>Red StarMaoist/Stalinist (or at least their site recommends readings from both to new socialists)>Libertarian Socialistanarchist>Springs of RevolutionMarxist-Leninist, extreme emphasis on Palestine and global revolution >Reform & Revolution: Trotskyist>Marxist Unity GroupLeninism with a rehabilitation of Kautsky, dissenting from Lenin’s strong dislike of him>Bread and RosesGrassroots Marxism, anti-vanguardism>CarnationMarxist but firm belief in achieving a handful of basic milestones in democratic politics in order to tighten focus and actually gain credibility for a revolutionary working class>GroundworkSocial democracy, extreme emphasis on climate change>Socialist MajorityReformist
Why wouldn't I vote for the accelerationist option knowing full well they'll only make shit worse?
>>539482941>National Political Committee>NPC
two trots form a communist party, the other day there are three splinters
>>539482941so its true Communists of Red Star vs Bougie faggots larping
/pol/ is now an openly marxist board
This DSA seems like it didn't exist until two weeks ago but it's got miggers seething and shitting themselves.
>>539483238I mean bro, the entire intention of Soros flooding the west with browns was to redistribute global wealth and establish a brown communist alliance like this.This is the culmination of his work
>>539484481and?
>>539484568There was a communist coup in 2025 of the DSA in the same vote that expelled Zionists
>>539484660With all fairness to Soros he said he hated living under communism and strongly preferred Nazi rule
>>539484568>This DSA seems like it didn't exist until two weeks agoIt was more like 10 months ago.
>>539484915Sounds pretty fucking based.All this shidding and farding about this party that has sprung up from nothing yet I haven't actually read a single bad thing.
> Socialist Majority> 4 out of 27 seats in a splinter groupThis word, I do not think it means what you think it means
>>539482941Bread and Roses are mostly ex-trots with a strong focus on labor organizing. They are centrists and the deciding vote on most issues. The DSA right has been misunderstood by a lot of recent mainstream reporting. They are popular front CPUSA types, which means they are less concerned with internal democracy than the left wing caucuses, and are more populist and open to working in coalitions with liberals. >>539485452Majority as in Bolshevik. They don't like to openly identify as communists, but they still believe they are.
>>539485635Also SoR isn't Marxist-Leninist.
>>539485452They’re called that because they favor achieving socialism through majority vote. Both AOC and Bernie Sanders are part of that group
>>539486040They reference Marx and Engels in their criticism of AOC in exactly the same way Lenin referenced them in his criticism of non-revolutionaries and use his terminology
>>539485218Marxism seems based?
>>539486168Bernie isn't a DSA member. AOC is not a member of any caucus, and predates most of them. The "right wing" caucuses are their strongest supporters though.>>539486319Citing Lenin doesn't make you a Marxist-Leninist, most caucuses across the spectrum will cite him.
>>539487174Using Lenin as an authority for your values and politics makes you a Leninist in some respect lil brobro
>>539486168AOC and Sanders are both social democrats rather than actual socialists. SocDems favour a gradualist approach, reforms though taxes and transfers. Real Democratic Socialists believe that socialism can be achieved through democracy, but also go further than SocDems in the sense they believe in owning the means of production and exchange. The difference is slight, but very real.In practice, however, neither Social Democracy or Democratic Socialism exists because both overlap as identity politics is the real glue of American politics now.
>>539487454Socialist majority are social democrats who believe socialism can be achieved by a socialist majority of the population
>>539487596AOC and Sanders are social democrats, not demsocs. Mamdani is a demsoc, though
>>539487659The party or group is called DSA and AOC is in it and got elected with their help. They did withdraw their endorsement of her but she is obviously trying to win it back because she recently got questioned if the DSA are communists and she just kept saying it is a free country it is a free country. And she also reversed her position on the iron dome. So it is clear she is pushing to get their endorsement back which is currently being blocked by the Leninists
>>539487265no it doesn’t. you just think you’re smarter than other people so make up rules in your head other people have to follow to not offend your sensibilities.
>>539487950That’s pretty rich coming from a Leninist
>>539487265Marxist-Leninism is a specific formulation created by Stalin. It's what "Stalinists" call themselves. Every caucus except arguably LSC will meet your definition of Leninist.
>>539487454Talk about the policy of infusion.
>>539488306Marxism-Leninism is Lenin’s reading of Marx in contrasted with the German reading at the time, and later in contrast with western Marxism. Trotskyism, Stalinism, Maoism and Hoxhaism are all forms of it
>>539488433fine troll, but too niche for this place.
>>539486956Compared to paedophile politicians and endless wars for Israel? Yeah, seems pretty based.
>>539488536It’s only “trolling” to you because you are hyper autistic. Which all Marxists are because it’s a religion to them, like Christians who say, “no, in one nature! The filioque!”
>>539488545As a democratic socialist marxism is fundamentally incompatible with my beliefs. I do not support marxism. Perhaps you would find the green party more "entertaining" instead.
>>539488694Marxists couped your group in 2025.
>>539482941>3 out of 27 are stalinist So its completely fake and gay and controlled opposition?
>>539488859You're delusional
>>539489064>The writer and activist Michael Harrington helped found the DSA in 1982. His goal was to build a socialist movement that would eventually pull the Democratic Party toward more humane domestic and foreign policies. He believed that a commitment to freedom of speech, elections, and other democratic norms was an absolute requirement for any socialist organization. And generations of bitter experience taught Harrington and his allies that socialist organizations had failed because they allowed communists to infiltrate them and take control of their organizing structures. Its founding bylaws accordingly permitted the expulsion of members who were “under the discipline of any self-defined democratic-centralist organization,” a slightly jargonish way of describing communists.>Militant anti-Zionism became a wedge that the group’s more radical activists used to drive away critics of authoritarianism on the left. In 2025, the group’s convention voted to officially remove its founding language allowing for the expulsion of members who worked for communist cells, and added a provision calling the Palestinian “right to resistance” a central tenet of the DSA. Having dismantled the guardrails that Harrington built to exclude communists, the group established new guardrails to exclude anybody opposed to Israel’s destruction. “Michael Harrington’s DSA is dead,” a dispatch from the proceedings gloated.>The DSA’s Red Star caucus was formed the year after the North Star caucus, in an apparent rebuke. It writes that nearly half of the members of the National Political Committee, the DSA’s highest leadership body, “openly identify as communists.”
>>539488869If you believe some SMC members, it's really 0/27. https://www.socialistmajority.com/theagitator/red-star-or-how-we-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-vanguard?rq=lenin>Their PoU are, aside from its own contradictions and cynicism, not even Leninist. As Lenin said, referring to abstracted, intellectual posturing in the face of serious, demanding realities, “politics begin where millions of men and women are; where there are not thousands, but millions, that is where serious politics begin.” Let’s not quit when we’ve only just begun.
>>539489313Castro gained power with a lot less than millions and DSA wants to turn America into Cuba
>>539482941Slightly outdated caucus history infographic. Membership is now 120,000.
>>539490266RnR and SoR are big now.
>>539482941These people need to be fucking tortured to death on live television.
>>539490266North Star got obliterated
>>539490486Vote GOP, it’s your best bet
>>539490567North Star was post-obliteration. The Harringtonites were anti-caucus, and only reluctantly formed their own after losing most of their power.
>>539488694You find Epsteinocracy preferable?
>>539482941All I see are Technocrats. Eww
>>539483238Because you may end up living in South Africa. >>539483555Kek'd and checked.
