EU:>Has drawn itself into a war it cannot win.>A war that had absolutely nothing to do with the EU.>But certain idiots in EU power structures convinced themselves that they could get an "easy win" against Russia.>They thought Russia's commitment to military action was flimsy and would crumble if enough economic pressure would be imposed. Soon, to their horror, they were proven wrong.>EU's economy suffered over $4.5 trillion in damages (as consequence of sanctions, energy cuts, refugees, bankruptcies).>EU's partnership with USA entered a critical crisis phase.>EU's relationship with China suffered even more.>The security of Europe continues to deteriorate the longer the war continues: with illegal movement of weapons and mercenaries/criminals; assassinations; and increasing tensions with Russia that could result in military action beyond Russian and Ukrainian borders.>EU leaders don't have an exit plan, aside from continuing to fund the war: even the US made a silent exit.>The 5D political grandmaster chess-play of the EU Commission has resulted in Europe having to prime their populations for WW3 by 2030. None of those Europeans ever received an answer to the question: why must we die for Ukraine?
Ukraine:>Had originally made a Realist political decision during initial peace talks with Russia in 2022. >The decision to comply with Russia's demands of neutrality and non-alignment was reasonable from a mathematical perspective.>Because war is math. And there was no math in the room that would give Ukraine a safe exit if it would refuse.>The western pledge of unlimited support had led Kyiv to throw away all reason and math; foolishly assuming that unlimited support from the west would prevent a nationwide catastrophe.>The military capital (both in terms of personnel and equipment) was quickly depleted, and Ukraine had become directly dependent on permanent forced mobilization and permanently flow of weaponry from the west.>The economic capital also was quickly depleted, and placed Ukraine at the mercy of perpetual grants and debts from the west.>The Ukrainian population, by latest estimates, lost ~50% of its people, many ran away abroad and will never return.>Ukraine lost ~20% of its territory/landmass, with unlikely chances of getting it back.>Similar to EU's "no exit" predicament, Zelensky himself also has no exit, neither for himself nor for the current national political strategy.
Russia:>Had warned USA and EU multiple times since April 2008 (consequence to the Bucharest NATO summit), that any attempt to drag Georgia or Ukraine into western security structures will result in a war.>Had its warnings persistently ignored.>Paid a huge historical price for remaining passive towards Maidan events in 2014.>Continues to pay today in blood for giving Ukraine 8 years to grow/train/fund its army with western assistance.>Foolishly continues to pursue a reactionary policy in the escalation ladder, which damages not only Russia's own strategic security, but also harms global policies of strategic deterrence among large powers.>Russian political and military elite is growing increasingly impatient with Putin's passivity.>The Overton Window among the Russian public is shifting in favour of large escalation against Ukraine and the west.>Kremlin's long-term strategy remains unclear (whether it exists, or doesn't).>Military success on the ground remains stable and positive, despite the constant yelling about stalemates, meatassaults, defeats, or long-range strikes.
>>539671766>russia dindu nuffin>good boy was forced to do itkek
>>539671766the thing is the "idiots" running the EU are doing this not because they are dumb but because their goal is to bankrupt every European state. then the bankrupt state has to take loans from the IMF/worldbank and get into debt with them.once you are in debt you will never be able to pay it back and because of the European Central Bank you also cant print more money.once you got the debt the IMF can tell your country what to do, what laws to change, what you gotta open up for privatization and foreign capital etc.
>>539671766>Russian army status?>Russian fleet status?>Russian gas status?
>>539672694enough to continue the warwhich is self evident by the fact that the war continues
>blah blaaah blah blaaahh blah blah>blah blah blaaaaah blah blah blah blaaaah blah>blahh blah blaaah blaahh blah>putsin good!!! rasha veri good!!! manly mens country!!!! not ze gey west!!!
>>539671766Clueless idiot. This war is the result of NATO's actions. Despite what the media says, NATO is still expanding.
Russia has already lost. How bad the next century is for this natural slave race (take a look at their history, they've never been free in their existence) depends on how long it takes them to realise. Hoping for another five to ten years personally, they must never be allowed up off their knees again.
>>539671804>>Paid a huge historical price for remaining passive towards Maidan events in 2014.top kek you are retarded
>>539671766No pidor you are wrong about just about everything.
>>539671766>But certain idiots in EU power structures convinced themselvespretty sure these are zelensky tier sockpuppets made addicted to substances and blackmailed by some mafia who influences them through "lobbyists" who also are druggies (suppliers/ middlemen) and blackmailed even harder (death threat) so its either dance along the program or disappear, and out of convenience they are being played and play along while the system keeps the normies suppressed and prevents them from noticing the obvious out of tiredness or precarious living conditions / illusions
>>539672632thisthey are clearly working hard to squeeze even the lastr assets out of the working class who "earn a living wage" and push them into debt so noone but "them" owns or even has the chance of owning the means of production and eventually finding a productive loophole to free themselves from the debt slavery
>>539673229correct, then you can also askwho/when was the nato foundedwhat is its obvious goal (despite claiming the opposite, facts dont lie)what greater goal does this servewhose interests does nato represent / expandwho profits from these developments who would profit from the counterdevelopmentwho are these "players"and why does anyone play along
>>53967176614 posts itt so far and 5-6 of them are from obvious smoothbrain nafo discord tards good job
sauce ?
>>539671766>>But certain idiots in EU power structures convinced themselves that they could get an "easy win" against Russia.What were we supposed to do? 'yes president putin, you've already got Crimea , take the whole country ant then the baltics, do as you please so we keep enjoying your cheap gas'
>>539671766>>A war that had absolutely nothing to do with the EU.no
>>539674837>What were we supposed to do?you could have started by not funding the EaP project, which in turn results in Maidan.Or by participating in Minsk Agreements honestly and seeking a peace deal, instead of (as Merkel admitted later) purposefully lying to Russia to win some time for Ukraine's re-armament.Or you could have also supported Ukraine's non-alignment and/or a joint security system with Russia.But all you did was stall, expand, lie, and sabotage every chance of peace.
>>539673229>Nato expanding caused this>Russia shit their pants about Montenegro and Macedonia joining post 2010Wow, didn't realize those two were such strong additions that Russia was forced to start a pointless war in Ukraine.
>>539674999The day after ns was finally finished russia couldn't resist creating a line of military vehicles towards Kiev , we had a good thing going well for everyone but nah, Russia had to flex bcs Russia stronk.Say what you want, EU couldn't have left that unchallenged.
>>539674999checkeddon't you find it curious how apparently nobody seems to be interested in ynukovitch or that other something-vitch guy and what they have to say about what actually happened ?or how that timoshenko sockpuppet ended up in prison and basically was tortured but they covered it up with some exotic ailment she was alledgedly suffering from and they somehow bailed her out in the last moment ? or how the sesame street carefully groomed the major of kyjiev for years who totally has no connections at all to some sort of underground organisation ? and somehow nobody talks about zelensky even came to power and how they support such a "guy" ? its a miracle almost as if they all were high on coke and follow some fever dream
You are wrong and retarded.
>>539676701You are gay and unacceptable
wonder what the age demographics are for Ukraine and Russia
>>539671766You're wrong
>>539671766>>539671777>>539671804This is going to escalate out of control.Right now GAYTO and Ukraine are being the most jewish I've ever seen anybody act, other than Israel. They attack with impunity inside of Russia, including civilian targets while Russia can't attack inside of GAYTO.If GAYTO actually hurts Russia then Putin will declare a full (real) war, and then he will attack inside of GAYTO,It will be funny, at least at first, when Russia hits all the same kinds of targets in Europe, that Ukraine (really GAYTO) is hitting inside of Russia: energy pipelines, refineries, online retailers, any and all defense contractors.And then, just for shits and giggles, Russia can start assassinating top GAYTO generals with car bombs.I can't wait for the Euroweenie "How dare they!" moment (just before the whole world is engulfed in nuclear fire.)
>>539671766Can Russkies get gas again or are they still stranded in the combustioncuck lines?
>>539678363they can
>>539673007>le wezdHow adorable. The Chihuahua thinks he sits at the table.
>>539680320They banned exportsDidn't they?
