This is an absurd anti-philosophy that sociopathic midwits think is profound. Might is might and right is right. You may need might to enforce your vision of what is right but this does not equate the two. You know what else you'll need to enforce truth? Oxygen. Does Oxygen "make right"? Technically, in an extremely abstract sense, it does but nobody would mistake "Oxygen makes right" for some profound axiom, true as it may be. Furthermore "right" is presumably a statement of truth. Equating truth with the ability to project force is a fundamental rejection of the very nature of understanding or the existence of ethics. If a shark kills a mathematician, is the shark now smarter and more in tune with truth than they were? It's moronic.
Morality is determined by the collective needs of society and they are context dependent. Morals are determined by what is considered beneficial for a society to be harmonious, productive, and makes it capable of perpetuating itself. If a society is built on faulty foundations it produces faulty morals, faulty morals are morals that do not aid the aforementioned tasks. Morality is ultimately instrumental. Slavery was once morally good or at least morally neutral because it was necessary for society to function, once slaves were no longer needed it ceased being moral. This is not an inconsistency, its moral usefulness was expended and no longer served the interests of society.
>>539657863Na, slavery was always a welfare project for the elite. It was never "needed", in fact it stifles progress in all but the most immediate sense
>>539657790The worst moral relativists are Yahweh worshippers. According to them, any act whatsoever is moral as long as Yahweh does it, even if Yahweh changes his mind and does a 180 tomorrow then that is also moral. Everything is relative to whatever Yahweh does or says at the moment.
>>539658324Terrifyingly based. Didn't want to go there to derail the thread but you are correct
>>539657790Anyone who unironically espouses 'might makes right' as an ideology and means it needs to be killed immediately, without warning and without mercy. Its just self defense at that point. They have outright told you, in their own words, that the only reason they haven't attacked you already is because they are not confident that they could get away with doing so. The moment that the math on that changes they will attack, violate, steal, destroy. Inflicting themselves on whoever is vulnerable and within reach. And they won't just do it to you, they will do it to anyone around them. They will create as many victims as they are allowed to. Even if you go to jail for killing them, you have served a public good and created a net benefit for your society by preventing them from killing far more people out of malice than the single life you took to remove the threat.
>>539657790Let me tell ypu something elseHomosexuality is evil. Any homosexual act is EVIL.
>>539657790The only alternative to moral relativism is believing that objective morality comes from Jews.
>>539658912..... or a multi disciplinary analysis of what decisions can reduce human suffering? It could be tried at least. >>539658769Amen>>539658855It's anti social and needs to be marginalized for sure.
>>539658769It will never be not funny. The only way to the ((Might makes Right)) guy, is to beat him for it, thus, only proving him right.
It's the bell curve meme. Might makes right because your morals are meaningless if you lose. Also, whites are the most moral race and they're the strongest race on earth. All the evidence suggests that might does indeed make right. In fact, the reason for all our problems is that we're not using our might to genocide all non whites!
Might makes right isn't relativism. Might IS the moral.
Right makes mightYou need to be right to build a b2 spirit and when you do build one you are might
Let's think about Iran and their nuclear weapons goalWhy they don't make it? Becuase they aren't right.
>>539659331>>539659373If you want to talk pure tactics, you can't convince people to ever join your side if you're losing to an outside tribalist group if your ethos is "might makes right" because by your own morals you deserve it. The jews who are beating you and win all the time don't actually belive might makes right because they didn't conclude that they deserved the holocaust (not that it's real but that's another issue).
>>539659577Nuke is fake and gay. It's all bluff.
>>539658324They're just might makes righters also. God is the Mightest and therefore the Rightest
>>539659480That B2 bomber belongs to jews and jews clearly do not belive "might makes right", otherwise they'd never cry about the holohoax. Jews believe the Torah (not might) is right and they win. They have a nucleus of collectivism in their ethics
>>539658769Ops post, while grounded in the right idea, wasnt the best, but this is better. Better fabric of argument, better focus on the urgency of trust foundations as a primary basis for role establishment within any organization, be it a small squad, a community, or a society.
>>539659652You misunderstand. The Jews didn't lose so that doesn't contradict them believing that might makes right.
>>539659840According to the story, 6 million jews lost. And yet they cry for them and expect goyim to cry for them too. This is mutually exclusive with might making right.
>>539659277Its like the intolerance paradox. If your goal is to have freedom of speech and ideas in an open forum, the one position you cannot tolerate is that of open intolerance of other ideas, because if you allow that to flourish they will seek to destroy the open forum you wish to preserve and destroy every position other than their own.Likewise, if you want peace you cannot have it by a method of pure pacifism. That just means that the first time that someone DOES choose violence, you leave yourself with no way to stop them from taking over. You always have to, at some point, be willing to use a little bit of violence to prevent greater violence by punishing or removing bad faith actors.
>>539659910No because they're crying is purely cynical. Crying for the sake of power does absolutely not contradict might makes right.
There's no paradox of intolerance.What happens is that one democratic body is convinced by abrahamism fake ideology because of le good and le evil(spooks) and le freedom and le choice to TOLERATE *THE INTOLERABLE*.(homosexuality and worse)Then homossexuals who do the intolerable and say they are women create the paradox becuase of genesis in the INTOLERABLE that they engage they begin saying it's a paradox but they are the paradox and want to fuck children and create this thing that those who tolerated the INTOLERABLE because of the paradoxical abrahmic faith somehow have to be removed as if it is virtue and a moral tenet
>>539660108>we are the master race>also>we are about to go extinct
>>539660355Unironically
>>539660108The crying being cynical is irrelevant. The point is that kikes believe THEY are right, not that might is right. Any true believer of might making right by definition cannot mourn those killed by stronger people, cynically or otherwise, it's a direct contradiction.
>if the goal is freedom If there is good and evil and at a stage of a society they don't know good and evil yet and let everyone "be free"Then this makes a lot of evil things flourish in societyAnd then those who now know good become labeled with being intolerant because in the head of the supposedly tolerant(tolerant to what? To evil) those who don't tolerate the INTOLERABLE are actually evil??? As if there is a paradox There isn't a paradox.It's just oligarchic factions having too much power
>>539660386Not true. Might makes right just means the means justify the ends. That's it. As long as the group survives it's fine to mourn the dead.
>>539657790If you're going to strawman, at least build it out of a correct understanding of the 3 word phrase you rail against. Might makes right doesn't mean 'Might equates to right'. Don't post again until you've had at least 5 more years of education.
>>539657790Nature not only disagrees with your intellectual take on this, it assaults it, butt rapes it, rubs it's face in the mud and walks away not caring enough to even laugh at it. Because might makes right.
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>>539660603You grew up watching discovery channel and that other one that degenerated to aliens Tou also grew up with prominent figures of your society teaching you science(black magic) and telling you that the behavior of monkeys, rats, beagles and more tell something about your divine origin
>>539660513>Might makes right just means the means justify the ends. Wrong. "Ends justify the means" implies that you are able to determine what "ends" are or are not worth justifying and pursuing, implying a moral code more complex than simply siding with any and all power. A true "might makes right" believer should never have to say "the ends justify the means" because they SHOULD just be changing teams the moment favor shifts.
>>539659157>or a multi disciplinary analysis of what decisions can reduce human suffering? It could be tried at least.This is literally Sam Harris tier bullshit. Like I said the only alternative to moral relativism is that objective morality comes from Jews.
>>539660603>>539660624Look, just say "I'm a mercenary". Does it not feel as righteous to frame it that way?
>>539657790"Might makes right" just means force trumps truth (although truth never dies).
>>539660523Yes it does. Everyone else but you is granting me that.
>>539660834> Like I said the only alternative to moral relativism is that objective morality comes from Jews.That doesn't follow logically. Why can't an objective morality come from a non-jewish source? Other cultures exist, what makes you think they are incapable of it?
>>539661016Because everyone has different opinions about what is moral. The only way around the problem is to invent to group of magic people who are chosen by God, and whose opinions are therefore "objective". Objective morality is an inherently Jewish concept.
>>539661016All answer to "why can't I...?", can be answer with>because you are weak
There's no paradox because evil is inherently intolerant (to good)Then when a society tolerates the INTOLERABLE Evil people in narcissistic projection call those they don't like(good people) what they themselves are "intolerant". And the paradox is only inside their head because that's what doing the intolerable does to a human being, they become a contradiction, a paradox.Why society and human nature would be this paradoxical thing? It isn't. And it would be ugly and unlike to be from god.
>>539660603Also you're wrong about biology too. Cooperation is more evolutionarily fit in many adverse environments. In nature, traitors looking to side with power very often are killed and exit the gene pool
>>539660774I refer you back >>539659331"Morals are meaningless if you lose." That is the high IQ interpretation of Might Makes Right. "Lose" here means total defeat. Not a lost war, not a million dead, racial annihilation.
>>539661367You have it backwards. Good is intolerant and exclusive, evil doesn't care. A small amount of evil taints good, no amount of good diminishes evil. A man can be pious, charitable, kind and merciful for his entire life, but he raped and murdered a woman and buried her body in the woods one time. Aside from that one single weekend, he has been a good man for his whole life. That man is still a murderer, his other acts of good do not change this fact.Meanwhile, a vile bastard who trades in human lives like they are cattle can still genuinely love his family or perform acts of kindness for others, but these good acts don't change the fact that he does evil on a daily basis. The good here is inconsequential compared to his bastard behavior. From this we can conclude that 'good' as a category is a box of approved of actions and behaviors, and evil is everything outside of the box. You are either *completely* in the box, or you are not. Because good is by its nature exclusive and intolerant of all other options.
>>539661635If someone is under the impression that you only think your beliefs have merit provided that you "win" (to whatever degree you care to chose), you will never win people over because you plant the seed justifying your own hypothetical defeat in your rhetoric.
>>539661965Choose*
>>539661897What's wrong with killing and raping your enemy?
>>539657790defeat, weakness, stupidity, evil characterall are redeemed by committing seppuku
>>539661897You have mind rot.>A man can be pious, charitable, kind and merciful for his entire life, but he raped and murdered a woman and buried her body in the woods one time. Aside from that one single weekend, he has been aThis is impossible. You have examples of performatic good behavior which happens a lot in your society and appears in media like the movie of the good guy who was performatic his entire life and these stupid hypotheticals from le philosophical discussion in your democracy from high school to university life. You are acting like a LLM here, you trained on this data.You take out of your ass a completely made up hypothetical like this rape example to argue like it means something in reality and to the nature of good people so you can create a rhetoric gotcha with a logic contradiction and jerk off all the epic paradox you want to leave your debate friend with his head spinning and like you said something meaningful. I am not going to be tolerant to your INTOLERABLE behavior here drug addict. 1 out of 2 American adults have tried drugs in their lives and your country is the biggest market for cocaine ON EARTH. Have you ever done drugs in your life? You have Jennifer White cocaine neurons and you are a Pablo Escobar ecosystem soldier and due process troll, arguing like this and being dishonest and confusing is like saying good morning to you and what the drugs did to you. Good is something else and superior and it is so serious business that the day good stop being oppressed you will be crying in CNN about how the king is a tyrant and it's the end of the world. Like in el Salvador.We conclude nothing from your text because you doing the same as showing me Peter Parker movie scene and his super powers and telling me how he is an example of courage or something else.You are like a LLM saying things and if it corresponds to the real world it is coincidental.
>>539657790Might makes right is an unimpeachable foundation for ethics. If you don't have the might to do wrong or impose yourself, there is nothing ethical about any right you may do, as you didn't actually have an alternative.It is an incomplete approach to ethics. But it is entirely true and any approach trying to skip ot is also incomplete. All truths must rest on primordial truth.
>>539657790I agree that many /pol/ posters are retarded and hold edgy viewpoints, but there's an unironically deep side to this. I don't know if this is why they say it, as I havent seen the comments you're referring to, but this is how I think it may be deep.Different people have different views on what is moral, so at the end of the day, in practice, the viewpoint that is applied to society and people live by in practice, is the one that is established, which could very well be due to force.If I wholeheartedly believe that homosexual men should be killed on sight because otherwise homosexuality spreads and ruins society as a whole, and everyone else believes that they shouldn't be because they're still human being with feelings (could also be the other way around, as I am talking about a hypothetical scenario, not a particular place or time in history), those are two equal opposing viewpoints.NPCs believe that the established viewpoint is inherently right and the dissenting viewpoint is "weird", but that is not logically accurate. It's actually two equal opposing viewpoints that are both perfectly reasonable and well intended according to their own logic and reasons. And at the end of the day, the one that is established, actually applied, seen as acceptable and familiar, and people get used to and see it as "the way things are", is up to chance, the one that happens to be established, which is often a matter of having the power to impose it. This is a fact.Might does not literally make right, you're right about that and proved it with very good logic reasoning. So you're still right. What I am saying is there's unironically some merit to what those people say.
>>539662861this is fucking retarded, i could be powerless but believe that murder is ok, and i'd still be a bad person
>>539661965Defeat can occur absent philisophical justification. Which is the lesson in might makes right.
>>539662861ethics have energy, not all of them are dead forms or some scribbles on a paper
>>539663142I'll admit that's true but it doesn't intersect with the point. I was pointing out that the powerless doing right action are untested and so their ethics functionally don't exist. If we can confirm a weak party is unethical, then they are. But basically only those strong enough to DO something (not think) are functionally moral entities. Although I might argue that being wltoo weak to do anything about anything is itself a moral or ethical failing. In fact it must be.
>>539663338That's precisely what I'm pointing out. The ethics are out in the world being lived. And that requires might.
>>539662861So you're saying poor weak people can't do good?>>539663253I don't think I implied that it couldn't?>>539663109Discerning morality is tricky indeed but defaulting to ascribing some sort of retroactive justification to the morals produced by nothing but might is just cope. We used to try to do this same thing with science. If the state kills you for saying the earth is a ball revolving around the sun, is it true? Again, in really abstract way, sure, truth is only what you have the ability to say. But I think we all figured out this wasn't the way to do things. At least for science. Now we must do the same for morality
>>539663639Cars require gasoline but gasoline doesn't make cars.
>>539663518Whether people can tell is something else, because then according to your logic, someone who can do evil is also not unethical until he gets caught.
>>539657790Cool now get back to digging your grave buddy we don't have all day.
>>539657790Actually, yes. If your moral framework inhibits your effective intake of oxygen, it is wrong. Oxygen does in fact make right. For example, if your morals told you to give to the needy, but you lived not on earth, but in a series of space colonies in which oxygen was scarce and valuable, you might cause the death of your entire colony by giving oxygen to needy spacefarers. This would thus demonstrate the bankruptcy of your moral framework. So yeah, oxygen makes right.
>>539664062Ok so if oxygen makes right then atoms make right and atoms make everything so essentially "might makes right" boils down to "everything is everything" which, while true, is a statement utterly devoid of meaning thus making MMR nothing but b8 to begin with. Next week, I'll similarly break down FAFO
>>539663639>The ethics are out in the world being lived.No, they're void here. Here we have frantic swinging in the dark (which is also a force kinda) and you're confusing it with willpower and momentum. On the other hand there are correct forms that barely even apply any force.
>>539664468correctboth mmr and fafo are propaganda for retards
>>539664035I only RP with women
A person who IS GOODRaped.Can you believe how the intolerant think and see things?A GOOD PERSON ISThey dishonesty bring a person with a lifetime history of performing GOOD and being performatic who had an accidental sexual emergency and did the complete anti nature of a good person who cries when insects dies as if this person had a sexual emergency so strong then also did a murder to hide it.This is your brain ON AMERICA
You can just nignore the stupid arguments around the original, which shrimply states that the one who can and will use violence to win tends to win, with win -> Winner sets the rules of current time and place competition was in.Not a philosophy Pop-NEETcheans are not really worth the time
>You have it backwards >>539661897I have it backwards! I have it upside down! And the conclusion that the paradox of intolerance stands and America keeps oppressing good people in the name of le freedom and le market of ideas.
>>539659931Its not a paradox, you just agree with the philosophy while pretending not to to get moral brownie points Faggot
>>539659331this was posted by a fat worthless retard btw
>>539664843"She voted for it" coming soon as well
right makes mightoptimizing with the laws of the universe is like harnessing the wind
>>539657790>>539658769>>539659652"Might makes right" is literally God's principle, its the principle of nature.Might makes right because power determines morals. If White people go extinct from a more amoral enemy, then you just got outcompeted.
>>539657790>Equating truth with the ability to project force is a fundamental rejection of the very nature of understanding or the existence of ethics.What a word salad.So what happens when an engineer with all the knowlage about the truth of the nature designs and creats a harpoon and kills the shark by striking it directly at the heart. Truth is might in sence that it is a one of the force multiplayers among others like for example my favorit the element of suprise.You can look at it like this If a fist is might the truth is one of the many fingers of power of that fist. Optimaly shaped fist results in high amount of might. Also truth in context of right also results in power in a way that generally people have a sence of right and wrong with in them that can also be warped and decived. Society with a unified understanding of right and wrong that is closly aligned with the nature of reality will result a mighty society. Do "right" in this society by it standarts and it will be behind your back.
>>539667002The jews outcompeting whites don't believe "might makes right", they believe that THEY make right.
>>539668003Truth isn't always power. There was a time when heliocentrism was very bad for one's health despite it being true and right. There is no intrinsic link, might and right are different things. Cars need gas but cars are not gas nor are they made with gas
>>539657790>You know what else you'll need to enforce truth? Oxygen. Does Oxygen "make right"?>call other people midwitlmao
>>539668169A wheel isnt a car. An engine isnt a car. Every nut and bolt isnt a car. But all together they are a car.
>>539668169The fact that heliocentrists got killed doesnt change anything i said. Truth isnt end all and be all of might. There are many more factors at play. Yes hey were right in the truth of the reality but they were wrong in the eyes of society so the society wasnt behind their backs.
>>539657863Why does it need to be collective? To a moral relativist that is irrelevant. >>539658324>make god a schizo>yahwehHow's the weather in tel aviv? >>539660869this
>>539668470Ok so you would agree that in that instance might was wrong
>>539658019That is the modern times understanding of slavery. And that is why it isnt practised relativwly as often now.Back in the day when you were conqured and all of your social support is gone. It is basically a death sentence. So you have to integrate in the socity of the conquror. But naturally that society doesnt trust you so you can only survive as a slave in this society. If you are lucky that society feels pressure from other societies and thus it would benefit if you succesfully integrate and and be more reliable and productive than just being a slave. Resulting in some kind of upwards social mobility for slaves. Slavery or death were the two compeating moral choises at the time.
>>539668248Well? Does it?
>>539668839No might isnt the be all and end all of truth but at the end of the day it is what remains victorias."There is no justice up on the earth: only the fist has streinght"
>>539669410Well once again, the people who run the world don't believe this. They believe they make right.
>>539669473How do you know what thease "they" believe?
>>539657790>pounds your face into the pavement>you're a 100lb soaking wet faggot and take it as suchMight makes right and you will accept it because you're a weak faggot. Good luck arguing against that
>>539657790>if we keep talking to them then they might stop hurting us at lastnigga...
>>539669572They're kikes. They have holy books you can read. They're very explicit
>>539669765>>539670079Killing all those heilocentrists didn't make the sun revolve around the earth
>>539672264Helio*
