>News of China acquiring a lithography machine similar to the lithography machines built by the Dutch company, ASML, collapsed the company's stock.>In its trade war wargames, the EU was betting on China's reliance on ASML's lithography machines as a key way of fighting against export restrictions on rare earth metals and other components.
>>539710053>the EU was betting on China staying reliant on ASML foreverIf that's true it was a seriously retarded assumption, kek.Has that worked for absolutely any other technology whatsoever?
Based China and East Asia will supply us with cheap pc parts and good games, but eu and us faggot politicians will ban it
China gives the world cheap shit or even free shit while the EU gives us homosexuality, totalitarian expansion , Mossad, dog fucking and trannyism
>>539710113Ve still make ze best cars in ze world
>>539710053>the EU was betting onwhy cant these EU morons stop gambling? they are too dumb to bet on anything and literally none of their bets have ever worked out.
>>539710214Jetzt erst Recht!!!!!!!!!!!is the prevalent main ideology
>>539710477if only EU wasnt ruled by idiots and woman. its been one L after another for decades now with no change in sight.
>>539710739Useless narcicistists incapeable of anything but grabbing power to fullfill their control fetischYup, that's gubberning us
And people voting for that because they're marketing victims conditioned from birth
>>539710053It was stupid to not realise, given all that China has done over the last few decades, that it would not go to great lengths to steal the tech.
>>539711002>And people votingdo you really believe these elections and stuff work?feels like every party is against the goy and no matter what you vote for you get the same shit sandwich.I have never in my life seen "democracy" work in favor of the people.
Oh no..Anyways
>>539710053i hope china "buys" asml and ships the factories to china now that the "stonk" is down hahahahahahaha
>>539711165>I have never in my life seen "democracy" work in favor of the peopleIn Germany? No. In other countries, yes, somethimes
>>539711329They tried that, but Burgers interveined. Then they hired some asml engeneers. Now they're building their own machines
>>539710053should i buy the dip?
>>539710053>In its trade war wargames, the EU was betting on China's reliance on ASML's lithography machinesThat's retarded, because news about China making breakthrough on their own brand of lithography and at the same time copying ASML's are like year old at least.
>>539711852Jup, this we'd like to buy asml was likely a test to see what happens
>>539710193>Ve still make ze best cars in ze worlduh oh! stinky!
>>539710053EUV is where it's at. DUV machines are old tech. If somebody wants to muscle in on that market, go ahead. Still holding ASML (15% of portfolio and up about 150%). The moat is still huge.
Cope more chang. China is a dirt poor backwater that will never rule the world.
>>539712307They are retarded and hate us, yes.They are dependent on us, which means we're their superior, but they cannot admit that to themselves since they are all izzat-maxing genetic discharge.So you get the usual pic-related from them as they simultaneously try to claim they are our superior and have conquered us and then cry bitch tears whenever we tell them to go back into their ghetto.The only solution for this situation is to kick them all out.
>>539710053>Now back to June 2026 levelsThis is a total loss
>>539712307>>539712811The cope is strong Things is, No such thing as money lending masters and dependant slaves anymore. But Peoples friendship, according to their abilities, and keep the bullie in check.
>>539712307What's your argument here
>>539710053Why not just copy the patent and rebuild it? Taiwan probably already reverse engineered it, China could do the same thing.
>>539713323nothing really, I saw that he's spamming that in basically every thread right now
>>539711720Lol no
>>539713343Maybe squirting 300k liquid tin droplets per second while individually hitting them with an ultraviolet laser, twice, in mid-air is more complicated than just reading the patent and copying it.
>>539710053Don't worry, former ASML engineers are going to be turning up dead in China and all the work they've done will be sabotaged.
>>539710137This
>In its trade war wargames, the EU was betting on China's reliance on ASML's lithography machines as a key way of fighting against export restrictions on rare earth metals and other components.I really hope this isn't true.I mean..... Chinese people have high IQ. Africans and browns tend to have much lower IQ. Judging on their statements and actions, European politicians unironically think it is the other way round. It's unbelievable.
>>539710053China developed a crude prototype of the ultraviolet lithography machine and is aiming for commercial viability by 2028-2030.
>>539713560China has history of reverse engineering various technologies for mass production. It’s inevitable that they will succeed and undercut the market.
Well Usa has pretty much gaslit Dutch people into thinking they are gods, so... this is the result.
>>539710053>ASML>lithographyah yes, i know what these words mean
>>539714100>and is aiming for commercial viability by 2028-2030.This is because it takes time to create chip blue prints.They have the machine,1. They need time to create more machines.2. They need time to create chip blueprintsAn AMD Ryzen 9 require a different blueprint than an Nvidia Kikeberry for example.Just like a Toyota needs different blueprint than a Ford.But yeah, it's just a matter of time.In the meantime they can focus on easy things like DRAM, which is cloned patterns and not so complex.
>>539714063>European politicians unironically think it is the other way round. It's unbelievable.American politicians and journalists have been gaslighting europeans into thinking nobody will ever get close to them. That they are decades ahead in development.The deepstate's fake bravado policies have only hurt the western industries really.>>539713560It is difficult, but what you are describing is mostly conctrol-software issues, and tuning them so that perform just right.The EUV hardware itself was completed sometime in Q4 2024 as Russina Anon said>>539711852
>>539710113Europe is being intentionally sabotaged. Wake up and fight
>>539715468>Europe is being intentionally sabotaged.They willingly participated in the self sabotage.The effort against Russian gas? Poland participated wholeheartedly into Sabotaging europe.The sanctions against ASML's 2nd largest customer? The Dutch wholeheartedly participated into Sabotaging their own export economy.
Good, the constant screeching about Chinks not being able to innovate and collapsing in two more weeks needs to fucking end.West has to make a choice, either lose or start competing with real merit.Merit based society can't tolerate shitskins, quota hires or politics that enables retarded bullshit, which is why they don't want to go down that path as it will kill globohomo.China being able to manufacture chips and chip machines makes them completely independent from rest of the world and no amount of propaganda can do shit about it.
>>539710053Thank God. Please make RAM affordable again.
>>539715626>They willingly participated in the self sabotage.Not the majority, not the people who naively thought their government had their best interest at heart.Fuck you Vatnigger, can't wait for the day you're genocided by the Chinks you crawled in bed with because you're short sighted and greedy.
>>539715626If Russia didn't want to be sanctioned maybe they shouldn't have tried to destroy Europe.
>>539710137>with cheap pc parts and good gamesyou are delusional, they'll put cheap data centers in all the neighbours to monitorize retards 24/7, that's what they'll do.
>>539715468>Europe is being intentionally sabotaged.Yeah, by america. Fuck off.
>>539715817I wasn't aware my nation forced you to import millions of niggers and mudslimes. I thought that was your own government whom you're too cowardly to resist.
>>539710053Stupid Euroniggers actually thought the perfidious chink would deal with them fairly… sorry fags, we’re still the best option you have
>>539715817the company was sold to China 5-6 years ago, after that the US and the EU panicked and they stole it from the Chinaman that took it but I suppose he had more Chinks there and that's how they have that shit now.
>>539714063Woman and simps who both heard of or watched blacked porn for the bbc made those decicions. Quota and inclusivity hireing. Industrylibby was clapping because they're mentally stuck in the 1980s
>>539715804>all-in on data centersThis is the murrica strategy.China doesn't go all-in, they try to reach a point where their datacenters are good bang for the buck, and still cost 10 times less than the murrica counterpart.Their neighbours? They don't have the energy to drive the datacenters.So it won't be a problem at all.
*industrylibbyand still on coke like in the 80s
Fucking LOBBY
>>539710053
>>539715649>Merit based society can't tolerate shitskins, quota hires or politics that enables retarded bullshit, which is why they don't want to go down that path as it will kill globohomo.channers like us benefit from this conflict then, as we are discriminated against, despised and hated but the normalfaggots need us to compete against the chinks.
>>539716045>ok grook, who export the most green energy machines>China exports the most green energy machines, leading global markets in solar panels, wind turbine components, and lithium-ion batteries.
>>539715885>I wasn't aware my nation forced you to import millions of niggers and mudslimesModernity and it's conditons are a judeo-american export. Your country is the origin point of and single biggest propagator of globohomo anti-human faggotry.After the petrodollar's imminent collapse I wish all americans a very unpleasant decline into becoming one of those majority-brown third world countries you love to bomb so much.
>>539715949>the company was sold to China 5-6 years agoOh you're talking about something else.Nexperia and ASML are 2 different thingsASML = high end machines that make chipsNexperia (phillips) = old chips used for car controls, obviously China had the upper hand in this fight because the Chinese are the ones making the cars, Chinese hold the power to no longer buy dutch Nexperia chips. In fact Phillips was bleeding money when they spun off Nexperia due to that. China had the Chinese car market to make Nexperia profitable, the dutch government suddenly thought Nexperia was a god like ASML was and got all cocky with China. It was a bad result for the Dutch government.
>>539712283>VideoGermans love to feel every road bumb deep in their anus.
>>539713244Brown hands typed this ESL nonsense
>>539716189You don't need datacenters to export/create solar panels, wind turbine, and batteries.You can actually build solar panels without a datacenter just fine.
>>539710053Looks like someone is hurting for funding.I'll bet if someone checks the shorts enough they will glow like the 4th of july.
>>539715752I did not know UKR is part of Europe.
>>539716201Except you gave the Jews the nation of Israel, you do realize that right? How is it our fault your empire failed and you made terrible choices.You must be a fucking liberal or a woman to not admit your the people who caused this problem.
>>539716381>>539712283Tight adjustment is actually good for roadgrip when you make sharp turns.The real innovation in the new chinese cars is: the car can self-adjust when it's best for shock absorber to be tight, and when it's best for shock absorber to be loose.
>>539710137>but eu and us faggot politicians will ban itObviously, just like they do with electric cars
>>539710053>COMMON EU L You love to see it
>>539710053>collapsed
>>539716506Europa is a continent, EU is a political abomination, the EU like to see themself as the continent, but they're not
>>539710053>EU was betting on China's reliance on ASML's lithography machinesFirst of all ASML machines have about 30% of irreplaceable components made in the US. As in if Trump said you can't export lasers to ASML they company couldn't make machines. So the ludicrous fact that the EU could leverage ASML in a trade war with China while ASML is entirely depending on US parts is comical.
>>539711852Well, it was just asml claiming that chonese tried to disassemble it and broke it. It was basically like altman laughing at others trying yo create their own llms or elon laughing at byd producing evs. It was just a single year since asml laughed at chinese attempt to disassemble their machine and now they are fucked.
>>539711067>go to great lengths to steal the tech.I think this one is not possible to steal, they had to divert all their big brains into reverse reseach, and branching out from there on their own.
>>539712307Read nitche or smthing. It's normal for people to hate those who help them while not asking for amything in return.
>>539716958works both ways, no?
>>539713343Because you can't use it if it's patented. But asml didn't patent it, it was a tech secret that has never been published.
>>539710214People say EU is a CIA project.EU commisars are handpicked by a collective of atlanticist prime ministers who were groomed by WEF.
>>539715468bullshit. European "elites" are just hopelessy stuck in the 1970s. And "fighting" for "Europe" Nigger, its time to burn that continent to the ground with no mercy for anybody over 50, publicly financed and employed or slightly tanned
>>539717079You now realise the blue/white development is israel gradual influence.
>>539716855as long as the territory of "Germany" exists, FUCK EUROPE
>>539717318Hajo, weischde, mogschd wieder ä Anschlüssle?
>>539712283this was cheated.
>>539717570Camera can scan road conditions and apply a.i. real time.Roadbumps identified => Loosen the electromagnetRoad is making sharp turn => Tighten the electromagnetThis decision is made +100 times per second by a really fast image processor.It's new technology that doesn't exist in Germany/Japan/Usa.
>>539710137Added Russia. I still remember how much seethe the bottom game caused.
>>539715422>The EUV hardware itself was completed sometime in Q4 2024China aren't copying EUV, they are making DUV. This is decades old.
>>539717921>China aren't copying EUV, they are making DUVBoth projects have been active parrallel development since the chips war in 2017.You are heavily understimating China.They know what DUV is, they know what EUV is next generation.They also have different tech developed in parallel to EUV which the Dutch are not pursuing.What I'm trying to say is, you're running low on sand in your hourglass.
the chinks should just skip EUV entirely and start making chips using particle accelerators, their new thorium reactor tech should give them more than enough power for it
>>539710053Its funny how everyone on earth just completely gives up when china catches up. Its like they have this innate felling they are inferior and must fold without a pre-existing advantage. Where the fuck did this come from.
>>539715468Europe isn't a country low IQ mutt, and no country in Europe can compete with China which has 20-1000x their population
>>539710053Aren't all tech stock dumping now because of that SpaceX scam IPO though?
>>539710053>High NA>EUV>Immersion>DUV <--- China is hereMeh.
>>539718197Anons think China can only work on 1 thing at a time, this is also a mistake.They have multiple teams racing against each other across multiple projects.The Chinese know they are behind, so they know they need each type of technology.
>>539712283This is old tech. Bose did this in early 2000s. Theres even youtube videos of this kind of suspension.I cringe every time you fags post this like its some kind of space age tech.
>>539710053>OH FUCK! PROFESSOR CHANG HOW DID THEY GET OUR NANO LITHOGRAPHY TECH?>BING CHLLING WAI QU XI NOT MY FAULT OR YOUR RACIST. IMPORT MY COUSIN NEXT.
>>539718438>Bose did this in early 2000sYou had to press a button to make the Bose car jump.The Chinese car as determine the timing of pothold 1000 times per second via computer, and skip the pothole.
>>539718415><--- China is hereYou need to paste this into multiple spots. They are researrching everything, at once. with independent teams, they know you can sabotage individual teams here and there, that's why you had trouble instructing your Shanghai traitors into sabotaging them this time.
>>539718617Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about or youre an AI shill.
>>539718319>Where the fuck did this come from.When China is not here, you can raise price on GPU (have you purchased an nvidia card recently? Did your wallet hurt?) and you can raise price on DRAM.But once China enters the picture, you can no longer raise the price, this is why they give up.It's all about $$$ and profit$.
>>539716958>all ASML machines have about 30% of irreplaceable components made in the US.Sstop listening to American propaganda.Only EUV machines have a light source made in the US.This is about DUV which has no American components.And it's nothing special: Nikon and Canon can make DUV machines as well, it's 30 year old tech.
>>539718949>Clearly you have no clue what you are talking abouWatch the video again, the Bose car did a real car jump over a large bump.They didn't have computers back then, so the car driver had to press the button manually with the right timing.LOL you're a dumbfuck brainlet.The most important part of this technology is the computer that can read and analysis the LIDAR data in real time and instruct the electromagnets automatically without driver input and human error.
>>539710053Great news. Chinks are winning from the jewed West and I can't wait for us to fall. Fuck ASML and fuck the globohomo West
>>539719020>This is about DUVYou think China can only afford 1 research team?You are in serious trouble with that mindset.
>>539719020>it's 30 year old tech.now ask yourself ow experts assessed China backwardness thirty years ago (1996)>they are learning...too fucking fast
>>539710053zoom out you retarded nigger
>>539710053Chinese are cheaters
>>539718789People have been researching EUV since the 1980's.It would be weird if nobody in China was.Researching and building working machines are two completely different worlds.And building working machines is completely different from building economically viable machines.ASML had EUV machines in the 90's, they were just too unreliable and it took two decades to make them good enough to put in an actual factory for actual mass production.It's a vacuum chamber so every time something goes wrong you have to depressurize and re-pressurize.So in a production environment you can't afford to have anything go wrong more than once a week or so.
>>539719392Talking of your moms experience?
>>539710053>acquiring a lithography machine similar to the lithography machines built by the Dutch companyand where?
>>539719416>It would be weird if nobody in China was.You're wrong then. China did not develop until mid-2010's when the european race began hostilities, they thought they could buy machines from asmk.>Researching and building working machines are two completely different worlds.China can do both.>It's a vacuum chamber so every time something goes wrong you have to depressurize and re-pressurize.No, idiot, you just tell the robots in the vacuum to readjust things for you.KEK, morons like you is why China is winning.They also don't have to export these machines, they don't have the same miniturisation requirements you have.
>>539714359they would have done it already if it was possible
>>539718087wafer-per-hour manufacturing output is low with chinese methods. not profitable for high-volume mass production.
>>539711067it wasn't as simple as stealing the tech. they couldn't replicate it, they couldn't build a copy that worked.
>>539719020>Only EUV machines have a light source made in the US.not true. I notice you dutch niggers like to lie a lot when it comes to this subject. there's a reason US has export controls over ASML. you ever wonder why?
>>539716958>So the ludicrous fact that the EU could leverage ASML in a trade war with China while ASML is entirely depending on US parts is comical.US makes them do it.
Kind of funny that EU cries about Monopolies but has no problem when there is only one company making wavers for chips
>>539710053Friendly reminder that ANY AND ALL technological competitive advantages should be considered null and void when facing a competitor with a budget as big as yours. Stupid ass westoids.
>>539714863>ASMLtech consortium of leading manufacturers of optics and micro machinery>lithographydemonologyThey inject a constant stream of tiny mercury droplets into a cavity and ignite these tiny fucks with precise aimed laser pulses. This creates a plasma flash with light in a very narrow shortwave bandwidth. Then a ton of precisely controlled, very precisely polished mirrors reflects the light onto the wafers to produce a Talmud for electrons.For many years now Chinese top students have been involved into the research of these technologies at western universities abroad and at elite universities in China. It's been only a matter of time for China to spin up the very complex manufacturing chains to produce these machines. There was never a boomeristic secret knowledge card held by the west. It was all just investing and converging many state of the art manufacturers, something China can easily do. It just takes some time.
>>539720628>one company making wavers for chipsnot true
>>539720805that makes no sense at all. money =/= innovation
>>539720986ALL tech can be replicated. It's one of the most fragile competitive advantages you can pursue.
>>539720878>It just takes some time.yeah, 10-15 years. by that time china might not even exist.
>>539721106if that was the case, then they should have copied it 40 years ago then
>>539721180Didn't have the money back then. Look at what's happening now with le AI. Muh cutting edge.
>>539710053China's entire economy is based on copying Western products and selling them for cheap. What did the EU think was going to happen?
>>539721270people are innovating and china is copying. tale old as time.
>>539720024>wafer-per-hour manufacturing output is low with chinese methods.Doubt it. They are catching up faster than any of you are aware of.There are lots of companies around the world who are on China's side to reduce the SSD and DRAM pricing.
>>539715804>you are delusional, they'll put cheap data centers in all the neighbours to monitorize retards 24/7, that's what they'll do.Yeah, that's not working out so well for them, I'm not afraid to say. Over half of all datamining centers are stalling out or DOA. Even the ones that have gotten the greenlight are just taking up space and wasting resources without even doing anything. Just empty steelcrete shells.I know what you're saying though. They want this so badly they'd destroy the whole planet for it, but it's just not going to work. Even if it works in the short term, there's no guarantee it'll work in the long term (and this bullshit is deathly allergic to low time-preference thinking, whether it's the datamining centers, the jewtility kikery or the DSCAM NAND flash kikery).
>>539720209>couldn'tCorrect usage of Past tense.
>>539710053>In its trade war wargames, the EU was betting on China's reliance on ASML's lithography machines as a key way of fighting against export restrictions on rare earth metals and other components.The EU is unironically the single least intelligent geopolitical entity in human history. I cannot think of a single state that was so arrogant, impotent, and incompetent at trying to leverage its capabilities in human history.
>>539711329china did that with nexperia but the eu eventually seethed hard enough to steal the parts of the company left in europe
>>539710137China can only produce 7nm chips at scale, so like 8 years old by current standards. This article is about them producing the hardware needed to make these obsolete chips domestically for the first time.
>>539721109Neither will ZOGmerica.
>>539721556the US controls who ASML can export to
Strange how many of the Germans in here are anti-EU when it gives you control and leverage over other members.
>>539721747Then China will really never be able to figure it out if US is gone. Nobody left to copy.
>>539721517Just fyi, China is fascist you dumbshit.
>>539721604The Nexperia Saga is a different topic, but it was hilarious because the Dutch government who intervened didn't know Nexperia was bleeding money and about to collapse, they didn't have access to the Chinese car market until China purchased them for the Chinese car market.The politicians could only see that Nexperia was now profitable, and that the timing is ripe for stealing Nexperia away.They didn't understand NExperia would be bankrupt without the Chinese auto industry, and so 93% of all "Nexperia" production output is now independent in China, and not a single eurocent is crossing the border into Netherlands.
>>539721109People have been (obviously wrongly) predicting the imminent collapse of China since like the 1960's. At what point will you guys stop with the grift?
>>539721774Wherever ASML's facilities decides where it can export to, it's why offshoring is an issue. If the Netherlands decide "ASML will export to China even after China nuked a carrier task force, sailed the survivors back to Beijing, and executed them by mass hanging" all America would be able to do is impotently seethe. Also it's delusional to think China would never develop the tech for themselves and America underestimating China has led to their own downfall1990: China just makes plastic crap2000: China makes lots of steel but it's all pig iron2010: China makes good steel but their cars are death traps2020: Chinese cars are superior and cheaper but they still haven't mastered good jet engines
>>539710053As far as I know, burgers didn't allow ASML to sell EUV lithography gear to China.So this was never something to make deals over.And it is retarded to think that a country with more than a billion people and every modern technology wouldn't be able to get it at some point.
>>539722002Maybe because China was eating each other in the 1960s? The only reason China has rose to any modern prominence at all is because it was propped up by the US on purpose.
>>539722334We didn't intend for them to get so powerful, memeflag, and I said since the 1960's, meaning from then to now. Successive US administrations have been trying to strangle China's rise and haven't managed it, obviously this wasn't intentional.
>>539722221>a billion people and every modern technology wouldn't be able to get it at some point.You see it demonstrated in this thread.The Dutch guy further up bragged about how the dutch spent 30 years tinkering with EUV prototypes by:-de-pressurinsing the vaccum chamber,-making adjustments-re-pressurising the chamber-testing-repeating the slow processHe didn't even understand China of today has robots who can work inside vacuum environment to help test the EUV chambers.
>>539722596>Successive US administrations have been trying to strangle China's rise and haven't managed it, obviously this wasn't intentional.bullshit. that's just MSM garbage meant for the plebs to consume. China is the best "enemy" money can buy since the collapse of the USSR. US coddles China any chance it can get. Especially behind closed doors.
>>539716527There would be no israel without america but your what-aboutism is entirely expected, kike.Any actual white person would not celebrate the subversion of white nations as you are doing.>How is it our fault your empire failed>B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EMPIRE???Not what we're talking about, kike faggot.The sickness of modernity and it's conditions, again, are a judeo-american export.
>>539722808Elon isn't a member of government, and our dear orange pedophile very much has tried to fuck China over plenty of times, just like his dementia-ridden predecessor, it's just that unlike Biden his attempts backfire.
>>539722985>Elon isn't a member of governmentno, he's just the world's only trillionaire and China happens to make 50% of all Teslas.
>>539723071And said Teslas get wrecked by the hypercompetitive Chinese EV manufacturers, because Tesla's stock price is propped up by hype, not good products.
>>539723299Picrelated was just 2 months ago. You forget about it already?
>>539723360Are you really using the state visit that was roundly mocked for achieving nothing as a gotcha?
>>539723493Roundly mocked on reddit?
>>539723656Roundly mocked by literally everyone except the delusional, it's the handshakes and Boeings visit and there were almost certainly more handshakes than Boeings sold.
>>539710137if china has its way, you wont have time to play video games considering dear leader winnie the pooh needs you to wage slave for pennies on the dollar
>>539723751You aren't smart.
>>539718949>it's deeply afraid
>>539723849This being said by someone who unironically believes the 2026 state visit was of value beyond the theatrical is so cataclysmically ironic I'm doubting you have an IQ above 80.
>>539710053>trade war wargames>in which you assume you're constantly winning seems like your union is lead by women
All this shows me is that Nazi Germany's "economic disaster" wasn't real either and these experts are just Jews pushing their propaganda.
>>539712409ASML make zero sales from EUV to China. At their peak, almost half of ASML's revenue is selling DUV to China. DUV is still the workhorse of the semiconductor industry. Even for cutting edge nodes, only absolutely critical layers uses EUV, the rest is done on DUV because of the significantly better throughput of DUV machines, and no stochastic error that kills yield in all EUV related processes. EUV isn't magic. It has significantly physics trade off. It can print finer feature size, at the expense of far slower through put and stochastic error from quantum mechanics. It is why cost per transistor stopped coming down since the introduction of EUV, in fact, its going up.
>>539724000I already told you it was theatrical. You really aren't smart.
>>539713560As I understand it, that's not the most difficult part; the most difficult part is making the 13.5nm wavelength mirrors and keeping them clean of vaporized tin
>>539723770>needs you to wage slaveChina has no need for lazy beaners.Just continue your siesta and fiesta.
>>539721774Not true, and not even what that ai slop says. You're too dumb for ai slop, topkek
>>539724291Damn pal you are retarded, trying to use something you didn't say which contravenes what you were implying and then calling me unintelligent.
>>539721665Their latest SMIC N+3 node is equivalent in density to TSMC N6 node, which entered mass production in 2020. The first product using SMIC N+3 was released in 2025, so about a 5 year gap. But that not the whole story. Transistor scaling have slowed down dramatically, since we're reaching the physical limits of silicon transistors. Each jump is getting smaller. Its why China can do just fine at 6/7nm equivalent.
I am ok with bad things happening to the dutch.
>>539724240>>539724741At least someone knows whats up, 165 posts in. Ffs
>>539724882ASML collapsing would be great news for actual Dutch people
>>539724663Your 5th grade reading comprehension isn't my problem.
>>539724614it is true and if the MATCH Act passes, it will be even more true.
>>539712409Pssst do not tell the doomsday faggots this tiny but very important detail
>>539717570It was possible decades ago though with those hydropneumatic suspensions or whatever Renault used. Too lazy to look it up.
>>539724978You can't suddenly turn around and start agreeing with the "Redditors" my dear mewling retard, you can't imply it achieved something of substance and then proceed to call it theatrical.
>>539725215i did no such thing
>>539725038If it were true, MATCH wouldn't be required, kek please do keep making more of a retard of yourself
>>539723770versus slaving away for blackrock for pennies on the dollar
>>539710053I swear I've heard this once or twice already.
>>539725311ASML has been banned from exporting its EUV lithography machines to China as part of US led export controls. It’s also restricted from selling its most advanced DUV machines to them.
>>539714359How is that anything but excellent news for the consumer?
>>539725311Are you too dumb for AI slop? I think so.
>>539725656Those controls are highly specific dumbass, despite non-stop US kvetching. So this post >>539721774 was incorrect, and your doubling down on it has proven conclusively you are, in fact, a retard
>>539725118The germans cheated, during this car jump they had to manually press the button to order the car to jump, they had no LIDAR to scan the road, they had no computers that measured timing for them. it's a marketing gimmick.Today is different, you need suspension system that can microadjust on the fly, while reading road conditions.The Chinese car actually scans the road realtime via computer assistance.The German Bose car cheated to perform pic related.
>>539725923not an argument.
>>539725902Thats enough tard wrangling for me today, go talk to your artificial jew now
>>539710214Put even more women into EU institutions.It will work great for sure.
>>539726040cuck
>>539721556Anon... we are led by geriatrics and women.
>>539710137asians and their realistic but slightly anime, bug eyed, baby faced, porcelain doll female character design is certainly an improvement over western nigger ugloid character design, but it's still kind of offputting. feels like it's going too far in the other direction and becoming uncanny valley shit. top looks good, which is surprising, because chinks are some of the worst when it comes to this kind of shit
>>539710193You guys never did make the best cars in the world and all of the best European designs are based off American designs. Everybody know Japan makes the best boxer engines and you stupid niggers couldn't even figure out how to cast aluminum blocks until you paid GM to sell you the equipment. This is why your top end hyper cars are still getting their asses blown out by Mustangs and Camaros.
>>539726320>but it's still kind of offputtingJust let the market decide what they want.
>similar toMeaning two generations behind. China has just achieved DUV. They need to build up from that to EUV, then to high-NA EUV.
>>539710053There is no extreme UV lithography machine in china. China dosen't even have a lab needed for producing the required mirrors. In fact such a lab exists only in Switzerland.
>>539727109>has just achieved DUVThat's a few years ago.
>>539724240Yes, that is all good and proper. However, there is no magic happening here. China and Chinese companies are dodgy as fuck and lie a lot. China will be able to build more gear themselves, of course, and ASML will keep on doing what they do. Its advantage is still huge. I will be holding my ASML stonks for years, and I expect at least 20% gain per year.
>>539722221>>539722673The West sent production to China to save a buck, then freaked out when China copies and undercuts products from every company.Even the EU is cracking down shipping from China the same way as the US did with duty free shipping.
>>539728207They're not doing it by choice. They're being forced to reinvent the wheel out of necessity. If the option was available, Huawei would rather buy from ASML. But unfortunately, that not an option. So they invested significantly into developing SME domestically.
>>539710053You can always count to China to save the world from the Jewish plague
>>539710053Did the first worlders really believed that a science powerhouse would not be able to build their own semiconductor machinery and even improving it ( tau scaling ) ?The news should not be ASML it should be tau scaling, western companies are using an obsolete paradigm.
>>539728207>and I expect at least 20% gain per year.2 of the 3 biggest euv customers are in korea and taiwan.I can tell you Korea is living on borrowed time, eventually China will figure out how to mass manifacture HBM, and then Korea is dead.Their artificial DRAM pricing will not have any staying power.As for Taiwan, they will suffer because Dutch demand hundreds of millions euro per EUV machine, while Chinese foundries can access EUV machines for cheap.But there is a probability they can stay afloat as long as AMD/Nvidia prop them up.But regardless asml is overvalued as it is right now.
>>539723770China has a bigger middle class than the US does. Imagine a bean picker trying to shit on other countries for being low wage regimes.
>>539717318Youre brown
>>539710053Should I sell my asml?
>>539730263Nah, they have other proxies in front of them,Korea and Taiwan will be in trouble first before asml will be in trouble.
>>539710053as europeans were so backwards that we can make chip manufacturing machines, cant build a chip factory to manufacture chips?>EU was betting on China's reliance on ASML's lithography machineswhy are they betting? why are they basing themselves on information that they do not know, instead of information that they do know? whats this casino logic? todays high tech is the low tech of tommorow. if the eu is so progressive, had they not anticipated that technological progress would happen in china? the chinese are trying to build and artificial sun. why would they not also build chip manufacturing machines? for being so progressive, the eu is very much "betting" on technological stagnation in other geopolitical blocs.some diy people online are making their own functional cpu's and ram modules. for consumer grade computers. todays high tech is the low tech tomorrow. whats wrong the EU commission? what they they do is extremely detrimental to european welfare. instead of focusing on the capabilities of European industry, its "betting" on the lack of capabilities of china, russia, etc.
>>539730622>we can make chip manufacturing machines, cant build a chip factory to manufacture chips?Dresden had a top modern 90nm factory in 2005.It got killed because workers cost too much money.AMD kikes abandoned the factory in 2010 and sold it to the arabs, and became customer at tsmc instead.Part of the american planned economy was to strengthen Taiwan/Korea economies against China, and at the same time putting chained handcuffs and collars Taiwan/Korea.Europe had to be abandoned to enact the pivot to Asia.Now the Dresden factory is just a sad look into the past.
>>539729388china still demands developing nation status so that claim is very dubious
>>539731186>china still demands developing nation statusThat's because China is still developing (way past you)
>>539730622>as europeans were so backwards that we can make chip manufacturing machines, cant build a chip factory to manufacture chips?Like Japan, Europe is under American occupation, to the problem of European foolishnes you have to add that European Economy is regulated by Washington, North America declared digital tech and semiconductors as strategic assets and only allows a handful of countries to have such capacity.See how the americans totally destroyed Japanese tech...The reason why semiconductor manufacturing is allowed in South Korea and Taiwan is because those are Vassal states that depends on direct patronage of the US.Meanwhile china is an adversarial power that does not adhere to American demands.Under the American New World Order ( retards believed it was some Illuminati bullshit ) if Europe were to manufacture their own semi-conductors and is able to compete then America would place severe sanctions until all manufacturing is dismantled.The best that could happen to the world is the total destruction of America right now, the world does not want them nor we need them, their greed is a drag for the progress of mankind and now we have the problem of a fascist regime with more than 4 thousand nukes that can be deployed by a senile dictator or some lobbyist within the fascist structure.
>>539729274it's kinda funny if you think about what they're even competing for. >our surveillance device is better than yours!!!>nuh uh!!! we are folding le logic to boost performance so that you can play mobile games faster!!!i don't really get it, tbqh
>>539731585>so that you can play mobile games faster!!!>i don't really get it, tbqhApple lobbied Trump to sanction Chinese phone makers from accessing 5nm smaerphone chips.This put Huawei in danger becuase they were phone manufacturers at that time, and they had surpassed Apple in marketshare.So now China couldn't purchase highend phone chips, they tried to design their own.Apple lobby asked Trump to ban Huawei from TSMC.So now China couldn't design highend phone chips at TSMC, they tried to make their own TSMC,Apple lobby asked Trump to ban Huawei from ASML.So now China couldn't buy from ASML to produce their own TSMC, they tried to make their own ASML,Apple lobby no longer knows how to stop China,Trump looks like a retard who lost the chipwar.China is gradually becoming independent.It all began with Apple and Trump.
>>539710053ASML shot themselves in the foot listening to the criminal American government regarding exports.They should have gleefully sold China their machines and if the USA balked, banned any country from selling chips made on ASML machines to the USA.ASML had the power and shit it away due to white nationalist shithead criminals in the American government. lmao.
>>539731285actually a huge gap has shown up since 2014 where before, china was tracking to overtake the US, and now, they are growing at a parallel rate, never catching america
>>539732305China is still developing,you stopped developing.All you have is GDP from insurrance scams and bankers.
>>539732030you're a fucking retard and obviously know nothing about ASML or how it was created. at least do the minimum amount of research before opening dumbass leftoid mouth. you're dumber than a migger
