy of all non kikes, hopefully your country wakes up to this before it's too late
>>539451682>Look at gimp>obtuse, janky, slow, and ugly.I take it you've never used photoshop, then.
>>539451578China's not communist. It's the domestic communist revolutionaries that need to be dealt with.
>>539443417Lol retard they aren't banning open sourcejust chinkshit
>>539447716if source is the training data then all AI is open source retard
Well you have fun not using free Chinese models. I don't need my LLM to tell me what happened on June 4th 1989 to still be useful, especially since all the completely unpunishable copyright infringement means they have a better training data pool.
>>539452268You're alright, anon. I figured it was a genuine misunderstanding of what I was getting at. Unfortunately for us, I don't know if even enough people in our government are waking up to the danger of their short term profits of foreign bribes at the expense of the golden goose.>>539452452I agree on both points, despite the commie fear mongering about the Chinese from our governments. I won't see how my government emulating the Chinese for the enrichment of kikes will accomplish that, though.
>>539443417>china copies something>china: I invented thislmao kys wumao
>>539452736They invented Jew Free AI, a genuine technological advancement.Notice it's infinitely cheaper and runs on cheaper hardware
>>539452697given that it's open source, can't someone just remove all the CCP censorship anyway?
>>539443417If you don't open source your code then it will be reverse engineered and your company will be hacked + the source code gets released anyway.
>>539452830You're retarded. Also all the AI companies in china was international corporations majority funded by America. So I say again, kys wumao.
>>539452866Censorship is applied by the hosting service. Chinese AI hosted on western server don't adhere to the same censorship. They're also trivially easy to remove, designed that way on purpose.
>>539443417>MAKE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE ILLEGALHol Lee Fuk American's are actually retarded. (especially OP)
>>539453017The majority of Americas top AI researchers were born in China, and the founders of Chinas top AI companies were all educated in Chinese universities.
>>539453017>America funded their own competitionNo. Jews, you know, the ones who make all their laws and control all their money, funneled all of America's money overseas.And that backfired because the Jew cannot comprehend that tomorrow is the consequence of today.
>>539445532Didn't Elon get stiffed by funding an openAI company which then sold itself to corporate America for squillions? The US is truly a fucked place filled with brainwashed idiots.
>>539443417I think you belong in a concentration camp.
>>539453097The framework isn't hard the hard part is kikes allocating resources and wasting tokens keeping them all from noticing patterns
>>539453118Lol no Elon tried a hostile takeover of openAI, the board rejected him so Elon threw a toddler tantrum and rage quit the companyHe's been trying to sue himself back in ever since kek. Sam Altman outjewed jewlon musk
Impotent jews can only seethe in anger as china destroys their plans of world domination. Cry about it filthy kikes.
>>539453110Musk tried to take over a Chinese AI company and got rejected by the based CPC.
>>539449132China isn't better. There are no good guys. I support all sides. If any one side wins it's game over. The closer we are to worldwide mutual annihilation, the better it is for us. It keeps them too busy with each other to play their twisted games.
>>539443417Die, you fucking jew.
>>539445685Do they not teach you about computers in Greek schools or something?
>>539447323>The jews are just seething the Chinese bent them over like a little boy in a jew tunnelBut (((AI))) says the idea that yids rape kids in jew tunnels on filthy mattresses is entirely an antisemitic trope, created by white supremacists who are simply envious of jews' Chosen superiority!
>>539443417How do you expect the whole everything to run without open source software. This is a smooth brain take, please educate yourself or you'll look really stupid.
>>539443417>MAKE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE ILLEGALa stepping stone to making christianity (the bible) illegal.this sounds like a jewish/catholic play, only they hate liberty.
>>539450646>neither OpenAI or Anthropic have any moat, and have no hope of recouping their investmentThe kikes are gonna have Wall St and the gov't steal what remains of the goyim's money at gunpoint.In different words, the goyim are going to be forced to enrich the kikes while paying for their AI prison planet through forced investment in (((AI))) companies - because of "national security."
>>539453390Faceberg is such a simp.
>>539443417Yes.We must restrict regular people's access to the internet and also block then from running any AI locally.For the safety of this world the access to AI should only be done via subscriptions offered by AI companies.
>>539453622>There's no evidenceIt's like Jews forget that photos exist kek>>539453390Haha this is amazing
>>539451636bro the American AI industry is full of jews. Sam Altman. Dario Asmondei. Nigga please who the fuck is really worshipping jews here?
>>539453828This. The taxpayer will fund this Jewish siphon until there's nothing left. Only then will ai be allowed to collapse (ie no obligation to pay for the service agree you paid for it)
>>539454000It sure as shit isn't me. I run GLM5.2 for about 1/10th the price of Anjewpic or openJew
>>539443417>"It's not A, it's B">with an em-dash in the middleWhy would I read an AIslop article
>>539445532This is concern trolling by Anthropic shills. Nobody can legally release the "source" because of copyright law. Demand copyright reform to make releasing training data legal. You can but you won't.
>>539443417We should be curb stomping '''journalists''' that put their name on such articles.
>>539443417All right so where do I download it
>>539445685That's not what open source means
>>539443417FOSS is the future. Keep living in the past, old man.
>>539453962>muh photosI thought only facebook boomers fell for that.
>>539453537Every greek poster I see is a complete and utter retard. I don't think they even go to school past like grade 8-10 over there.
>>539454187Whose side are you on? Answer carefully or I might call you a jeet.
>>539445909Distillation requires training on the logits. They hide the logits and even the reasoning traces. You're just regurgitating a jewish lie designed for nontechnical audiences.
>>539445655your nation already has been thrown off for a ponzi scheme.fiat debt is intentionally enslaving you forever.now go pay off the boomers’ 35 trillion, retard.
>>539443417If US outlaws these open source models, the rest of the world will gain a competitive price advantage because they will use them.So outlawing them to protect frontier AI company's equity investors won't help them at all.
>>539443417>Their labotomized spybot net is bad.>Our labotomized spybotnet is good.
>>539454398I stand with whoever will eliminate the jeet biomenace plague
>>539443417hell yeah! give it to the jews, they'll keep it safe!
>>539454450Total Chinese Victory.
>>539443417>competition is communism ban it!
>>539454492That Chinese dude is a god
>>539443417 (OP)use "free stuff" is communism> - don't use free LLM> - don't pay 0.50 USD for 100M tokensvs> - pay 25USD for 100M tokenspicrel- "I've spent too much on datacenters poisinng local towns, and I need you to pay for it"
>>539454728typo: "poisoning"
>>539446101Probably they do this to some degree but China is powerful and smart on its own
>>539443417fuck you niggerjew
>>539445989they may have also used synthetic data. Also the specific curation of the internet woulf be usefulthe rlhf/safety tuning wpuld also be good to know
>>539443417so tired of seeing this fucking chatgpt sentence structure. even wubhumans fucks not using llms are adapting it into their posts
>>539453962>It's like Jews forget that photos exist kekIt's not that they forget. It's that "AI" is modeled after jewish thought and pilpul - which is to say, *truth doesn't even exist*. All that matters is using words as weapons to defeat an opponent.That's ALL that matters to jews. Gain reward and avoid punishment.That's why jews lie (and become lawyers) so easily. "Truth" is a naive notion for stupid goyim. All that matters is winning.This is also why Hitler famously wrote "Gradually I began to hate them." Because he was encountering jews and jewish pilpul.(This is also used to comedic effect in Marx Brothers movies, with classic lines like "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?")So it's not that (((AI))) "forgets" photos exist. AI is jewish. It DOESN'T CARE that photos exist. As a mechanical jew it's going to say whatever words, no matter how ridiculous or even false, it calculates are most likely for it to get what most benefits itself and other jews.
>to save the ai industry from a bubble burst we are going to quickly have to make open source illegal
>>539453110>America funded their own competitionAmerica OWNS the fucking majority shares in the international corporations that happen to HQ in china where it's cheap. That's not funding competition you stupid fucking lying fuck kys.
>>539453097Nobody gets educated in a chinese commiecamp you stupid fuck. Even Jinping's daughter lives in America.
>>539445532It's all spyware funneling everything inputted back to the CCP for parsing.
