From a simplistic point of view, we as Muslims do accept evolution in the sense of evolution as a means for change over time within a species is not in contradiction with Islam.However, we cannot accept that evolution without a controlling Director/Designer/Creator is the process through which all existing and extinct species have originated over eons of time from a common unicellular, prokaryotic (no nucleus) ancestor through variation in the genetic constitution of individuals and populations that was created by random mutations, recombination of genes and migration which was then exploited by natural selection (survival of fittest) or just randomly changed over time through genetic drift.If one comes upon three pieces of wood laying on the ground, then he thinks nothing of it. If one comes upon three planks of wood stacked on top of each other end-to-end then he logically concludes that someone must have stacked them up. If this same person gathers the three pieces and throws them up in the air, how many times will he have to throw them up in the air for them to fall back to earth as he found them stacked end-to-end? Even if the probability is infinitesimally small yet greater than zero, over eons of time it must become a reality. Is not the probability actually zero, just like the probability that humans have evolved from a unicellular organism without the direction of a Creator? I believe that all existing and extinct species were created by Allah and through which means He chose to do so does not remove His ultimate control and guidance from the equation.For us this is obvious and so basic, but the question is why you as Christians are taking Darwinian evolution as the default position?
>>539485091Naturalism as a religion has totally conquered western academia, as a means to push Marxism.It was always political, and useful idiots like Dawkins went along with the de-Christianization of the west, thinking he was some hero of rationailtyHe has since claimed to be a "cultural Christian" after seeing what Zuttslam has done to the UK
But most muslims are inbred retards. So how do you explain that?
>>539485091Honest question: do you, and your brothers in faith, believe that Earth is a ball?
>>539485091What would you do if you knew the truth but didn't want to say it—because it took so much effort to uncover that truth that you didn't want to just hand it over to some random pieces of shit—and, on top of that, an army of phd retards was ready to jump all over you because they think they're so smart and you're contradicting the crap they've been repeating like fucking moronic parrots their whole lives... how would you proceed? xDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z26A1mnQyPg
>>539485315>with the de-Christianization of the westThat's not happening
>>539487378It's pretty much happened everywhere except here
>>539487372What truth is it that it can do harm in the hands of retards?
>that flag>muzzratFucking kek
>>539487473pffff
>>539485091Evolution has withstood the scientific process designed to prove everything wrong it can. Religion can't.
>>539485091I dont accept it. U fortunately the jews that run my society brute forced it onto us in the 60s.
>>539487926Other way around. Religion is in perfect accord with philosophy, which is in perfect accord with logic itself. Theories like evolution can't stand up to logic. Ex nihilo nihil fit disproves it.
>>539488080>Ex nihilo nihilEsoterically speaking, God is ex nihilo nihil.What else is boundless and infinite but nonthing itself?God is nothing.
>>539488267>I Am that I AmGod literally claims to be existence itself in the bible
>>539487926You can't even use the scientific method to observe evolutionary theory. There was no scientific process. It was widely accepted and greatly pushed into general society because freemasons didn't like the idea that someone other than satan was the god of the universe. That was it. They still believe in the supernatural, but much like the promethius allegory. They don't mind idiots like you believing in a physical only world. You only see the shadows being cast but fail to see the puppeteers steering you into a direction of spiritual death.
>>539487372Your friend’s tone is frustrated and cynical, betraying a certain resentment (whether intellectual or professional)(lmao); therefore, responding with dark humor, irony, or a strategic approach is your best bet. Here are a few response options depending on the kind of interaction you want to have with him: Option 1: Ironic and strategic (Best for playing along) "Go for textbook 'intellectual gatekeeping.' If it took so much effort for you to find the truth, don't just hand it over to those who don't deserve it. Drop cryptic hints, publish an article under a ridiculous pseudonym, or simply sit back with some popcorn and watch them sink in their own ignorance. Silence is a superpower, too." Option 2: Machiavellian approach / Galileo-style "Pull a Galileo: tell everyone 'yes'—that the Earth is flat and they’re geniuses—while keeping the truth to yourself. If the academic community is just a nest of parrots with PhDs, let them keep repeating their script. The truth doesn't need you to defend it against idiots in order to remain the truth." Option 3: Cynical and direct (Short and sweet) "Say nothing. Charge them a consulting fee if they want to know, or just let them keep getting it wrong. Arguing with an army of know-it-alls is like playing chess with a pigeon: it’s going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board, and fly away as if it won." Option 4: The "monetization" approach "If it took so much effort, monetize it. Write a book, charge a subscription fee, or package it so that only those who pay (or prove they have a brain) get access. Don't give the 'parrots' the time of day; let them keep repeating their crap for free."3 vs 13 stfu, 1 make money xDDD based ai
>>539485091I'm an atheist only because muslims exists
>>539485091Because Darwin was a pretty cool dude, racist as fuck, and didn't afraid of anybody.
>>539488841I've always wondered how atheists can be both evolutionists while also anti-racist, how is it possible?You either believe we're all equal or you believe physical and behavioral traits developed differently across different environments
>>539489094>all atheists are one person
>>539488267>boundless and infinite but nothing This isn't in the bible>>539488523>God literally claims to be existenceHindu cope, the God of the bible said there is nothing like Him in the earth or in the heavens.
>>539489209not all atheists are egalitarian leftists but ALL egalitarian leftists are atheistsThat's what I don't get, it seems contradictory
>>539487423Good
>>539489094>physical and behavioral traits developed differently across different environmentsI still don't understand what's racist about this
>>539489281Most christians aren't even White.
>>539489354>it's not happening but it's a good thingevery time
>>539485091you can have natural darwinist evolution without god intervention just the initial creation of the systemtell me this, if a god (which the fundamental meaning is an all mighty being beyond comprehension) why wouldn't it be able to create an environment where a randomized system like evolution can select for traits?if you don't understand, think of evolution as an algorithm, we humans create algorithms often. but what the algorithm creates isn't made by human handsAlso majority of westerners aren't really religious, they don't attend church and have a mix of christian religious and modern enlightenment valuesi don't think you are a devout muslim either, most muslims don't know arabic and only know quotes from the quran they just memorize the whole thing but don't understand what anything is said, parroting is different than understanding, Did you know that adoption a thing that is seen as a universally good thing by all religions and cultures is banned in islam? why would muhammad not allow you to adopt a muslim child? an orphani would like to debate you on spiritual matters but you aren't here for that
>>539487926Evolution ultimately relies upon a destructive process (mutation) as the primary source for genetic variation through which new, more complex species originated from a basic common ancestor. How many new and improved species have "evolved" from the genetic variation created by radiation mutations at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or Chernobyl? In contrast, how many thousands of individuals from various species as a result of this radiation exposure were born less fit than their parents?
>>539490121Since you understand the theory of evolution, why don't you explain it such that I can understand? I will grant you the single, primodial "common ancestor" for all existent and extinct life forms - eukaryotic (plant, animal, fungi) and prokaryotic (bacteria). Describe in your own words the process through which higher organisms have evolved from lower ones. I can understand evolution in the sense of relatively minor changes within a species to adapt to a changing environment, but I don't understand how the "common ancestor" gave rise to bacteria, plants, animals and fungi. Perhaps you can explain this to me.
>>539485091Most Christian denominations accept Darwinian evolution.
>>539490397Evolution is inherently randomThis is why things observing evolution can take varying lengths of time and can have unexpected results (a population less fit or improved)The reason why things evolve to be better is because something better has an easier time reproducing, and something worse won'tBut you need an environment where such things is encouragedlet's take for example bacteriaif a human is the perfect organism why do bacteria still exist?, that's because only a single population of bacteria Randomly gained a mutation, which turned it into eukaryotic cell which through time that cell reproduced and with a higher population more chance for unique mutation of the individual can appear, this is why some eukaryotes are plants and some aren't or some are single celledin more simple words all the bacteria today are left behind, they still exist because they're good at what they're doing, but they rarely gain the opportunity to become eukaryotic, so they remain primitive. simplier life forms, capable of reproduction but not capable of complex thought like a human isthere's also something to be said about why second instances of life aren't being made, we don't know, but a common argument is that, since life is already here. any proto-life. that can become life, doesn't have a safe environment to evolve. basically our earth is full of predators both small and big but for this argument we only care about the small, a bacteria will eat a newly formed primitive cell because the bacteria is better, this is why we all come from a common ancestor partially and the fact that mutations like a eukaryotic cell is extremely rare
>>539490022That's not what I said
>>539490940>Evolution is inherently randomthe guiding mechanism of natural selection is highly non-random
>>539485091abandon your feeble human reason and trust in the word of the almighty god of the stolen foreskin. (or he will fuck you up bitch)
>>539491197The mutations that happen are randomthe selection process is not
>>539485091>we as Muslimsworship a pedophile who raped a 9 year old girl
>>539485091You do not belong in europe.Islam has no place in europe.You are a plague upon civilization that europe has battled against for centuries.
Nothing about evolution is incompatible with Christianity.
>>539491335they are not completely random in every sense, as biological constraints influence how and where they occur.
>>539491437I guess just claiming that's how God did it, makes it so
>>539485091Same reason people accept Niggers in their Schools...ZOG-Pimp commandments - Death-Threats...Cowardice.
>>539491627Get-Some ZOG.
>>539485091Many brave Christians sacrifice everything to keep truth alive.You will never know them or hear of them...Because they are targets of the Sodomite ZOG-Pimp,
>>539490940you asserted the theory again without answering either of>>539490254>>539490397actual issues with it
Ever since they said with 100% confidence we evolved from monkeys, then changed to we both evolved from a "common ancestor", I knew it was BS.
>>539490254>How many new and improved species have "evolved" from the genetic variation created by radiation mutations at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or Chernobyl?Zero. Radiation-induced mutations are overwhelmingly destructive, meaning they typically cause death, cancer, or severe birth defects rather than "improving" a species.
>>539485315>Naturalism as a religion has totally conquered western academia, as a means to pushit was never about the working men, it was always to give foucault boys to rape
>>539492545>Ever since they said with 100% confidence we evolved from monkeysNo one has ever made this argument genuinely
>>539491437This is only true if you cope and say Genesis was just le metaphor o algo
>>539492621random mutations are also overwhelmingly destructive and cause sterility the vast majority of the time
>>539485315dawkins said the experience of having been harry pottered by his boarding school dumbledore didnt affect his life or ideas
YIDS RAPE KIDS
>>539490940From what you've written, I think you're saying that random mutations occur, natural selection preserves beneficial ones, and over immense periods of time this eventually led from a common ancestor to all modern life. If that's an accurate summary, then we're on the same page about what the theory claims.Where I'm still struggling is the actual mechanism that gets us from one level of biological complexity to another.For example, you say that >"only a single population of bacteria randomly gained a mutation which turned it into a eukaryotic cell." But this is the very part I don't understand. A eukaryotic cell isn't just a bacterium with one extra feature—it has a nucleus, membrane-bound organelles, a cytoskeleton, mitochondria, complex regulation, and so on. How does a sequence of random mutations preserve viability at every stage while gradually producing all of that?Likewise, after eukaryotes appear, how do those eventually diversify into plants, fungi and animals? I'm not asking whether evolution claims this happened; I'm asking what you think the step-by-step process is that makes it plausible.This process of random genetic mutations and natural selection is supposedly how we went from a common ancestor to the different species of living organisms - all without Allah directing or controlling the process? I would not have a problem with ToE if its proponents would admit that it is more a philosophy than it is a science. My opinion is that ToE is the belief system (religion) of atheists that they adhere to in order to explain where we came from without the involvement of a Creator
>>539492734The vast majority of random mutations are not destructive or sterilizing; they are classified as neutral because they occur in non-coding DNA or do not alter protein function. Harmful mutations are common, complex biological repair mechanisms help ensure that living organisms rarely pass on overwhelmingly destructive or sterile mutations in a single generation.
>>539492877>But this is the very part I don't understandYou have the internet at your fingertips to help
It's not that muslims are inherently low IQ, but the populations that make up the majority of muslims, like arabs, ect, are low IQ. That's why they see a cactus shaped like the arabic word for God and take this as evidence for his existence, but are too low IQ to excel in scientific fields. Maybe in the distant past there was something like a Golden Age of Islamic scholarship, but thousands of years of negroid admixture has lowered their intelligence to the point that certain intelletual fields have become inaccesible to them.
>>539492877>I would not have a problem with ToE if its proponents would admit that it is more a philosophy than it is a science. My opinion is that ToE is the belief system (religion) of atheists that they adhere to in order to explain where we came from without the involvement of a CreatorThis is exactly what naturalism is and always has been
>>539485091Fuck off inbred paki
>>539485091Evolution is a bullshit theory and easily disprovenhttps://xenosarc.substack.com/p/from-a-mathematical-and-logical-standpoint
If God designed the penis, why does he ask Jews to cut off the tip? Why do men have nipples?
Not gonna read the thread, but acceptance of evolution is not inconsistent with Christian teachings.>God made everything!Cool. How?>Uh, he just magicked everything into existence at once!So you're saying God was unable to guide evolution to produce humanity? Is he incapable of this?>Of course not!Exactly.Evolution being a tool of God is entirely plausible.
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>>539493129I mean I agree in principle but why throw naturalism any bones when their philosophy was created to outright deny God?
>>539493164Amen sister
>>539485091your parents watched you get your dick mutilated when you were a little boy, abdul
>>539485091Go read up on what evolution actually is, go read up on the concept of genetic optimization. Your plank analogy really misses the mark. Evolution is not just things randomly assembling with no mechanism.Also, in regards to unlikely things happening. You're living it. Think of the near impossible odds that went into making you. Even if the world were 6000 years old. The probabilistic sequence from that point to you specifically existing is so infinitesimally small.
>>539493202> Increasing such knowledge of God would have multiplied the duties imposed upon us and worsened the sins whose omission makes us guilty. For, all else being equal, the more our understanding becomes clear without influencing the improvement of the will, the more considerable and criminal the infraction of our duties becomes. This has the consequence of making our situation all the sadder. Thus, it would have been to our greatest misfortune if it had pleased God to reveal Himself, if He had done it according to the false ideas of the freethinkers; on the contrary, we are well convinced that God, by way of his infinite kindness, has chosen other paths to make us part of the revelation and that these paths, far from increasing our misery, are destined to procure our true good. Thus, a revelation for our true good and conforming to divine kindness should have the primary goal of improving our will and should provide us with the most efficient motives to achieve this and, at the same time, only reveal what infinite perfections of God that we can comprehend without worsening our sins in the present state of depravity of our will. ... Moreover, almost everything they find in the Scripture is, for them, a stumbling block, while the completely unfounded tales that other books give them seem very believable to them as long as they are in opposition to the Bible. One thing in particular that to them seems entirely unbelievable is that the world had a beginning and, what's more, that it must have an end. They are afraid that, by admitting these truths, they acknowledge a direct action of God on the universe and on our present state, which is impossible for them to reconcile with the rest of their opinions. According to them, everything can be thought of as the result of ordinary forces of nature. They believe they are making progress and imagine that they are able to completely deny the direct works of God.-t. euler
>>539489568Normalfags are unable to accept the existence of categorical superiority/inferiority without also the existence of oppression or discrimination.In their mind if someone is smarter that automatically = better with the mirror that the less intelligent needs to be oppressed for being a fucking retard (comparatively). They can only accept the existence of human dignity, rights, etc. to themselves and thus their exact peers.If they accept that someone is not equal to them their natural reaction is hate and thus, since they believe in human rights, they must fight against the existence of inequality, rather than accepting it and fighting against discrimination.Because in a just world, with limited resources, of course you would prioritize those with more value (to society, which is offering the resources). >But anon we don't live in an extreme resource scarce society!Yeah but that doesn't matter to them, we COULD. And they reject the idea that their worldview could lead to (what they perceive as) [bad thing] in [different circumstance].>but doesn't that mean, in that extremely specific niche scenario, humanity is doomed?Yes lol. Normalfags will be the doom of us all.
>>539485091Getting to observe and know God's creation is 100% accepted in Christianity. Just so happens all observation so far leads us to believe the machinery of life happens through evolution- slow mutations over generations that survive environmental pressures. Who are we to presume this is not how God intended the creation to work?
>>539493129>Evolution being a tool of God is entirely plausibleits absolutely inevitable, and gaytheists started seething about contradicting Scripture the second darwin published
>The silliest religion >It’s SCIENCE! It is! It is!Nope. It was always only disproven by science. The followers of the silliest religion could never separate theory from scientific conclusion and relied on pathetic appeals to authority, lying and arcane mumbo jumbo. Now it is fully disproven by real science once and for all the question is how do the followers of the silliest religion explain themselves. Will they apologise?>DNA and genes determine form. Its science. They do! They do!Nope. Totally disproven now. So how do the looneys explain their religious extremism?
>>539493202>why throw naturalism any bones when their philosophy was created to outright deny God?With the premise of God being an observant being and or occasionally acting, there is no reason to not think he allows the idea of naturalism because it serves some design of his, regardless of the human-who-is-credited-with-it's motivation."The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."- Werner Heisenberg"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion."-Francis Bacon
>>539493115>why does he ask Jews to cut off the tipbecause its funny to watch them claim that makes them better than goyim. so Jesus could say if you circumcize a man on saturday why cant i make a man whole on saturday
>>539485091There are currently ~6,000 religions. if we extrapolate this to include those that have already been lost, the number is likely in the tens of thousands.Monotheistic religions are today’s world religions; historically, they are more of a niche, a modern creation, and in part borrow elements from older religions.Sorry, bro, don’t take it personally. The world never moves at a single pace, cultures develop at different rates.You’re welcome to go to paradise. I’m happy for you. But does that mean you have to be a pain in the ass to everyone in this life? Either your Allah created everything, or he didn’t. And if he did, he made me exactly the way I am. so how dare you try to teach Allah a lesson or meddle with his work?Do you see where this is going?
>>539493403Agreed
>>539493288Evolutionists themselves can't even put together a complete outline for the Theory of Evolution that is scientifically sound and reasonable, but rather come up with lame logic like "even with an infinitesimally small chance for something happening, given enough time it is bound to happen and become a reality by mere probability of chance". We have immensely more knowledge about molecular biology and genetics today, but evolutionists cannot get beyond simple Mendelian genetics of 1900 to have any semblance of science to promote their ToE. They point to fossils and commonality of DNA across species as evidence, but they do not show any model by which the needed changes could have emerged without some Higher Being directing the process. I am a scientist and I have detailed knowledge of genetics. The process of meiosis, gamete development, sexual union, and embryology makes me say, "Subhana Allah, wa bihamdi, Rabbil 'Alameen.">Also, in regards to unlikely things happening. You're living it. Think of the near impossible odds that went into making youAs far as I can tell, none of us remembers ever being a unicellular zygote from the union of a single egg and a single sperm. Yet it is a certainty that we were. This fertilization led to the "evolution" of each one of us within a period of only 9 months through a natural process from previously existing parents. Without those parents, could any of us ever have been born? Which brings us back to the seminal question, "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?"
>>539485315>idiot like Dawkins - random tard on /pol/>>539488625Darwin was Christian, you stupid faggot.>>539489094This applies to Christians too, you clown.
>>539489281>ALL egalitarian leftists are atheistsNot true at all, moron.>>539492971Yes, also all the inbreeding.>>539493077>evolution is easily disproven>posts random tards substack saying "god did it"KEK
>>539493836>Evolutionists themselves can't even put together a complete outline for the Theory of Evolution that is scientifically sound and reasonableThis is also, literally, at your fingertips
BTW you do know that we can now change animals from one species to another by an entirely natural process? We can also cause species that do not normally have them to grow organs from other species. So for example flatworms with working eyes and the brain to use the organs to see with. All by a completely naturally occurring phenomenon. Totally proven by science in experiments checked and repeated. To also rub salt into the wounds its all in the bible, it was always right there. I know someone who’s writing a book on it at the moment, the media is not informing the proles (of course) so i feel like if i explain it then i’m betraying that person. But its all real. Its time for wankers to stop being wankers and apologise for being the nutters of the silliest religion ever to exist.
>>539485091this guy is an angry little fag. he find the idea of God "petty and small minded" but became convinced AI was sentient over a weekend. all nonbelievers are simply unable to give up something they're doing that they know is wrong
>>539493949>its all in the bible, it was always right there.Sure bro
>>539493949>an entirely natural process>done intentionally by human handsI understand you're saying it didn't take any supernatural power, but reread what you wrote, did it happen naturally or did it need human meddling to make it happen?
>>539493836> I am a scientist and I have detailed knowledge of geneticsyeah noWe know that RNA must have been the starting point; we have observed that, unlike DNA, RNA can replicate itself without relying on proteins.We have various theories regarding the origin of these first RNA strands and are currently in the final phase of our research.In less than 10 years, we’ve practically replicated it.
>>539494152>human meddling to make it happen?Humans are a part of nature.
>>539485091The strong is good, and the weak is evil.
>>539493836>The science makes me say (unintelligble gabblygook)The science probably has a cure for whatever brain damage is causing those incomprehensible sounds. Maybe you had a stroke.>british flagthe UK needs help.
