The 30-year US Treasury yield just surged to 5.18%, its highest level in 19 years. The last time it was this high was 2007, right before the financial crisis. Back then, the national debt was $8.4 trillion. Today its $39.4 trillion. Same interest rate. Almost 5 times the debt.Interest alone now costs over $1 trillion a year, more than the USrael spends on defence xD
>>539520340Rookie numbers, lets get 10% interest rates, I want $4T annual interest payments
>>539520340tell me when 6mo goes to 5%kthnx
Israel -> GWOT -> sovereign debt crisis
I'm sure there will never be a big crash again. They implemented too many measurements against it. Only slow decline now.
>>539520340So what, they will just print 39 trillions bucks and pay their debts ez pez
>>539520340Based. It's going to be a triple whammy of energy crisis, debt and AI bubble. Prepare for great depression 2.0
>>539520585Oh yeah! How about 30%
>>539520340time to abolish the bankers and the universities
>>539520585Kek, Russia is pushing 17% floating bonds (floating above inflation) desperate for money, if the US falls that low we are all fucked.
>>539523416Russias debt is 18% GDP, not 124% GDP like in case of the USrael
>>539523766That's frankly completely irrelevant. Russia could sit at 0% and still be desperate for money if no one's willing to lend it.
>>53952034030 year doesn’t matter the 10 year does
>>539523766You might own the local loan shark a 100 bucks, but that doesn't mean they won't break your legs for it.
It's in Iran's interest to keep this war going as long as possible as it's doing immeasurable harm to the US economy.
>>539524032Russia pivots oil/gas exports to China/India via rupees/yuan, boosts parallel imports and domestic manufacturing, uses National Wealth Fund and high rates to stabilize ruble/finance deficits. Trade with BRICS/Asia sustains revenues despite full isolation from Western capital. Russia proves for last 4 years that its economy can normally function despite being _fully_ cut off of SWIFT and Western printed monopoly-money, be under +23,000 sanctions (all sanction options were pretty much exhausted) and successfuly grind/depopulate a huge country like Ukraine (pop reduced from 41 mln in 2022 to 22 mln in 2026), supplied with unprecedented material/financial support (up to $1T in sum), while causing huge ecobomic slowdown in Western Europe and depleting NATO stockpiles. It is not 90s/00s anymore, if such isolation and war happened 20 years ago, Russia would collapse.
>>539524242ok pidor.
>>539524032How are you this stupid? Russia is an autarky, other nations aren't.
>>539524242The current situation must be quite painful for them though. Ukraine (I.e. natofags) are making things as difficult as possible economically with all the drone attacks and so on.
>>539524426If Russians assumed that situation is serious, they would retaliate against NATO. If they retaliate only against Ukraine, it means that situation aint that bad. These Ukrainian drone strikes vs unprotected civilian infrastructure is a niusance but not smth that can break economy or social order.
>>539524242This. Which means they can and will endure whatever escalating fuckery the (((nafo))) troons have planned for them. Covid proved that everyone in the west is always 9 meals away from consuming themselves and their host countries. If we have to lock down for ANYTHING, shit is going to get interesting, and fast. Que China/Russia/India doing the fucking funniest thing and releasing a bioweapon (that isn't just exporting millions of more poos) on the west this winter.
>>539525637The West already released a bioweapon on itself in form of COVID/HPV "vaccines" that were deliberately designed to cause long term population collapse. Western elites have a vital interest in culling resource-heavy participants of the scheme that is no longer sustainable (monopoly-money exchange to products from abroad) amid AI implementation and to avoid full systemic collapse. Russia and especially China has no interest in culling consumers of their products.
>>539524242>>539524385Ok, where is the argument? You neither refuted nor affirmed my point.
>>539525813>Russia and especially China has no interest in culling consumers of their products.But both know that America can and will destroy both of them to change the world's course from abandoning the petrodollar and killing the US.So I don't think either of them are too worried about the west as consumers anymore.After the NORD pipelines, definitely not Russia. And with how much raw material and oil and food and gold China has stockpiled over the last decade, I'm pretty sure they are looking and waiting for a weak moment to make their move. And holy Fuck does the US and nato look weak, in a wounded bull kind of way.
Poland's wealth and resources will be cannibalized to help pay that off
Trump ALONE has added more to the national debt than the totality of debt as of 2007
Just 2 more weeks!
>>539520340Who fucking cares unless your warren buffet nobody gives a fuck
>>539520340and in 2001 US had 12% rates u vodkanigga
>>539528657No, US 10-year Treasury yield never hit 12% in 202. It peaked 1.7%. High double-digits last occurred in the early 1980s amid Volcker-era inflation fighting.Today vs 2000s is incomparable tho. US debt $39T+ (125%+ GDP projected) vs ~$6T then. At 12% yields, annual interest would exceed $5T - crowding out all discretionary spending, spiking deficits and risking default spiral/deep recession. In the 2000s, low debt made even 5% yields harmless. High debt now amplifies sensitivity dramatically.
>>539520340>right before the financial crisisDon't worry, they'll be too big to fail and get bailed out again.
>>539520340It's not just the US, Trump has fucked up so badly that bond yields are surging globally.
>>539520340> US Treasury yield just surged to 5.18%We are going into a global depression aren’t we
>>539529184Worst case scenario is a 36% cut in global GDP will make the Great Depression look like a cakewalk, with 6 times as many people, with no industrial base in the west, while not being mainly self sufficient like in the 30’s. Shits gonna be retardely bad
>>539520340In 2031 a regular plain loaf of bread at the grocery store will cost $15.00Plan accordingly
>>539529703It's only just begun so there would still be time with normal sane people in the right positions, it's the exact opposite though, we have some of the greatest fuckheads to ever draw breath in positions of power. Worst of all is that they went all in on AI, not just the borrowings on the books, ity turns out the big tech giants, the backbone of the US economy are in the hole almost 2 trillion on borrowings for shell companies they created to raise funds for their capex, off their books.
>>539529562exciting, isnt it?
>>539520340Nothing. Ever. Happens.
>>539529925a loaf of bread already costs $12.99>inB4 ultra process goyslopthat is not bread, that is spongy plastic
>>539530380rake yourselfcovid certainly happened
>>539530015Yep it’s the perfect storm get good getready>>539530101Unironically for europe it will be a good thing if the europeans survive that is.
>>539530622You are not wrong, what you describe is "shrinkflation" or "qualityflation" and it has effected the food supply also which is a real health risk because they are substituting real food ingredients with man made synthetic ingredients.
>>539524032>That's frankly completely irrelevant.the sheer levels of cope
>>539524555>If Russians assumed that situation is serious, they would retaliate against NATO. If they retaliate only against Ukraine, it means that situation aint that baddigits recognizing a rare based polack
>>539520340Yield curve control on deck, when that happens gold is going to $10k within months and that's just the appetizer.
>>539520732Famous Last Words
>>539520732probably not but because all the stocks are owned by few people. If they dont sell its hard for stocks to go down. But this means the stock market is effectively gone as an investment vehicle for most people.
>>539536128You may have a point>she's unsinkable!>proceeds to sink on maiden voyageHowever we've had multiple crashes and bringing stocks and crypto back up doesn't take naval expeditions to recover.They def have found a way to assert even more control. Even crypto moves less since it's been incorporated so heavily into bank portfolios n shit. But if they manage to make line go up I'm cool with it.
>>539520340I hold GME. It killed archegos, melvin capital, and credit fucking suisse. It’s the reason the calculation for short interest was changed and why the cftc has hidden swaps data since 2021. 8 quarters of positive eps in a row and it has traded flat the entire time? Yeah…
Trump should just mint some $1 trillion dollar coins and pay it off.
>>539520740>So what, they will just print 39 trillions bucks and pay their debts ez pezMoney is printed by banks issuing loans/debt in this Judeo-Calvinist financial systemIf they print 39 trillion that means the banks loaned out another 39 trillion dollars. The US would be 80 trillion in debt with 8% interest.
>>539537106What's your percent change from purchase (negative)? I don't care if you DRS, they're still bags lmaoooooooo
>>539520340>5% tax free>for 30 fucking yearswewbuyits even crazier of a buy if you live in turdworld currency land
>>539524209It's in Israel's interest first and foremost. They control Trump and Congress. The planet is at the mercy of Netanyahu.
>>539536277It's basically insider trading now. Back in the days when normal people had stocks and were actively trading them (not just index funds) there were panic sales Also now they just shut down trading when there are "unusual activities"
>>539537386That is legal but defeats the purpose which is intentional crash, intentional emergency, intentional replacement currency with strings attached. Surveillance currency.
>>539520732You have no idea how bad the big tech bubble burst will be.EVERYTHING is fraud now. They are faking more users because of "infinite growth"; they are faking investments by moving money from one tech company to another; they are faking benchmarks to create the idea that soon AI will have a real use.
>>539538285Just replace the "tech bubble" with the current thingI heard this so many times since 2008 and they all were wrong>but this time for sureWe will see about that.
>>539520340It’s almost like it will never be paid back.
>>539537695Somewhere around +50% give or take 10%
When democrats take the reins here soon it’ ll be hilarious seeing them try to fund their government maximalist programs without sending inflation to the moon. > great blue wave > dem president in 2028> full control of congress/senate> have to massively cut social security on the boomers, defund epa, cdc, nih, etc…or destroy the currency and make bread lines happenTrannies lost
>>539538902Surely you can prove that?
As long as the eurodollar market holds we will be fine.
>>539520340> 30-year yieldNOTHING. EVER. HAPPENS.That's fuck all in the grand scheme. When 2-year & 6-mo yields hit that, this thread upgrades from Jeetslop sidethread to something to talk about.
>>539539929>and make bread lines happenSNAP got rid of bread lines otherwise you'd have seen 'em already
True if big
>>539520732For them? No.For you?...
>>539540753NOTHING EVER HAPPENDS>Why can't I get a job, home, wife, etc gosh I'm so confusion
>>539520340>The 30-year US Treasury yield just surged to 5.18%, its highest level in 19 years. The last time it was this high was 2007, right before the financial crisis. Back then, the national debt was $8.4 trillion. Today its $39.4 trillion. Same interest rate. Almost 5 times the debt.>Interest alone now costs over $1 trillion a year, more than the USrael spends on defence xD
>>539540360I could, but why bother? Your approval/disapproval and opinion mean nothing to me, and posting my buys from brokers and drs could potentially dox me. No need for me to take such a risk
>>539520340Most posters think that number increasing is a good thing lol Lmao even
>>539520340Doesn’t matter. We should be issuing more 30 year and 20 year Bonds, but countries are wised up to our insolvency so they ask for 1-5 year treasuries instead
GOOD. ACCELERATE.>Gets comfortable in cardboard box and pours self a bowl of human kibble, careful not to crunch top loud so the police don't confiscate his Internet priveleges
>>539545287"We"Posts meme flag Likes how peepee tastesMany such cases
>no more noahide wars
>>539520340OMFG Historically normal interest rates are coming! Think of the asset holders and coin clippers!!!
>>539520340Fuckin just change the minus to a plus, boom, fixed
>>539544781>that spread
>>539545000Lmao you are such a liar, which is why your first response didn't come with proof. No more responses required, your cope is acceptable as concession, and your bags are the door prize.
>>539520732Pretty much this. Even if a crash were to happen, it would take place over months, not days.
