how do NAFOniggers cope with the fact that they sent 300k Ukrainians to their death just so that Ukraine could end up with even less territory than if it had simply surrendered in April 2022?
>>539608043>how do NAFOniggers cope with [made up information]?
Mariverse discord hiding behind memeflags in shame. /pol/ wins again. Fuck hohols. Fuck jeets. Fuck kikes. And fuck Ukraine in general. Corrupt fucking kike infested shithole.
>>539608203it's true thoughBritbongs claim 200,000 Ukie Soldiers KIA for the period of 24 Feb. 2022 – 19 Feb. 2026+ about 25,000 dead civiliansalso show flag (you) faggot
>>539608257jeets are #1 ally of Russian people thoughbeit
>>539608352So why is jewkraine and the eu allowing unlimited shitjeet immigration saars?
If Ukraine surrendered in 2022 it would have no land. Are you stupid?
>>539608390Now it has only imported shitjeets for men
>>539608436Remind me the name of the head of the FBI.
>>539608390Russia demanded Crimea + Donetsk and Luhanskhardly "all of ukraine"
>>539608533>hardly "all of ukraine"True, but 15% isn't something to scoff at.
>>539608043Don't be a bigot hans, the urine is transwinning
>>539608043that information is conveniently left outit was brewing even long before the 2022 warthey had one job to uphold respectful diplomatic relations and failed, they're now reaping the consequences, both sides
>>539608517literally every single retarded NAFOID talking point can have "russia, ziggers, putin" switched with "the ukraine, hohols, zelenskike" and it works BETTER.
>>539608639I mean yea, not denying thatbut looking back it really was the wrong callthey blew every opportunity they had been given because they unironically were full of cope>retake cherson - don't sue for peace because "we must retake crimea">fail to retake crimea, still won't sure for peace >invade kursk territory - instead of using it as a bargain chip watch as russia slowly retakes it >get thousands of soldiers encircled for political reasons because "no step back"
>>539608517Has zero to do with depopulation of jewkraine that you cant talk about so you attempt to hide it
Russia didnt demand territority initially, just neutrality, no nato on their doorstep, that was it, we meme'd ukraine into a war of attrition with the Russians. I expect Ukraine to hate us for it down the line, they will become turbo al-qaida but with missiles instead of toyotas and located nearby.
>>539608390the 2022 deal in istanbul was :ukraine no join natorussia go homeukraine would be fine now, we got them killed kek
>>539609187>Russia didnt demand territority initiallyI think they demanded Referenda?>I expect Ukraine to hate us for it down the lineI've already seen it happening but not because we pushed them into the war but because we aren't pushing them hard enough lol
>>539608043Ukraine isn't in NATO so why should we care about them?All I see is dead Slavs and the former USSR burning which is the whole point of NATO.
>>539608285Everything Britain says is a lie btw. But how much of a lie is it?Two years ago Ukraine had at minimum 1.3 million men who had already been in the military, or who had been recruited or drafted(and they never go home).At that time, Syrskyi said Ukraine's army was smaller than Russia's when Russia only had like 500k men. Ukraine should have at least 2 million men by now. Where are they?
>>539609386like prepare for a Dolchstoß-Myth 2.0 but with western white people as the "traitors" and the jews as the good guys
>>539608390>If Ukraine surrendered in 2022 it would have no land. Are you stupid?To be fair, had Ukraine agreed to neutrality and actually implemented the Minsk agreement, it would have everything. At most Russia might have kept Crimea.
>>539609187Nazi or commie? Either way you should be liquidated.
>>539609632probably WIAfor every KIA there are two to three people without legs, arms, eyes etc.
>>539609764what exact part of what he said is wrong?you are just seething because TV told you to
>>539609289The Istanbul deal was basically : disarm and let us fight proxy wars to referendum any part of your country when it pleases us.
>>539608043im not sure if you remember - but at first Russias appetite was much bigger than its now... Odessa and landing craft withdrawing from invasion positions? surely jus a jest... right?
>>539609759Putin wanted to referendum Kharkiv/etc during the original revolution, he was going to come back for them regardless. He wanted basically everything right of the Dnepr.
>>539609386Yes referenda for the eastern oblasts, but not about joining russia, or even independence. About more autonomy, which was already defacto the situation anyway. Eastern ukraine would still be ukraine. Giving more autonomy to a region to preserve peace is not new, many regions in russia itself have extraordinary autonomy to preserve peace, chechnya probably most. Europeans do it too, belgium has 2 regions seperate governments, different languages, with entirely different laws. I didnt think russias proposal in 2022 was unreasonable at all. Neither did ukraine because they were signing it in istanbul until we told them not to.Russias demand to annex eastern ukraine came later because the locals said>Russia, we are not with you if you are not here to stay, because the moment you leave ukraine will crush us, again.Look at videos from early in the war russian tanks were driving through and flying over the donbas and locals celebrated. The right to self determine always has my support, whether it is in eastern ukraine, or belgium, I support it for Catalonians too. If they dont want to be ukrainians why should they have to?
>>539608043NAFOtroons don't actually give a shit about Ukrainians. They don't hate Russians either, at least not in any genuine sense. They are just mentally ill freaks who latched onto the war as a performative identity.
>>539608043>than if it had simply surrendered in April 2022?They surrendered in 2014 and it only made the russians come back for more. What's the point in letting the enemy slice you up like a salami?
>>539610195>but at first Russias appetite was much bigger than its now.there was a time where Russia demanded oblasts + crimeanow they demand crimea + 4 oblastssomewhere inbetween those two moments would probably have been a good time to make peace
>>539610209>he was going to come back for themgoing to war because you believe something might happen isn't sensible. That small army russia initially entered ukraine with was obviously not enough to annex anything, it was barely enough to force negotiations. If russia got ukraine to stay neutral and give their donbas people some more autonomy I do not believe there would have been a war. What is the problem giving people autonomy for peace? The flemish and walloons fought, now we have autonomy and we share a country, its fine, ill bbq with walloons any day, I just did
>>539608043Ukraine might survive as a nation. Ukraine might join EU. Russia might be weakened. Russia might be bloodied and scale back imperialist wars in Europe. Ukraine might get back territory due to the enormous enmity from the war which wasn't a given as Russia was hoping Ukraine would see them as brothers (which isn't that far off as many Ukrainians live in Russia and vice versa).Overall I think EU / USA expected Ukraine to fall and were ready to support insurgency but Ukraine fought harder than expected and Russia was more incompetent so they kind of fell into supporting Ukraine more.War sucks though. In hindsight a lot of this should've been dealt with even before 2014. Libs who wanna sit back hope Russia is a good neighbor and not an imperialist nation getting its pants back-on and with a lot of demands. Supporting democracy and anti-corruption in a country Russia consider a close vassal was gonna provoke Russia sooner or later.
>>539610241there was lindsey graham and ursula von der leyen>haaaaaa more WARsuch psychopaths exist in russia too, and in ukraine. typically theres 0 chance theyd have to go, and they never have children
>>539610241NATO didn't start this war and NATO cannot end it.We just sit back, relax, and watch Slavs slaughter each other in horrible ways like they've done for thousands of years.
>>539610597> Supporting democracy and anti-corruptionweren't 2014 protests kinda exactly the opposite of that?
>>539610251>constant shelling on donbas>"they surrendered!"bruh
>>539609829There's definitely a lot of WIA, and also a lot of MIA/AWOL. It's unclear how big Ukraine's Army actually is. Syrskyi said it was much smaller than what Zelensky said it was. Also, Zelensky defacto claimed Ukraine's Army was bigger than Russia's(at least the actual Russian Army in Ukraine). If Ukraine's Army was as big as Zelensky says it is, they shouldn't be having a manpower crisis.My guess is that Ukraine's military is kind of like the Afghan military where the Afghan government claimed the Afghan military was like 2-3x bigger than it actually was to get more money. I'm sure overstating its size also had a secondary propaganda benefit.The point is, based on all the circumstantial evidence, as well as the overall gender-imbalances you see on Ukrainian streets(even after like six million Ukrainians, mostly women, left to Europe). Things have to be pretty fucking dire in Ukraine.
>>539608533Russia also demanded Denazification, which means full capitalization, colonization and replacement.One would expect you to know what Denazification means, but then one remembers you are the eternally buck broken rapebaby result of it.
>>539608043I'm hoping Ukraine starts targeting shill farms after they're finished with wildberries or whatever, that or all you little shits get sent to the front where you get greased by drones then eaten by dogs.
>>539608043Nobody sent Ukrainians nigger, they are defending their own country out of their own free will, unlike the orcs, that are invading against their will, to serve their master, monkey.Now, stop ruining the west and go back to your shit-hole country.
>>539610702Shut up nigger
>>539608285Thats 1/3 less of what you stated initially, you deceitful vermin. Regardless, it's unjust, but their sacrifice won't be for nothing. Military technology and warfare confitions in Eastern Europe will eventually give rise to the ubermensch.
>>539610840GDR was "denazified" too and yet there were virtually no noggs compared to West GermanyI think denazification would just have meant abolition of Azov and replacement of Zelenskybut ofc that's just alt-hist>>539610908post hands
>>539608043the goal was to exterminate ukrainians and replace them with niggers and pakis
>>539610961>Nobody sent Ukrainians nigger, they are defending their own country out of their own free will, unlike the orcs, that are invading against their will,holy projection90% of Ukie soldiers are drafteesmeanwhile Russian soldiers are volunteers (border regions like Kursk excluded, I think that were actualy conscripts serving their military service?)
>>539611029>Thats 1/3 less of what you stated initially, you deceitful vermin. you may not have noticed this yet but it's not February anymore NIGGER
>>539611045stfu zignog
> how do NAFOniggers cope with the fact that they sent 300k Ukrainians to their death just so that Ukraine could end up with even less territory than if it had simply surrendered in April 2022?What? Russia currently controls less Ukrainian territory than in April 2022. That was before the Kyiv retreat and the Kharkiv and Kherson counteroffensives.
>>539610209The reason Putin didn't annex the Donbas in 2014 is because Putin wanted to use the Donbas as leverage. It's the same reason Russia supported South Ossetians and Abkhazians.Russia's overarching geopolitical strategy is to neutralize the countries around it then use its vast resource wealth to create a sphere of influence through soft-power. Basically, Russia was trying to buy everyone off(especially the Germans). Same basic strategy the United States uses(most of the time).As explained by Arestovych, Russia didn't need to take Ukraine over because a neutral Ukraine is a pro-Russia Ukraine. Which is why Russia was perfectly happy to return everything to Ukraine in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1892532898382893242/video/1
>>539611178post hands
>>539611230see>>539609289>>539610454
>>539610961Yeah, one kidnapped conscript at a time.
>>539610717What exactly do you think they were shelling in the Dumbass
>>539608043probably taking a couple extra doses of estrogen or something
>>539611259Post yours you grubby little zigger.
>>539608043how do you cope that russia send all donbabwians into a meatgrinder?
Putin invaded. Putin sent armies of vatniks to their deaths. puccia is reduced to mingling with world dictatorships. daily bombings inside puccia.
>>539611300You are omitting the biggest issue with Russia's demands in Instanbul, the main reason why negotiations failed: severe limits to the size of Ukrainian army. If Ukraine agreed to that, Russia would just invade again after Ukraine disarmed itself and would have easily taken over the country.
>>539611045Denazification means exactly what it means in the west.Any political representation of nativism is banned. Colonization by foreigners is state policy.A denazified Ukraine would have the same fate as Belarus.Total replacement and ethnocide.
>>539611177>Immediately calling his oponent a NIGGER, he is giving off the vibe of a jew. Bold if you to assume they have lost ~75k of people over the course of 5 months, while they have lost 50k per year on average.
>>539608285>>539608043That was the pointThe leaders of europe want all white people to die
>>539611683I always find it hilarious listening to Eurocucks whining about Russian while speaking English.
>>539611626would they?also it's not like there wasn't ample of opportunity to make peace ever since but I guess it really comes down to the last ukrainian
>>539608043>300kLmao, no way it’s more than 5k
>>539611683>russian >belarussianwhat the fuck is the difference anyways?
>>539611963>no way more than 5000 Ukes have diedYou cannot seriously believe that. There would be no need for the countless vanning videos if that were true
>>539608043Easy, because hohols aren't actually NAFO. I sleep soundly.
>>539611864Europeans know how to speak more than one language.>>539611985You should say that, 45' rapebaby.
>>539611718>tranny mad someone uses the n wordyou need to go backalso 75k is a reasonable estimate since UA losses in 2022 were about 20-40k (KIA)the war didn't get any safer
>>539611947>would they?Definitely. Never trust a Russian. Russian territory ends only where Russian soldiers are killed.
>>539612172idkrussia already took a beating in february-april and even according to russian demands Ukraine would have been allowed an active army of about 90,000 soldiers + security guaranteesalso again: there was ample of opportunity to make peace ever since but people like Zelensky claim that they can't give up Crimea so the war must continue
>>539612116>Europeans know how to speak more than one language.And that's a good thing? Honestly, you should all just speak English and stop speaking that other bullshit. English is practically the national language in much of Northern Europe already. You sound like those Scots and Irish trying to bring back Gaelic. Why? So you can whine about Britain in a different language while still learning English anyway.
>>539612624>Imagine actually WANTING people to speak English, as a native English speakerIf i got to choose between Portuguese being a language only spoken by a minority of Portuguese natives vs what is now: A language mostly spoken by niggers in Africa and S.America would pick the former in a heartbeat.It's better to just go out than be usurped by nogs
>>539608043Is a million dead vatniggers worth the 200km or so worth of minefields that is now worthless.
>>539612624Me think we all finnt lern ebonicsIt's da future
>>539608043Commies are academics jealous of aristocrats. Read 'always with honour'. They use criminals and poors to kill their way into power. Everything else is just fluff.
>>539608043I don't. Jews killed a bunch of Ukrainians and took their land. Again.
