I just can't wrap my head around why Russia continues this pointless war in Ukraine that costs them more than the land they own. They already own 20% of Ukraine, and Ukraine would accept any reasonable peace deal. All I can think of is that this has to be some ego or superiority thing. They just can't accept that they can't defeat their little brother.
>>539660524>Russia didn't collapseSaving face status?
>>539660723It's true, their lives are only 30% more miserable, well within Russian tolerance levels. May as well throw another 100,000 lives on the fire.
The gays are using ukraine as a platadarm to attack russia
>>539660864But sanctions failed,. Russia stands, terrorism and pirating is a desperate show of display.
Russian leadership probably experiences this war as existential because all of them will be gone if they lose/withdraw.
>>539660524I'm not a shill, but let me tell you what I think will happen to Russia in the best-case scenario:Russia will get the territories it calls Novorossiya.Russian taxpayers will foot the bill for reconstruction; it will be a slow process, and the people there will become dissatisfied. After a few years, there will be another Maidan, and they'll rejoin Ukraine.
>>539660524Same could honestly be said about the opposite side, especially considering this is not even a genocidal warwhat is the worst that happens if Ukraine surrenders? they become another puppet state? that is honestly far better than being sent to the meat grinder because the EU and the US want it to somewhat weaken Russia.
>>539661004>and they'll rejoin UkraineThere will not be a ""Ukraine"".
>>539661040>what is the worst that happens if Ukraine surrenders?Russia invades again in another 10 years. Russia obviously isn't going to stop its military expansion.
>>539660524Because if Putin admits defeat and withdraws he will be coup'd. If he loses on the battlefield he will be coup'd. His only option is to continue the war until he dies. He was clearly banking on Trump bullying Zelensky into a settlement but it didn't work.
>>539660524>that costs them more than the land they ownassuming it was about a land to begin with >Ukraine would accept any reasonable peace deal.kek sure. The reasonable being a 91' borders and reparations for them, NATO/EU and other gibsmedat>All I can think of is that this has to be some ego or superiority thingpartially yes. Soviet glory and all that crap,>They just can't accept that they can't defeat their little brother.Ending the war on the status-quo is a defeat tho. I cant wrap my head around people completely missing the point of the war in the first place
>>539661162fine, lets say this is a complete surrender with Ukraine being incorporated into Russia proper, Ukrainians have been part of Russia for hundreds of years anyway so what changes?
>>539660864>May as well throw another 100,000 lives on the fire.That's like what, 3 or 4 months worth ? Doubt Russia will be any closer to "winning" by then...
>>539660524Maybe you should worry about what's going on in your own pedophile oligarch ruled murderous browns filled drug addicted population shithole of a country first retarded muttanon.
>>539661040so you would be okay with niggers from the sout to take over your country?
>>539660524Sunken cost fallacy
>>539661162>Russia obviously isn't going to stop its military expansion.That's why they need to be balkanized; we've had more than a hundred years of Russian bullshit, everybody could use a break.
>>539661448are you ok with that? also checked
>>539661448not remotely similar tbqh, Russia and Ukraine are the same people, have shared history, and are not genocidal towards each other, a better example would be Germany taking over Austria, should the Austrians really fight to the death over it? in the grand scheme of things nothing will change, why risk your life over such a pointless war
>>539660990>But sanctions failed,. Russia standsSanctions were never about causing Russia to become a "failed State". They were about inflicting misery on the Russian people until they begged Putin to "cut it out".The West under-estimated the amount of suffering the Russian people have eaten up for centuries, or how little chance they have against their "popular" (((elected))) tyrant.
>>539660524Putin is brain-broken by Jewish propaganda about the holohoax, like many Soviet boomers are. He's obsessed with "Nazis" and doesn't care at all about the millions of Russians Jews murdered under Bolshevism. He's going to continue the war until he dies.
>>539660524>Ukraine would accept any reasonable peace dealThe problem with this is for Ukraine, reasonable means going back to pre-2014 borders. Putin doesn't want to sue for peace unless theres some kind of win to take. He just threw away the last 35 years of post soviet military advancement and russian inroads into the EU economy, for two bombed out shitholes with no working age males left alive and a highway connection to Crimea.
>>539661578Russia has shown itself to be extremely bloodthirsty towards Ukraine. They kicked off their invasion by shooting at civilian cars along the road. Then as soon as things didn't go their way they began terror bombing
>>539661248Ukrainians in territory captured by Russia are being treated like total shit. Forced Russification, torture, rape, property seized and stolen, families seperated and children trafficked to Russia. This is well documented by human rights groups but no doubt you'll say it's "nafo propaganda", so I suppose Ukrainians must be fighting for no reason at all.
>>539661584>They were about inflicting misery on the Russian people until they begged Putin to "cut it out"this is the most retarded post itt so far. Most sanctions are not targeted towards civilians cretin.
>>539660524You are demented.
>>539661584Are you telling me that the shitlib world order has shat the bed?
>>539661578>Russia and Ukraine are the same peopledo ziggers really believe this lmao
>>539661764And you're shit eating Russian shill.Kys.
>>539660524Russians are scum
>>539661004They are filling these places with new Russians from Russia to guarantee nothing like that happens. >>539661162Yeah well any peace treaty needs a real security guarantee or it’s basically worthless. International UN Peacekeeper troops on the new border or something like that. Something Putin won’t want to accept.
>>539660864As long as there is alcohol, russians will tolerate anything.
>>539661578Exactly because they are so similar, russians shouldnt have started a war in the first place
>>539661868I have no idea what the z shit means nor do I keep up with this conflict, but how is that statement false? Ukrainians have been part of Russia since the creation of Russia, they are the actual birthplace of the first Russian state, they have far more in common between one another than you do with Europe at this point
>>539661004in the future, any non-kiked regime will take a page from the iranian playbook and just kill every and any protestor who pops up at any point in time
>>539661868>Xe thinks hohols and Ukrainians are the same people Are you off of your SSRIs again?
>>539661829I'm telling you the Russian in the Street eats grey misery 3 times a day, washed down with vodka, so trying to make their lives WORSE is pointless. It's like trying to drown a fish.Trying to inflict financial stress on the roomful of oligarchs who effectively own everything in Russia is equally pointless, they will always sell enough oil to live opulent.
>>539660524BECAUSE IF THEY STOP, PUTIN DIES AND RUSSIA COLLAPSESEASYTHEY SET FUCKING POLAND AS THEIR DE FACTO VICTORY CONDITION, NIGGER.
>>539661762You are retarded.
>>539660524If for victory NATO needed to start burning warehouses with underwear, so why didn't you do it from day one? Didn't you want to win?
>>539662452Keep telling yourself that
>>539660524Putin doesn’t think like you anon, he wants to stay in power and the war allows that.
>>539660524Thats because you're a dumbass that has no idea why the war even started in the first place.Ofc you will keep being baffled about why it keeps going
>>539662567What, you think they will actually buckle under extra-added misery?Doubt.jpgIf Putin expired tomorrow some other ruthless goon would quickly apply another comforting boot on their necks before they got cold.
>>539660524>and Ukraine would accept any reasonable peace deal.No they won't. zelenskys demands for peace is that of a retarded 12yo redditor.
>>539661153Its up to eu. That is something you have to deal with
>>539662646I think Putin is too soft, actually and a Stalin like figure would be a Godsend
>>539662209>Ukrainians have been part of Russia since the creation of Russiarussia was created in 1547, ukraine became subject of russia in 1772 as a result of second partition of plc
>>539660524>Monke loses>Monke is defenestratedIt is all that simple. Russia do not make any decision, Putin is and his life depends on keeping control.Total Pidor Death is small price to pay for life of Tzar.
>>539662209>I have no idea what the z shit means nor do I keep up with this conflictObviously not, because otherwise you'd know Ukranians aren't Russian. The Ukrainian people don't consider themselves part of Russia, nor do Russians consider Ukranians part of Russia except when they need to save face about how badly the war is going. The official cause of the invasion is a (probably false) claim that the country of Ukraine was discriminating against ethnic Russians. In addition to what >>539661730 has said it should be really obvious why Ukranians would never want to be part of Russia.
>>539662209>they are the actual birthplace of the first Russian statesuzdal is the birthplace of the first russian state - muscovy
>>539660524Russians just don't care man. They literally don't care about anything as long as it doesn't directly affect them
Putin got Crimea and half of Donbas for basically free. This is nothing but vanity, greed and damage control.
>>539661762In that case, are individuals that are personally most affected by the sanctions pressuring Putin to rethink the military objectives ? Or are sanctions actually making them even more determined about the war? Is this war for the elites really a to be or not to be type of situation, not for the country or Russians, but for their own wealth and influence?>>539662552Because now Ukraine has (domestic) capabilities to conduct long range attacks inside the Russian territory? Situation on the front seems to be as stagnant as ever?
>>539660524>I just can't wrap my head around why Russia continues this pointless war in Ukraine that costs them more than the land they own.The cost of stopping is higher than the cost if continuing, and that's not sunken cost fallacy.Putin's russia is over if they give up, Russian influence will remain or will increase if they win.
>>539662989Kike propaganda invented in.the 90s along with the Holodomor hoax
>>539663420>Putin's russia is over if they give upwhy?what's going to happen to it?>The cost of stopping is higher than the cost if continuing, and that's not sunken cost fallacy.close but no cigar - cost of continuing is close to none because zigger lives are worthless and that's the main reason why all the appeals to russian humanity are pointless
Putin is working for Zelensky to genocide ethnic Russians in Ukraine, which is why he immediately demanded the withdrawal from Kiev and realized he might end up killing Ukrainians. There's still 2 million Russians in Eastern Ukraine, down from 12 million, Putin will withdraw after they're all dead.
>>539663096That's why Americans and Russians hate each other. We're nearly the same. The only Russians and Americans that speak another language are not of "old stock". Most Russians and Americans have never left Russia/America. I can go on and on. America and Russia are huge countries, vast resources (owned by select elites that call the shots), military paper tigers that are only as strong as their nuclear bombs. I could go on and on...
>>539663741Putin will appear weak.Allies will abandon Russia, the west will use suberfuge to instill rebellion. There will be internal power struggles that might lead to civil war.The west is very open about wantig to balkanize Russia.
>>539661730Seeing limeys talk like this about Russia and believing it is like listening to Nazi Germany about Russia and believing it. I mean sure you can believe it if you want, but what else do you expect from the source? Limeys hate Russians. That's where this wacky brained shit comes from.
>>539660524They think they are a superpower if they don't finish of Ukraine not even russians will believe it.
>>539663971Grow up, anon
>>539663938>Putin will appear weak.he's a hundred years old midget, he's not going to appear any weaker>Allies will abandon Russiait's got literally no allies already>the west will use suberfuge to instill rebellionfor what purpose?>There will be internal power struggles that might lead to civil war.it's a literal mafia state, they are know for pushing one another out of windows - a little power struggle is the norm for them>The west is very open about wantig to balkanize Russia.[(western) sources needed]what purpose would that even serve? it's far easier to deal with one horde than a dozen small ones
>>539664183You have to convince Putin of the correctness of your arguments, not me.
>>539662028>They are filling these places with new Russians from Russia to guarantee nothing like that happens.Russia doesn't have the demographics to send colonists to new territories, nor money to rebuild the territories. Crimea was easy because it's a small island they only needed to send around 800k people into, and it was bloodlessly captured so there was no destruction, the captured territories are the size of Belgium, and had a pre liberation population of 12 million. I agree there won't be another maiden though, because there's only like 2 million people left there who are all boomers.
>>539660524sunk cost fallacy. i don't get it either. someone needs to just tell him to stop.
>>539663704kill yourself zigger
>>539663883Yeah bro, only difference is your quality of life is 100x better, maybe even 1000x
>>539660524Who benefits from the war?
>>539664534Not an arguement faggot shill>https://thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/george-soros-s-giant-globalist-footprint-in-ukraine-s-turmoil/>Over the period from 1990 to 2010 the International Renaissance Foundation provided more than $100 million in support to numerous Ukrainian non-government organizations (NGOs), community groups, academic and cultural institutions, publishing houses, etc. >The IRF website and annual reports make clear that the Soros funds are targeted at promoting Ukrainian “partnership” with, and “integration” into, the EU. Soros has provided many millions more through his other “philanthropic” spigots. However, Soros’ influence in Ukraine extends far beyond the traceable funding he provides to activist Ukrainian NGOs, academics and think tanks. Equally, if not more, important is the influence he exerts on global opinion through his massive propaganda network (including Project Syndicate and other Soros megaphones) and his direct personal contacts with presidents, prime ministers, parliamentarians, central bankers, media executives, and Wall Street titans. >In a February 26 column he penned for Project Syndicate that was carried by hundreds of newspapers and websites, Soros argued that the EU and the IMF must initiate a new Marshall Plan for Ukraine, meaning, of course, transfers of money from EU and U.S. taxpayers to the politicians, organizations, and institutions approved by the globalist/socialist/corporatist operatives running the EU and IMF. Perhaps the key point in Soros’ essay, entitled, “Sustaining Ukraine’s Breakthrough,” is this: “Ukraine will need outside assistance that only the EU can provide: management expertise.”
>>539664183Best Korea could slaughter the entire Polish army in a month, fuck all you women, and steal all your cabbages without breaking a sweat.
>>539665045they could also grow your foreskin back
>>539660524I think its more about that russia now is a full blown war economy and that they are basically forced to continue that way for anything to actually work. It is extremely easy to go from a normal economy to a war economy, but it is hard as fuck going from a war economy to a normal economy again. If Russia suddenly were to make peace and go back "to normal", that country will collapse no matter what. Everyting now is circulating around war. People who had normal jobs are now either dead or in the military. Those places they owned or worked at is now gone because of that. And its not possible to just go back home and start doing something else since the jobs they had are gone. And that would only mean a whole bunch of people on welfare and no income to pay that welfare. So Russia is fucked no matter what, but at least for now they have the war to profit from.
>>539664937>constantly sucking zigger cock>quotes a newspaper owned by an advocacy group>accuses others of being shillsFor clarification, none of the shit you quoted says anything about the holodomor, the war, or the crimes of the Russian
>>539666152You are a faggot shillThe article proves Soros and USAID had a massive propaganda campaign to convince ukrainians they were "opressed" (like they did with niggers like you).In reality ukrainians ran the USSR also and the KGB was full of them.
>>539666382>Putin as Prod for “Convergence”>Contrary to Russia’s current bellicose posturing, it is in the Kremlin’s interests to offload Ukraine onto the taxpayers of the EU and the United States, and it fits perfectly with their long-term strategy of “convergence” with the EU and the United States.fucking retard lmao
>>539666750Oh look all the NAFO troons are here!>George Soros is all about management by “experts,” i.e., central planning, the hallmark of every socialist, fascist, or communist regime. In fact, he is one of the planet’s premier advocates of global central planning and control. Hence, he is a longtime fervent supporter of the United Nations, the IMF/World Bank, the WTO, global population control through the WHO and UNFPA, and virtually every other internationalist endeavor to subvert national sovereignty and advance the building of an omnipotent world government.>His fetish with internationalism includes, especially, further enlarging and empowering the EU, which has been the prime subject of concern in books and essays by Soros, as well as many of his speeches and media interviews. Soros is a full-blown proponent of total political and economic “integration” of the EU, meaning a complete annihilation of any residual independence of the EU member states and the transfer of all substantive legislative, executive, and judicial powers to EU politicians and administrators in Brussels.>Over the past several years Soros has been particularly emphatic in pushing for a central EU Treasury, or European Fiscal Authority (EFA), which he says is “the missing ingredient that is needed to make the euro a full-fledged currency with a genuine lender of last resort.” The European Central Bank (ECB), says Soros, has insufficient powers to do what is needed, even though he admits it has illegally usurped powers — which he applauds.
>>539666956okay zigger, the other anon says>The article proves Soros and USAID had a massive propaganda campaign to convince ukrainians they were "opressed"Where in this article does it prove that? Where in this fucking 12 year old article does it say anything about the current invasion of Ukraine or the current crimes of the Russian government, which is where that other anon entered the conversation?
>>539660524>Ukraine would accept any reasonable peace dealLmao, absolutely delusional, piggers have proven their inability to negotiate over the past 15 years, now the only option is complete extermination of the plague-ridden cattle
>>539664633>Who benefits from the war?Europe: Learning to be grownups again, funding defense, making unilateral decisions.China: Their continental rival is self immolating.Middle East: High oil prices. Yay.US: The final end to the old geopolitical rival, making way for the new one.Ukraine: The new arsenal of Europe.If the US had sane leadership, they'd see the opportunity coming when Russia implodes and needs grain to stave off famine. Again. This is about 12 months away because they're harvest is being ruined for lack of fuel. We could disarm Russia of nukes.
>>539660524do you have another job that isn't about shitposting, or are you just genuinely this stupid?>Ukraine would accept any reasonable peace dealthe answer to this is no, Ukraine still officially holds returning all lands as non-negotiable demandthat's why the war continues.Until Zelensky gets a slap on the head from your country, and told that he will not receive anymore money or weapons, the war will continue
>>539660524Last time i checked Russia can keep selling oil through Greece so i don't think they're going anywhere.
>>539660524every time ukraine gets a peace deal a EU overlord immediately flies over to put a knife to zelinsky's throat. the real war is russia vs. the EU, with ukraine as the eu puppet state being ordered to send wave after wave of slav to their death.
>>539668600/thread
>>539661584Bombing Russian civilian infrastructure also doesn't help in 'winning hearts and minds'.
>>539661725>lists exactly what Ukraine has been doing this entire timeUkos even go out to assassinate people abroad. It's a terrorist state through and through, but that should be of no surprise to anyone when there's a jew at the helm.
>>539668197>Europe: Learning to be grownups again, funding defense, making unilateral decisions.funding defence and making unilateral decisions doesn't really help Europe.Because:1. they are redirecting whats left of EU economy towards weapons, while having lost ~4 trillion Eur in economic damages from supprting Ukraine so far.2. EU is not "Europe", it's a bureaucratic system that pursues foreign policy goals which directly clash against the national interests of European countries.3. Unilateral decisons of EU are by definition illegitimate>China: Their continental rival is self immolating.The American pipedream of China and Russia fighting each other remains a dream. Divide and conquer doesn't work anymore.>Middle East: High oil prices. Yay.Currently whole region getting bombed to shit btw.>US: The final end to the old geopolitical rival, making way for the new one.So why would China hurt Russia, if you just openly admitted your main enemy is China?>Ukraine: The new arsenal of Europe.Ukraine lost over 50% of its population. That's the definition of the death of a nation.Imagine the American population would shrink to 150 million in just 4 years.>If the US had sane leadership, they'd see the opportunity coming when Russia implodes and needs grain to stave off famine. Again. This is about 12 months away because they're harvest is being ruined for lack of fuel. We could disarm Russia of nukes.nice fanfiction there
>>539660524Because Ukraine's running out of men. Why would you be the beta bitch to offer a peace treaty, when Ukraine can be the ones to do so, and you just take a bit more land out of it?>>539661584Russians are nationalists. Like, actual nationalists. They fight for blood and soil, for territory their ancestors owned, not for Zionist interests. Americans can't comprehend this because they haven't fought a war for their own interests since... the Spanish-American War, maybe?>>539668600also this.
>>539668930Cringe propaganda cope slop
>>539660524How do we sleep with our berries burning?
