Why are people pushing for Socialism when Socialism has never worked ever at any point in history?New Harmony Brook Farm Ceresco
>>539569904Because Zoomers are retarded with money and they think socialism will magically fix everything and turn life into a hogwarts dreamland when in reality they'll end up living in dirt with broken shit everywhere
>>539569904Because Capitalism is completely fucking over the average person right now, and since Capitalism has no interest in any kind of reforms that could make life better for the average person, the average person is increasingly looking to more revolutionary options.
>>539570364Socialism will not work. The only option is to invent something new.
>>539569904In the grand scheme of things nothing has ever "worked" so you'd be a complete and utter golem retard to not just advocate for whatever status quo gives you, personally, the most shit.
socialism works great for the rich - just look at all those taxpayer funded stadiums
>>539569904Why are you so retarded?
I don't want actual socialism, I just want higher taxes to collect revenue and direct it toward the common good. But every time I suggest that, I get called a socialist.
If socialism doesn't work why does the US Government move heaven and earth to sabotage it?
>>539569904Because they want social democracy as is empirically working pretty well but fox news has successfully turned socialism into a buzzword that now means "any time the government funds anything besides police/military/Israel".The actual policy platforms of the recent successful slate of DSA candidates isn't socialism under the textbook definition, they're just copying policies they see producing results elsewhere. None of them are actually seriously advocating for the abolition of private property and free markets.
socialism hasn't ever ocurred in history yetsocialist governing parties however are other thingand idk China looks like a pretty successful country, no homeless people, no fent epidemic, no niggers chimping out in the subway, food and rent are affordable>but le ebin great firewall muh censorship ooga booga weun do dat in muttmerica!who cares people bypass it all the time and censoring degenerate content (e.g. porn) or literal CIA agitprop sites is good
>>539569904ussr went from living in mud hovels and 0% literacy to 99% literacy and scaring the shit out of USA in 2 generations. thats pretty successful, nigger. if you were to compare it to all of the capitalist countries that tried capitalism and failed its probably a similar success rate.
>>539570508Capitalism worked before Wall St. hijacked the system.>>539570554You will never have UBI in the United States. Ever. And your UBI fantasy is not as good as you think it would be.>>539570620Higher taxes will just go into politicians pockets. Socialism will not fix that. Look at Cuba.
>>539570716If socialism works why isn't Cuba a paradise?
>>539570831Monarchism worked before JewsCheckmate
>>539569904Miggers will really make threads like this while disregarding every social democracy in Europe plus China
>>539570871I concede to that
>>539570364Correct.The "winners" of capitalism are so dead set against any kind of reforms that it leaves the average person with no real option but to consider more drastic solutions. The line always needing to go up is why the average worker is exploited and poor. In order for the line to go up the worker has to be exploited harder.All (((they))) had to do was chill the fuck out with LINE MUST ALWAYS GO UP
>>539570853Decades of US Government economic warfare.
>>539569904I can't afford a house, nigger. Will socialism give me one? Then I'm a socialist. I really can't see what you "people" don't understand about this.
>>539569904Very good question my friend. Why DO rightoids want Socialism so bad, when they champion the opposite?
people will ping-pong back and fourth between ideologies and revolutions ad infinitum never finding the respite they so desire because what they are looking for cannot be found in politics and ideology and systems, but only in the brotherly love taught by Christ
>>539570524Privatize gains, socialize losses.
>>539570831>higher taxes will just go to politicians pockets It's almost like our politicians have been corrupt for so long that even commonsense solutions seem impossible
>>539571101sheepfuck elsewhere, you braindead
>>539571026You don't own anything under Socialism. So, no, a socialist system will NOT give you a house or let you buy one to own. They will let you "borrow" a house.>>539571101Pretty based ngl....
>>539569904chinese people can buy a house and I can't.
>>539571256Yes and no political system will change that. The corruption runs so deep that any current political system will be abused.
Anti-socialism is the world's most powerful psyop, because the boogeyman of communism sits right behind it, yet nobody ever talks about monarchy sitting right behind republicanism - some even yearn for it.
>>539571321Then why is the national average of chinese under 40 living with their parents?
>>539571389multi generation households are just an asian thing
>>539571296>they will let you "borrow" a houseBut for most young people that is a huge improvement.Not to get too philosophical, but aren't we all just "borrowing" things while we are alive on earth? No matter what you own, you leave it all when you die.If the options are:1. Property rights exist BUT YOU NEVER OWN A PROPERTY 2. Property rights don't exist, but you get to borrow a house until you dieMost young people will clearly see option 2 as the better option.
>>539569904I'm broke and trillionaires exist. I think we can do socialism now.
>>539571449You don't get to borrow a house until you die. And home you live in will be a "community" home where ANYBODY gets to use it. Any time.And use all of your stuff too, because you own nothing.I don't think you're really envisioning this enough.
>>539570431National socialism works
>>539571560>anyone can just come in and use your house whenever That's not how socialism worked anywhere, ever, you retard.
>>539569904The reality is that any ideology is only as good as the people administering it. you can have socialism with shitty people and you can be sure it will end up looking just like an autocracy. you can have socialism with moral people and it will look better. samething with capitalism, commism, facism or any of the -isms. these thing are literally only as good as people make them out to be. If they had picked anyone other than Xi perhaps China wouldnt be so great now either. I dont know whats so hard to understand about this.
>>539569904.It's inorganic. No one actually supports socialism.
>>539571688Dude. That's exactly what a the socialist movement is about. Look up the phrase "Community of Equality" in the socialist doctrine.Look up the 'New Harmony Experiment' too to get a real world example of what such a commune looked like.
>>539571296It's fine to define socialism this way, but it needs to be accompanied by the acknowledgement that none of the 2025-26 DSA candidates or any first world countries are actually socialist, and OP is thus silly.
If socialism doesn't work we should cut taxes to zero and defund social security and medicaid/medicare immediately>NO, THE BOOMERS WORKED FOR THAT AIEEEAh so it's not socialism then, it's just about fucking over the young to pay the old.
>>539571919It's not that I believe socialism is an impending outcome, rather I'm wondering why the general populace of zoomers think Socialism would fix their living conditions.
>>539571960You don't have to cut taxes to zero. You just have to stop paying taxes. If all of you broccoli heads did that this country would completely change in a month - but you're too pussy to do that.
>>539571995>I'm wondering why the general populace of zoomers think Socialism would fix their living conditions.Refer to >>539570725
>>539569904I saw that fucking family feud nightmare video on a YT short the day before yesterday. Weird. Is this how people go schizo?
>>539572065NoStop promoting solutions that get people arrested, you fucking faggot.
OP bodied everyone ITT bet he has a huge cock
>>539572212The united states would be able to arrest 71 million zoomers if you all stopped paying taxes? With what funding, exactly? You cut it off. How could they arrest you?You literally have a "tea party" option at your finger tips but you're too cowardly to go for it.You could change the whole country in a year.
Capitalism starts making concessions when socialism threatens it, think like Otto von Bismark or FDR.
>>539571919Pretty sure most og the germanic countries in the eu are democratic socialist. I have heard germanys been called that on many occasions. And it wasnt nazi germany it was 90s and 2000s germany
>>539569904jews
>>539572065Too bad you cant negiotate on sales tax And thry eill take your home if you dont pay your property taxes after so many years 5-10 iirc
>>539571101jews evb and flow us for their desired result, is what you're saying
>>539572350BODIED THAT BROCCOLI HEADED NIGGER AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>>539572534>democratic socialistYes, as in not pure socialism, which is my point.
Social Security is 100% a Marxist policy, yet is it the most successful government program keeping two thirds of seniors out of poverty
>>539569904>when Socialism has never worked ever at any point in history?Come again?
