How do commies reconcile their ideology with blue-collar workers?
>>539697964>da gommies....how much do you make a year?
>obviously fake bait post>still sitting at 70 updoots
Some of them believe they're the "vanguard", the more "instructed" and "educated" part if the working class. When immigration kicked off in Britain, for example, the blue collar workers overwhelmingly opposed it, but the British communist party, largely composed by cosmopolitans, supported it. Ultimately the concept of working class in Marxist discourse is so vague it include mean just about anything, from street cleaners to multimillionaires.
>>539697964>We obviously know better than those unwashed brutes and shall be their commissars! Communism has ways been about a pseudo-academic class using the worker's cause as an excuse to overthrow the existing order and make themselves supreme. None of them admit it, few of them even inwardly acknowledge it, but it's at the psychological core of the ideology and has been ever since Marx began yammering about workers.
>>539697964Reddit socialism is CIA slop
>>539697964They think they believe in class warfare.They do not.They believe in >the luckyVs >the unluckyIf you’re fit and attractive?>lucky. You must be destroyed Have money?>lucky. You must give it all upAt the end of the day. All this shit about class warfare is a subconscious attack on people they perceive as having better mating options, they’re trying to destroy them to reduce their chances of mating whilst increasing their own.That’s why these “socialists” are always talking about macho behaviour , who is considered attractive, how has invisible privileges (attractive).It’s just ugly people philosophy.
>>539697964Its crazy how this woman gives a strong air of "HR person" I was really expecting her to say she values management.Shes clearely a cunt who wishes she could be the boss. She wants her enviroment to be pretty, clean and organized
>>539697964I'm a communist, not a feminist or a redditor, nor am I desperately trying to appease either group. Therefore, I'm allowed to be masculine.Indeed, unlike fascists, I'm not even required to suck off der fuhrer.
>>539698142Oh yeah, it makes sense. Thats probably bait
>>539698349the physiognomy most readily associated with this bizarre and crude form of written communication is anything but privileged or attractive.
>>539697964>How do commies reconcile their ideology with blue-collar workers?They transition and get taken by those workers
>>539697964Nice LARP. Post the link to reddit so we can see how many of those faggots took the bait.
>>539697964lol idk if this is bait but this person has obviously misunderstood the entire thing unfortunately, many such cases. she thinks being left wing is an IDpol thing, just as she's supposed to - the culture war destroys class solidarity. Sad!
>>539697964they just shut the fuck up and pay the man to fix the goddamn leak and then go back to their liberal echo chambers and whine?
>>539697964>democratic socialistHow does that even work.
>>539697964Besides barristas, none of those other groups actually work. Creative types can, but I doubt he's referring to any actual employed creatives and rather the starving artist types who just do drugs all day and create nothing.
>>539697964The modern "progressive" is bourgeois, so it isn't really a suprise that they would have class solidarity with the middle-class and middle-class house niggers (baristas) rather than the actual proletariat.
>>539698469>>539698142>>539698287Sounds like you people aren't listening to enough POC and Queer people in your lives. Do better.https://www.reddit.com/r/Socialism_101/comments/1ul3gwz/does_anyone_else_feel_like_workingclass_culture/
>>539697964We don't need zionist loving blue collar workers where we're going
>>539698636Western LARP, basically. No Democratic Socialist has ever read Marx, or even the Manifesto. Cargo cult socialism.
>>539698707Exactly. Most libtards are middle class toffs nowadays who are shielded from the joys of the diversity which they champion and force on the working class.
>>539697964LMAOOOO either the author is a foid or some limp wristed noodle armed soifag.In other words the stereotypical shitlib to an absolute tee.
>>539697964commies don't think, ever.otherwise they wouldn't be commies.
>>539697964>I don't like white men who literally built this whole apparatus of civilization and keep it running through the neo dark ages for subsistence living.>...but I do like these totally hopeless, useless debt slaves that live off the fumes of it all!It keeps coming back to this. Magical thinking. Skipping steps, logically, and just imagining it's going to work.White men in their 20-40's are the engine of our society, without them, there is no maintaining this level of civilization. We are going to backslide. Frankly, I find I am hardly opposed to it now, even if I were to die as a result. I am tired of acting as a weight bearing prop for boomers and foreigners. Would rather let the whole temple drop on their heads and mine.>>539698741See, this one actually understands, at least a little. But a little, too late. Good fucking luck getting white men's support now lol. You would literally have to start personally, publicly executing foreigners to even make a dent and gain their trust at this point, and I know they are not willing to do that.
>>539697964They don't.
>>539698741>has becomekinda funny that he pretends this isn't just the default stance pretty much all of humanity has held forever, and that it's the blue collar workers who are descending into it, rather than the wannabe intelligentsia being the ones who started worshiping it
Communism isn't for people who actually work, it's favored by people who think they will be in charge once the revolution happens.
>>539699376>See, this one actually understands, at least a little.not enough to realize the proletariat would just put him in front of the wall if it ever seized power though.all these wimps and degenerates never seem to understand that the thing which enables them to live their lives the way they do is the police state which is funded by capitalist taxes.the workers have no need for some retarded commie fuck who'd burst into tears after 15 minutes of actual labor. he's useless and they have no reason to drag his retarded ass along.the capitalist state however loves them because they serve as buffer between them and the proles.
>>539697964The reason communist revolution only occurred in the poorest countries is because the more developed the cspitalist class becomes, the more control they have over the population through the police state and propaganda. Modern culture is all AstroTurf. In living memory the typical working man was a socialist.
>>539698699Only big titty mommies who only wear a apron should be allowed to be baristas
>>539697964>Working class we wuzing as masculineI cant tell if its more funny or infuriating that these subhumans are allowed to talk.The guy they always try to LARP as probably hates his life if stuck in the socioeconomic class known as working class with the subhuman mules in the genetic bracket also known as working class.
>>539699748Then the socialists became racist against Whites. And Whites are the working class.
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>>539697964>Blue Collar is Racist, Homophobic, MysoginisticBASED
>>539698226yeah. communism will never have another reasonable chance because the worker class will never align with it again.it's (for the most part) not their employers which are exploiting them the most, but the state through taxes, to pay welfare for all the weak fucks and parasites. and those same weak fucks and parasites imagine themselves as the leaders of the next communist revolution.the average blue collar worker would be much better off if all socialists were shot versus his boss being shot.
>>539697964I think the author here is fantasizing about having a hard time getting along with roofers. I've never met a roofer who spoke English, except maybe the fat boomer who hires all the Guatemalans and sets the job up, but couldn't climb a ladder to save his life.
>>539699748>the typical working manWhat do you do for work, comrade?
>>539697964I absolutely guarantee this weasle faggot hates White people, and men. People like this are scum of the earth
>>539699850That's exactly what I mean about AstroTurf. Socialists being anti white working class is an absurd perversion to a comical degree. It is a result of successful cultural subversion. All ideologies are subverted so that there is no viable alternative.Think for example how ridiculous it is that the mainstream conservative movement on the USA is pro big capital and pro military industrial complex. Both of these things were hated by real conservatives.
>>539699994Its different in euroserf continent, especially UK.
>>539697964They aren't communists they're retarded zoomer liberals on reddit. Read a fucking book.
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>>539700032Lorry driver.
>>539698469>it has to be a larp!!11Most lefty dudes I’ve met in my life are all like this. They hate men and White people very often as well. >t. Bernie bro
>>539697964That socialist has self doubt about the job he has and how it is kind of a joke job, with no real effort needed, and is jealous of his cousins for doing some real work.
>>539700170But you will turn around and say real capitalism hasn't been tried.
>>539700077No you are. Why are you mule scum allowed to talk?
>>539698769>zionist loving blue collar workers These type of men don’t love israel you faggot.
>>539697964Communists haven't been blue collar since the 1930s. They larp as blue collar but in reality it's all white collar kids and HR workers. At best a few of them are union representatives who spent like 3 years on the floor of some warehouse before getting a cushy job where they ignore the workers complaints and try to shift the unions priorities to abortion or Palestine
>>539697964>does the slave awaken that he isn't the working class, and the willing subservient to the rich?
>>539698741I hate retards. Total retard death.
>>539700104Of course it’s that way. In any event, it’s impossible to support any of those DSA people because of how anti-White and male they are. I understand their ideology has been subverted to hate White people and men. That’s up to them to fix though, I’m not going to have any sympathy about it. I do love their israel skeptic positions though. I’ll vote for some of their people if they can actually elucidate how they aren’t going to be against men and White people.
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>>539698510what he said sums it up >>539698257communism is just the dunning-kruger wannabe intelligentsia being mad that they do not sit on top of the shitpile like they believe they should, and trying to trick the blue collar workers which they secretly abhor into overthrowing the system for them.they believe that this will work because they believe the workers are retarded cattle
>>539697964See Im the opposite of them.I was working class for years and years literally a construction worker then I got educated.So I know very well that blue collar laborers are ignorant stupid alcoholic fucks that cant even do whatever pathetic menial labor they do right.Go actually work with some blue collar workers and watch the lazy fucks cut corners and drink beer all day.They can barely read the cunts. And I spent years with them everyday.
>>539700234But capitalism works just fine?
>>539697964This is socialists biggest problem. Most of them are arrogant intellectual types, obsessed with theory and other faggotry. They need to embrace the roughness of blue collar workers.
>>539700789sure thing Moshie.
>>539699107I worked in academia for a good decade so I met a lot of commies, and it's all the same phenotype. Weak, ugly and/or stupid, but completely convinced that they are an intellectual titan denied their rightful place at the top of the hierarchy by a rigged system.Yeah, the system is rigged, but no amount of unrigging it would ever elevate this genetic discharge to a position higher than the parasitic one they hold right now. Being a leech in a capitalist system is the best existence they could ask for. Any other one would probably end with their death.
>>539698142That’s why he’s posting it here instead
>>539697964They dont. Theyre openly hateful of anyone with a job.
>ITT: /pol/ convinces themselves that all these white collar jobs would still existing in a communist US >But is pretending that any of these jobs add any fucking value to society at all Yeah man I'm sure all these ass kissers at Facebook definitely are the most useful role they could work in our capitalist utopia kek
>>539700789This is sadly mostly true. at least half of blue collars are coasting off the hard work of the other half. And they do exactly what you say just sit around jacking it on work computers, drinking, getting high, eating etc. Many engage in outright fraud on their own businesses too. I have seen a lot of that. >OOPS that 3k in copper wire we left out back by the far end of the yard with no security cameras got stolen AGAIN. Dang, well make sure to put these two barrels right where that one was too. >What, won't it get stolen too? >nah>*stolen*
>>539697964They don't.Communists have always been pretend proletariat.Everything they say is a lie, including their intention to work and/or struggle for an outcome.They see themselves as the overseer telling all the workers what to do. Each and every one of them sees themselves that way.Its why the ideology always fails. It's false, just like the people that push it.
>>539700234capitalism works reasonable well, even when it's been almost raped to death by socialists.despite all the state interference we have with the market right now, people are still on average way better off than most of their ancestors were
>>539700182>Lorry driver.So you drive around posting on 4chan at 1:30 in the afternoon?>>539700209>Most lefty dudes I’ve met in my life are all like this.They're all like that, they just don't come out and say it.>But it's on reddit so it must be real!Why do you suppose the Jews consider you all just cattle?>>539700234>But you will turn around and say real capitalism hasn't been tried.Why would I say that? I own my own business and am crushing it in gains on owning stock. It's like seizing the means of production except you just build or buy the means of production instead of murdering the producers and nobody has to starve to death.
>transforming left-wing politics into faggotry and nigger worship>transforming right-wing politics into lolbertarianism and jew worshipglowniggers really knocked this one out of the park
>>539697964Communists were never working class, but people who seethe at the idea of working. That's why they support unions and other bullshit that empowers the laziest worker.A good worker, who works hard and skillfully can easily negotiate a higher wage.A bad worker has nothing to bargin with, why would a manager care if his worst employee threatens to leave?Only bad employees need a union, so they can parasitize their coworkers.
>>539699864another relevant rockthrow
>>539700604>muh blacksTrying to redirect focus before someone reaches the conclusion you are a subhuman?
>>539701788pretty much.I might not be the hardest worker (I'm shitposting on /pol/ right now after all), but I always hand all of my stuff in on time, and with a high degree of quality, and when there's some shit that has to be done urgently I don't throw a hissyfit over doing some OT.I never had any issues negotiation my wage. my boss knows it would be his loss if he loses me, so we always come to an agreement both sides can accept as reasonable.
>>539697964They gave up on "reconciling" it decades a go. They somehow managed to remove the politics of class and economics from being the centre of leftwing concerns and replaced it with "intersectionality".The xommies effectively became hyper liberals who have got rid of dialectical materialism, economic determinism, base/superstructure understandings of society, teleological understandings of history and anything else that was vaguely Marxist or communistic. They became neurotic, self-absorbed narcissists. I preferred the old communists
>>539697964Feminism is truly one of the system's neatest tricks with how it absolutely castrated the left into something that can't agree on a program let alone attract normal people. And if a candidate is gaining? Just use the old I was raped card and he will be instantly defenestrated like poor Graham was. Most votes in maine primary history and set to ride a massive blue wave and ONE ex coming out of the woodwork with a rape accusation was enough to deflate him in less than a week.
>>539697964Excessive physical labor destroys people, physically and also their brains. Laborers are simply worked to death, their brains die too. The macho posturing is about holding and not killing themselves.
>>539700983Liberation theology and intersectionality have become almost inseparable with Western leftism, which drives workers (mainly White workers) away from their politics, and into ineffective conservative' opposition, or outright apathy. A lot of these types cannot reconcile their beliefs with the working class because they're overeducated/institutionalized, which instills a superiority complex within them. A lot of these types boast about how they've transcended the 'tribal' nature of the White working class, which further drives the divide. Subsequently, the working class bears the brunt of the intersectional policies that these types are in favor of, which usually entails wealth redistribution schemes in the form of welfare, devaluation of labor, and lowered wages that are synonymous with mass migration. This isn't favorable obviously for the worker, but the intersectional leftist will celebrate them as achievements, typically as it relates to racial/identity renunciation for the 'common good', but the common good would be to synergize with the worker and the nation's identity, of which the worker chiefly represents in many ways. The intersectional leftist cannot reconcile their beliefs with the tribalism and chauvinism present in the working class, because they've been trained by these institutions to see it as inherently bad, or primitive. But the worker is just as important as the manager and the creative, and when these forces synergize under national identity, are foundational to cultivating a favorable texture of life for the people. Western leftists are way too high on their own supply, and see themselves as superior to the 'primitive, racialized' worker, despite the worker being integral to societal operation. The intersectional leftist, however, intentionally undermines and destroys the society and texture of life with their policies, and in effect makes their positions even less favorable to the native worker, and broader working class.
>>539703312perfectly put, id say theur just overeducated petty bourg who larp as proletariaat as essentially all commies are and do
>>539697964Commies have always hated the working class. They just like the fantasy of being comic book superheroes who fly through the sky and punch evil billionaires to death. Their on-the-ground reality and relationship with the working class has always been discomfort and a total lack of connection, just like that twink describes.
>>539702580communism can be anything and hold any beliefs, as long as it tears down civilization. Once you learn that simple truth then everything they do makes perfect sense.
>>539698074Why exactly is there such a strong socialist revival right now?
>>539699572Except it's never them , they go to work camps, because the new regime they put in power doesn't trust the people who toppled the last regime.
>>539704605Because young people can't afford shit and, like all economically useless people without property, they assume that other people who do have the things they want stole those things or otherwise came to posses them through nefarious means.
>>539704605Because of unemployment. Communism, socialism, other fringe ideologies, tend to recruit from the unemployed and the outcasts of society. The issue is that when you make too many people unemployed due to replacement with pajeets, you make too many people into those very same unemployed outcasts, very quickly. Many of these "socialists" would not be socialist if they were employed.Deport a million pajeet H1Bs and a million brown central americans, and you can defeat the "socialist" revival overnight simply because you've opened up more job positions for the formerly employed, now unemployed, to work in. Remember that the political chaos of the Weimar was only possible because of the massive unemployment that came with the Great Depression. Millions of formerly employed and productive citizens were suddenly turned into unemployed outcasts.
>>539698636Democracy with social values instead of capital for the sake of profit. You know like a healthy fucking society and government that ensures capitalist don’t consolidate and concentrate wealth for the sake of speculation while the working class suffers.
>>539700273They vote MAGA, blue collar are cock riders of Israel, shUt the fuck up.
>>539705989So they should vote for effeminate, androgynous, retarded, entitled commies because they hate Israel instead? Did it ever occur to you that they're voting for their own interests fully aware that it will involved a bunch of middle east bullshit?
>>539705165Most people that work are struggling. Doesn't matter if you are married with kids and a home or have nothing. I make almost twice what i made 10 year ago. I could afford to buy a home and have kids making less than 20 an hour. Im making over 30 an Hour now and can hardly make ends meet. Insurance has doubled. Taxes have doubled. Utilities have tripled, groceries have doubled. Only thing that stayed cheap is tvs and Hulu. Just because people are shitting on our current crapitalist state doesnt mean we want commie blocks set up and bread lines. We just want to be able to afford to live
Brother. Nothing made me more communist than working a blue collar job. I worked at a bottling plant, made like $80 a day while making hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of dollars in product everyday. It’s harder to make white collar people understand cause your job is increasingly abstract from profit. Like I now work in higher education, a student pays whatever it is to go here, but there are hundreds of us who make that education possible. Where as at a bottling plant it was literally me and six other people mixing the product, putting in the bottle, and the packaging.
>>539698074Stop pretending like you fuckers haven't been trying to astroturph this board for at least 6 months ths.You faggots are obvious as fuck.
>>539706197Ive been sand bagging and quiet quitting since covid. I get paid all the same
>>539697964You're conflating social progressivism with communism, but you're correct that they're incompatible with each other. Marx hated mass immigration & Stalin put faggots in Gulags.
>>539706209Very simple question, were you here on the board during the christmas/new years time frame at the end of 2024? Alot of oldfags dropped capitalism in response to those h1b events and elon freaking.
>>539697964>How do commies reconcile their ideology with blue-collar workers?they don'tdeep down they are all hypocrites: champagne communists desiring slavesthat's all; that's why they hated the hierarchies developed over millennia, which did other things too beside taking drugs and getting aids
Commies are the most retarded people in this world holy shit
>>539706091>Just because people are shitting on our current crapitalist stateWe don't live in a capitalist state. We live in a corporatist state. That's the issue. Midwits think capitalism has failed when in reality we've not had actual capitalism since the very early 20th century.
>>539706710You mean corporatocracy. Corporatism is quasi-based because you're basically returning to the old guild system. Corporatocracy is the gay shit we got today.
>>539706558You're a nigger. No oldfags dropped capitalism for socialism because any oldfags still here are already national socialists you disingenuous shit.
