4 years later…can we all admit Russia fucked up massively?
>>539535302but russian propaganda tells me everything is going according to plan
>>539535302jeet thread
>>539535302A threadly reminder:The main "russian" jewish propagandist, (((Vladimir Solovyov))), who’s mother’s maiden name is Shapiro, says that muscovite women, elderly, and disabled need to start signing up to fight in the 3 day SMO, because all of the fighting age males are dead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq_61z5cAmw&t=410s
>>539535430Shut uphttps://www.rt.com/india/632197-more-indian-workers-expected-in/amp/
>>539535558shut the fuck up shitjeet and go away. no one wants you here
>>539535302how about no?do you understand that shitting up 4chan with NAFO cope won't save Ukraine?
>can we all admit Russia fucked up ma- *bonk*
>>539535690Indians shill FOR Russia, you retard. Russia is bringing in thousands of jeets for cheap labor
>>539535302bot thread
>>539535302Russia didn't coup Ukraine and building cia bunkers there before forcing a military confrontation.
>>539535814>street is full so he goes on pol to spew his shitfuck off shitjeet
>>539535814>Did you know that Russia is losing the war in Ukraine because Russia is importing x100 LESS jeets than EU is important right now?nigger what
Ukraine is collapsing
>>539536082I have never read a post that says ukraine is thriving
>>539535867cookie coup, the most deadly kind...and how can it be a coup if its not already a russian puppet? is that what you mean, a russian puppet was deposed and so thus coup? lol
>>539535867a military confrontation that russia still can't win
>>539536237>a military confrontation that russia still can't wincan you remind us kindly who's controlling whose territory
>>539536375can you remind me of the official SMO goals
>>539535302Russians are worse than niggers.The best of them migrated when the soviet union fell and they all still sucked.Such a weak people lettting Putin destroy them.
>>539535495this kike also said to Russians they don't need cars or gas lol
>>539536428Notice how fast you dodged the question, shillCry and weep >>539535693
>>539535302>4 years later…can we all admit Russia fucked up massively?you sound like a woke libtard. russia has been winning this war for 5 years already, and they're gonna keep winning for the next 5 years as well
>>539535784And you lost to piggers?Fucking pathetic.Kill all rusniggers and their shills.
>>539536612How many Russians died to take that territory?
>>539536070doubt
>>539536749idk but I'm glad your kind of being cleaned upwhy are you still here shitjeet. i thought i told you to fuck off
>>539536428>Survive Western Aggression [X]>Rescue Donbas citizens [X]>Water to Sevastopol [X]>Destroy Biolabs [X]>Demilitarize Ukraine [...]>No Ukraine in NATO [X]>Denazify Ukraine [X]>Annex Donbas Republics [~2/4]This isn't an exhaustive list, but Russia hasn't failed any of its objectives. It's either completed or is pursuing all objectives and is on track to win.>>539536237>russia still can't winThey win by not getting genocided or divvied up into rump states. They win the Donbas Conflict when they take the Donbas territories. They win against Ukraine when their peace terms are enforced: Zelenski out, free elections, independent DMZ Ukraine.They defeat NATO when NATO strikes against Russia have stopped.
>>539536749>How many Russians died to take that territory?>to take that territoryIf you dont' know what the war's about, you're not in a position to be snarky.
>>539536749Why did Putin fire Syrsky?
>>539536833>kind of being cleaned upAre you sure you’re not Indian?
>>539535867>Russia didn't coup UkraineThey caused the coup
>>539536882Low IQ donkey, I was responding to >>539536375
>>539536845This is retarded. Finland joined NATO because Russia invaded Ukraine. Finland is much closer to both Moscow and Saint Petersburg than Ukraine
>>539536144of course it isn't thriving, it is being invaded and bombed daily by russia for the last 4.5 years. but it is surviving, and fighting back.
>>539537115finland also changed its laws to allow NATO nukes to be hosted there lmao
>>539536719you lost to paki rapist GAWDS raping the fuck out of 250k bri'ish girlies
>>539536845to be honest i think it would be better of if russia were separate countries. it is just too big, and covers areas of different people. i'm not keen on these large open border unions of different ethnic groups.
>>539535302Russa was put into a bad position. Ukraine is historically Russian, but EU + nato was going to absorb them. Russia's wanting to fight is is natural I think, even if maybe not justified.
>>539536949range ban all curry munchers
>>539537115And how do you suppose that will end for Finland? Do they have robust anti-missile and anti-drone defenses? Are they ready to join the conflict in which utilities are already considered valid targets? Do you assume Russia will just let the nukes be there?
>>539537288>to be honest i think it would be better of if russia were separate countriesYou don't get to decide that, Moshe.
>>539537352yes there is fuck all russia can do about it. especially now everyone has seen what a paper tiger they are.
>>539535302Zigger expectations went as the following:1) We will conquer Novorossiya and call it a day, this will take a few years but we must reclaim our rightful Russian land2) Okay maybe not Novorossiya but we will conquer all of Eastern Ukraine to save Ethnic Russians3) JUST LET US GET DONETSK AND LUGANSK PLEASE THAT'S ALL WE ASK
>>539537414well it could end up happening the way putin is running the place into the ground.
>>539537454all right we didn't want donetsk and lugansk or crimea anyway, but we definitely want kursk. that is what it was all about in the first place.
>>539536144>County being invaded by a larger nation and against odds>Well they sure are not thrivingNo shit Sherlock.
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>>539537430>>539537469unquantifiable delusions and buzzwords. Russia is winning militarily on the battlefield and has a stronger demographic, fiscal, and economic situation than Europe. And this is a generous comparison since "Eruope" doesn't exist in any meaningful state and is bickering failing nations arguing over whether or not they should steal deposits to finance feral niggers for an extra year.
>>539535997>>539535690Who is bro trying to gaslight
>>539537647>stronger demographic, fiscal, and economic situation than EuropeDid you mean to say "Ukraine"? Because that is blatantly false by many measurable metrics.
>>539537454>1) We will conquer NovorossiyaThis didn't appear anywhere in Putin's speech in March 2022 and wasn't in the peace agreement Russia offered during the encirclement of Kiev. You don't know the basics.>JUST LET US GET DONETSK AND LUGANSK PLEASE THAT'S ALL WE ASKRussia's current position is they're no longer interested in a negotiated settlement and will take it by force.>>539537541>all right we didn't want donetsk and lugansk or crimea anywayRussia is in posession of Crimea. Russian territorial claims have gradually expanded over the course of the war, not shrunk. Ukropers online are the only people who have used the "We didn't need that anyways" cope.
>>539537253But Russia has a bigger Muslim population
>>539537780He may not have said it outright but that's what every zigger expected back when putin started the land grab (aka special military operation). Too bad they're inept and couldn't deliver on their expectations
>>539535302>4 years later…can we all admit Russia fucked up massively?Meanwhile, in reality:>>539459265
All parties involved fucked up massively, while china just sits there and watches all it's potential enemies exaust themselves.
>>539538123>linking his own archived postbased retard
>>53953530213 years of winning.
>>539537352Probably like the last Finland Russia war
>>539537156I mean even before the war their situation was plenty of shitty
>>539535302They are clearly not winning.Not winning fast enough.OP's disappointment is justified.But... save your tears for Iran, pls.
>>539537752Europe's population is larger if you count feral nigger machete gangs as an asset. Which you shouldn't. Hence the term demographics, not raw population. In the event that Europe forms a superstate and sends European men off to fight Russia, those feral niggers will be left unchecked domestically. Russia doesn't have this problem. Also, the combined armed forces of Europe still aren't as large as Russia's current army. Russia outproduces the combined MIC of NATO (including America) in all munitions categories, and does so with only 7% of their GDP. Their economy is stronger than a hypothetical united Europe. Fiscally, you can point to data which shows that Europe has more money than Russia. But Europe is considering stealing Russian deposits, and Russia isn't considering stealing European deposits. Russia has a sane debt-GDP ratio. Europe doesn't. Russia has yuan holdings. Europe has a bunch of tokens that aren't going to do it much good in the coming conflict.But most importantly, Europe doesn't exist. There are separate nations in the Geographic region called Europe. Divided they fall. No question.
>>539538203why shouldnt i link my own thread, even if its archived?all the content is there and ukrannys refuse to engage with the information i provided.its an absolute poopthrowing contest to even slightly be in favour of the retarded ukranny shit.and thats about it, i got my point across and you wont even so much as bother to refute anything ive provided.
>>539536845>>Survive Western Aggression ongoing with no good outlook>>Rescue Donbas citizensthey were the first to be sent to the front>>Water to Sevastopol does it have water idk>>Destroy Biolabsnever existed>>Demilitarize Ukrainelol>>No Ukraine in NATOnot yet>>Denazify Ukrainejewish tranny white supremacist immigrant nazi antifascists never existed>>Annex Donbas Republicsrussians die every day for 5 years straight and you couldn't take those either>They win by not getting genocided or divvied up into rump states.the fall of the soviet union is child's play in comparison what will happen to the russian pidoration
>>539535302took you 4years? wtf man
>>539537920>He may not have said it outright but>Okay, so I made that up, but I can read the minds of Russians, soYou're just a wrong faggot.>started the land grabRussia offered a peace agreement which had no land grabbing and an independent Ukraine. Ukraine signed it. Russia immediately honored this agreement by withdrawing from Kiev. Combat did not start again until the UK's Prime minister flew into Kiev and convinced them to tear up the agreement.>couldn't deliver on their expectationsYou're speaking in the past tense about an ongoing war in which Russia is occupying and demilitarizing Ukraine.
>>539535302Yeah showing they can have a war of endurance against NATO training and equipment and strategy while having only about 1/10 to 1/5 of the soldiers on the ground is a sure sign of failure.
>>539538334>Europe's population is largerEuropes population has been bigger than Russias since the population census was invented. Total hogwash.>Their economy is stronger than a hypothetical united Europe. >Fiscally, you can point to data which shows that Europe has more money than RussiaThank you for saving me the work. >But most importantly, Europe doesn't exist.>Divided they fall.I am also a big fan of the EU.
>>539538442>Russia offered a peace agreement which had no land grabbingRussias demands always included Donbass and Luhansk. Your information is incorrect.
>>5395384073 post faggot using 3 year old nafo troon propaganda
>>539537288this going to happen only a matter of time
>>539535867Russia is a massive shithole. Nobody likes Russia. Nobody wants anything to do with Russia. It's like some creepy old homeless pedo.
>>539538407You will also tell us that not a single NATO soldier died in this proxy war yet.They died in tragic training accidents outside of Ukraine or in their sleep when on vacation.
>>539538689Here is more biolab locations for your Info Folder.
>>539538241>Probably like the last Finland Russia war>Russia will probably fight how the Soviet Union fought 60 years ago, not how Russia is currently fightingYou're pretty stupid then.>>539538407>with no good outlookRussia's borders are moving west, American offensive and defensive capabilities are largely depleted while Russia's munitions stockpiles are still growing.>they were the first to be sent to the frontRussia's combatants are volunteer only. The Donbas Republics fought for 10 years to gain their independence, and some of them volunteered into the Russian military when Russia joined their defensive conflict. The Donbas citizens would have been genocided if Russia didn't join. Instead, they live.>does it have water idkUkraine was preventing the flow of the Dniepr in order to deny freshwater to the farms in Sevastopol. This is a war crime that falls under ICC jurisdiction, but the ICC never prosecutes things that the US wants done. Problem solved.>never existedYou can look at their coordinates and receipts in /chug/, or listen to America's Director of National Intelligence detail the American weapons programs run out of biolabs in Ukraine. You have to have your head up your ass to even think anyone would fall for this lie anymore.>Nazis in Ukraine didn't existAzov batallion literally flew swazis before Russia killed them all in Mariupol and the unit was remade with new people.>Couldn't take the Donbas RepublicsAbout half-way completed.
>>539538673I still like them, they somehow got a clue during the worst part of the survelliance takeover of the stateSadly it all diluted and no one else tried to stop the CIA
>>539538603Minsk 2 destined them to become autonomous republics within Ukraine statehood.We know from candid Merkel and Hollande that the West never wanted peace and abused this treaty for war preparations.
>>539538689>outside of Ukraine or in their sleep when on vacation.or a heart attack when they get back.
>>539538541>Europes population has been bigger than RussiasFeral nigger machete gangs are not an asset. They're a problem.>I am also a big fan of the EUThe EU doesn't exist in any meaningful sense related to this conflict. You ignored my points because you dont' have an answer to them. Russia has better finances. That's why Europe is trying to steal Russian deposits. Because it needs Russian money.>>539538603>Russias demands always included Donbass and Luhansk.Russia did not annex them in that proposal. The deal called for Ukraine to recognize their independence. Which is fair since Ukraine wanted to genocide them, and they had their own uniformed militaries at that point.
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>>539536719For me? The pressure cooker.
>>539538942Merkel was a stasi agent retard Holland never said that
>>539538673>Nobody likes Russia. Nobody wants anything to do with Russia.Except for most of humanity in BRICS+. But aside from most of humanity and most human activity, they're isolated.
>>539535302>Jews start a war>Russians kill Ukrainians and call them NazisAll of Eastern Europe is retarded. Absolutely buck broken by communism.
>>539538942>Minsk 2 destinedthat russia stopped sending military units to Ukraine to support the so called "rebels". Here is Putin directly admitting he ignored this.
>>539538986>Feral nigger machete gangs are not an asset.The population has been bigger than Russias before any migration from North Africa or the Middle east happened, anon. I am not sure how even the most delusional retard can not understand a simple number comparison.>>539538996Did you add my locations to your folder?
>>539539014>BRICS+Nobody in the brics block like each other. They're just in it for easy commercial exchanges, not to be a big united happy family.
i had forgotten about the biolabs excuse because nobody from russia or miggerland uses it anymore, for years now… while russia casually threatens to nuke. how’s that for a bioweapon.
>>539538997I bought a used one of these a few years ago for $12 at a thrift shop, I've used it dozens of times since then. I like it but I think I'd like my family member back more.
>>539539034>Here is Putin directly admitting he ignored this.You've got clips conflating Putin talking about Crimea and Donbas and in different contexts. What's not in this clip is Putin saying "I violated Minsk 2." An agreement isn't a unilateral oath. You're not going to find evidence that Russia violated its terms before they were the last party remaining.
>>539537414Europe will get to decide what happens to rusniggia after the rusnigs inevitably collapse.
>>539535302you can't fuck up what you're doing if you have no idea what you're doing.
>>539535302You're just not seeing the full picture anon. Winning, losing... irrelevant concepts when it comes to 4D chess.
>>539539227>What's not in this clip is Putin saying "I violated Minsk 2.kekRight hes only contradicting himself and the very video evidence of himself saying it.
>>539539089>I am not sure how even the most delusional retard can not understand a simple number comparison.>Hence the term demographics, not raw population.Russia can field a larger military than Europe combined because it has better demographics. Raw population numbers do not reflect this. Feral machete gang niggers are a visceral example of how raw population is not necessarily an asset, but elderly and those opposed to the conflict are another good example. The fact is that Russia has more miltiary personnel and will still have more military personnel when it's time to field a military against Europe.
>>539535302Putin fucked up by being too weak and cowardly, by not being willing to escalate hard and fast the second the Kiev regime starting putting some resistance, and by not allocating a larger invasion force.However, military intervention was an absolute necessity. Russia couldn't allow a revanchist, banderite regime rooted in incredibly destructive, anti-Russian ultranationalism from the UPA and OUN era, bankrolled and cultivated by the US since the Cold War, to exist next door. The military expansion the Kiev regime accelerated and talking about joining NATO and getting nuclear weapons was absolutely unacceptable. Ukrainian ultra-nationalism is a cancer that must be destroyed at any cost, even if killing the patient.The war must continue until Ukraine is pacified or irreversibly neutralized, there was never, at any point, any sound reason to step back.
>>539539365>inevitably collapseDescribe the mechanism that you think will cause this. And the timeframe. And why will this come true when all prior predictions were wrong?
>>539539414>>Hence the term demographics,Russia just announced another couple of hundred thousand Indian immigrants. Here is a visualization of Russias demographic situation.absolute hogwash not worth responding to further
>3 day operation>actually its 3 week operation>actually its 3 years operation>year 4 of 3 day operationa paper tiger
>>539539034That happened in Crimea in February 2014.The Minsk 2 agreement was signed a year later in February 2015 pertaining to Luhansk and Donetsk only. Not Crimea.He could not have ignored this agreement in 2014 when it didn't exist yet.
>>539539414>Russia can field a larger military than Europe combinedAnd they still always end up losing just like the US. Funny how the second human wave attacks became unviable in warfare both Russia and the US suddenly started losing every single war
>>539539486This NAFO troon is working overtime on multiple threads what a faggot. Shame you and your sub human kind dont join the reddit legion and die.
>>539539445>rusnigs should've chimped out more, its not that they physically are incapable of escalating beyond ook ook nooks.Why are you subhumans all like this kekYou have no more escalation to go. You are at the maximum escalation already beyond launching nuclear missiles which your chink masters have told you not too.
>>539539639So you admit you are monitoring several threads?>every accusation a confession
>>539539639>the whites supporting white nations are subhumans>not the uniters of the turd world!Why are you browns like this?
>>539536917>>539535693>>539535693The median age of a Russian in the Baltic States is over 50 years old and the Russian population globally has declined by 40 million since 1989. You are a legacy population spending your time spamming on 4chan rather than attempting to continue your waning Pidor race, so keep doing what you're doing!
>>539539414Russia is losing a war they started against the poorest country in Europe. You are delusional. Russia is weak and insignificant.
>>539539773Ironically its one of the reasons monke launched his war of niggerdom.Also kill all rusniggers and their subhuman shills.
>>539539672You're clearly incapable of understanding what you're reading. I'm not talking about escalation now, I'm talking of escalation on day 1, where Ukraine did not have the level of support it does now. Putin should have escalated in a manner of hours, not waiting weeks and months to respond to western escalations. During the start of the war, Ukraine did not have the means and western support to sustain itself it has now.
>>539539604>Russia and the US suddenly started losing every single warExcept that Russia is winning, isn't using human wave attacks, and is taking significantly less casualties and fatalities than Ukraine is.
>>539539461>rusniggia collapses every 50-100 years>rusnig doesnt believe history repeats nor rhymeskek, 3 day SMO status?
>>539539414>>539539414>Russia can field a larger military than Europe combinedNo it can't. That is just a stupid claim.
Its just a bunch of nafo troons talking to each other in this tread
>>539539898>is taking significantly less casualties and fatalities than Ukraine is.Using the most reliable metric we have for this that is comparing identified casualties (ualosses, mediazona etc) shows the ratio to be 2-3 Russian soldiers killed for every Ukrainian.Which aligns with Russia mostly being on the offensive which means sending their soldiers into the killzone of enemy drones and thus inevitably suffering higher losses.
>>539540080Dawww, does that make the zigger shill mad? You gonna cwy widdle baby?
>>539535302>sets timer for 2030 - 4 years against iran
>>539535495I hate that kike, but this is a gross misrepresentation of what was said. Moreover, Ukraine and all western governments already have the same policy. Look at all the dead female spic zogbots from the Iran War.
>>539539919That's not how statehood works, at all.While states dissolving, splitting or being absorbed used to be relatively common in the past, it has become extremely rare since WWII. The collapse of the USSR was an extreme historical anomaly that we will likely never see again in our lifetimes.There's simply no plausible mechanism, means or motivation for the Russian Federation to disintegrate. Your inability to suggest anything and your seething responses are evidence of this.
>>539539898>Russia is winningIt clearly isn't. It's literally getting worse for Russia with every passing day. Few years ago Ukraine could barely strike close to it's own borders, now half of Russia is getting bombed, farther regions of Siberia are probably the only more-less safe places Russia has left.>isn't using human wave attacksBut it is. Yes they have their meat waves spread thing but what they are doing is sending badly equipped men either on foot or on scooters or similar to rush at enemy positions hoping that few of them survive and dig in.We have endless footage of this.
>>539540138>Ukraine identifies their losses less often than Russia, therefore Russia has more casualties>Please ignore the two million new military graves Ukraine dug and filled and the 1 million more graves dug beyond that and the need for bussification and the leaks listing 2.4 million dead>Please also disregard that Russia is somehow able to field a volunteer-only military>Which aligns with Russia mostly being on the offensiveIn two of the major battles of this conflict, Russia was attacking a prepared Ukrainian position. In both of those cases, Russia utilized penal batallions and Chechen mercenaries. Ukraine, meanwhile, has had five failed offensives in which conscripts were force marched into Russian minefields. Bakhmut was another great example. Russia was on the offensive in the beginning, but established fire supremacy and then convinced everyone that they were out of ammo. Ukraine then tried to assault the prepared Russian positions in Bakhmut. Redefining Russia as the aggressor in a geopolitical sense doesn't magically cause them to take more casualties.
>>539540303Rare for humans.You subhumans did it all over eastern europe during the collapse of the USSR.Did you memoryhole that too silly subhuman?Kill all rusniggers and their shills.
>>539540361>I saw a video of a DRG dying>This is equivalent to the five offensives Ukraine launched in which entire armies were destroyed
>>539535302>Can we all admit Russia fucked up massively?To answer that question, you have to know why Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place.NAFO are too stupid and emotional to answer that question honestly.
>>539540535Ukrainian general population is many times smaller than that of Russia, it's elementary that Ukraine has to mobilize more aggressively to maintain comparable army.Russia has been sending their soldiers to attack Ukrainian fortifications an order of magnitude more often than the opposite.There's a reason you ziggers have to keep milking that one singular counteroffensive that Ukraine attempted and later stopped due to it being too costly.Russia literally executes such "counteroffensives" non-stop for years now and similarly suffers horrible casualties as well. That's also why we have all this endless footage of Russians dying on camera.The rest of your brownoid skizo rambling doesn't even deserve a response.
>>539540767You sound upset. Keep hoping for a future that will never materialize
>>539540138It must be more like 5-1 Russians killed per Ukrainian, Ukrainian KIA is around 100k, Russian KIA is 500k+.
>>539535867>Russia didn't coup UkraineHey maybe they should have instead of four years of trying to beat down a door with their ballsack
>>539535693From Putins perspective maybe he could see the demographics and the falling population. For him the idea may have been now or never, as for the 3 million men, perhaps he views it generationally where deaths happen and then 20 years later no one cares but it got results.Then you have all that money, they could have had massive investment in infrastructure like the UK and USA has in the 70's.>>539537802White muslim countries have far less trouble. I've seen your football ball, don't you try and say who isn't white.>>539539445What would they even do, you control a country with people who will turn on you the second they can.
>>539535302Can we just admit that after WW I and WW II, we should've just stayed out of eurofag affairs and let them just kill each other to their own delight? Europe is nothing but a horde of bickering little chihuahuas that ought to be euthanized.
>>539537156Ukraine is a shithole funded by half a trillion in European aid. If Ukrainians men weren't banned from leaving, there would be no fighting. The kikerainian government even says out loud that they don't want a ceasefire because the moment martial law ends everyone will leave.
>>539540910Russia can't even make its mind on the reasons it invaded either. They keep switching narratives. Real weather vane behaviour.
>>539541186>Russia can't even make its mind on the reasons it invaded either. They keep switching narratives.Nothing has changed, retard. WTF are you even talking about?
>>539540910>why Russia invaded Ukraine in the first placeIt was a retarded gamble, they actually thought they can get away with it toppling the regime and Ukrainians won't resist.It's evident if you look at the parade colors their forces were all wearing riding into their quick 3 day demilitarization and denazification adventure.
>>539535302Don't know man. Rest of Europe seems to suffer much more even tho they aren't fighting a war. Stupid Brits have now get rid of their third PM or so. Germanys Black Rock puppet is extremely disliked. The French mini Napoleon is also not very liked. Everyone seems to have it worse of than the Russians who are more or less stable.
>>539541266Sure, give me the actual reasons, no takebacksies, no "I forgot about that one important reason" later. Then I'll add all the retarded shit russia has said on top of that. If nothing's changed like you say, it shouldn't be an issue.
>>539535302Russia just blew up a ukronato defense expo in chicken Kiev today and you're laughing /pol/, you're laughing>>539531309
>>539541282>It was a retarded gamble, they actually thought they can get away with it toppling the regime and Ukrainians won't resist.oh my fucking god kys. It wasn't a gamble. Russia spent eight years(if not longer) preparing for this war. Moreover, the war would have been much easier had it happened earlier. At the 2022 Beijing Olympics, Putin and Xi Jinping declared a "friendship without limits".In reality, this war was completely calculated. Sure, Russia hoped for a short war, and nearly got it. But Russia was always prepared for a long war.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6YeIM85SJghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS52_-rYr4shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5H9S2pv08https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw10KuzpnEQ
>>539541447>give me the actual reasonsJust look at the objectives of the SMO, retard. They were outlined on day one. Go read what Putin wrote in 2021. Go listen to what Ukraine themselves said. Go listen to anyone except NAFO shills and western liars.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXl7nX2rp8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoZ6wOlKpaEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCr0_E742khttps://x.com/i/status/1892532898382893242
>>539536237Who cares about official goals. You can say one thing for the stupid people to keep in order and mean a completely different thing.
>>539541567And how's Russia preparing for it for 8 years making it less of a gamble?I also agree that Russia could actually have hoped for some had they gone all out in 2014 instead.>But Russia was always prepared for a long war.Russia was prepared for a long stand-off with the west, it didn't really prepare for an actual long war.They fucked up with their initial invasion and could only get their positions to hold after the partial mobilization they rushed through in September 2022. They've been adapting on the go since, same goes for Ukraine.
>>539535302nato wasted a fuckload of money on ukraine, also straight of hormuz is closed; dont you think nato fucked up too?
>>539538776>donbas citizens live>Population of Russian occupied Ukrainian territories 2013: 11 million>Today: 3 million (almost entirely geriatrics too old to leave btw)Yeah looks like Russia really liberated those "ethnic Russians". I wonder why they all left immediately after their "liberation"...
>>539535302They are winning tho.
>>539541805Classic non-answer from a zigger shill the moment he is asked to commit to a narrative. Oh well, I didn't expect much anyway.
>>539541872EU economy lost over €4 trillion due to the war, not including aid packages to Ukraine.Yea Russia’s initial invasion was miscalculated, because no sane person in the planet would calculate that EU will commit suicide to side with Ukraine. But here we are. And in the grand scheme of things, while Ukraine will disappear, EU as an organisation might too.Russians will have to pay with blood to make that happen, but Russia has being doing these payments and happenings for hundreds of years
>>539541872>And how's Russia preparing for it for 8 years making it less of a gamble?It wasn't a gamble. At best you could call it a miscalculation. Which is what all wars are.But then you have to prove that Russia miscalculated. And by miscalculated, you have to prove that Russia will lose, or at least that Russia will be "strategically defeated".>Russia was prepared for a long stand-off with the west, it didn't really prepare for an actual long war.You can repeat this until you're blue in the face but it doesn't make it true.The real question here is, will Russia win? And if Russia wins, what happens to NATO, Europe, and the West?
Putin has a great fear of bioweapons, idk why. Probably something in his childhood gave him this phobia(Reminds me of Hitler's fear of cancer because his mother died of the disease, hence the vegetarianism, anti-smoking campaigns)He apparently believes COVID was a bioweapon and spent 2 years in isolation only talking to people over telephones and TV screens. This cannot have been good for his mental health.
>>539541146White Muslim is an oxymoron + churkas aren’t white and chechens are more violent than any sandnigger
>>539542040Russia's goal was to stop Ukraine being controlled by kikes who were using it to threaten and fight Russia. This has been their stated goal for thirty years.
>>539540138>ratio to be 2-3 Russian soldiers killed for every Ukrainian.Russia can take those casualties though. The one thing it has unlimited is manpower.
>>539542291Russia is the most kiked nation on earth you fucking vpn tranny They are the ones who colonized Palestine
>>539538776>Russia's borders are moving west, American offensive and defensive capabilities are largely depleted while Russia's munitions stockpiles are still growing.2 more weeks to berlin :^)>Russia's combatants are volunteer only.so they choose to die by drone, weird end game>Ukraine was preventing the flow of the Dniepr in order to deny freshwater to the farms in Sevastopolbased, it's their water.>You can look at their coordinates and receipts in /chug/chug is a tranny safe space. besides, the labs allegedly exist in places russia controls. yet, no investigation was launched what was done there, they were immediately memoryholed beyond being an obscure reference that nobody really bought in the first place>Azov batallionthe nazis take orders from a jew, right>About half-way completed.it was half way completed 4 years ago. since then, barely anything changed. did they plan for that too?>>539541815>Who cares about official goalsthat's right goycattle, we never wanted to win. fellow cumrades: queue in line for 1 liter of gasoline and you will be happy about it
>>539542403>The one thing it has unlimited is manpower.but the u.s. does not i am told here by retards, for example, oh no you cannot do a land invasion of iraq asscrackistan or iran...but russia now they have unlimited manpower with their smaller population... i swear people on the internet are even stupider than in real life. unlimited russian manpower is a meme belief based on nothing.
>>539542424>Russians sent their kikes to Palestine to be rid of them.>Russians colonized PalestineThis is like saying because Hitler had the Haavara agreement, Germany colonized Palestine.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_AgreementIn reality, Russia supports all of Pissrael's enemies. The Jews have already declared they will make sure Kikeraine wins. Which was run by Israel anyway.https://youtu.be/7x0GX4OlyRc
>>539542678>In reality, Russia supports all of Pissrael's enemies.Must be why half of israel is filled with russian, that putin worships kikes, that he explicitly stated that he will never help Iran against Israel since Israel is mini russia, and that Israel are one of the very few country in the world to not condemn russia's invasion of ukraine. Go on show me Russia attacking a single israeli plane while they were bombing assad like no tomorrow.
>>539542291Russia's goal was to conquer Ukraine and loot its resources and make them a nigger shithole. It failed. Russia is now collapsing like the weak nigger shithole it has always been.
>>539542592>unlimited russian manpower is a meme belief based on nothing.Russia could put 20 million men into Ukraine if it wantedHowever it needs to keep most of its force in reserve in case a "real" war with NATO or China kicks off.
>>539542403True. But the role of human combatants is becoming less relevant every year.Unless EW somehow manages to get upper hand against fully autonomous killer drones, there won't be much to do other than lay down and die for humans in the battlefield anyway.The war is increasingly becoming more strategic, as opposed to the trench warfare it's been for recent years, as it's just not feasible at all to send the humans into the killzone to capture positions.So what we're seeing and will be seeing more in the future instead is strategic missile and drone strikes on military industries, fuel, logistics etc to take out the capacity to massproduce military drones and robots.And Russia is in a clear disadvantage in such war, unless China steps in more actively, as NATO can produce and deliver high-tech weapons to Ukraine who in turn uses them to attack Russian all stages of production pipelines and logistics but Russia can only attack back whatever is currently located in Ukraine.
>>539535302>4 years laterAnon, its been 10+ years...>he doesn't remember that 2017 was the year of offensengmi, RIP Ladybugs
>>539542291Oh ok. Then what happened to:-denazifying ukraine-protecting the russian populations in eastern ukraine-preventing a genocide in donbas-Reunifying ukraine and russia because they are actually the same people-bioweapon labs threats-fighting the globohomo west with trad russian values-crying about the minsk accordsThere are probably more overlapping narratives that pozzia keeps using.
>>539542825>Must be why half of israel is filled with russianThose are Jews, not Russians. And Russia is aiding Israel's enemies. Period.>>539542888Russia's actual goal was the Finlandization of Ukraine. This was stated a million times by not only Putin, but also NATO.For that matter, Russia's principle foreign-policy aim since the 1970's was the Finlandization of all of Europe. And it hoped to achieve this goal by buying the Germans off.
>>539543115>One notable point is that Russia has generally been cautious about selling its very latest offensive weapons (such as cutting-edge fighter aircraft) to Iran. Political considerations, sanctions, and Russia's desire to balance relations with other Middle Eastern states have often limited the scope of transfers, even as the two countries have become closer strategicallytldr russia gave them jackshit.
>>539535430jeets are all pro russia though. seems more likely (You) are a jeet trying to deflect lol>>539535817ironic
>>539543115Can you link to a quote where NATO said that? Oh wait, of course you can't. You are a lying homosexual russian subhuman.
>Jewkrain winning so hard they fired their commanderKEK
>>539543062There's no contradiction, retard. What do you think NATO's strategy in Ukraine was?>denazifying ukraineAmerica has been supporting the UPA since the Cold-War. The kikes in Ukraine are literally promoting Bandera as a national hero. Basically, we pushed far-right nationalism in Ukraine because it was anti-Russia.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXl7nX2rp8>protecting the russian populations in eastern ukraine. preventing a genocide in donbasThe immediate cause of the war was because America started arming the fuck out of the Ukrainians starting in around 2018, but accelerated after that. America even held join-NATO exercises in Ukraine September 2021. Zelensky went to the Donbas wearing a Flak Jacket and threatened the people there with war and desolation. It was only a matter of time.>Reunifying ukraine and russia because they are actually the same peopleThis was never an objective. At least not of the SMO. Even if it was something desired by Putin.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians>bioweapon labs threatsThis was not an objective of the SMO.>fighting the globohomo west with trad russian valuesI mean, they are fighting the globohomo west. The traditional values narrative is a Hegelian anti-thesis.>crying about the minsk accordsYes, Ukraine refused to implement the Minsk accords. Do you have a point?https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1794663100538364108https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1497373617977536520
>>539543528>Can you link to a quote where NATO said that?No more NATO enlargement = Ukrainian neutrality = Finlandization of Ukraine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCr0_E742kDugin also discusses it here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv02AsNATAg&t=3249s
>>539543594They got rid of the dinosaur to achieve tzd faster. New guys makes pidors seethe, they are already calling him a war criminal.
>>539543737Literally nothing you post says even remotely close to what you claim. You are a pathological liar, a russian homosexual who lost his virginity to his dog.
>>539542909First, not 20 million, let's not get crazy. It's few more million.Also it has trouble keeping the current army supplied and finding replacements to the lost workforce by importing jeets and niggers, which is necessary to keep the economy and military industry running.And it's not early 1900s anymore, you don't have a "reserve" unless you have at minimum also weapons and ammo for all of them and for months to years. Having "men" in reserve is effectively just keeping a herd of cattle for slaughter. And Russia is pretty much at it's max in term of military industry already.So no, there's no "real Russian army" that's waiting in reserve and ready to fight off China or NATO.
>>539543738isnt the new guy pretty much unknown?
>>539543641The zigger shill confounding himself in excuses, half-truths and mental gymnastics to justify his lies. You love to see it.
>>539543594Rusniggers fired their commander twice, does that mean they are losing twice harder vpn tranny?
>>539544109He made a splash in the battle of mariupol in 2014, pic related and has been popular in ukraine since. Pidors have been seething about him.
>>5395438771) NATO literally said that Russia invaded Ukraine to stop it from joining NATO.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5xEBwBhds2) David Arakhamia said Russia only cared about Ukraine being neutral.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J5-uu2pGnM3) Arestovych said Russia only wanted Ukraine to be neutral.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH84) Dugin said Russia only needed Ukraine to be neutral.https://youtu.be/Iv02AsNATAg?t=3709Everyone is saying the same thing except retarded ass NAFO shills like yourself.
>>539544134Fuck off retard.
>>539544068I'd say they could field around 6 million combatants if we include Babushka's and loony bin patients. They could do it.
>>539544332>NATO literally saidThey literally did not, you lying homosexual russian dogfucker. If they had, you would link to an actual statement from NATO. This is why you will never have sex with a human despite being a homosexual.
>>539544383Psst, here's the reality. Russia doesn't get to decide for other countries who joins or doesn't join NATO. Hell, russia didn't even say much when a bunch of balkan countries joined or when sweden and finland joined after the war. He even said himself that NATO in Ukraine and Georgia wasn't a problem in the past, pic related. >http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/22952Ultimately, if putinshka has a problem with NATO, he should attack NATO, not some country that's barely in the process of joining.
>>539544815That's what Stoltenberg said though... "He went to war to prevent more NATO close to his borders."https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/events/transcripts/2023/09/07/opening-remarks>>539545006>Russia doesn't get to decide for other countries who joins or doesn't join NATO.What is the Monroe Doctrine. Moreover, Ukraine is a very divided country and the government was brought to power in a US-orchestrated coup.But yes, Russia originally hoped to join NATO, or at least to work with NATO cooperatively. Russia of course was spurned repeatedly and it became clear to Russia that the real purpose of NATO expansion was to destroy Russia.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8LMwNCt2w&t=1844s>if putinshka has a problem with NATO, he should attack NATOTo be fair, a broader European war is basically inevitable at this point. Europe is going bankrupt. It has spent half a trillion on a losing war. Its industries can't compete with China. The United States cannot afford to prop you up. Europe cannot afford the kind of permanent military spending that would be necessary while its manufacturing sector is hollowed out. Europe becomes more and more desperate with each passing day. There is only one path forward, escalation.Moreover, the United States is basically trying to leave Europe so that when the nukes start flying, it'll only be Europeans fighting.I personally can't wait till your nigger country gets wiped off the map.
>>539535302it was a big eye opener - but it was expected after all they are just a country just like mine aka they stole evereything after the USSR collapse
>>539545601No comment on putin saying himself that ukraine joining NATO did "not irritate us", or just a classic temporary bout of selective blindness?Also now it's because NATO wants to "destroy russia" on top on stopping the NATO expansion |AND globohomo. The reasons just seem to keep piling up.
>>539545796He said that in 2005. When Russia was still hoping for good relations with the West. A lot of things changed after that. Go read the William Burns memo from 2008. It was essentially a warning against announcing NATO expansion to Georgia/Ukraine at the Bucharest summit. Which was also opposed by Germany and France. Angela Merkel even said that Putin would interpret it as a declaration of war. That announcement effectively led to the Georgia-Russian War(which was started by Georgia).https://www.dw.com/en/merkel-stands-by-past-ukraine-nato-decision-after-zelenskyy-criticism/a-61359003https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-opens-up-on-ukraine-putin-and-her-legacy/a-62052345
>>539545796>>539546244I just want to say, after rereading what you posted, that isn't even what Putin said. You should have clipped it at the first paragraph.He mentions two things "influence" and "NATO expansion". He says he doesn't mind NATO's influence, but is opposed to NATO expansion. He doesn't say those words directly, but he is obviously distinguishing the two for a reason.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPZNRZNvwCUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqilLqsQmYAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wB9uL2lKawhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHm_7T7QNl8
