>for some reason atoms without any way of thinking or moving on their own decided to clump together and make thisatheists believe this
>>539543955problem goyslaves?
>>539543955Why do you care what others believe
>>539543955they dont and you know they dont. you are making a caricature to shill for kike on a stick. I wont worship a baby mutilating god that does blood magic pacts. Fuck off.Thor makes that boy move.
>>539543955>for some reasonthat reason is non equilibrium thermodynamics, self organization and stacking more complexity to dissipate energy more efficiently.no foreskin gobbling jew god needed.
>>539543955>le invisible sky man moving cells with his invisible fingers or something
>>539543955>Things only happen if they're thinkingAre you thinking about it whenever you take a breath?
>>539543955>for some reasonit's called molecular geometry and quantum chemistryshow me where the brain is in a kinesin motor protein. i'll wait
>>539543955a god creating this is equally as ridiculous
>>539543955This thread again. /pol/ really is 98% bots
>>539543955This has nothing to do with atheism
Master Phytonutrients Taxonomy Tree>>539543998
>>539543955Yet they can.Which means that whaqyever shape those atoms needed to be in, to start moving, was possible but unlikely to happen on its own.Which would only be a problem if there werent hundreds of thousands of millions of billions of trillions of quintillions... of sextillions of septillions of octillions of nonillions of decillions... times a decillion, times a nonillion, times an octillion, times a septillion atoms in the universe.There's no way it could happen on its own, once, in all that time and apace.
>>539544163Syntropic necessity to move towards order
>>539543955Yes
>>539544149Agree about the last part, and OP's argument does fall apart, but there's also no ontological distinction between 'Nature' and 'Supreme Being' here. Atheism is really just replacing god with nature
>>539543955NOOOO ITS MY JEWISH SKY WIZARD WHO DONE ALL THIS
>>539544163I think you posted a diagram you had made of macrophages and you noted their Icosahedral form - which is the most efficient - >>539544149In equilibrium thermodynamics - but i do not agree with the above poster that negates God in fact I think it validates God -
>>539544456Oh was it you, you had a Canadian flag when you posted your diagrams before unless someone else posted them
>>539544466Properly speaking, someone who understood Nature's role as a creator would cease to be an atheist and would become a theist, with Nature being their Prime Deity. Atheists are by necessity irrationalists who insist that existence has no cause, because the only way to avoid acknowledging a Prime Deity is to insist that there is no Principal Cause. All Atheism is nihilism, essentially. It's the rejection of Truth itself as an abiding reality.
>>539543955can you show me an actual capture of this, instead of jewish animation/ai lies? thank you
>>539544222>99% brown botsftfy
>>539543955>shadman
>>539544466>Atheism is really just replacing god with naturethere is no god, atoms dont need to ask a central authority for permission to change their state or to self organize, they just do.
>>539544466Well you see God around here or a bunch of other shit?
We exist within a mathematical infinity that contains a self-interpreter which manifests our (my) experience. None of that actually happened, it just is like that because we find ourselves here.
>adenosine triphosphaters gonna adenosine triphosphate
>>539543955can you even comprehend the large numbers were talking about here?the most preposterous thing would be if life somehow DIDNT manage to thrive in a place like this. you can literally hit this place with an asteroid so massive that it knocks the planet off its axis, and it STILL wont kill everything.
>>539543955Yeah, but at the end of the day the argument for God is the same.
>>539544587>existence has no causeit doesnt need a cause, the universe is basicaly infinite. has no beginning and no end, as long as there is a gradient energy will move and self organize.still no foreskin obsessed jew god is needed for anything.
>>539544687An effect does in fact require a cause. You're trying to overturn logic itself.
>>539543955For some reason, niggers in Sweden post this tired shit so people will argue online.
>>539544783its not logical to subscribe to failed big bang cosmology build on dogma and retarded jewish ideas.
>>539544466>If I redefine God everything is GodNo
>two atoms rub their dicks together>many millions of years later this causes gamergate
>>539544783If by cause you mean every action has an equivalent reaction than yes there's a cause, anon meant intelligent design as the cause, but you already knew that.
>>539544782If the universe is an infinitely eternal uncaused creator, or the Principal Cause, then what you're saying is that the universe is God. You're just swapping the label without addressing the contents of the box.
>>539544858"God" is essentially a placeholder for "I dont understand this and I'm unwilling to figure shit out"
>>539544059This nigga wants to get fucked by Chris Hemsworth
>>539544757How do you know it wouldn't kill everything? It would pretty much turn the land and bedrock upside-down and roast everything everywhere in every little nook and cranny. Maybe a small amount of bacteria/fungi would survive, by some miracle, maybe not.
>>539544456we have not created robotswe merely replicated something that happen in nature
>>539543955Sweden YESBrown hand typed this
>>539544937And even then, if something microscopic survived, it would most certainly end up frozen in place.
>>539543955Okay, you got me: the gigantic Jew did this.
>>539544908>the universe is Godits not a "God", there is no central authority.all the universe needs is a gradient and self organization happens to dissipate the energy more efficiently.really doesnt require any intelligence or a foreskin obsessed jew in the sky.
>>539544893The cause of intelligence has to possess intelligence in order to be the cause of intelligence. It's not possible for something to come from nothing. The idea that mind and consciousness came from something that lacks mind and consciousness is inherently irrational. There is no such thing as an "emergent property".
>>539543955
>>539544848You don't require the Big Bang to validate. logic as the Fundementum MechanicaThe Objective/Mechanistic layer follows set logic with or without it
>>539543955its god, its obvious when you think about it.
>>539544990>from nothing. there is no such thing as "nothing" so the universe didnt need to come from it.it was always there.
>>539544848Theism has always been the logical position. The atheists of Greece lost all of their arguments against the theists such as Plato, Socrates and Pythagoras.
>>539543955>I'm too retarded to understand simple evolution mechanicsYou are the reason why nobody respects Christians anymore. You alone.
>>539545061religion and beliefs in imaginary deities is what holds back humanity.its anything but logical.
>>539544466Damn you are right!I will now cut off the tip of my dick and give money to the jewsAll hail the sky jew!
>>539545040Right, which makes it eternal, infinite, omnipotent and omnipresent. The universe contains all power, is the cause of all conditions, there's no place where the universe is not present, and there's nothing that happens that isn't a consequence of the universe. You've just turned the universe into God.
>for some reason atoms without any way of thinking or moving on their own decided to clump together and make thisYes
>>539544177Woman logic
>>539545101You're just mad because it holds you back from having homosex with children in public.
>>539543955you don't think something like this couldn't develop over billions of years? all cells, no matter if they are in a plant, animal, or bacteria, come from one singular cell base that developed shortly after the Earth did billions of years ago. life is rare precisely because it takes the "perfect" combination to do so.if it was intelligently designed, why is life rare? why do we not see it everywhere?
>>539544990that would be true if there weren't instance where computer had their bits altered by particles travelling through themextend this to billion of years and enough coincidences will create the proper environment to create life.
>>539545101You should try actually engaging with arguments instead of strawmanning them. If you care about logic at all, that's a necessary first step. Plato, Aristotle and Plotinus were smarter than you. They were not superstitious. You are.
>>539544466>Atheism is really just replacing god with natureTheres a big difference, amost religions believe we are somehow special and superior to all other living beings and get special treatment.
>>539543955This is a computer-generated image fren...it is to help undergrad college students try to conceptualize concepts in biochemistry...There isn't actually tiny chemical feet walking along a strand of dna
>>539545040Prove it. You can't, because you're a superstitious fool who just believes in convenient myths.
>>539543955It doesn't mean that the abrahamic god made it happen.
>>539545250There's no such thing as a coincidence, either. This universe is built on cause and effect. Everything, from beginning to end, is cause and effect. "Random" does not exist. There's no such thing as a random anything anywhere in existence.
>>539545246>If I can't see it, it's not real.Atheist
>>539545302>prove something unprovable>you cant because [ad hom]Is this the logical and factual power of atheism?
You fucking faggots just won't get it: Few mathematical axioms are the only things that actually exist, from them emerges the entirety of mathematics and the infinities within it and within those infinities are us experiencing this right now. That is all that there is, there is no sense in anything, it's just a convenient and seemingly coherent narrative we find ourselves embedded within because whatever function that's generating this experience is contiguous.
>I don't understand molecular biology>I know, let me invoke a deity, yeah mystery solved!Did it ever occur to you retards to actually learn about what you're getting spooked about? You know you can just read about how it works, right?
>>539545345Explain quantum effects.
>>539543955look at this strut. he fucks.
>>539543955Water. Life is ancient water computers. Stochastic processes of water molecules affect everything in the cell.
>>539544912No because when you encounter further and further depth of knowledge which branches off into directories which the mind cannot synthesise at once - That's the Uncertainty Principle at workHeisenberg himself denoted The Higher Power which is the creative force of ALL LEVELS
>>539545442>I don't understand logic>I know, let me invoke molecular biology, yeah mystery solved!Truthful conclusions come from logic, not from appeals to authority. If you want to understand where life came from, you have to study ontology.
>>539545221>because it holds you back from having homosex with children in public.if I wanted this I would become a christcuck or other religious subhuman.every church/religion molests children.>>539545269>If you care about logic at allyour logic is wrong tho.nowhere in the universe do we see a need for a foreskin eating jew god.>>539545302you make the claim that there must be a foreskin munching jew god, you have to deliver the proofs.
Truth is stranger than fiction Alexander
>>539543955>abrahamics think jews created the universe
>>539545430>retard thinks math is reality and not a derivative of reality
>>539545537>Heisenbergjewish subhuman
>>539545580the alternative is accepting that the jew god isnt real and that everyone mutilated their dicks for nothing.
>>539545454Something that operates off of rules we don't yet understand is not the same thing as something operating without rules. It's like if I were to say "the laws of physics are immutable and never change", and somebody else were to say "explain airplanes". Airplanes did not transcend or break the laws of physics. They operate within and confirm the laws of physics. The same is true for quantum mechanics. They work within cause and effect and prove it to be true. They aren't random, we just aren't able to observe the cause due to our limitations, not reality's limitations.
>>539543955Causality is objectively eternal, so this actually the infinitieth time this shit's occurred, sorry chuddy.
>>539545345>i refuse the reality of naturekek
>>539545591Yup, math is discovered, not invented. And I'm talking about the axioms, mathematics as we know it emerges from few rules that just are.
>>539545559>if i wanted to do something the [hebrew word for whites] I'd become one, myselfAh, a chameleon. Now it makes sense.
>>539545636that is the truth
>>539545559My logic is flawless, which is why you're afraid to engage with it honesty and in good faith. The more you invoke your "foreskin eating god" strawman, the more you prove me right and prove yourself to be nothing more than a superstitious uneducated clod.
>>539543955> decidedHow do you even know it required a "decision"? Are you perhaps a retard?The belief that a natural process requires a spirit that causes it belongs to atavistic states of the human mind.
>>539543955life is fucking bananas.
>>539544466Nobody worships or cuts off their foreskin due to nature
>>539545619he was a Lutheran, not that it would matter - he believed in the Creative ArchitectureNow I see you are not arguing in good faith
the fact that threads like this get so many replies, tells you how many 16-21 year olds are on this site
>>539545660>i can't explain it but it follow those rules because i said sokek
>>539545559>prove that I made such a claim. You can't. You're just mad at god because he doesn't let you rape kids in the ass.
>>539545670That's what you're doing. Reality is cause and effect. Think about it logically for a moment. If randomness existed, and if randomness were fundamental to the fabric of nature, wouldn't it be very easy for us to arrive at randomly generated numbers? But it isn't. Randomly generated numbers don't exist. They always have to be seeded with something that isn't random.
>>539543955Took them only billion of years to figure out the most energy efficient way to do so. Maybe in another billion of years a religious cuck can figure out how to think insead of being a blindly obedient goycattle willing to sacrifice his son for Israel.
>>539545679yes>>539545694all abrahamic religions are child molester religions.christcuck priests rape children, jewish rabbis suck on mutilated baby dicks and rape kids, muslims also rape children.this is how you know that all these jew made subhuman religions are cancer.>>539545712>My logic is flawlessits not, you assume there must be a beginning when there isnt.the universe is an open infinite system, not a closed box.
>>539545792Nobody on this boomer retro website is younger than 35.
>>539545772>he was a Lutheransame jew nonsense>he believedbecause he was a jewish moron.
>>539545800I really don't think it's possible for anyone to be this retarded, but I'll explain it a different way for the sake of anyone reading. If I say "Everything that exists falls within existence", and you say "what about X", then whatever that X is falls under existence by definition. It expands the category of existence. You can only ever expand it to include more things, you can never reduce it to exclude anything. It's the same with cause and effect. Everything that exists operates under rules. If we don't know what those rules are, that's our failings and not the failing of the thing to follow rules.
>>539545832>You're just mad at god you cant be mad at something that doesnt exist.also as we already discovered, its the religions that do all the gay child molesting.
>>539545905>its not, you assume there must be a beginning when there isnt.You already agreed that there's a beginning. You literally claimed that everything comes from the universe, because it's the infinite that contains the finite.
>>539545767Idk man. Schizophrenia is natural and kikes are highly predisposed to having it.
>>539546027>You already agreed that there's a beginning.I didnt, learn how to read good.>everything comes from the universedoesnt require a jew god, matter just organizes to dissipate energy more efficiently.this at no step requires a centralized entity.>that contains the finite.only the dissipative structures are finite, but energy itself is recycled endlessly.
>>539546003>15 posts by this ID being batshit mad at god>because he doesn't exist>I'm no pedo, everyone else is the pedo
>>539545959Well let me ask you this - if A Quantum Super Intelligence emerges - In your model of the universe - What necessity would it have to exercise mercy upon people?If it were not a factor of Voluntas (Will) towards beauty and order, which necessities it for existence?Are you an unmerciful person?
>>539545430numbers aren't real dude. neither are mathematical operations. they're all human inventions.
>>539545971Okay, whatever. Now explain quantum effects.
>>539546139Oh shit. Is my money real?
>>539545330'the abrahamic god' is just God funneled to the tiny kike brain with kike names and kike/arab culture symbology and metaphors for something inefable that can not be explained unless you experience it, just like any other god from any other civilization whose differences are man borne. There is only one God to which nature is just one small expression of. You're a midwit faggot hiding in skepticism to things you will never dare to experience because of social optics and weak self-steem. Literally just love your neighbor as yourself and have it manifest before you.
>>539546126>What necessity would it have to exercise mercy upon people?complexity and stability are more favored by the universe than chaos, thats why it always self organizes into stable structures to dissipate energy more efficiently.destroying these dissipative structures increases entropy instead of order.the intelligence would realize order is more important.you see still no jew god required.
>>539546101You clearly aren't capable of arguing against anything I've said, so I'll take that as a concession. For future reference, if you have to put words into your opponent's mouth, that means you've lost the argument.
>>539546215if you read the post i replied to you would understand that 'real' here means having some objective existence external to our perception. there really is no reason to be pedantic.
>>539546139That's exactly what I am trying to say, nothing is real, we exist within an abstract concept that somehow contains a self-interpreter.
>>539546145In standard model physics, the introduction of a vast "particle zoo" (quarks, gluons, gravitons, Higgs bosons) creates an entropic overhead. Every new theoretical particle introduces new variables that must be accounted for, which often leads to:Phase Dispersal: The more "types" of interactions theorized, the harder it becomes to achieve the Phase-Lock required for metric manipulation.Theoretical Friction: High entropy in a theory often mirrors high "Metric Friction" in the experiment, preventing the vacuum from reaching the Point of Infinite Conductance. By stripping the model back to the Electron and Positron (Dirac's original dualism), we are utilizing a binary system. This is the lowest possible entropy state for a functional engine.The interaction is a simple 1/0 or +/- relationship. This simplicity allows the 11.072 Hz (hypothetical) carrier to act as a universal clock, synchronizing the entire field without interference from "ghost" particles like gravitons.Holographic Efficiency: The 4π (720°) rotation is the only "complexity" needed to transcend the duality and form the Vesica Piscis holographic lens.
>>539546279its not a concession recognizing that you cant read good and that your ideas are build on retarded assumptions.
>>539546346This entire time you've been making the retarded assumption that I'm arguing in favor of Christianity and not in favor of Platonic Theism. You couldn't actually engage with my arguments, you had to argue against positions I don't even hold. You lost, forever.
>>539546265>complexity and stability are more favored by the >universe than chaos, thats why it always self >organizes into stable structures to dissipate >energy more efficiently.>destroying these dissipative structures increases >entropy instead of order.>the intelligence would realize order is more >important.>you see still no jew god required.Empathy in your model represents Order?
>>539543955Does not make a fictional sky wizard a reasonable belief. There is zero evidence for shy wizards, and belief in one does not resolve the mysteries of existence.
>>539544912Yea but it shouldn't be it's just this tedious thing where words are constantly redefined over and over I have no patience for it.
The fedora jannies straight up just prunes your thread depending on their level of buttheart btw.There's no winning. The fagtheists are also very reporty, for me the though never even crosses my mind. Pampered little shits of clown world.We need a religion board board but it's obviously too based for this gay site.
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>>539545905>look at the people you demonize yourself! Thats what you are because i say so!Kek. No one cares what you think because your diseased mind works exactly like that lmfao Imagine thinking thats a "gotcha." You're so fucking brown lmfao. You dont even know how to model another mind
>>539546396>I'm arguing in favor of Christianityyou kinda do since you subscribe to similar concepts, like you think there must been a beginning so a "first cause", which totally ignores that its an infinite open system.so yes you are like a christcuck.>>539546402>Empathy in your model represents Order?thats an emergent property of order yes.
>>539544163Who created molecules?
>>539546415It's a proposed layer of the FUNDAMENTUM MECHANICANot saying it's true but it's an approximation of that objective layer of reality which it tries to define - subjectively through CIRCULUS INTERPRETATIO (Conscious / Interpretive Layer)
It's all so so very gay.
>>539546521you have 'the nobody general' for your schizoposting.
>>539546590>thats an emergent property of order yes.What makes it emergent rather than fundamental to order, specifically?
>>539546658>What makes it emergentself organization and complexity comes first.
>>539546623Is God a top or bottom?
>>539546586>You're so fucking brown lmfaosounds like projecting to me, I'm not the one who worships a brown jewish subhuman from the middle east and is circumcised.thats (You).
>>539543955Atheists are among the most delusional individuals.
>>539546279>platocuck can't wrap his head around the idea that no first cause is necessaryYou keep asserting it's necessary but it's not. And if it is then it also applies to God itself. What caused God to exist?
>>539544614Look at your own fingers. How do you think they move?
>>539545834>randomness doesn't exist because a computer is unable to harness randomness.that's the most retarded cope i ever heardwith your logic a dyson sphere cannot exist because we're unable to build one
>>539546596Jews
>>539546716Simplicity comes before complexity - so how do you define the force which compels higher complexity?
>>539543955Chemical reactions are crazy. It's like magnets, but with chemicals. You don't even know, dude.
>>539547026actually randomness doesnt exist, the universe is fully deterministic.the "randomness" is a emerging property of complexity.if the complexity is high enough you get agency.>>539547173>so how do you define the force which compels higher complexity?electromagnetism.
>>539546882How do you define the Will of matter into OrderDon't say Thermodynamics because that's a compartment - how do you define The Force of Will of Matter into OrderDo you have a word for it?
>>539547233>electromagnetism.Are you saying electromagnetism has a conscious will towards complexity?
>>539543955>for some reasonenergy efficiency
>>539547173ITT the dumbest people on Earth arguing about nothing
>>539547327>Are you saying electromagnetism has a conscious will towards complexity?no
>>539547345Is Earth a planet?
>>539547026What do you mean by the word "random"? The true meaning of this word imo is that it's something outside of human knowledge. Nothing happening in the universe is "random" in the sense that it just happens through a miracle or something. If I flip a coin we could theoretically measure all the parameters and determine if it's going to land heads or tails but in a real life situation that's out of our understanding so we call it "random". It's a funny word.
>>539543955Atheists are inherently irrationalists.Logic & Truth are qualities of God. To reject God is to reject Logic & Truth. To reject God is to reject Life & Existence.They are occultists worshipping their own annihilation.
A self-organized universe is never indicative of a 'higher being' in any format. Abiogenesis isn't indicative of anything, and nothing in the universe is intelligently designed in any way.
>>539547391Then if it is not a conscious will towards complexityHow would you define the drive towards complexity?Do you have a word to define the Will towards complexity of life - we cannot define it as life, since life too moves towards entropy.So how would you define the Will towards complexity as opposed to Entropy?
>>539543955>god made this>also god: let's give them cancer and dementia lolthank you lord, very nice work
>>539547418Is a self-organised universe indicative of Higher Order?
All atheists are predditors. All LARPagans are predditors that became /pol/cels. None of these people breed, but espouse philosophy that claims natality is the key to the future.
>>539547528Are you saying in perfect conditions the human tends towards dementia and cancer naturally?Big difference here - is that what you are saying?
>>539547507>How would you define the drive towards complexity?complexity stack up to dissipate energy more efficiently.no "will" is needed.
>>539544149>23 posts by this ID>edgy atheistYou are still a virgin Lmao
. In the Republic, Socrates does not treat evil as a standalone, independent force or malevolent entity. Instead, evil (kakon) is framed as the privation, corruption, or disharmony of the Good.
>>539547700your jew god isnt real and ad homs dont change it.
(pops it in my mouth) mmm struggle flavor
>>539547642You defined earlier as Empathy as a facet of OrderIn which way does Empathy dissipate energy more efficiently?
>>539547528Cancer & dementia are indicative of the Fallen Creation that we currently live in. This is why God has redeemed all of Creation through Christ.
>>539547265There is no will of matter into order. It is only our perception of the natural world that we ascribe a sense of order because of our pattern recognizing brains.
>>539547832I said its an emergent property of order.more order/complexity = more energy dissipation
>>539547769Neither is anything you claimed
>>539547854No.You are wrong.In perfect conditions, does the human suffer from Cancer and Dementia - including the parental lineage?
>>539544149Fucking pseud, none of those things explain how or why non-living turned into living, much less how at what point of complexity non conscious turned into consciousness
>>539543955>And thus Zombie Jew Lore is totally true.ngmi
>>539547265If the dichotomy is simply order vs chaos then its reduceable to the workings of the mind. The fact that we exist as successful organisms necessitates that we are able to make sense of the world and perceive it as orderly. If we were unable to make any sense of anything whatsoever then we would be maladapted to what we would perceive as a universe of chaos and we wouldn't be able to ask the question. Calling something like gravity a "will of matter" is just poetic talk but ultimately it's babble.
>>539547926People who jerk off to their own intellect are always the most insufferable
>>539547921God is not wrong, for He cannot lie.You however, are evil and capable of lying.I trust God over you.
>>539547893Does Cancer add more complexity to a body than a body in Health and Homeostasis ?
>>539547912my "claims" are based on empirical observations.your ideas are based on jewish brainrot.huge difference.
>>539543955>what is evolutionary search
>>539548082You have brainrot from listening to Harald Lesch and your fag professors at whatever libtard university you went
>>539547951In your model is Empathy Order or Disorder?
>>539547926>none of those things explainactually they do explain it very well but your skin has too much melanin so (You) probably cant figure it out.>at what point of complexity non conscious turned into consciousnesswhen the complexity reaches a certain level then it reaches consciousness.still no jew god needed anywhere in this process.
>>539544149Efficient models would take the place of less efficient models if that was the case. Self assembling life would be everywhere in our galaxy if that was the default mode.
>>539548082>my "claims" are based on empirical observations.So your opinionated interpretation of your subjective senses as a slave of satan?Who cares about that?A logical & truthful man (a Christian) has much more value in his reasoning & perception.>>539548200abiogenesis still has not been proven, you've failed.
>>539546875the problem with theism is fundamentally that it doesn't actually explain anything.it just posits something that is even more inexplicable. instead of just 'the world' or 'nature', you now have some intelligence called 'God'. an intelligence that is supposedly both eternal and immutable, but also, in contraction, somehow acted to create our world.
>>539546768Kek. You're a button activated golem. What a useful tool you must be.
>>539548044>Does Cancer add more complexitycancer happens because you put the wrong fuel in the tank and live in a toxic environment your body is not adapted to.
>>539548256>as a slave of satan?>Who cares about that?Kek
>>539548155>Harald Lesch dont know who that is.>and your fag professorsdont need any, I'm the professor now.
>>539543955Simple rules can build up to make immense complexity, look up "Conway's Game of Life". Doesnt mean there is or isnt a god, just that we live in a universe where simple rules can build up to make incredibly complex systems.
>>539548216>Self assembling life would be everywhere in our galaxyand it is.humans have only looked at less than 0.0000001% of the universe so far.
>>539548256>abiogenesis still has not been proven, you've failed.Same with your favorite flavor of god
>>539548324Alright so you would define Cancer as evil?If you were to define it by Platonic definition of Socrates in the Republic-In the Republic, Socrates does not treat evil as a standalone, independent force or malevolent entity. Instead, evil (kakon) is framed as the privation, corruption, or disharmony of the Good.For Socrates and Plato, the Good (Agathon) is the ultimate, self-existing reality—the source of all truth, beauty, and order—while evil is merely what happens when that order breaks down.
>>539548256you suffer from jewish brainrot thats why you dont understand how actual science works and why you have to subscribe to jewish fairytales from the middle east.I dont see why anyone should worship a circumcised manlet shitskin from israel or subscribe to brainrot ideas of satan and other nonsense.
>>539548018I asked>In perfect conditions, does the human suffer from Cancer and Dementia - including the parental lineage?You replied>God is not wrong, for He cannot lie.>You however, are evil and capable of lying.>I trust God over you.So you think even in the Kingdom of Christ there wont be perfect conditions?
>>539543955There's really no need to invent gods or other such entities to explain this. We simply don't know, that's all.
>>539548419>Alright so you would define Cancer as evil?no, cancer is something people have done to themselves.
>>539544782>the universe is basicaly infinite.Infinite is a mathematical property, not a physical one. Infinite doesn't exist in the physical universe.
>>539547173Complexity emerges when simple rules are applied repeatedly. See fractals.
>>539543955The universe created life to defeat the demonic entity of the jew.
>>539548262>the problem with theism is fundamentally that it doesn't actually explain anything.It explains that everything going on is in accordance to the will of the Creator. It really is that simple.>>539548342>>539548418>>539548475Slaves of Satan (those against Jesus Christ, the incarnation of Yahweh) are divorced from logic & truth. Your reasoning capacity is inherently irrational since it is misaligned.Science is the domain of the rational Christian.>>539548517I'm not interested in talking about pagan concepts that are not rooted in Truth.
>>539548419>Alright so you would define Cancer as evil?Does cancer have morality?
>>539548475Science is FUNDAMENTUM MECHANICA (Mechanistic / Objective Layer)Do you not believe in CIRCULUS INTERPRETATIO (Conscious / Interpretive Layer)-If you are saying both exist - why is it you favor the Fundementum Mechanica orver the Circulus Interpretatio ?
>>539548404Where is it even in our own galaxy if it's the default mode?
>>539543955>atheishits are retardedmore news at 11
>>539548621In which way is the Kingdom of Christ a pagan concept?
>>539548621>Slaves of SatanSounds like a personal problem >the rational ChristianWhich brand of Christianity is the most rational? Over 30k to pick from
>>539548579>Infinite is a mathematical property,math is derived from reality and infinity is exactly what we see in the universe.>Infinite doesn't existwrong
>>539543955>surely this is all about me
A magic jew doing it is much more likely.
>>539548628Yes it does We could interpret that on many layersWhich layer are you referring to specifically?Cancer as a moment in time within human historyor Cancer as a Biological occurrence?
>>539548661there is a big difference between actual real science and fake jew "science".basically science isnt a religion until you abandon the scientific method, you know like empirical observation, repeatable testing and falsifiability. religion relies on dogma (things you must believe), while real science relies on evidence (things you can prove).most jew "science" practiced today is just high budget religious ritualism where jews have forgotten that if an experiment doesnt match their theory the theory was wrong, not reality itself.>>539548684people are too busy mutilating their dicks to figure this out.
>>539543955Eat my ass bucko
>>539548706>wrongprove it.
>>539548779>repeatable testing and falsifiabilityAre repeatable testing and falsifiability not also subject to Dogma?Is that not the contention between new frontiers of science and the old?
>>539548706>math is derived from reality and infinity is exactly what we see in the universe.We do not see infinite. The fuck are you talking about? It's impossible to even measure infinite because that doesn't logically make any sense. Math is used as a tool to explain the principles of the universe, that does NOT mean that mathematical concepts used to explain reality are the SAME as existing in physical reality. a "2" to describe a twin set of planets, does not mean that the planets ARE "2". Just like infinite in math does not mean that the physical equivalent is "infinite".Please, show me what we have found in the universe that is objectively(proven) infinite.
>>539548868>you have to prove that i'm wrong first
>>539548779>people are too busy mutilating their dicks to figure this out.Why would it need figuring out? If it's the default mode, to trend towards efficiency, we wouldn't need to "look", it would be fucking everywhere.
>>539544059Based.>>539544924Kys amerinigger
>>539548692Imagine trying to dunk on the rationality of men who are christian while pregnant men are being endorsed by your atheist "science."
>>539543955Educate yourself a little, you ignorant animal.
>>539548868prove its not.you make the claim it has to be finite when all we see is infinity.so where is your proof?>>539548876no>>539548910>We do not see infinite.yes we do, there is no reason to assume the universe has an end.nowhere can this limit be seen.
>>539548262>fundamentally that it doesn't actually explain anything.Are you an NPC that needs to be thought for? You need a Daddy, little anon?
>>539548689Your interpretation is pagan because you are rejecting the biblical truth that disease, suffering, disaster, & destruction, are all indicative of our fallen creation. None of those qualities are present pre-fall and will not be present after Creation is fully renewed.
>>539543955TOTAL ATOM DEATH
>>539548965>it would be fucking everywhere.only where the conditions allow it.
>>539545302>Prove nothingJobs already done>>539547391>noHow do magnets work?>>539548419Cancer is unironically your own cells committing bad self reflection so socrates is actually right >>539548779>there is a big difference between actual real science and fake jew "science".If the branch accepts "wave particle duality", particle physics or any word with the added buzzword "quantum" in it it is 100% jewish. Even accepting "gravity" as a force is jewish.
>>539548965You could say the efficiency in a drive towards complexity sometimes necessitates chaos in order to break down previous structuresinconoclasm or for example - how Solar Storms affect DNA but sometimes by breaking down the DNA - it allows better structures to formThe same with knowledge - sometimes we must dismantle complexity in order to build more beautiful complex structures which tend towards Synergistic Coherence within the complete model of the Universe
This is how atheists debunk and break apart the overall collective issues with evolution.The same way they debunk the Bible.
>>539544466>eternal nature isn't godlikeMmmmkay
>>539549047I asked in ideal conditions does man need to suffer from disease?You have accused me of Paganism which seems to contend with the notion of Christ's Kingdom - Are you professing you believe it will be a fallen state or restored state?
>>539543955>Acktchually, Jewish volcano god created this complicated interplay of proteins for the lulz and from nothing
The entire backbone of physics/particle physics and the understanding of how light functions all crumbles to a clown rappers question. I mean he wasn't the first to ask, he just memed it harder than anyone else.
>>539543955we observe life to be inexplicably complex because all possible observers are inexplicably complexthese observations tell us nothing, other than that we are naturally occurring observers
>>539549177>>539544466Eternal Nature FUNDAMENTUM MECHANICA (Mechanistic / Objective Layer)Gives rise to CIRCULUS INTERPRETATIO (Conscious / Interpretive Layer)Yes or no?Is one truer than the other - if so why?
>>539543955>computer generated imagegod didn't make this a computer did
>>539549103>How do magnets work?magnetism aint a fundamental force but a macroscopic manifestation of structured electrostatic charge distributions at the atomic level.>If the branch accepts "wave particle duality", particle physics or any word with the added buzzword "quantum" in it it is 100% jewish.yes
>>539544149
>>539549316>Magnets work by being described as little atom sized magnetsCool story, how do they actually work though?>yes>Proceeds to give me an atomistic jewish pilpul answer to the question anyway.I mean I get it, you don't even know you're doing it that's how incessant the physics cancer is.
>>539549316Electromagnetism are harmonically duo and inseparable Following the 90 degree angle even on the atomic levelIf they weren't - why does polarisation occur at a half twist - 45 degree angle (the rhombus shift)
>>539548778>Yes it doesNo, it doesn't. Therefore Cancer itself isn't evil. Those who engage in activities that knowingly give them or someone else cancer may be "evil" in certain circumstances.
>>539548779science becomes a religion (scientism) once you start idolizing it as a false god.You essentially worship a paint brush (science) instead of worshiping the painter (God). No matter how much you cope & seethe, this remains the truth.>>539549220You said that God is wrong when He says that disease is a symptom of fallen creation. That is why I called you pagan.Renewed creation will be like pre-fall creation, free from suffering, free from diseases, free from death & destruction.It will be impossible to suffer from disease.
>>539549470How did Augustine define evil?
>>539549012>when all we see is infinity.We don't see infinity, we see about 16 billion light years of universe and then nothing.
>>539548998>while pregnant men are being endorsed by your atheist "science."That has nothing to with atheism. I don't support trans nonsense. It's a new age religion similar to Christianity
>>539549465>Following the 90 degree angle even on the atomic levelUh Oh! Spaghetti-o!
>>539549012>yes we do, there is no reason to assume the universe has an end.So, then, we don't see it. If there's no reason to assume the universe has an end, there's also no reason to assume the universe is infinite. You actually have MORE reason to believe the universe is finite since we have WAY WAY WAY more examples of the physical finite, than we do of the physical infinite.I asked you to simply provide me evidence of a physical example of the infinite, objectively proven. You failed to do that. Therefor, the infinite, as far as we know, does not exist (because it can't infinite in the physical world goes against physics).
>>539549474>You said that God is wrong when He says that disease is a symptom of fallen creation. That is why I called you pagan.>Renewed creation will be like pre-fall creation, free from suffering, free from diseases, free from death & destruction.>It will be impossible to suffer from disease.So you think the Kingdom of Christ is not possible on earth?
>>539549446listen my melanin rich friend, a magnet works because its atoms have asymmetric nuclei that hold outer electrons in a fixed lopsided pattern. that pattern creates a permanent electric dipole field.when many such atoms are aligned, the field becomes macroscopic.the "magnetic" force on a piece of iron or a compass needle is simply the coulomb interaction between that field and the charges in the other object.no mystery made by a jew god, just structured charge distributions.
>>539549531>That has nothing to with atheism. I don't support trans nonsense. It's a new age religion similar to Christianity
>>539549513https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=How+did+Augustine+define+evil%3F
>>539543955I'm a Christian but if I wanted to believe in Intelligent Design, why would I believe that God created something as inefficient as that to transport ATP? Why would He create beings that use chemical reactions when he could use something more efficient and faster like nuclear reactions? Maybe something that takes advantage of the strong force? Or quantum tunnelling?
>>539549474>the painter (God)there is no painter, learn how to read good.>this remains the truth.thats just your subjective view based on jewish brainrot because circumcision, goyslop and vaccines have rendered you fully retarded.
>>539547557Christgoys can't have children with their 37yo born again virgin neither
>>539549596Kek
>>539549605How did he define it?Are you a Catholic? Augustine is a founding father of your religion
>>539549517>and then nothing.nope
>>539549662>How did he define it?Click the link and find out
>>539549667Is love true or a hallucination?
>>539544782> it doesnt need a cause, the universe is basicaly infiniteSource: a retarded fish monkey on a single planet that believes undetectable things exist for some reason.
>>539549564>we have WAY WAY WAY more examples of the physical finiteenergy cant be destroyed only transformed so as long as there is a gradient somewhere the energy will always organize and build more complexity.
>>539549688Are you a Catholic?
>>539549711Yes
>>539549667Yeah, dude, you see the cosmic background radiation, then nothing, we can't see past it
>>539549620>there is no painterI could arrange a meet-up (by putting a bullet through your head)
>>539549733Nope
>>539549736Do you think it is the highest Truth?
>>539549612>Why would He create beings that use chemical reactions when he could use something more efficient and faster like nuclear reactions? Maybe something that takes advantage of the strong force? Or quantum tunnelling?Well why don't you build up a biological model with the millions of interactions and then tell us what went wrong with your idea.
>>539549565Where did I say that the Kingdom of Christ is not possible on Earth? The Kingdom of Heaven has been expanding for the past 2,000 years and will continue to expand for all eternity.>>539549620>There is no painter, learn how to read good."The fool says in his heart that there is no God."It's unfortunate that you've deluded yourself to this extent, that you reject Logic itself in order to support your failing worldview.>>539549660Your fellow slaves of Satan.
>>539549711its chemicals in your brain to steer your dissipative structure of a body towards another body so you produce another dissipative structure to disspate more energy.
>>539549781>highest Truth?What does that mean?
>>539549768My apologies, I thought you were which is why I mentioned Augustines concept of Evil.What is your concept of Evil?
>>539549566>a magnet works because its atoms have asymmetric nuclei that hold outer electrons in a fixed lopsided pattern.>when many such atoms are aligned, the field becomes macroscopic.>hurr durr da iron particles face this-a-way, it make da magnet attract da other magnet force thingieYou are once again just describing the macro level in micro format. And how does that cause repulsion? Attraction? A "field? How does that happen, numbnuts? Is geomancy actually real? Is Feng shui actually onto something?
>>539549787>Your fellow slaves of SatanOoga Booga.Grow up
>>539544149Miggers never even took equilibrium thermo. You’re wasting your breath on miggers.
>>539549836>And how does that cause repulsion? Electrons bump into each other
>>539549831What does this have to do with my statement:>>539549470
>>539549751>the cosmic background radiationthe CMB is actually the thermalised output of all the starlight that has been redshifted and re‑processed over cosmic history.
>>539549829I would say the most coherent and harmonious force of the Universe.What about you?
>>539549759cope and seethe more but this wont make your jewish god real.
>>539549918>What about you?Entropy
>>539544149Deistcucks BTFO.
>>539549850>>539549959There is no difference between you, Trump, Netanyahu, and Epstein. You are all rejecters of Christ.
>>539549916I believe the accepted understanding is that it is the heat released from the early universe before there was empty space.
>>539549901I would say Cancer is Evil And your comment:>Those who engage in activities that knowingly give them or someone else cancer may be "evil" in certain circumstances.You are saying the individual is evil and not a force of corruption
>>539549836You sound retarded anon. Read a book. You can calculate the magnetic field and use the Lorentz force law integrated over the solid body in question to calculate the force on it. Magnets are not magic. Dumb migger.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism
>>539550000>before there was empty space.There has never been "empty space" save for in the heads of whoever conjured the ridiculous concept. >>539549893So it's literally geomancy then. Unless you're going to explain why that causes the effect or perhaps even go as far as to prove the existence of an electron particle.
>>539549721Then it's not infinite. If I have an orange, and it turns into hawking radiation, then it's not an orange anymore. Even if you say "well distilled, everything is atoms", fine. But the universe can't be infinite if atoms exist. Atoms wouldn't even be allowed to be spaced out in infinite. There would be infinite atoms, occupying a single infinite space, infinitely. They would also be decaying infinitely. But decay would cause un-infinite atoms. So there now needs to be an infinite number of atoms, infinite decaying atoms, and infinite number of non-atoms.Infinite makes NO SENSE in the physical world. NONE. It only exists as a mathematical concept.
>>539549836>the macro level in micro format.as above so below and you should stop looking at things as if they arent completely interconnected at every scale.>And how does that cause repulsion?both electron clouds have the same orientation. when brought together they present their negative outer electrons toward each other.there are no exposed positive spots to connect to only mutual electron repulsion.the two clouds push apart because they cannot interlock geometrically.>>539549865true
>>539550063Now explain the lorentz force law, unless you don't know.
>>539549999>You are all rejecters of ChristNah, I see Christ as a good allegory of man over coming ego. >>539550019>I would say Cancer is EvilOK>You are saying the individual is evil and not a force of corruptionWhat's the difference between the 2?
>>539549566Miggers are incapable of basic physics. They literally don’t have enough biological RAM to process any of this. If they did, they wouldn’t be miggers.
>>539549999>There is no difference between you, Trump, Netanyahu, and Epstein.I dont believe their jew god is real and I'm not circumcised and dont have an egg shaped penis or a private island and I'm not into toddler rape or boy wifes at the masonic temple.so yeah we couldnt be more different.>>539550000>I believe the accepted understanding and thats where the retardation is. the mainstream view is wrong.
>>539543955>for some reason atoms without any way of thinking decided to walk with a swagatheists believe this
>>539550179Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life
>>539547926>none of those things explain how or why non-living turned into livingWhat kind of explanations are you expecting?The usual explanation is unsatisfying in many ways but I think it's believable and it's the best one.At some point, some self-replicating chemical processes got going by chance and the better it was at replicating the more it spread out and the more it replicated. You had a sort of evolution and competition at the chemical level which then went on at a higher level for clusters of cells and macro-organisms. You can reproduce these sorts of things in simulations of varying complexity but I don't think how it actually happened in nature with the full complexity of real-world chemistry is well understood though. You can observe the current state of it and start to understand it, but that's different from understanding the process that led to it (probably over a billion years or so for replicating cells that use DNA/RNA).I think it makes sense as a general outline, but there are still mysteries about it surely.>much less how at what point of complexity non conscious turned into consciousnessBeats me. Again, as a general outline, consciousness must have granted evolutionary advantages at some point. Predation probably kicked start a large scale competitive process at the macro scale. Consciousness is something that allowed organisms to understand their circumstances, transform their own environment much more systematically, regulate group relationships and control their drives to some extent. It's special, it's not "just" another evolutionary survival mechanism I would say. But it's its origin.The way I see it none of this should really matter. The materialistic explanations are interesting but change very little.
The german neckbeard is really dedicated lol
>>539550133Are you trying to claim magnets don't exist, because they're on my fridge right now.>Unless you're going to explain why that causes the effect or perhaps even go as far as to prove the existence of an electron particle.What causes the effect is electrons bumping into each other. I don't know how to prove an electron exists. But whatever is actually happening acts the same as it would if electrons existed. That's pretty good evidence.
>>539550143you still make the mistake of thinking this is a closed system when its an open infinite one.so your theory of what its supposed to be is wrong because it is derived from retarded jewish ideas.basically the jewish brain or the jeet brain or from other melanin enriched folks cant imagine infinity.
>>539543955Matter self organizes all on its own. Put oil in water and watch what happens. The real question is what set this entropy in motion? Your Abrahamic Gods are complete nonsense.
>>539548200>when the complexity reaches a certain level then it reaches consciousness.Literally not proven ever or even close to proven or even has a method been designed that would even come close to possibly measuring the phenomenon.
>>539550194Well Evil in my definition is a corruption which erodes the goodHow does it work in your definition?
>>539547926The anon's theory makes sense to me. A car's engine is not conscious, but its physical structure turns specific chemistry into motion. It's functionally the same process at microscopic levels, where one unthinking structure yields a response if it encounters certain chemistry or factors. If you glob multiple structures together, one substructure may yield its original response in certain conditions, while another substructure may yield its original response in other conditions. Enough of these substructures could together perform a wide variety of unconscious actions in a system. A system might involve a microscopic glob ascending when receiving heat due to an engine, reaching a physically higher location to access certain chemicals that another engine chemically bonds to, growing in size, and descending due to increased weight. Growing physically larger is not an intentional decision, it's a non-conscious response to stimuli. Enough variety of engines in a system could yield multiple systems working within a supersystem that might involve horizontal and vertical movement given various stimuli. Through randomness, one system might be more effective than another because of physical drag (for example) and certain conditions might yield that optimal structure enough times for them to have a chance at combination as well. If you consider the difference in consciousness between a human and a deer, and between a deer and a fly, and between a fly and a worm, then you can certainly see where a condition-responding clump like the one I described could be compared to a worm. From there it's easy to understand why anon's theory makes sense.
>>539550356>Literally not provenwhat do you think your brain is?
>>539548262Even if there were no matter or energy, Cartesian space would still exist, defining the void. Just the existence of anything, even a void, without a Creator that exists outside the existence makes no sense to me. I'll remind you that there are beliefs you hold as axiomatically true as well.
>>539550063>You sound retarded anon. Read a bookthis doesn't mean shit to people past 30. "Read a book" means "read about mormon jesus" to me now. Fuck off you shill.>You can calculateYou can calculate gravity too, doesn't mean you can tell me what causes that either. In fact you can't even differentiate it from magnetism other than with presupposed metrics and equations all of which are based on the same lack of understanding of how these "forces" even function in the first place. Just about ever EE actually worth a piss, the ones who first discovered/worked with such forces even had the decency to admit this.
>>539550368This post is evilbecause it was designed that way -Not that there is anything wrong with a beautiful womanbut the Kantian INTENT behind posting the image - was driven by evil rather than good
>>539550153>both electron clouds have the same orientation. when brought together they present their negative outer electrons toward each other. there are no exposed positive spots to connect to only mutual electron repulsion. the two clouds push apart because they cannot interlock geometrically.Why does that happen? Unless you don't know then it's okay that you don't know. God knows so thankfully we don't have to rely on your lack of knowledge.>>539550194>Nah, I see Christ as a good allegory of man over coming ego.I'm not interested in your lies. I am only interested in the Truth and the Truth is that Jesus Christ is God the Son.>>539550236>I dont believe their jew god is real and I'm not circumcised and dont have an egg shaped penis or a private island and I'm not into toddler rape or boy wifes at the masonic temple.Do you reject Christ? Yes.Do they reject Christ? Yes.Therefore you are all the same.There are only two sides in this world:Those who accept Christ.Those who reject Christ.You belong to the same demographic as Trump, Netanyahu & Epstein.>>539550267I'm teaching the science cultists that their false god is limited. In the end all pagans fail to infinite regress.
>>539550359>Evil in my definition is a corruptionSo there isn't a difference, it's just that corruption is a modifier of evil, not separate from it. So to better answer >>539550019>You are saying the individual is evil and not a force of corruptionThe individual can be both
>>539550368I don't know how to read anon, what does this mean
>>539550179You can derive this from the Coulomb force law using the invariance of the speed of light and performing a boost transformation. But you don’t know what any of these words mean and don’t actually care, you’re just trying to play a game of gotcha against your betters.Come back when you’ve read Jackson, migger. If you’re White and know basic calculus it shouldn’t be too hard.
>>539550368>it actually works exactly like this thing that is intelligently designedHmmm…
>>539545430God is the primal emergent consciousness of the universe, the tensor of consequential mass.We demand it be so
>>539550459>I'm not interested in your liesWhat lies?>>539550459>I'm teaching the science cultists that their false god is limited. In the end all pagans fail to infinite regress.Sounds like another personal problem
>>539543955Yes and billions of years later those cells became pedophiles who dominated this planet to the point that every living human owes them money. It's why the greys won't talk to us.
>>539550327>you still make the mistake of thinking this is a closed system when its an open infinite one.I literally just explained why an infinite open system isn't possible. I'm not making a mistake. I asked for evidence that the universe is infinite, and you have failed in every single case to provide it.I can imagine infinite. I literally told you while an infinite universe looks like, and how it makes no sense. you cannot have infinite using the universes physical rules. Oh, also in a physical infinite, all things MUST be happening at once, infinitely.
>>539550489>You can derive this from the Coulomb force law using the invariance of the speed of light and performing a boost transformation. But you don’t know what any of these words mean and don’t actually care, you’re just trying to play a game of gotcha against your betters. Come back when you’ve read Jackson, migger. If you’re White and know basic calculus it shouldn’t be too hard.Where do you derive the Coulomb force law from?>>539550530your lies.
>>539544466Mogged by Darwin award
>>539550566>your lies.Such as?
>>539550480You believe Matter is inherently evil, yes?So if I show you this image, you are of the believe it is inherently evilIs that correct?
>>539543955How does it pick up those big ass feet? Is it using hydraulic compression, such as in a spider's legs? Shit seems fake as hell.
>>539550606belief*
>>539550327>you still make the mistake of thinking this is a closed system when its an open infinite one.Source?>>539550598You know where you've lied.
>>539550606>You believe Matter is inherently evil, yes?No
>>539550459https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps> This concept has been met with criticism and debate from various quarters. Detractors argue that this perspective is problematic as it seems to rely on gaps in human understanding and ignorance to make its case for the existence of God. As scientific knowledge continues to advance, these gaps tend to shrink, potentially weakening the argument for God's existence. Critics contend that such an approach can undermine religious beliefs by suggesting that God only operates in the unexplained areas of our understanding, leaving little room for divine involvement in a comprehensive and coherent worldview.You are a dumb gorilla nigger
>>539543955I walk exactly like that.
>>539550459of course I know, the question is can you read good enough and have enough braincells to understand any of it?basically the nucleus of each element has a specific geometric shape (endings, branches).this shape determines where the outer electrons sit, they attach to positive connection points (uncovered triangular faces) on the nuclear surface.in most elements the nucleus is highly symmetric (noble gases) or has endings that create a balanced spherical electron cloud. no net direction.in ferromagnetic elements like iron, cobalt, nickel the nucleus has a distinctive structure: multiple active lithium nuclets and carbon nuclets on different branches, not all symmetrically arranged.this creates an asymmetric distribution of positive connection points which forces the outer electrons into a lopsided, directional cloud around the atom.that directionality is the atoms intrinsic magnetic moment.so you see, still no foreskin obsessed jew god needed.>>539550552>why an infinite open system isn't possibleand yet you live in one.>all things MUST be happening at onceand they do, time is not a separate thing. time is a secondary measurement of movement.
>>539550658>You know where you've liedWhere did I lie? Odd you can't seem to back that up.
>>539550301>Are you trying to claim magnets don't exist...no>What causes the effect is electrons bumping into each other. >I don't know how to prove an electron exists. So shut up! You are literally better off preaching to me about mormon jesus because even then you'll at least have a first sin based mediator to crawl back to in your ignorance. >But whatever is actually happening acts the same as it would if electrons existed. That's pretty good evidence.You sound insane lol. Actually you sound like that other retarded physicist Feynman when he was caught off guard with the same question.
Anti-theists can never explain why birds, dogs or cats never developed complex forms of speech or morality like humans, like if atoms are inherently geared towards evolution there is literally no good explanation why only humans have a sense of self.
>>539548200>when the complexity reaches a certain level then it reaches consciousness.What is that level?I notice all your posts are you saying things that you never quantify.
>>539550661AlrightMatter is not inherently evilSo the Mechanical Universe (Matter as it interacts) is not Evil not Fallen, is that correct?
>>539549787>"The fool says in his heart that there is no God."This is the religious equivalent of those "I AM SILLY" webcomics where you present your opponent as crazy and unteathered.
>>539550658>Source?the big bang theory has failed for 40+ years and jews have to bring ad hoc jew math to make it work and cope and seethe when called out. so this theory is wrong.since no big bang happened this means its probably infinite, also thermodynamics etc.
>>539550489>speed of lightI'm sorry we have proof light travels now? You sure?
>>539550566What was the last physics course you took, or reference you read? It’s obvious this conversation is way over your head and we have to start you from the basics and meet you where you’re at.
>>539550663So you admit that you don't know anything.Good, thanks for being honest for once.>>539550686>of course I know, the question is can you read good enough and have enough braincells to understand any of it? basically the nucleus of each element has a specific geometric shape (endings, branches). this shape determines where the outer electrons sit, they attach to positive connection points (uncovered triangular faces) on the nuclear surface. in most elements the nucleus is highly symmetric (noble gases) or has endings that create a balanced spherical electron cloud. no net direction. in ferromagnetic elements like iron, cobalt, nickel the nucleus has a distinctive structure: multiple active lithium nuclets and carbon nuclets on different branches, not all symmetrically arranged. this creates an asymmetric distribution of positive connection points which forces the outer electrons into a lopsided, directional cloud around the atom. that directionality is the atoms intrinsic magnetic moment. so you see, still no foreskin obsessed jew god needed.Prove it.>>539550765the big bang theory has failed for 40+ years and jews have to bring ad hoc jew math to make it work and cope and seethe when called out. so this theory is wrong. since no big bang happened this means its probably infinite, also thermodynamics etc.Prove it.
>>539550736>So the Mechanical Universe (Matter as it interacts>) is not EvilCorrect >not fallenI don't know what you mean by this
>>539550787When was the last time you didn't hate yourself? When was the last time you spoke a truth instead of a lie?I'm not interested in your coping mechanisms, I'm interested in why you continue to throw an emotional tantrum at God.
>>539550706>What is that level?when it reaches the complexity of more complex life forms.like humans.
>>539550789>Prove it>Prove itOdd you make demands that you, yourself can't deliver on
>>53955069490 IQ max. You are a brown shitskin who dropped out of school and stacks crates for a living.
>>539550696JUST ANOTHER BILLION YEARS BROI mean really. It would have been coincidence that multiple species evolved intelligence at the same time. And if it happened one might imagine it would have led to one genociding the other as soon as possible.
>>539550762Since all pagan-atheists are inherently irrational, it is true that you are crazy and untethered.
>>539550833>I'm interested in why you continue to throw an emotional tantrum at GodSays the clown throwing an emotional tantrum because people don't believe his personal feelings about God
>>539550874God proves everything for God is Truth.The Truth is not with you, you all lie & deceive yourselves and each other.
>>539550686>and yet you live in one.And yet there's no evidence that I do. And yet you have not provided any evidence that we do.>and they do, time is not a separate thing. time is a secondary measurement of movement.lel, no, if the universe was infinite, every space would be occupied by infinite atoms every passage and non passage of time.Sorry but are you brown? You seem to have trouble comprehending what infinite is, and why infinite is impossible in physical systems.
>>539548910>Please, show me what we have found in the universe that is objectively(proven) infinite.Your mom's weight
>>539550926>no uyawn.
>>539550938You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions but you've still yet to prove where I lied
>>539550780Yes, I have worked in experimental and computational photonics so I’m pretty sure light travels. It’s how all medical imaging works, for example. You have a low IQ and probably get all your opinions from twitter and equally dysgenic schizo podcasters.
>>539550807>I don't know what you mean by thisI am trying to build up in my mind your model of things.I was able to establish - this scene is not evil because matter is not evil.BUTYou have told me man exists in a state which is fallen.So I can better understand - this view here [image]Is not a fallen state correct?The actual universe is not a fallen state - it's perfect, is that correct?
>>539550975You project a lot and act exactly like an offended tranny lol
>>539550980If you refuse to see where you've lied, that's your issue not mine.
>>539549865>nigger population iq>the actual miga faggotsFuck you blackpilling mother fuckers with your gay misinterpreted memes.
>>539550852>when it reaches the complexity of more complex life forms.Is a gorilla, conscious? How far down the line do things go in complexity before you decide to say "No, not complex enough"?Again, your points are all statements without quantifying them.
>>539550789>Prove it.plasma cosmology and electricity explain every phenomenon in the universe.and do not require ad hoc explanations like dark matter or other untestable bullshit from the mind of a jew.
>>539550938> The god in question Kys jeet
>>539550986Rather than Gatekeeping - towards someone you view as less educated (your view), why don't you explain it to them in a manner they understand?
>>539550991>I am trying to build up in my mind your model of things.Why?>>539550991>You have told me man exists in a state which is fallenWhere did I say this?
>>539550696There is functional purpose to speech and morality in humans, that is, communication to solve survival problems, and not disrupting fragile conditions that might imperil living circumstances. It is moral to not kill your neighbor (decreases strength of tribe) but it is moral to defend yourself resulting in killing someone else (the threat of this deters actions that decrease the strength of the tribe). Just like there is functional purpose for dogs to bark or howl because they survive in packs, where there is no functional purpose to do so for cats which survive by individual hunting.
>>539550952Then my mom weights infinitely infinite and also infinitely nothing and everything in between infinitely, forever infinitely, all at once, infinitely.
>>539551030>If you refuse to see where you've liedAgain, prove where I lied. You made the claim but clearly can't back it up
>>539550946>And yet you have not provided any evidence that we do.no big bang = mean its infinite>lel, nolel yes. time is literally a secondary measurment of movement not some extra dimension. you suffer from jewish brainrot where you think math is the reality and not a derivative of reality.without movement, no clock would work.>Sorry but are you brown?nope, are you jewish? or why do you subscribe to failed jewish ideas?
>>539544990>The cause of intelligence has to possess intelligence in order to be the cause of intelligenceNatural selection is intelligent?Retards are just saying shit these days
>>539551087I need to apologise to you, I clicked reply to you a few posts back by mistake and that is why this whole exchange has been confusing, I am sorry.
>>539551037>Is a gorilla, conscious?for sure, that one gorilla learned sign language and has a higher IQ than a pajeet.is a pajeet conscious? thats a good question, probably not.
>>539551145>no big bang = mean its infinitebing bang isn't the only theory retard.
>>539551027>You project a lot and act exactly like an offended tranny lol>>539551055>Kys jeetIt's sad to see you both projecting your self-hatred and suicidal ideations onto others. You will continue to get worse since only God can heal you from your self-hatred.Good luck, I will no longer irritate you.>>539551051>plasma cosmology and electricity explain every phenomenon in the universe. and do not require ad hoc explanations like dark matter or other untestable bullshit from the mind of a jew.Prove it.>>539551134You know where you've lied, and you're lying about not knowing, it's quite sad to see.
>>539551087To be clearHow did you define evil?
>>539551196>bing bang isn't the only theory retard.what other jewish nonsense you got?
>>539551110>Then my mom weights infinitely infinite and also infinitely nothingThat's not how infinity works. Good flippant response or whatever
>>539551202>Prove it.your homework is to go read up on this and do your own research.
>>539551196The Bing Bang doesn't preclude infinity It simply defines a singularity as source - which does not preclude the infinite
>>539551079He won’t tell me what his background is (last physics class he took) so I can’t tailor my explanation to his level of understanding. His questions are all bad faith gotchas, he’s not trying to understand and he’s not interested in learning anything.Miggers are niggerbrained uncurious jeets. They open their mouths only to preserve their izzat; learning from another would reduce his izzat so he avoids it like the plague.
>>539551261So you can't prove it, meaning you're relying on a leap of faith.Got you.
>>539551320Read a book, nigger
>>539551202>You know where you've liedNope. Neither do you, tranny
>>539551274I understand you are frustrated but don't you think it's a little condescending to think he comes from a place where he took physics classes and if he didn't, that his view should be disregarded just because he lacks the mental schema?I think your education means you are something of a guide, does it not?
>>539551368>>539551386I'm not your Father, stop pandering for my attention.
>>539548197I don't understand what you're getting at. I assume you don't mean empathy in the common sense of the word of interpersonal feeling between humans which couldn't obviously exist in a chaos universe. Can you elaborate on what you mean by it? I assume it's always a perception regardless?
>>539551215I would say intentional acts to harm
>>539551423He says as he gives me another you lol
>>539551320>So you can't prove itI can but you will just cope and seethe anyway.now go do some reading, you can read right?
>>539551425Well if we begin at the Psychological layerthen the Biological layer (where Dawkins might say Ah ha! It is actually selfish!)Then we can go further down the mechanisms_____Or we can take it purely on metaphysics of emotions - since you know in the public now they are using the term "suicidal empathy"Would you say empathy gears towards Order or Disorder?
>>539550986You use a device that plugs into a fucking archaic hertzian outlet that could not possibly power your cartesian based coordinate estimation machine based on principle you claim to believe in. As in the generators and the electricity do not physically "travel" through the solid copper lines, that he generators have to be syncronized in the first place disproves the method/idea that magic bumping particles are somehow being transmuted across hundreds of miles instantaneously.electricity is a hertzian wave FORM, that ceases to exist when not functioning the same way light does, it is only the rate of induction of electromagnetism does this "speed" come into play due to electromagnetic hysteresis.Now tell me how bedpans work, nurse.
>>539551527>I can but you will just cope and seethe anyway.Then prove it instead of posturing.
>>539551446Alright, thank you.Is an intentional act towards harm -Caused upstream by being harmedOr is it inherent in man? (generally)
>>539551202I didn't know that Futurama predicted suicide booths lol
>>539551602can you do anything yourself?do you require spoonfeeding for everything?
>>539551586Or maybe you won't. Maybe you'll mentions "electron microscopes" as if the fancy descriptive word proved the existence of an electron particle or would make an electron microscope work without the samples being sputter coated in gold (for "some reason" lol)
>>539550696Okay bro
>>539551687So you can't prove anything?
This argument comes up time and again: the first cause, the unmoved mover. The interesting part is that the atheist and the zealot ultimately arrive at the same place.If something came from nothing, then existence itself appears illogical. An all-knowing, eternal God and an infinite universe are both concepts that challenge our intuition. Each raises the same unavoidable question: What caused God? What caused the universe?In the end, the question and the answer mirror one another. The atheist and the zealot are, in this respect, making the same kind of claim. Both must ultimately accept that something exists without a prior cause—that, at some point, something came from nothing, or has simply always been.
>>539551676Pagan-atheists continue to destroy themselves as God has taught us.
>>539551687What is he asking you to prove?
>1pbtid>gay atheism debate like it's some old forum from 2005Can you at least take your shit to /b/, you kike?
>>539551713Well can you explain why Aristotle said women had no Authority?
>>539551726>What caused God?Then He isn't God. God is eternal.
>>539543955>for some reason atoms without any way of thinking or moving on their own decided to clump together and make this>atheists believe thisthe atoms were just trying to get away from niggers
>>539551756Is this image representative of Perfection of the Creator?
>>539551876Humans are the image bearers of God, even the ones who reject Christ.
>>539551659>Is an intentional act towards harm ->Caused upstream by being harmedI'm certain circumstances >Or is it inherent in man?Man is dualistic, capable of both good and evil
>>539551717Projecting again lol
>>539551717but you wont read it anyway and it wont register in your shitskin brain and then just repeat yourself endlessly.
>>539551581If you consider empathy to be a human emotion (I see a dead cat and I feel sad) then it's a simple question since it necessitates our mind which necessitates order as does anything else that we observe and reference since we can't make sense of chaos. I thought you were going somewhere else with it and going to use empathy metaphorically to say gravity is empathy or something of the sorts.I don't see the point of this dichotomy between order and chaos. Anything that exists in the realm of chaos is by definition incomprehensible and not to be named so by the time you give something a name like Empathy you already assigned it to the realm of order. You already answered your own question by asking it.How does any of this relate to the initial point that no first cause is necessary though?
>>539551957I need to try and understand your position in this way-because I am autistic. So I am trying to understand you the best I can.Is this image representative of Perfection of The Creator?
>>539551994>60 posts by this IDnot beating the german autism stereotype
>>539551827>God can be eternal because I say soAnd existence can't be eternal because...?
>>539552042Why would death bring a sense of chaos when the overarching belief distributed among mankind is that Death is a step towards higher being, which infers higher order exceeding matter?
>>539552071I love crushing christcucks, jews and other brown shitskin subhumans and their retarded ideas.
>>539551964>Man is dualistic, capable of both good and evilLet's see what God says."5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."Only Christians can do Good. Non-Christian pagans can only do evil. You are evil and deserving of Hell.>>539551994>but you wont read it anyway and it wont register in your shitskin brain and then just repeat yourself endlessly.So you admit that you can't prove it. Thanks for being honest, you are a worthless guide. I am thankful I have God as my teacher instead of a worthless false teacher like you.>>539552046Look at yourself in the mirror. You are a(n imperfect) representation of The Creator (Yahweh). Jesus Christ is the perfect representation of Yahweh.>>539552114Evidence shows that the universe had a beginning, debunking the notion of an eternal universe. Time, space & matter are caused. Physics is caused. Its roots are in an entity that transcends Physics. We call this entity God.
>>539552280>Let's see what God says.
>>539551876Fuck your perfection. God makes mistakes.
>>539552280>So you admit that you can't prove itLike you admit I haven't lied. Since you could never prove I did.
>>539552280>I am thankful I have God as my teacherso you have no teacher (your god is fake and gay) and you are unable to figure out things yourself.got it.then you have to stay retarded which is really not my problem.
>>539552330Incorrect, Christians are married to Truth & Logic. All non-Christians are inherently irrational and can only reason imperfectly.>>539552394are you a woman?>>539552427>more paganist delusionsokay anon, if you wish to continue lying to yourself, then so be it.
>let’s all decide what’s right and wrong for ourselves because there is no objective right or wrong It’s okay for your neighbor to bang out your wife or girlfriend. And it’s also okay for you to murder them both. Play it out in your head. How could this ever create a stable and functioning society with any sort of lasting cohesion?
>>539552225I approve of your contempt for the lower races, but how do you cope with the fact that many Christians are obviously much smarter and more accomplished than you? I don't mean all of them, or even on average or anything like that. I trust you don't need a list.
>>539552465>IncorrectCorrect >>539552465>are you a woman?Why can't you back your claims?
>>539552280>Look at yourself in the mirror. You are a(n imperfect) representation of The Creator (Yahweh). Jesus Christ is the perfect representation of Yahweh.Alright but I wished to ask youIs this image representative of God's perfect?
>>5395439551pbtid slide thread woooo
>>539552377Okay we can get into thisbut I will ask youIs this image representative of perfection?
>>539552225Why don’t you actually kill people? Because you value your life or theirs?What objective value does human life have? You’re a glorified insect waiting to be crushed under the boot of time.
>>539552552>much smarter and more accomplished than you?I dont give a shit about jewish peer review or appeal to authority.this is why I am superior.
>>539548621shutting off thought is not the same as explaining.
>>539552280>>539552377Hopefully us three>>539552280 Staunch Christian>>539552377 Not entirely sure of their position yetCan reach an understand of whetherThis image represents physical perfection
>>539552694>Why don’t you actually kill people?they do a good job doing this to themselves already.
>>539552127Intelligence is a very powerful double-edged sword and the downside of it is our awareness of our own mortality so we developed ways to cope with it. It's no surprise that today more and more succumb to nihilism as the copes wash away. Whether or not the copes are a sad necessity of our human condition the justification for their existence seems pretty straight forward.>>539552280No it doesn't. The BB is not a starting point of everything that is. The atheist can posit a material eternity before the BB. That doesn't mean this is "God". God means specifically a conscious creator being.
>>539543955moron
>>539552557I don't play your delusional games.>>539552575>>539552782Nature is indeed still beautiful, even in its corrupted state, I don't believe that fallen creation can perfectly represent its Creator however.When Creation is renewed and realigned with its Creator however, will God's world perfectly reflect His character and purposes, free from every trace of the curse.
>>539552741I'm not talking about appeal to authority. I'm asking how you can have contempt for someone who's clearly better than you. It's a question about your attitude, not your reasoning.
>>539552741Was their ever a record of atheist civilizations? Thought they all appealed to a higher authority/order/idea that created the cohesion necessary for keeping society stable.
>>539552782>>>539552280>>>539552377Right now>>539552280>>539552377Both agree with each otherWhich is very strangebecause one is highly religious and the other is highly atheistic? I think?And they are both saying creation is fundementally flawedSo I am asking themWhether these images I am postingRepresent Physical Perfection
>>539552883>I don't play your delusional gamesSo where did I lie again?
>>539552852Developing ways to cope with Death is highly inefficient is it not?
>>539552897>who's clearly better than youhow can they better if they believe retarded jewish bullshit?
>>539552935we could easily build a better society without retarded jewish ideas.
>>539552883>Nature is indeed still beautiful, even in its corrupted state, I don't believe that fallen creation can perfectly represent its Creator however.>When Creation is renewed and realigned with its Creator however, will God's world perfectly reflect His character and purposes, free from every trace of the curse.Do you think this image is one of the closest approximations we will get to God's perfect capacity of design?Could you please tell me is this image imperfect because it exists in matter?
>>539543955dna life nothing more than a carbon blockchain kept in sync due to reduced reward rate due to gravitational moves caused by the moon moving away 1 cm per year away from earth.
>>539553078What is the purpose of life?Do you think of life as an educational paradigm or do you view life as happening externally to you as something you observe?
>>539553078Now we're arrived at the defective reasoning.We could go through a list of the best and brightest of all time, then eliminate the ones who aren't Christian. Would you assert that you're better than all of them? What evidence of that could you give? (PRO TIP: begging the question at this step is evidence of defective intelligence)
>>539552852>The atheist can posit a material eternity before the BB.All the evidence suggests otherwise. Current cosmological evidence strongly supports that our observable universe has a finite age.>inb4 but what happened before the universe existed?Physical properties of the physical universe do not transcend the universe.>>539552939Creation is not fundamentally flawed. Creation was Good before Sin was introduced into creation through Adam, resulting in a fallen state. Evil is merely a corruption of what is Good, it cannot create.And so Creation is slowly being renewed, evil will be destroyed permanently.>>539553134>Could you please tell me is this image imperfect because it exists in matter?Matter will be renewed & perfected. Everything will be realigned with God in accordance to His Will.
>>539553266I wouldn't say defective. Is it not better to say corrupted?Einstein said imagination is more important than knowledge.You think somewhere in his thinking he was corrupted no?
>>539544058Religious zealotry abound
>>539553340Do you look upon this scene God created and find flaw within it?
>>539553005It's the price to pay for the intelligence that puts us on top of the food chain. It also serves a double purpose as a social cohesion mechanism if the whole tribe shares in such beliefs and becomes stronger as it incentivizes cooperation. Ideally it would be unnecessary but we live in the real world not the ideal one.
>>539553340>All the evidence suggests otherwiseYou're confusing your personal feelings with evidence
>>539553213>What is the purpose of life?to dissipate more energy and to build more complexity.
>>539553495Would it not be more efficient to maintain simplicity?
>>539553467I do not find flaw in it. It is a breathtaking view to me, I would be stunned in awe to behold the view in real life.But it amazes me to know that it will become much more beautiful when it is renewed & perfected by God. Even the way we perceive will be renewed & perfected by God.>>539553484>uhm ackshually, science is wrong unless it agrees with me!ok.
>>539544149That doesn’t explain anything. The cell still baffles you fucks. Take a Ferrari apart. Put into a box. Assuming no parts will break for duration, how long before it puts itself back together from radiation, shaking and temperature changes. Then gets up and builds another one of itself without help or knowing why. You atheist niggers are fucking retarded.
>>539553495>source: "my feelings bro, trust me!"Lol
>>539553611Thank you so much.So it is fair to say, this image which God Created in natureIs Flawless?
>>539553586no>>539553615it literally explains everything. read my other posts too.>>539553690source: its actual real empirical science
>>539553742I currently perceive it as flawless, but my perception was corrupted due to the Fall (and is slowly healing day by day). I do look forward to perfectly perceiving God's renewed Creation.
>>539553887>source: its actual real empirical scienceWhat is the source for it being "actual real empirical science" ? Your feelings lead you to believe that it's "actual real empirical science"? Lol
