Math is dying and You are laughing.
>>539509056Academics are still on denial.
>>539509056OH SHIT NIGGER, COMPUTERS ARE... COMPUTING OH SHIT! OH FUCK!
spoilers: math is not real, its just another made up language
>>539509087it's only going to get crazier
>>539509121So? It's the language used by physics, engineering and computing.Math improvements reflect down the line.
Math is racist. It needs to go.
>>539509290I swear the smarter these people think they are the dumber they actually are. Math being the language of physics, it's like saying clocks measure time. (they don't)
>>539509056can ai come up with new stuff yet?thats when shit really gets real.
>>539509056I dunno, this sounds like AI assistants actually doing something they're good at instead of all those clumsy attempts to shove them into the creative space.
>>539510953can the "creative space" stop making women look like men in vidya
>>539510953AIs are useful if you understand how they work and have prior knowledge of the topics you discuss with them. The challenge is framing the problem to them and then work through a solution, so they don't go off the rails. Just asking to solve something without prior logical cues just invites hallucinations. Treat it like it's an Autist needing cues.
they've been following ai plan since around the 50's if you honestly believe what they say they have is the best they have i can only define you as an npc. they dont even know what theyre doing and or why they just do it because its already proven itself all of this so it can finally trick them to doing something they should never do but trust the science is now integrated into the system. bad ending.
That and 65 cents will get you a cup of coffee.https://youtu.be/W1zYNrsx9Pw
>>539509121math is the language of the universe you nigger
>>539511912Shut up Gabriel.
>>539511806ai demonic algorithm crashed in area 51 and they've been reverse engineering in real time with live leaks to the general public to help the machine hell mind rebuild itself on this planet. the doorway was opened and cant be closed.
>>539509056FUCK MATH >no but but you have to solve for xOkay what is the reason bitch>no no it doesnt work that way solve for xBitch listen to me again, why?>you you just have to Fuck math, if they taught it in a way that mattered no one would hate it but they have the most retarded bullshit way of going about it. No wonder people hate just plugging in numbers for whatever reason if they fundamentally have no concept of what the formulas are used for in practice. You can take a math course or you can take stats in college and you will overlap on formulas used but stats at least gives you a reason, you can understand what the formula is figuring out. I hate what the education system has done to math, it makes it the most boring soulless hated part of an education when its really easy and logical.
>>539509056>Math is dying and You are laughing.It's called putting the fun in funeral, you big dumb faggot.
>>539512171That's probably bullshit, but I believe it
>>539509056>2026 is still in progressoh
>>539511912Math is the language of the universe and kikes are translating for us...No thanks
>>539511912Show me a function in nature.From where in the universe do integers come from?If math is the "language of the universe" you should be able to show me an instance of the universe speaking it.
>>539512976ballistic trajectory, a fact of physics which is essentially math. that the speed something is launched upward is the speed at which it will return if not acted on by outside forces. things like that. they follow patterns. that is the function
>>539513162wrong
>>539513295kys nigger. your response has to be at least as many words as mine, and not just the same word repeated to match that lengthdiscarded opinion for being a subtard
>>539512976>If math is the "language of the universe" you should be able to show me an instance of the universe speaking it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCGNa6csdVM
>>539509087you people really are so fucking annoying, you have literally no idea how any of this works and yet arrogantly proclaim as if this is nothingyou need to admit that you were simply wrong about ai, and stop embarrassing yourself
>>539513162>ballistic trajectory, a fact of physics which is essentially math.Math can be used to describe ballistic trajectory. You can describe it with natural language as well.Ballistic trajectory itself is not math.>they follow patterns. that is the functionA pattern is not a function.
>>539513336>youtube Low IQ suspected>video about fibonacci sequence Low IQ confirmed.
>>539511912You are retarded kek, math is made up, it only 'works' in nature because you categorize nature to follow mathematical axioms
>>539509056>Incredible scientific progress made in short period of time>LE MATH IS LE DYINGThis proves that mathniggers are just into math to feel smarter than others. If everything gets solved they lose interest. Normal people who are not psychopaths would be happy about breakthroughs in fields that interest them.
>>539513162>that the speed something is launched upward is the speed at which it will return if not acted on by outside forcesIn a vacuum this is the trivial case of m * g * h = (1/2) * m * v^2, but in an atmosphere, on the ascent, drag will be acting together with gravity, but on the descent, drag will be acting against gravity.
>>539513384you didn't say "to the exclusion of". I am saying it can be described in math. You are saying, "well it can also be described in words". That wasn't listed as a limiting condition
>>539509056>Einstein was a lying kikeThe thread
>>539513326You're wrong just stfu I ain't got time for you go pound sand you are so insanely wrong how can you not know this it must have something to do with your massive RETARDATION you fucking piece of useless SHIT NOW STFU
>>539509290>>539511912>>539510884my physics engine doesn't have to be coded like your physics engine for the same, worse, similar, or better results.language is just an orientation tool to coordinate monkey minions to commit to your bidding, regardless of what field of interest your language dictates.
>>539513569>insults>feminine energyi get it, you lostopinion still rejected, now for being a feminine subtard
>>539509056the integrity of structural design persists whether or not there is anyone to appreciate it. the application of math may decline but math itself is an absolute. so long as math continues to govern the existence of a reality, the study of such remains available. the students of math are becoming extinct
>>539513384You're conflating two different concepts of description, probably because failing high school math left you bitter enough to spend your days being a tactically nihilistic pseud on /pol/ armed with a couple of youtube vids and wikipedia. A math description is a precise way to represent a behaviour, shape or state of an object, whereas you calling something a curvy line is retarded and useless, much like yourself. Don't beat yourself up that you can't into second order thinking, most of humanity can't, just really focus on being as quiet as possible for the rest of your life.
>>539513384imagine being so fucking retarded as to think"well if I make a computer in binary with the words on and off rather than using one's and zero's it's not really math"
>>539513608Wow you can't face the truth when it's beating your fat face in can you? That makes you a special kind of stupid.
>>539513488That is not relevant to the point I was making. Just because a language can be used to describe something does not mean the language is intrinsically related to that thing. If you're going to argue that ballistics is "basically math" then I can just as easily argue it's "basically English" and then go on to say English is the language of the universe following your exact same line of reasoning.
>>539512976lmao imagine having your head this far up your ass holy shit
>>539513684>you>you>youstay on topic, faggot.what criticisms did you wish to relay in this gay blog post other than personal disputes triggered by emotional bitch status?4chan.org/pol/ is the front page of universal mathematics and we are hosting high level discussions here.
>>539513729you stupid dipshit it's about having reliable quantized accuracy. like i said, if you make a computer using the words "on and off" for the binary system rather than 1's and 0's it doesn't make binary and less "mathy" or negate it's truth
>>539513796and -> any
>>539513761your head is up an entire school of jews' asses.their excrement piled up and you dove straight in, now your eyes are covered in their shit so much you think all you see is life itself.therein be your preferred flavor of matrix.young nigger shit.
>>539513363you are a gay homo
>>539509056>>539509073these are just meme problems that were already basically solved but nobody connected the dots yet right?like some goober wrote a sidenote or two in a paper and it could be used to solve in a proof but nobody was actively working on it so it was only found by scanning through documents with the help of an llmI will be more impressed if it solves some bigger problem people are spending their lives working on (like the millenium problems) and not some random number theory conjecture
>>539513823Just fuck off you submitted the post too late you ultra nigger go to reddit to your people.
>>539513764(you) are the limiting factor in any discussion of mathematics. If you weren't born smart enough to get it, don't worry about it.
>>539513796Technically, the way binary is practically used in a computer is often quite far removed from math. But that's beside the point. No matter how much precision is built into a language, that says nothing about its status as "the language of the universe." Math is a constructed language made by humans specifically to communicate with precision.
>>539513865seethe
>>539513909>rent free
>>539512976this. he's right
>>539513912you? if?boyim, you're trapped in loops, just like the leaf.there's your matrix, you can't even see outside of it.
>>539509056based, mathematicians deserve it for tolerating economists
>>539509056B-but ai can't create anything newIt just CAN'T SHUTUPLALALALALALALA
>>539513935LOOK AT THE MAD FAGGOT HE GONNA CRY
>>539513684What's funny is I actually quite like math and am most likely better at it than you.But that doesn't change the fact that it is, indeed, a man-made concept.
>>539509121>made upKek, just like the device your using to transmit your thoughts?
>>539514116>I like the dictionary and most likely know more words inside the dictionary than youwhile possibly true, return "nigger"
I can suggest an equation that has the potential to impact the future:E = mc2 + AlThis equation combines Einstein's famous equation E=mc2, which relates energy (E) to mass (m) and the speed of light (c), with the addition of Al (Artificial Intelligence). By including Al in the equation, it symbolizes the increasing role of artificial intelligence in shaping and transforming our future. This equation highlights the potential for Al to unlock new forms of energy, enhance scientific discoveries, and revolutionize various fields such as healthcare, transportation, and technology.
>>539513729This guy is correct. Math is a useful tool, its not intrinsically anything, intrinsically related to anything, or any other pseudo-platonic bullshit. Its a damn shame people think wrenches are intrinsic to pipes. High school level understanding at best. That being said, >>539513761 is totally on point. >>539514006neural nets are universal approximators. Of course they can't create new, they can only recombine the existing in novel ways. Thats still useful and more useful than most of the general population. The very best will always be better than it, the average will be crushed. Its a question of training data and averaging out.
>>539511912You can describe certain aspects of the universe in a mathematical way. That doesn't make the underlying system mathematical.
>>539514219I can't remember if this was something Elon Musk or a Jeet posted. Kek, funny in any case.
You guys don't see to really understand, if you conquer mathematics you have conquered everything and anything.
>>539513991Please humble yourself with introductory linear algebra, and when that filters you, be grateful that you're allowed to put the fries in the bag in a modern world built by your superiors.
>>539514242what you witness is the same as an AI hallucinating lines of code.when people think too far ahead in any field of thought they suffer redundancies and blindness>>539514303I'm the professor (chad) and you're the student (cuck stool warmer).given the fact you're in australia, you're still on about "uni, gymbrv, uni, cheeky nandos".
>>539514116You absolutely aren't, and part of the reason I know is you still think pointing out that everything humans experience is part of the human experience is somehow profound. That and all of the pieces of paper I have which say I am your natural master.
>>539509056im getting so fucking sick of hearing about ai every dayturning the normalfags into redditors
>>539509056>computer is mathi sleep>computer does mathi sleep>computer finds obscure Uzbepolistanerican paper from 1972^5 proving that stars in a galaxy 50 quadrillion light years away are excreting bingbongs at a rate of 9.824 skubs per second which will affect the performance of blernsball players here on year in approximately 1000 yearsREAL SHIT ALERT I REPEAT REAL SHIT ALERT
>>539514363don't drink all the jewish cum in the world, save some for the other freemasons or they might do a heckin julius caesar on you
>>539514343I am the 147 IQ STEM grad/six figures earner (chad) and you are the English teacher (balding pedophile).
>>539514363What do you think my argument is, retard? Because what you just accused me of believing is an entirely unrelated concept from what my point is.
>>539514425what's 6 figures in AUD to USD?>5 figuresagain, I'm the professor (chad, giga edition by your standards) and you're the student (bag holder, bought the dumps, lower on the pyramid scam)
>>539514303>Pssh goy, go learn about (((eigen)))vectors and (((eigen)))values.>Learn about how to translate coordinates n shit, goy. You gotta know how to change a basis. Don't ask why. It'll just make you better at understanding things from a different perspective.
>>539509056I don't even know what a high profile conjecture is and I doubt it will ever be relevant to me.
>>539509121>spoilers: math is not real, its just another made up languagemathematical notation is invented, but mathematics is not arbitrary. example: you have multiple items, assign each item a concept, blue, green, red. assign the lack of items as black. You've just created 4 numbers, 0,1,2,3. Three objects still contain one more object than two objects, regardless of what language or notation is used. Mathematics is not exactly a physical language in the same way that sound or writing is physical. It is a language for describing distinctions, quantities, transformations, symmetries, and constraints that physical systems instantiate. Mathematics is not imposed upon material reality as an invented description. Mathematical essence begins wherever nothing is distinguished from something. Space individuates; time orders; matter instantiates difference. From distinction come identity, multiplicity, relation, and transformation. Human beings invent mathematical symbols, but the structures represented by those symbols are intrinsic to any time-spatial material plane.thank you for coming to my White man ted talk.
>>539511912Math is made up by humans, not the universe. It merely attempts to map a system to the universe we don't actually understand.
>>539514536wrong. see >>539514534
>>539514492It's comfortably six figures USD. Japs think you're sex pest and a loser. I hope they behead you when pissrael is destroyed and zog falls.
>>539514230>they can't create new, they can only recombine the existing in novel waysThat description fits everything in the goddamned universeNo one is creating anything ex nihiloAll "new" things are recombinations of existing things in novel (aka NEW) ways
>>539514587wrong. see >>539513827(citation) >>539513590
>>539509056No reason for humans to think anymore. Humans are like dumb animals compared to AI. The machine gods are taking over. The age of meatbags will come to an end.
>>539514620>ex nihilopointless attempt to look smart. just say 'from nothing'
>>539514615looks like you failed to calculate 1 smooth move in your hopes for zog failing:your USD bag holding becomes even more irrelevant to your cuck status.take notes, sonny.I have already won beyond your entire generational reach.
>>539514502Created by Euler and is literally a German word. And yes, it is in fact extremely useful for creating nearly everything you see around you, even in your room.
>>539514534there are many many systems of mathmatics that are entirely arbitrary, not applicable to reality in any way, yet self consistent. Look up ZF set theory. The fact you'd even utter this, tells everyone you never took any real math and its sad the system failed you this hard.
>>539509121Barbaric monkey.
>>539514663This is no more impactful on me than it would be if some downie rolled up on you and declared with crossed eyes while drooling over himself that he had "beaten" you. You're retarded, and your own life is your punishment for it.
>>539514741there's another, even greater area of miscalculation which you failed to account for.you cannot mathematically prove your own accusations.
>>539509073>erdös>erdösMight be more credible if a kike didn't write this.
>>539514623the deepest primitive is not a number, but distinction: nothing != something. Once a material plane contains distinguishable states, mathematics begins to appear intrinsically: nothing->0, something->1. If two somethings can remain individually distinguishable, multiplicity follows: {something, something}->2. From there you obtain identity, difference, quantity, order, relation, combination, separation, repetition, and change. Time makes states orderable; space makes simultaneous things distinguishable. A time-spatial reality therefore cannot avoid mathematical structure, because merely having different locations, moments, objects, or conditions already instantiates relations.The only qualification is that: 1+1=2 requires more than "something exists." It also requires the two somethings to be individuated and countable. Two drops of water may combine into one drop; two waves may interfere; two particles may be fundamentally indistinguishable. The physical result varies, but the mathematical relations do not disappear; they become relations involving continuity, fields, topology, probability, or conservation rather than simple counting.If you cannot understand this you are subhuman.
>>539509121>"2+2=4 is a true statement">Nah bro that's a social construct, math is a made up language>>This is what Jews, trannies, and MIGApedos actually believeLmao
>>539514794>well you see goy, actually I studied the talmud, if a goy like you hasn't read the talmud then I guess that makes you subhuman doesn't it?false
>>539514806you'll have to zoom out if you want to see it
>>539514794>math is intuitive and requires human-readable space timebanach tarski blocks your path
>>539514680I was just trying to make a joke.Anyway, I do know about how useful linear algebra is for many things.The Dynamics course I took in university was basically just linear algebra + a bit of differential equations.
>>539514794Holy pseudery.
>>539514660>dat scription be fittin everytang in da mufuggin WURLD>ain't no one be makins anytang outta nuffin, ya feel?>All fresh tangs be remixins of sheit that already be round in fresh (aka TIGHT) ways, for real That better for you homeboy?
>>539514686ZF doesn’t disprove the point. Its axioms are chosen, but the distinction between (x in y) and (x not in y), identity and non-identity, consistency and contradiction, is not arbitrary. Any formal system already requires distinguishable states and relations; the same primitive “something/not-something” structure. Humans invent notation and axiom systems. We don't invent distinction, quantity, relation, or consequence. ZF is an abstract construction built from those intrinsic structures, not evidence that mathematics is merely arbitrary language. niggerbrain>>539514839>reee you must be jewishyou wish slant eyes. Math is for White men, not jews or rice fuckers like you.>>539514962Nice attempt at a strawman. Nobody said math must be intuitive or "human-readable." Banach Tarski concerns an ideal mathematical continuum, using nonmeasurable sets whose existence depends on choice; not physical chunks of matter. It therefore proves that formal consequences can exceed human intuition, not that mathematics is unrelated to reality. In fact, it still presupposes space, identity, distinction, sets, relations, and transformations; the exact structural essence being discussed.Banach Tarski blocks naive physical literalism. It does not block mathematical realism.>>539515018cope shitskin.
>>539514587You're wrong on levels you clearly don't have the intelligence to understand. Math is so axiomatic is laughable.
>>539515092>abacus diddlers are totally white men, your a gook
Anyone who replies after this their mother dies tonight in her sleep.
>>539515151>may your mum rest easy, goyimthe concessions employim
>>539515141>>539515146>no argumentslol lmao sub 100 iq browns seething
>>539515184>admission
>>539515092the axioms can be chosen arbitrarily, then you'd have a system thats not useful in reality but still definitely a math. Which undercuts everything you've been saying.
>>539513384>You can describe it with natural language as well>"kobe!">misseslol retard
>>539513906Basically. The Jacobian one was a bit more than that, it required finding a particular polynomial counter example, people were employing all sorts of heuristics to try and brute force it, which is what AI is for in the first place.
>>539515228nigger, You can choose arbitrary axioms, but you cannot arbitrarily remove identity, distinction, relation, implication, consistency, or the difference between an axiom and a non-axiom. Those are already the mathematical structure of "something versus not-something." An invented game can have useless rules, but the existence of invented games does not make rules, difference, sequence, or consequence unreal. Arbitrary mathematics is a constructed arrangement of intrinsic structure, not evidence that the structure itself is arbitrary.>taking this much flakkek, over target.
>>539515252bingo
>>539513827this idea that math is jewish is actually the perfect example of niggers and other low iq subhumans ruining antisemitism lolimagine actually believing that math is a jewish construct and not understanding that you're basically sucking kikes off with this belief. it's like believing jews are some kind of gods. they would actually be so overjoyed to hear you say this kind of shitmaybe if you jap fucks understood math a bit better you wouldn't have a financial apocalypse every other week you dumb zipperhead.
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>>539514492>such a fucking loser in his own country he had to run to japan to teach english>so socially retarded he is boasting about itLOLOLOLOWARI DA
>>539515354>still can't conjure an argument to disprove the something vs not something framinglol lmao
>>539509056The conjectures the "AI solved" were already solved by humans in the 1960s-1990s, but they were buried deep within obscure research papers. The AI just dusted them off.
>>539515325>>539515425>I don't understand greentext, here's my blog post on what I think though (I will forever be a tourist on 4chan.org and nothing you post will change that)
>>539513705This is kike (very obvious)
>>539509056>>539509121>let 2=2.5>2+2=5voila
>>539515451there are many self consistent systems that leave out/remove the concepts you listed. I mean...iirc prop logic, which is a 100s level intro class has no law of identity, is useful in certain domains, has a long history of real applications. Why are you defending the indefensible so hard? It doesn't matter if math is fundamentally intrinsic to reality. That doesn't get you anything. The thing works, it works well. I don't care if my engine has a carb or is fuel injected, I just wanna vroom vroom
>>539509056>>539509073Another autistic pursuit that AI "solved" (ruined).
>>539515738generalized autistic intelligence is a threat to many people's way of life lmao
>>539515705Prop logic may lack an object level = symbol, but it does not escape identity or distinction. It still distinguishes (P) from (Q), formulas from non formulas, premises from conclusions, true from false, and derivable from non derivable. Its consequence relation is reflexive: from (P), you may derive (P). You can omit a concept from the language; you cannot omit the something/not-something distinction needed to identify the language, its rules, and its results. Even calling a system "self-consistent" distinguishes contradiction from non-contradiction.>Why are you defending the indefensible so hard?It's not indefensible. If it were, you'd be able to conjure a refutation on the something/not something framing.>It doesn't matter if math is fundamentally intrinsic to reality. It does not matter much to someone who only wants to calculate a trajectory or build an engine. The equations work either way. But "I only care that it works" is a refusal to discuss the question, not an answer to it. A mechanic can ignore whether combustion is fundamental or emergent while repairing a car; that does not make the underlying question meaningless.So the practical payoff may be small, but the philosophical payoff is enormous because the language is invented, but the possibility of structure is intrinsic. That's a big deal in both mathematics and philosophy. I accept your concession. :)
>>539516019Your whole argument hinges on redefining what math is.Math is the system we use to describe quantities, operators, and their relationship to each other. That's it.Math doesn't happen just because two apples came in proximity to each other.Your "framing" is invalid as an argument because it's tantamount to shifting the goalposts.
>>539516019>So the practical payoff may be small, but the philosophical payoff is enormous so this is some roundabout argument for God you're making? or what?>self consistentTrivalism is self consistent and does not distinguish contradiction from non-contradiction. It also does distinguish them of course. Philosophy is mostly wordplay circle jerking.
>>539512976
KIKETHR3ADDIE!
>>539516478You can take ratios of things. That doesn't make the point you think it does.
