The crime rate all accross Europe and America is dropping. Then why there is all of the sudden so much fuss about "migrant crime" on social media. It it some astroturfing, some psyops made by big tech (Peter Thier mafia), or people are just genuinely evil and racist? And would unronically prefer to return to the late 80s as long as the perpetrators are being white?
Is Rainbolt a covert FBI agent?
>>539495311These statistics record only crimes reported to and tracked by police which subsequently are recognized as>actually having occured>actually being a crimeIn other words where some level of active law enforcement persecution takes place.Misdemeanors, pretty crimes, traffic violations, civil offenses, unreported crimes, crimes where the police is not necessarily directly involved, like breach of contract or illegal employment, immigration violations, and so on, may all not factor into it, depending on local legislation.This is forcer limited by police underfunding itself.>they are at the absolute limit of the number of crimes they can actually pursueMeaning that the number, in effect, cannot increase, because they do not have the ressources for it, and those crimes consequently did not happen.Obviously there has also been a shift in the frequency of certain crimes being committed, compared to other crimes, like crimes particular to immigrants, further amplified by the fact that many immigrants will not report anything to the police ever, and crimes comitted by illegals may also not be tracked, because the perpetrator "does not exist".
>>539495311>The crime rate all accross Europe and America is droppingthe opposite of this is true
>>539496509>forcer>???further limit due to police underfunding
>>539496469idk he looks too ugly, he'd probably be at home in the NSA
>>539496511It's only being reported less
>>539495311The immigration issue is used to get votes ironically by right wing Capitalist parties who will continue to do it as we've seen in Italy.
>>539496509Well-typed.>We made crime legal. Now crime has gone down. Don't you zee zis means refugees are good for ze nation?
>>539496511>retard who despite living in the most knowledgable period in human histiory, where all the data is available to everyone for free contunues to lecture me about reality.
>>539496736Crime has dropped from ridiculously high, Max Max levels in the 80s and 90s. It's still ridiculously high, only now the police don't even arrest the criminals and everyone who does get arrested is permitted to plea down to probation. Trials also take ages to commence, so criminals can post bail, assuming cash is even required for that, and walk the streets for up to two years, committing even more crimes.This is how it is in the USA, at least. I'm sure Eurofaggots have it worse.
>>539496861Crime rate in America was always ridiculous high because that's who you really always were. And in the 80s and 90s it was a literal hell on earth.UK that is described by Elon as a "war zone" are safer than any place in the US by a significant margin and crime rate there is also lower than ever per capita. You just want to paint a picture of a collapsing Europe to feel better about yourself and stay being a useful slaves inside of the US, just like the Big Tech and Peter Thiel mafia want you to do. Since that benefits them personally and increases their power and mind control over the local cattle. The Big Tech had broken you beyond recognition.
>>539496731I refrained from going so far as to say they blatantly polish the numbers, but it's likely this also happens where certain groups of people are involved.In the USA this would mainly be niggers, while in Europe it would be asylum seekers.The fact they openly play down crime by these people "to not encourage racism" (which passively admits that these groups are in fact notoriously criminal, because otherwise the real numbers would encourage nothing), by at the very least hiding the racial background of the offenders and victims, makes extremely unlikely that this is the only fakery they engage in.
>>539495311>>539496861The only crimes that have actually gone down are assaults and murders. Every other crime has stayed the same or grown because police will sometimes refuse to prosecute or the sentences are so light (1-3 years) that it’s worth it for many petty criminals to commit crime and get out in a couple months with good behavior. Also keep in mind that medical technology has advanced to where attempted murders have increased more than homicides so in many cases people are still getting shot they’re just surviving while maimed and crippled
>>539495311You are a libtard.
>>539497048>can freely watch countless of videos of migrants committing crimes >uhh actually it's a Big Tech conspiracy, don't believe your eyes!!retardo
>>539497198> Every other crime has stayed the same or grown because police will sometimes refuse to prosecute or the sentences are so light (1-3 years) that it’s worth it for many petty criminals to commit crime and get out in a couple monthsThis is also not true. Petty crimes went down too. Also weren't you all concerned about violent crimes commited by violent immigranst who only cause crimes? Well the statistics tell you were all lying. Also you're not right about police refusing to prosecute or low sentences. US has draconian sentences, especially for career criminals. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about US has some of the highest incarceration rate in the world
>>539497317Because this is the psyop directed by racists to paint them as evil, when there's like 1000x more of them commited by locals, but then nobody would pay an attetion. Labeling them as migrants creates a false assumption that only them are criminals and not white people.
>>539495311>It it some astroturfing, some psyops made by big tech (Peter Thier mafia)do you even have to ask bro?
>>539496861>I'm sure Eurofaggots have it worse.Not exactly worse, but rather concentrated on a few shared issues.>certain groups of people don't report crimes, and if the crime was comitted against them they will engage in crime in retribution, which again may not be reported, gang wars style>thoughtcrime by whites gets the maximum penalty allowed by law, while violent crime by browns gets the minimum penalty>with a further bonus of sharpening thought crime legislation or interpreting it creatively to the detriment of the "accused", while trying all means to somehow get the brown released on parole, or convince the accuser/witnesses the crime didn't actually happen, or didn't happen as they believe they saw and experienced it>because they have le hecking racist bias and that 30 year old Somalian actually is a juvenile from a broken home with le mental illness get out of jail and commit more crimes free card
>>539496509Also many places in this country in particular are no longer being policed adequately because the logistics of policing them with less resources has become nearly impossible. Nobody knows what goes down in large swathes of the country where police can’t or won’t be able to respond to an emergency call, if a call is made at all. Many thousands of crimes and criminals are simply never even reported and thus there’s no investigation and no one is caught even if said crime did happen. It’s spooky to think about what goes on in dilapidated houses and nearly abandoned towns and parts of cities throughout the U.S.
>>539497317The problem about migrants in Europe rather stems from the fact that they are parasites who live off the welfare and contribute nothing to society, rather than commiting crimes. They are extremely docile and content once you give them free money and that's why they flock in such a big number to Europe, because who wouldn't want to have free money for existing?
>>539497552Too many people are oblivious of it.
>>539497402>US has draconian sentencesThe "US" only deals with federal crimes, buddy. Everything else is state law, which varies widely.
>>539497618>Faggot pretends rape gangs aren't a thing.Kill yourself shill
>>539497715I obviously mean states. Many states have three stikes law, meaning that you get life in prison if you commit a crime for the 3rd time, no matter what it is.
>>539497733>muh rape gangsWhy are you all of the sudden the mysoginistic incels and racist so concerned with foids all of the sudden? This is just another scapegoat used as an argument for evil racists. Now rape is the worst thing ever, because brown did it. And you're the guardian of female safety
>>539495311>Crime rate>DroppingNigger please. It's skyrocketing.
>>539497510There are seperate statistics for crimes by group, which show "immigrants" (in all their forms, but especially certain subgroups) are vastly more likely to commit certain crimes than citizens, despite their attempts to obfuscate it by not counting certain immigrants and foreigners as immigrants, meaning the numbers invariably are drastically higher than they look (already high).>that niggest nigger of niggers was born in Germany therefore he's not an immigrant teehee his 15 murders were comitted by Germans lmao owned, Nazi pig, whites are the worst criminals evarIn terms of violent crimes the difference is between 2-3 times as criminal and 10 times or more - higher AGAIN if you also begin to consider the dark figure.
>>539497733The definition of rape went up by a lot recently and amount of women who report it also went up significally, before women were often scared or ashamed of reporting domestic violence or rape.Why you, as an incel guy so concerned about women getting groped? This is not the worst crime on earth and especially it's none of your business as a man. It's the women that should deal with it. And vote accordingly, and they literally vote for more migrants so they love it.
>>539497797And you think people should be allowed to commit felonies 4 times? 5? 10? What exactly should be the limit in your opinion?Most white people scarcely collect 3 traffic violations in their life, nevermind assault charges.
>>539495311There has to be a common denominator to explain this.
>>539497510>when there's like 1000x more of them commited by localsno it's not true at all, but even if it was>local people are doing crimes>so..you should accept foreigners coming to do more crime too!>>539497618>They are extremely docile and content once you give them free moneyoh okay you are either trolling or completely retarded
>>539497972You fail to acknowledge that the crime is often associated with age and genderYoung man is the person the most likely to commit a crime of some sort and that's amplified by like 100x compared with other groups, the criminality decreases with age. That's why Japan and other old societies are safe, because they are literally old as demographics. During the times when there was high feritility and lots of young people the crime rate was a lot higher. The crime rate didn't go down so much because Germany welcomed immigrants, while Japan didn't... Still German crime is going down and its lower when Germany was mostly German.
>>539497934It's skyrocketing in your head and Elon Musks algorithms on X to brainwash the cattle like youI'm not pro-immigration, but lets be fucking realisitic
>>539498083The state system should focus on resocialization rather than punitive populism. USA spends a lot of money on evil things when they have the resourced to create a literal utopia for its citizens. They really are Russia lite in some aspects.
>The crime rate all accross Europe and America is dropping.
>>539498477Such things was a daily occurence when there were no migrants in the West
It's crazy that you think you would be able to change anyone's mind when you obviously can't even convince yourself. Better luck next time.
>>539497048Bro, there are shootings here every couple of months where I am ToT. You’d never guess where either.
>>539497972Also you fail to acknowledge that the crime goes down and will go down regardless, because simply these days policing is much more efficient. The surveillnce system nowadays is a lot more sophisticated and police has easier job at tracking criminals and applying penalties.The biggest problem for criminals isn't the the potential pentalty its the inevitability of it. When a criminal knows that he has next to 0% chance of getting away with it he thinks twice before making it. Still there are retards who do crime and often get caught the same day, but they are... well just retards, who don't know how things work these days.
>>539498617Shootings are a part and parcel of living in America. And you hear it and think that crime rate is going up, meanwhile if you had time travel and travelled to 1989 you would hear about the most vicious murders, shootings, violent bulglaries every day like if it was some failed state in the state of decay. All commited by US citizens.
More daily occurrences (pre-brownoid invasion, of course)
>>539495311Have you not seen how non-Whites get away with everything? They LITERALLY only get thrown in jail for the most egregious offenses and even then, there is some horseshit rule pushed by some subversive leftist NGO that gets them an early release. This has been happening across the West since the early 2000's, it is just FAR more blatant now. It's an open secret that judges and DA's explicitly use race as a determining factor.What evidence? Go look up that kike judge, "Judge Fletcher" on YouTube. You will see how he EXPLICITLY treats White defendants (especially White male defendants) differently than he treats blacks. It's seemingly IMPOSSIBLE for a black person to get a negative outcome from his horseshit judge but he will throw the book at a White man for a non-violent crime in a millisecond. This is exactly how things play out across the entireety of the West. If you have to deal with the current day criminal justice system as a White man, you better fully expect the system to try it's HARDEST to give you an inordinate punishment.They are trying their absolute hardest to directly intervene and make the ratio of blacks in prison lower and Whites higher. This is taught to them in their anti White radical leftist universities. As usual, the only actual solution is to kill the people who do this and to make people risk their life for their anti White beliefs.
>>539498898>All committed by US citizensNiggers, they were done by niggers you subversive leftist clown.
>>539499001Do you know most non-white jail inmates in America are for non-violent offences. What you say is totally not true. In fact police (often racist cops) automatically assume someone is criminal because he's non white. Whites are free being literal zomies on the streets of Philadelphia, while the non-whites are often going to jail for years for possession of cannabis in a state where its illegal.
>>539495311>why there is all of the sudden so much fuss about "migrant crime" on social mediaThat's who's doing all the remaining crime.
>>539499073Niggers are killings each other, whites are mostly killing each other.You know who's the most dangerous person on earth? Your spouse, because that person is the most likely person to ever murder you. And do coservatards warn people to never marry? Absolutely not they want you to marry and never divorce and become a child making machine, because the society needs slaves.
>>539499301Not true.
>>539498421I won't dispute that; in principle it's correct.Even before: the first aim should be crime prevention - to make sure people do not even become criminals - and I don't mean by repressive means like surveillance, but positive intervention, support, education, conditioning and so on.Naturally there are limits to this approach, and there are also limits to rehabilitation - some people cannot be rehabilitated; and there it's simply a question how quickly you realise it, because there's another important concern:>protecting potential victimsSo say you rehabilitate a murderer and eventually he commits another murder. What about the victim? Was your idealistic idea of rehabilitating him worth that person's life? Want to try rehabilitate him again after comitting a costly mistake once? Indeed the one who "rehabilitated" that guy carries part of the responsibility, and should also be persecuted for that second murder, since he enabled it.Persisting in mistakes is the ultimate hallmark of stupidity (including repeatedly comitting crimes and getting caught); people are supposed to learn.And this also applies to all sorts of punishment - is part of their purpose.>do crime>do the time>this is supposed to teach you to not commit crimes because you'll spend years in jail once again, maybe the rest of your life, and this is unpleasantIn comes this nigger, zero fucks given; doesn't even have the IQ to comprehend the concept of cause and effect or consequences to actions. He did eat breakfast today.Do you think this guy, who does not understand a punch to the face, will understand what's necessary for his rehabilitation? Or understand the concept of "not being a criminal"?In fact it's well possible he could never have been teached non-criminal behavior either, as part of crime prevention. He simply is that defective.Here the obvious answer is giving him the chair, treat him like the operating psychopath and menace to society he is.
>>539498743Yeah, I just addressed this in detail in my other post, and there's some more I wanted to add:I believe jail sentences are utterly ridiculous.They serve little constructive purpose and cost large amounts of tax payer money.>to contain a bunch of psychos for 10 or 20 or 50 yearsI do not believe that is necessary, and punishment should be about making good on the harm caused, not torturing the retard who comitted it with a 20 year holiday in the zero star hotel.Instead virtually every significant crime, at least on first offense, should be punished with a fine and/or damages only.You get an ankle monitor and work off your debt.Now if that doesn't work out or the guy commits more crimes, despite literally being tracked by police, there are two options:>forced labor>death
>>539500249While I do agree that murderers deserve life behind bars I do not agree that non-violent offenders deserve it
>>539495311>Crime is down because we stopped reporting itayyootings be lookin up mon
>>539495311Just recorded differently. In my country; you are a migrant if 1 parent is foreign born or you yourself are. That means within 2 gens you become a native. Which means we now have many full blooded turks&moroccans who count as dutch in the stats. They are cooking the books.
>>539495311>Then why there is all of the sudden so much fuss about "migrant crime" on social mediaIt's because you can't advocate for the continued existence of your people in the west unless you justify it by some fucked up utilitarian morality. If immigrants are in any way better or as good as native Europeans, then it must mean that it's morally okay for native Europeans to go extinct. The people talking about immigration or the GDP or whatever understand on a very deep level that immigration is an existential threat and that you must put a stop to it, but our culture has robbed them of the ability and even the language to voice that feeling.
OP and other lying libtards deserve picrel to happen to them.
>>539495311Governments actively manipulate how crime statistics are reported, sometimes outright censoring data, because they picked up on the fact that it's an inconvenient truth that non-Whites commit crimes at disproportionately higher levels. Anything that provides fuel for racism is considered blasphemy.Some people will try to claim that crime levels are universally down. Even if true, that's irrelevant. It's still worthless, subhuman shitskins that are committing crimes disproportionately, so we will always benefit by their absence.
>>539498898I know you’re a no-guns pollack but you don’t realize that niggers don’t know how to shoot a gun and citizens with guns actually do and stop murders. I’m sure in your eastern bloc head, America looks like the Wild West but it’s much more uniformed than your fragile state.
>stop taking reports of crimes>stop enforcing laws>stop arresting and charging shitskins>let any that do get caught walk free and drop all charges>if all else fails list a vantablack nigger as a white mansee see see crime le down only le evil le whitoids do le crime!!!!!
>>539495311not true for europe and a lot of crime isnt even prosecuted these dayscriminals literally get let off
>>539500674Again yes, our ideas align somewhat, and I need to elaborate a little on>>539500609First off: this ankle monitor payback time should also involve other measures, like therapy, rehabilitation, or whatever constructive measure to keep him under control and achieve rehabilitation and crime prevention.Second: There's types of crimes or behavior that doesn't initially warrant escalation to labor camp or death. Say you do theft, work off your debt, and then commit theft again, or even do so during the penalty period. Often a simple repeat will be good enough, but general repeat offending does warrant increasing penalties, and patience should not be excessive; won't take long to realize the guy is irredeemable, doesn't get the message, 2, 3, 4 offenses maybe, unless they are pretty crimes.Third: The concept also relies on there being decent initial crime prevention, meaning education, social support, and so on, not half-assed shit like today. Corporal punishment is good too, when applied correctly. If the kid rightly deserves a beating he should get one. Usually he'll think twice about it in the future. It's simply conditioning.>fuck up bad>this has very unpleasant consequencesHow well this works on adults I'm not sure, but it's worth an attempt. Definitely cost-effective, and can come with some added humiliation. Torture would be reserved for especially severe death penalties though. I don't expect that to be a frequent necessity. Maybe record it on video and show future candidates what's in store for them if they continue down this route.Potential future criminals should be weeded out early and placed under corresponding care, or surveillance, if right out of childhood it's clear the kid is fucked up despite your best efforts. No need to take any chance; he might just be a failed project that cannot function in society. Maybe have a special village for them (or Battle Royal arena).
Even the more mild murder cases should be treated this way, but with added care, although if the risk is evaluated as being too high he should go straight to the labor camp and spend decades there, possibly his entire life if he can only do menial labor worth fuck.>will take a while to accumulate the damages due to the bereavedAlthough especially good conduct and productivity should also allow an upgrade to ankle monitor standard in public.Also a (rather remote and carefully evaluated) chance of reprive if the bereaved desire it (make them stay 24h in a room with the guy? If they die, well, seems like their idea was dogshit).Severe or persistently dangerous murder cases should go straight to the camp, and in rare instances death, if there's virtually no chance of extracting any productive labor from the guy; again the bereaved could get some say in that.>receive only a minor damage payment from the state but the murderer goes straight to the chairSounds pretty reasonable.
>>539495311In the UK their government told them they're simply going to stop releasing data pertaining to race and crime statistics. No data for you! Data might radicalize Brits! Be ignorant and stupid and docile instead!
One problem just came to mind with this all:>what about richfags?He can just go out, shoot dead a guy, pay the fine, and be home for supper?To an extent, I guess. It's a bit of a problem, and can be approached in various ways, the best of which may be confiscation of a set percentage of their assets.The damages due should also increase slightly, but not in ridiculous ways - people shouldn't profit based on their relative's murderer's wealth.In fact the confiscated wealth could go into a fund that pays some additional compensation in all cases, and pay part of the damages totally useless and destitute (or dead) murderers fail to pay.
I hereby declare myself the inventor of Murder Socialism.
Just toasting so it remembers my name.
>>539496861Population used to be more concentrated so everyone had to worry about crime. Now, in America at least, we have zones where the police have nothing to do and others where they have so much to do that they only respond to active violent crime..If you don't live in an upper class area then there is a good chance you will end up living in a shithole where crimes like care break ins see very common
>>539496631Exactly this. Here in Chicago they encrypted all the police scanners to hide the crime reports.