Why did Native Americans never progressed past the Neolithic/Chalcolithic (cold copper working) age?Mezo and South Americans forged bronze tools, but they didn't generally use them. North Americans traded with South Americans, that's how they propagated teosinte/corn, sweet potatoes, and tomatoes, tobacco, and squashes. Corn/Maize is the single largest staple crop in the world, and potatoes/tomatoes represent some of the most common and nutrient dense foods.There is tin in New Egland/Alaska/SouthWest/Bolivia/Andes/Mexico, there is Copper all over both continents, they mined for metals on both continents, they have arsenic in insane quantities they even had access to pre-adulterated arsenic copper. All they had to do was smelt it to get arsenical bronze, they didn't even need to add anything, and all less than the 2500+ miles/4000 Km Europeans had to travel to get surface tin from Britan... The gulf of America/Mexico is roughly analgamous to the Mediterranean Sea except is way more fertile. There is evidence of Polynesian traders in South America as well as the Caribbean Sea-faring cultures (Kalinago (Caribs), the Taíno (Arawak), and the Lucayans) so they were incontact with multiple sea-faring civilizations, and North and South America are less prone to disasters than Europe, the Middle east, and Africa. Horses evolved in North America, and took the same bering land bridge to get to Asia/Europe that humans supposedly crossed to get to the Americas. The horses even co-existed with the Native Americans for 20,000 years or so; meaning they had pack animals. So if all cultures are equal and valid why did the most advanced Native American civilization only achieve a Chalcolithic level of technology? (Stone /unforged copper/rare bronze or meteoric iron hand-tools)> Hard Mode no AI: (you will only get DEI dissembling)> Nightmare Mode: no Euro-chauvinism.> Hell Mode: No racism.
>>539717099they were content with their lives/thread
>>539717099>>539717224
>>539717224This is the most /thread of all /thread
>>539717099You posted a picture of a bimbo on /pol/ and you expect an answer other than: COOOOOOM?
>>539717099They turned grass into domesticated corn as an 11,000 year long biological engineering project. There are different ways to get to civilizational dominance. If the Mesoamericans had conquered the world, they might ask why the primitive Europeans never got around to entering the Corn Age.
because theyre mud race mongrel mutts and mutts are referred to as the meek in the bible because they have no soul to inherit the kingdom of heaven, only the earth like cattle
They didn't have horses. Horses are cool creatures you can ride and they activate your thirst for adventure and expansion. Native Americans were kind of stuck in the mud in their own little tribe pockets, especially in the North.
>>539717099America was wiped clean during the last micro nova.
>>539717381the bible is literally jewish
>>539717378If.
>>539717099Just gonna leave this herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV4Kzwk4jZE
>>539717409Based and Hancock pilled. They got set back by a meteor. Left alone they would've caught up, but they weren't left alone.
>>539717099LITERALLY NO ONE OUTSIDE OF EURASIA EVER ADVANCED PAST THE STONE AGE WITHOUT INFLUENCE FROM EURASIA.FURTHERMORE NO ONE OUTSIDE OF EUROPE EVER ADVANCED INTO THE INDUSTRIAL AGE WITHOUT INFLUENCE FROM EUROPE.IT IS A GENETIC ISSUE
>>539717474https://youtu.be/T22YMJlsNTQ
>>539717457jews dont even understand the words>made in god's imageyou have to be a pure european, asian, or african to be in god's image>meek or muttmade in man's image>man laying with another man is an abominationnothing to do with gay sex, god doesn't want mutts reproducing or at least says it's an abomination when they reproduce
>>539717099They were retards. This is not racist but a collected observation of the facts
>>5397170991. 1pbtid 2. Picrel3. You all are dumb as fuck.4. Jews are right about you.5. You deserve to be ruled by them.
>>539717099Wood:eyes
>>539717288Then we come along and hunt them to extinction for their blood
>>539717099> forged bronze tools
>>539717378Wheat is superior to corn in every way except the convenience of processing. Once you meet the logistical challenge of an industrial grain mill corn becomes completely inferior because it's just not very nutritious. The agricultural corn tribes were shorter and weaker than the hunter-gatherers, for example.
>>539717593People in Europe were living like the Native Americans for thousands of years.For all we know, civilization was a fluke.
>>539717099>there were mesoamerican migrations because food so woodland natives should have had technologyIt took 7,000 years for corn to make it into the eastern US
>>539717099>cold copper workingFun fact: the purest copper on Earth comes from Michigan, and is so pure and was so abundant that you could pick up a piece off the ground and hammer it into shape on the spot.Some of this chemically identifiable copper has been found on the other side of the world, hinting at ancient forgotten global trade networks.
>>539717099short answer is they didn't need it to have functional civilization. in north america the possession of land was rarely a concern, you saw at most loose confederations rather than empires, land was abundant and imperialism was simply not valued. go south and you start having more constriction on livable land, more drive to build empires materialized in the maya, inca, aztecs, etc, who were the late stage descendants of previous sophisticated civilizations like the olmec. these civilizations rivaled european states in size and sophistication, but did not face the same pressures that would have developed advanced metallurgy and firearms. instead they focused on extensive bureaucracy and logistics, the surplus production of the goods necessary for life, with warfare serving as a seasonal affair where the lords would gather peasants from farflung regions of the empire to go attack their neighbors with clubs. Because there was such a huge surplus of manpower, the primary battle tactic was simply massed attack with sheer overwhelming numbers. Given time perhaps countermeasures would have developed to make these tactics obsolete, but the arrival of the Europeans ended technological development in that regard. We do know that American civilization was wide-ranging and immensely populous, so the lack of advanced metalworking did not hinder their growth. As you mentioned, they developed through early scientific methods some of the most useful crops on the planet. You could say that this was their technological contribution to the world
>>539717682it's legitimately dystopian to see them being bled like that, although most of them are not killed in the process
>>539717827and "natives" are only the mutt remnants of that global trade
>>539717099the continent had humans enter it 200,000 years after the previous continents, or about 20,000 years ago. meaning they had another 180k of hunting and primitive agriculture before they killed all the buffalo and would require to transition into warlike city states and empire building. this process began in earnest in the 1600s and was accelerated by the 1800s, without serious american intervention they would've had an indian nation between mexican california and texas, sweeping up into the dakotas.there is also a schitzo theory that you need metal tools to start mining for metal to make more tools, which requires a type of precursor civilization that already did it for you, and north and south america were settled much later than eurasia and africa.
>>539717099where did all your tools get you anon?it got you right here, making shit posts wasting your life away arguing with bots and jews. congrats.
>>539717827Your pic is a meth head's wet dream.
>kingdom of heavensolar system, galaxythe meek or mutts shall not inherit anything more than earth, because they're too mongrelized to have a soul
>>539717457Jews follow the Talmud which was written 300 years after the bible. Kikes are not Judeans or Israelites.
>>539717902Yeah :(>>539717990Sadly those massive float copper pieces are almost always cut up and melted down for industrial use. Crazy thought: what if those anomalous huge chunks of 90% pure copper are not actually naturally occurring, but rather are the remains of large stores of mined and purified copper that melted where it was stored during some massive conflagration, leaving behind suspiciously pure piles? The fire wouldn't even have to be super hot, copper's melting point is pretty low, a forest fire would probably do the job.
>>539718149The Judeans and Israelites were also genital-mutilating desert people who considered themselves God's chosen So...
>>539717908>. meaning they had another 180k of hunting and primitive agriculture before they killed all the buffaloHistorically and tech illiterate.You cant kill buffalo (and other large fauna) without horse ridding and/or gun.Africa and North America had (like Europeans described) "seas of animals going for days" because they had neither. While in Eurasia all large animal heards were hunted into extinction by horseriders around 800 AD (+/ ages).
>>539717099Big chief brappers >Imagine the smell
>>539717908there is also a third theory that actually what occurred in north america was rapid decline due to disease introduced by wandering shipwrecked spaniards and portuguese in the 1500s so that by the 1700s they had all reverted into a depopulated and primitive stone aged people. some of this is partially true as some written accounts have survived describing a florida to mexico overland walk in the mid 1500s in which the europeans saw vast earthen worked cities and mounds with huge population numbers, and less than 100 years later most of this had succumbed to plague.we have a similar story in the european context, with greeks trading possible for 1500 years prior to 500BC with european/pontic steppe peoples who preferred to trade animal furs, hides and slaves rather than work their own metal. hellenism in the 300s and 200s and the roman pacification of central europe began a civilizing process which seemed to coincide with a great migration out of eurasia pushing germanics out of the east, and bless their niggardly hearts they have been trying to go back ever since.
>>539718220weren't they carved out of the ground by glaciers
>>539717099Consider their cultures and beliefs and your questions will be answered. They were a people that wanted to live with nature not dominate it like euros and others. If you can't grasp being simple for reasons other than intellectual, which seems to be your reasoning, then you're just never gonna get it. Take an hour and go stare at whatever nearest patch of grass or trees near you. If you don't feel it you probably are too logic brained in this world. If you do feel the pulse then you shouldn't even need an answer.
>>539717099>>539717099These types of questions are always answered with geography. NA is resource-rich, yes, but something about its wildly diverse eco system made it so tribes could never unify or centralize enough to kickstart that next level. There are too many geo barriers like deserts, swamps, canyons, ect. SA is mostly jungle and one fucking river. .
>>539718434That doesn't address why they're melted, aka "float copper". The conventional explanation is that they formed in the mantle then cooled in chunks and slowly worked their way to the surface. Maybe that is what happened, I'm no geologist, just a crazy person who nootices too much.
>>539717224This. I'd go so far as use this as an example for most of Africa. Africans thrived as small tribes, modernization isn't something they were capable of adapting too, in fact our involvement is a detriment.
>>539718335buffalo have a predator defense strategy which is called walling. they will naturally stand still, let you approach, and then take the lead from the main breeding female or male. if you kill that animal first, they will stand around watching as you slaughter each one. their major predators are packs of wolves which they stomp to death in a 1 v all type fight, or big cats which are ambush predators and wont approach unless in tall grass. this is why that goofy old guy got hurled recently in yosemite, he got close and the buffalo felt threatened and did the usual attack.there was a more aggressive tactic used in the neolithic, which was learned by observing wolves - namely cliff hunting. you chase as a pack on foot into a sheer drop and they will run off the edge, this requires more effort and became a taboo at some distant point in the past, probably due to extinction of the mammoths.dont type to me ever again you stupid faggot.
>>539718619>They were a people that wanted to live with nature not dominate it like euros and others. IAztecs, Incas and Maya were nothing but what you said.
>>539717099They are path-of-least-resistance lazy and they slaughtered/enslaved each other all the time.
>>539718619You know they used to scalp one another and take child prisoners from one another all the time, right? The "noble savage" trope has been outdated for over a century by this point, they weren't all Pocahontas living in beautiful harmony before the ebil Euros showed up. History is always more nuanced and generally unpleasant than you presume.
>>539717099Europeans have been fighting with each other for centuries it's how we became the most advanced at warfare, but we also went through periods of enlightenment that created better societies and living standards
>>539718347Imagine the taste
>>539718646They're not melted, they've been cold rolled by glaciers?
>>539718735Thread is about north American feather heads not south of the border cannibals. >>539718768Never called them noble and idk why you'd even make that assumption or connection to my post other than you need to say something but have nothing but bullshit in your brain cus you're a dick. But yeah, ignore every other aspect of them as beings. Fucktard.
>>539717401Horses evolved in North America, and we're hunted to extinction by the Native Americans, yes they did.
>>539718220>glaciers recede, exposing a a continent's worth of pulverized minerals >the great flood plops its ass directly on Michigan's face, dropping just so much iron and copper where it's piss-easy to collectThe purity is somewhat incongruous but still explicable by natural events such as your forest fire. The refined-copper hypothesis requires additional assumptions.
>>539717706Corn powers everything. There is corn in your gas tank.
>>539718867Elaborate on how ice makes copper melt into big chunks, I don't think it works that way. Glaciers gouging deep ravines in the ground, revealing copper previosuly stuck underground? Sure that's perfectly reasonable, but it's just digging the stuff up not concentrating it in big seemingly-melted gobs.>>539718924>pttttttttthhhhhhhphPost your tits
>>539717099You're so smart man. Why haven't you figured out (thing) yet?
>>539717099Americas land mass is primarily aligned in a north south manner, compared to europe-asia which was east west. This meant cultures in America couldn't spread out as far using the same crops and shelters...Something something Guns Germs and Steel something.
>>539719001There weren't no corn in the indians' gas tanks.
Before 1492 The men hunted and fished all day while the women did the domestic work. The Natives had it right.
>>539717224fpbp. There was still so much natural resources to go around that symbiosis was achieved for the most part.
>>539718994>The refined-copper hypothesis requires additional assumptions.Certainly, it's just a pet theory I kick around sometimes without committing it to a belief.
>>539717099There was iron working and widespread literacy if you believe the Book of Mormon.
>>539719010Copper is soft, it compresses easily and shits out impurities.
>The horses even co-existed with the Native Americans for 20,000 years or so; meaning they had pack animalsThe lack of horses is the primary excuse as to why they didn't progress.
>>539718730Same pattern was observed everywhere. Hunting large herbivores like buffalo without horse wasn't worth it. You can kill them sure. But there was huge risk of you been stampeded after. In the lifetime investment it wasn't worth it, losing 20 years investment to a mad buffalo. Horses hacked this metagame been able to outrun stampeding large herbivores. Again continents without horse riding had eminence herds of large animals ( you really should read memoirs of 19th century African hunters), unlike Eurasia were horse-riders extincted them within ages (bow can kill buffalo or European bison with semi strong bow easy, but it will take minutes for them to die, how would you survive these minutes?).
>>539719010Copper under immense pressure is basically like putty. The rocks will continuously be pulverized into sand and the copper will smash into itself and combine, self purifying by pulverizing the oxides and rocks
>>539719186>if you believe the Book of Mormon.I don't.
>>539719272It's pretty cool how the Apaches adopted horseback riding after Euros reintroduced horses to the continent, convergently perfecting the practice the same way the Mongols did centuries prior on the other side of the world.
>>539717099Short answer: they didn't need to progress past that. Africans lived 10x longer and never progressed past the stone age for similar reasons. And neither ever would have if the Europeans had never brought more advanced technology to them.Europeans only developed metallurgy and ocean-going ships and all of that stuff because they weren't able to just eat infinite corn and potatoes and bison all day.
>>539717224Fpbp. No evolutionary pressure except mosquitos and snakes makes the monkees lazy and stupid.
>>539718924>>>539718735 (You)>Thread is about north American feather heads not south of the border cannibals.This image >>539718335Is completely European man made. They literally had no horse before Columbus to ride. Euro man culture appropriation.
>>539719358That's a reasonable explanation, anon. Thanks for elaborating, I hadn't heard that before.
>>539717457Yeah, sure, lol14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
>>539717684>But didn't use themEarly/crude bronze puts them into a Chalcolithic (Late Neolithic) era.
>>539717099Chugs are worse than niggers and the scum of the Earth, any other questions?>t. worked and lived amongst redskins all over Northern Canada
>>539718957>10,000 years agoThat's a long time. They must've been real stupid if they drove such a useful animal to extinction. Are we sure it wasn't climate change.
>>539719485>they were god's chosen people>now they're not anymorecool, wouldn't it be more based and redpilled to say they were never god's chosen people to begin with and in fact their demonic foreskin-gobbling child-sacrificing desert deity was always complete bullshit
>>539719409>Europeans only developed metallurgy and ocean-going ships and all of that stuff because they weren't able to just eat infinite corn and potatoes and bison all day.Euros had infinite grains.Ocean going ships were driven by aristocracy gluttony for spices and greed of spice merchants. There were nothing about NEED in this equations (that's midwit marxist propaganda), It was all about medieval NEETs (aristocracy) and their luxurious consumption.
>>539719320except the north american prairies were man made, and two dozen tribes encamped and moved with the herds year round. they managed their population, then the human hunters died out due to introduced disease, then the buffalo population hit low millions due to no natural hunting pressure, then much later the railroads brought market hunting once the beaver dried up.to imply the indian did not hunt the buffalo is some weird retarded shit which you got from where? the human hunting of herd animals goes back to the megafauna period in north america. they hunted everything, and wolves were practically tame by the 1800s due to the abundance of meat as market hunting had rebuilt the environment completely, for the 5th or 6th time since the ice age.
>>539717099Check out the muff on that squaw
>>539717099they didn't have animals that could easily be domesticated. The largest population centers South America where around spaces that had domesticated the Llama.
>>539719703Man, Earth used to be much more interesting.
>>539718347>>Imagine the smellHoneysuckle with a hint of sage
>>539717099OMFG WHAT HAPPENED TO HER ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE COCK?!
>>539719001Isn't corn heavily subsidized in 'murica? I don't know to much about how y'all farm but from what I know you could easily be using your land much more efficiently if you just stopped with the Indjan stuff.
>>539719703>the human hunting of herd animals goes back to the megafauna period in north america.Victorian boomers faity tales. Literally NOT CONFIRMED BY ANY TRIBES observed living with said heards in vicinity in the 19th centruy. You cant hunt efficiently any large animals without horse and/or gun. There was mass observation of african tribes in 19th century . they could get scraps with traps ambush hunting but going head to head vs animal was a losing game. >and wolves were practically tame by the 1800sAFTER transition of North American plains tribes to European Man culture of horse riding
>>539718629No, they aren't, that's exactly the point.>but something about its wildly diverse eco system made it so tribes could never unifyI'll accept that if you can explain the multiple SA/MA/NA empires, the Iriqouis Nations, and what that SOMETHING actually is because they would be one of the answers I'm looking for.Saying there is only one river in SA is like saying there is only the Mississipi in NA, or only the Nile in Africa, or only the Ganges in India.Unless the answer is that they were isolated from Europe, then that's just racism/Euro-chauvanism. Though it would explain why access to white people is considered a human right or something.
>>539720255plains indians were trading the spanish for horses as early as 1550s after coronado's expedition, we have written records of apache's exchanging slaves to the spanish missions in the early 1600s. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Peoples_Buffalo_Jump_State_Park>Several Native American tribes have an oral history which includes the First Peoples Buffalo Jump. These include the A'aninin, Assiniboine, Cree, Kalispel, Piegan Blackfeet, Salish, and Shoshoni>With the arrival of the horse, Native American tribes began hunting buffalo from horseback, site fell into disuse around 1700 CEetc.there was a more subtle and important shift due to disease, which took hunting from subsistence to abundance/market economy and that led to the eventual collapse in the buffalo population, without the horse and gun obviously that would've taken longer. from the 1830s to the 1910s you could've lived and saw the buffalo go from millions to thousands in one lifetime. the market trade was encouraged to push the indians into the reservations by the way, further proof they were hunting them as a way of life certainly by the late 1700s but obviously going back forever, since the animal is dumb as a box of rocks and easy to kill. you can literally tip them over when they sleep. poor vision, smell and hearing.
>>539717099Just me or her ass looks strange?
You can't admit that non-whites had driven species to extinctionYou can't admit that non-whites had access to domesticatable wildlifeYou can't admit that non-whites had warfare among themselvesYou can't admit that non-whites had slavery among each other.You can't admit that non-whites had perfectly habitable, thriveable environmentsYou can't admit that non-whites had access to resources need for technological progressBecause to admit even one of these things would shatter the narrative that the only reason these non-whites never developed things like writing, mathematics, post-stone and/or post-medieval age technology and advanced civilization is because of the oppression of the natural world, and later, the oppression of whites.
>>539717618Shut up faggot. It means men fucking men is an abomination. It was a capital offense. Earned the shit-fuckers a stoning to death in the street. Having seen what shit-fucker culture is and does to people/society, I now understand why where younger me bought the stupid "live and let live" psyop that the shit-fuckers refuse to live by themselves.We should go back to tradition.
>>539720983It's just you.
>>539717099Made to be bleached.
>>539720923>plains indians were trading the spanish for horses as early as 1550s after coronado's expedition, we have written records of apache's exchanging slaves to the spanish missions in the early 1600s.>plains savages appropriated superior Euro Man horse riding cultureAnd?
>>539718957They were not hunted to extinction it was the fucking Yung Dreyas impact and global cooling which killed the North Merimut horse
>>539717099>Why did Native Americans neverMongolians are retarded, I told you last time retard it's settled science.
>>539717099It took time for people to actually arrive and populate the continent before being able to start bootstrapping civilization
>>539720538They were isolated from everyone, not just Europeans. People underestimate how much influence came from the Middle East and Asia. For example, it was the Chinese who invented paper and gunpowder first.
>>539717099they didnt need to
>>539719682If it was climate change why didn't it go extinct in Asia/Europe? And why did they go feral and spread when reintroduced to the Americas if the climate changed so much it uninhabitable for them?
>>539717099it's because they never discovered alcohol.
>>539721080>it was the fucking Yung Dreyas impact and global cooling which killed the North Merimut horse>kills horse>spares buffalo>Euro its opposite >buffalo (bizon) extinct >horse (semi domesticated) numbers explode
>>539720211yeah and onions
>>539721315>People underestimate how much influence came from the Middle East and AsiaNo, they just don't want to admit it because to do so would be to acknowledge that most of the seminal inventions in the development of early civilization are completely foreign-derived in native Europeans but independently create in Africa and the AmericasPeople will shit on Africans for not making botes but Europeans couldn't even imagine creating a steady food supply via agriculture until brown people showed them. And even the niggers figured that one out on their own.
>>539721315They traded with Polynesians
>>539717706Wheat is poison to your gut flora
>>539717099didn’t have to. there was ample food available and they could hunt and kill without metallurgy. tens of millions of buffalo roamed the plains and there were clear freshwater rivers overflowing with salmon. warfare between tribes was typical but the landmass is gigantic and there was enough space for everyone.
>>539721580Polynesians traded with both, try again.
>>539721580Most important inventions prior EU science singularity : paper, gunpowder, heavy plough (ok its was probably independently invented in EU ), horse collar (flash TRUTHNVKE) (but its memory holed because nobody cares abouthorse now) were Chinese made.
>>539721454https://youtu.be/cNP73S4whGk
>>539717099Sedentarism/Farming Culture has downsides. It reduces brain size and bodily strength, and then you need to invent specializations to try and recoup those cognitive and physical losses on an individual basis.
>>539717099The one culture theory explains this. All the disparate global cultures are remnants of the civilisation that is forever migrating. They take over a region, watch the locals turn it to shit, and then escaping to the next destination. This could be an explicit cult but it's more likely that it's just smart people who are alive that period in history and who were raised as being part of that culture. Next stop is Mars.
>>539721682>tens of millions of buffalo roamed the plainsagain. Cant be taped without Euro Imported horseriding.
>>539721547Wtf. I remember reading something about globohomo maze fuel but what possible reason could there be for subsidizing onions?
>>539717099I was always under the impression that they didn't like things they couldn't pick up and take with them. it would be difficult to pick up and take your metallurgy equipment with you, right?
>>539717099Because the Watchers/Hellenic gods didn't spread their jurisdiction there, White people were introduced to advanced metallurgy and mathematics by Athena
>>539717099They do not look like that fyi
>>539722218Feminizing the population
>>539717099geographic and cultural limitations. simple but sufficient answer
>>539722283Daily reminder: 4cah is banned in Russia by Putin, all rus flag sare literally , i repeat LITERALLY FSB shills.
>>539717099No horses and they didn't see wheel innovation that important.Horses were the greatest animal for human progress and innovation.Without them, you're doomed.Native americans hunted down their horses and doomed themselves.There's also lack of domesticated animals like cattle, chicken and pigs, which stiffened their immunity to diseases, population growth and productivity.So for injuns, the game was played from the start.
>>539722451Why would Putin ban femboys?
>>539721635Wheat is poison to YOUR gut flora. I have my metabolic issues but wheat ain't one of them. No, you blew out your bowels with malt liquor and glyphosate and ssris.
>>539717099Maybe they just didn't want to.
>>539721580Yeah it had nothing to do with Europe being a glacial continent you fucking retard
>>539722328What are the limitations?
>>539717827so... why didn't the injuns have any copper tools when we found them? Were injuns stupid or something?
An old Indian told me that before the white man came the only thing men had to do was hunt and fish all day then fuck all night, whilst women did all the work. Only a white man could mess that up.
>>539717099Nice ass, that's art.
>>539721167Bu...bu...bu...but all humans are the same species, and all cultures are valid and interchangeable.> Nightmare Mode: no Euro-chauvinism.> Hell Mode: No racism.
>>539722936Copper blunts really quickly, it's not very useful for making knives and whatnot unless you mix it with tin, making it hardier. This is what unlocked the bronze age in the Mediterranean region.
>>539717099Their technological path diverged to something of a dead end. Whites in Europe went through such technological change mainly because of harsh winters. Many natives had harsh winters too but they had already had a fairly successful nomadic lifestyle and so there wasn't enough environmental pressure to drive them to change. Basically they figured it out just well enough that they didn't feel the need to innovate.
>>539723293>all humans are the same species>all cultures are valid and interchangeable.these are unrelated claims
>>539717099You did get an answer kys
No animals that were good candidates for domestication. That's also the reason why they had no immunity to old world diseases. Animal husbandry is filthy business, and it's how we got zoonotic diseases that the European conquerers had millenia of exposure and immunity to
>>539717099>WHY NORTHERN FEATHER NIGGER DIDN'T WHAT MESO FEATHER NIGGER DOBC INCIDENTAL CIRCUMSTANCES. BC CHANCE. WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
>>539717378Conquer with what? I'm pretty sure steel plate and guns btfo grass skirts and stone axes and you cant cross the Atlantic in a shitty dugout canoe.
>>539717378kek>bro, your corn?
>>539723342They say there were 80 million native americans before colonization & disease wiped them out. Where are all the skeletons then?We don't have the whole story of what truly happened in the 1400's-1600's.
>>539723342Sounds plausible, why didn't the northeast, andean, and canadian (non-nomadic tribes) progress then?
>>539717099They didn't need to. They had an abundance of everything. These fucks herded buffalo off cliffs en masse. They couldn't even use it all. Noble savage my ass.
>>539719703You sound like a nigger.
>>539717682i like this one>1933
>>539723834>600,000 German Jews
>>539717099Yep I wood
>>539718924The north of the border ones were cannibals too.
>>539723393No I didn't I just got more reasons it shouldn't have happened.All the answers were "they were isolated from whites, that's why access to whites is a human right"> Nightmare Mode: no Euro-chauvinism.> Hell Mode: No racism.
>>539723628>you cant cross the Atlantic in a shitty dugout canoeThere's records of a party of Native Americans sailing to Britain in like 1100AD. Also a big dugout is...harder to sail than a Viking longship, but comparable otherwise.
>>539717378You must be a jeet or paki. That low IQ reasoning is telling.
> Why did Native Americans never progressed past the Neolithic/Chalcolithic (cold copper working) age?Because, for actual societal and cultural progress, you need stability.The moment a tribe of Indians started becoming sedentary and developing the first bits of infrastructure, another tribe would come and wage war against them. So they usually didn't stay sedentary for too long.
>>539717099this question has already been answeredhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqw527ivrQE
>>539722936WATER STORAGE!!!Yes they were stupid, but also blades weren't the use of copper. Copper was most useful for storing water. Drop a few ingots, an axe head, a decorative copper blade, beads, some wire into some water. Put the copper in any container and your water stays good. It tastes like shitty copper but it's an old method of keeping water from going bad. Like putting silver coins in water. In the Mediterranean copper water decanters were used for this purpose, then lost when civilization fell apart. For the native Americans once the trade networks fell apart the remaining copper was probably just used up and the tech was forgotten.Copper (from a copper container or ingots), vinegar and garlic (or onion to break down bacterial slime layers) soaked for a week is an old secret medieval (effective) recipe for wound disinfection. Wound disinfection, simple water stabilization (keeping boiled water clear). Copper had/has many powerful uses, much more important then knives or jewelry.
>>539723724Bones are just calcium and carbon, they decompose like the rest of the body and can only be preserved under certain conditions.
>>539724267What? That's only true of like a fraction of the tribes, like the Lakota, Comanche, and Navajo. Others like the Mandan, Pueblos, Pima, Iroquois, and mezo/south americans were sedentary.
>>539717099Tenochtitlan was more impressive than anything Nords built when Cortes discovered it. And it was built by people still in the stone age.
>>539723628Read Kon Tiki. A couple of blokes made it from Peru to Hawaii on a balsa wood raft they made by hand with only natural materials just to prove it could be done
>>539717099this question came up countless times and its always the same with you white motherfuckers.you didnt invent shit, it was always jewish people fuking retards.
>>539717099From the thumbnail i thought she had a huge dong. Thanks anon for ruining my evening.
>>539724669Why'd they put effigies on poles like that? I've never seen that before.Strawmen to ward off birds? Visual clarity so you know where your camp is from a great distance? Warning to potential enemies?
>>539724001And east of the Atlantic. Europe was a patchwork of tribal niggers just like the Native Americans until Rome got up in their shit, and then again afterward(though cannibalism did fall out of vogue for the most part).
you would still sit at some camp fire in your wooden cuckshed somewhere in the north, nordcuvk, if it wasnt for jewish people to take you by the hand like a little child.
I don't think it's too-pure copper, lack of horses/livestock, dense jungle or any of that. People would have insisted rice/wheat are crucial to civilization if we didn't know for a fact that Americans were able to develop advanced agricultural societies around maize instead. Same shit here. Someone would have eventually discovered an alternative workaround, none of this stuff is key.I think the boring and probably correct answer is simply isolation. Afroeurasia was larger and more populous which acted as a force multiplier for chances to innovate and spread new ideas. And in the grand scheme, it's not like they were THAT far behind. They made it all the way into the early bronze age completely on their own. So 20k years of isolation and they're only 3000 years behind. On a logarithmic scale, that's basically the same timeline.
>>539724937you never get it even when i tell you. all the inventions we had have just this one purpos.to invent ai.this will become god.this is our purpos.this is it. thats it.all that you wrote was nonsense. this is why you fuking retards always lose.go figure.
150 replies of nonsense.
>>539719685Too based for the brownoid cristkikes on pol
>>539725124Idk the thread's pretty interesting relative to all the usual garbage on this board.
>>539725086you sound like a (bad) ai
off course you goy fucks cant see how retarded you really are, only we can.
you should be thankful that were about to create god, instead you sit there and try to make everyone miserable about it.>its satan its satansatan doesnt exist.you can tell them so many times. if anything this is seth and not satan. some GAYLIUM.
where do you think does graphene hydroxide come from. do you think we invented this?
>>539724937So you needed to be incontact with whites to advance because the polanesians traded with everyone but Europe. That's how they got sweet potatoes.
it literally fell from the sky.this is where the thing comes from that is going to transform all of you and the rock you stand on.
off course you wont see it only when its too late but thats just fine, this is your purpos.stop trying to fight it. jews will remain at the wheel and we will do as we please. you wont do shit.
>>539717099that's a lot of pubes
i tell you what youre going to do. you will talk nonsense until youre dead. the end.
>>539725531>>539725494>>539725445>>539725378>>539725306>>539725202Who asked
>>539719703>>539719908>The dinoSAARs 100% existed goyimlmao, fuckin retards
>>539717099>Why did Native Americans never progressed past the Neolithic/Chalcolithic (cold copper working) age?They were migratory raiders, anon. That's literally it. The closest they came to building a society was the Anasazi or the Mississippians, but that was many many centuries before modern western natives or their interactions with Europeans.
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>>539725398bro ain't no way you're gonna argue Polynesian contact was frequent enough to facilitate diffusion of tech
>>539717859Then why did Cahokia exist, or any of the mound cities?Why did the Mezo and south American cities exist?
Lack of animal husbandry/horses utterly block all the rest of the tech tree.The Wheel? Utterly useless on a not flat terrain and no domesticated big animal to pull the cart.
>>539722515for me it started after a mystery shot in the Air Force. I think it was the first anthrax shot. They refused to tell me what it was. I separated early and was immediately crippled with rheumatoid symptoms IN MY 20s.
>>539725974But it did, thats how agricultural techniques and products from Mezo and South America came to the Pacific islands; they even had similar names...The Māori and Rapanui word for the sweet potato is kumara, which closely mirrors cumal or kumara, terms used by indigenous Quechua speakers in the Andean region of Peru.
>>539717099I gave you your answer, the bottleneck was a lack draught animals. This meant that they couldn't easily transport large quantities of grain. They were developing sea trade on the pacific coast of south america. If they had linked that up to the mississipians by creating tradings posts in central america, then a pan-american trading network might have developed. Without draught animals it meant that settlements that ran out of food couldn't easily be replenished by other settlements, so people were susceptible to the climate of their local area.
>>539717099They had no horses or other pastoral animals on their continent. The only horse native to North America went extinct around 10,000 BC
>>539725903But they weren't especially not in the Pacific northwest, American South West, or Atlantic NorthEast.
Literally all of you except for the ones agreeing with me are wrong
>>539717224So much this, why leave Eden?
>>539717378>bro you're stuck in the Copper Age? >we have the Corn Age here
>>539725398You expect me to believe they crossed the Pacific in a fucking canoe?
>>539717224Based. Lived in paradise, got fucked by Eurofags.
>>539726216They did have them before anyone else.>Horses evolved in North America, and took the same bering land bridge to get to Asia/Europe that humans supposedly crossed to get to the Americas. The horses even co-existed with the Native Americans for 20,000 years or so; meaning they had pack animals.So that doesn't make sense.
>>539725898You think those are dinosaurs?
>>539726382People still do, they are called catamarans.
>>539726795Man, I want a catamaran. They look sick.
>>539722936>so... why didn't the injuns have any copper tools when we found them? Were injuns stupid or something?Wow nobody answered this that OP is lying, "Native Americans" never used copper, had no copper artifacts, despite historians claiming that the ancient copper mines were that of the Native Americans who never used them.
>>539727084Well somebody had to have made this shit
>>539726198uh huh, name literally one other innovation that spread? internet tells me this contact was literally just one event
>>539717099Horses were introduced by the Spanish
>>539717381Ahhh shut the fuck up you mayonnaise monkey, your people smell like wet dogs and your women crave black cock
>>539717099her feet never touched the ground they went right back into her Air Max 95’s in pink and green
>>539723962Who the fuck added that fart caption?
>>539717886>not killedummi dont thin they can regenerate from that
>>539717733Finally an American with a brain
>>539727422Horse were reintroduced by the Spanish.See:>>539726494>>539721454>>539719703>>539718957
>>539717288lol nice1
>>539727221Well that's the point isn't it? What other inventions would they exchange?>They met one time. That's why you can still find ancient Native American DNA in polynesians cause that's how DNA works.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2487-2Also it wasn't just the potatoes, but the cultivation techniques, you don't get that from one class.
>>539717224This. They lacked the Faustian Spirit. To be fair, if I was an Eskimo and eating a diet of sushi and swapping wives with every other Eskimo man I run into, then I probably would be civilization-ally content, too. Granted, I probably would have been in want of some polar bear repellent.
>>539718619Tribes near what is now Boston burned down large forests, selectively preserving older nut trees. This resulted in miles and miles of something resembling British park lands, which are large fields dotted by well-spaced large trees. They did this both for nut collection and to facilitate hunting deer and other animals. Sure, this required some knowledgeable stewardship, but Indians weren't the "ooh nature hands off" bunch we like to imagine.
>>539717099Here is another theory. Not enough lateral transport. Eurasia and Northern Africa are all easily traversable. The first civilizations of Europe were always near the coastline. Trade networks and naval warfare were a large driver for setting up economic, legal and political systems. Let's not forget all early and even modern civilizations in Europe were coastal. It took until the 19th century for a central powers like Germany and Austria(-Hungary) to truly rise to continent dominant levels. There is water and rivers in NA, but they aren't useful. On the east you can sail straight up to Greenland. Great. On the west you can sail up straight to Alaska. Another great option. Compare that with the rugged clusterfuck that is the European continent. There is a basically inland sea with the Mediterranean. There are the Danube and Rhine traversing the entire continent north-south.Europe has geographical features that NA doesn't have. It has a mix of geographical features that no other continent has.This also explains why Africa never got far, Africa is truly fucked beyond comprehension to traverse. They don't even have navigable rivers and most of the coast lies on a fucking cliff.
>>539717099good lust invoking image, didn't even worry about your irrelevant time wasting question. prairie nigger image saved.
>>539717099Because they lived in the garden of eden and had enough food and resources to live comfortably. Just run some bison off a cliff if you're low on food and hides.Also lower population density so they weren't at war with each other constantly for stupid reasons.
>>539717886absolutely dystopian true vampire story blood harvesting op only with no hero to save the day
>>539718359also to pigs
>>539728552That doesn't jive with the Mississipi, Saint Laurence, Colorado, Snake, Chatahoochee, pr Potomic rivers. You can sail straight from the Gulf of America/Mexico to the great lakes with little to no resistance, and the Mississipi is like a water superhighway from the gulf (which has access to all three Americas) to the great lakes, so latteral movement isn't remotely a bottleneck except for the Mojave/Sonoran deserts. But Panama (even before the canal, which just connected the lakes) solves that.
>>539727670apparently they have a convenient hinge
>>539729077Then why did they develop agriculture? And why did they make the mound cities, or any cities for that matter?
>>539717099looks like shes taking a huge shit out of her pussy
>>539722936All of it was owned by a guy called David Copperfield
>>539726394>paradise is when you kill each other over land except when europeans are involvedShut up faggot
>>539717733Except we progressed lmao
>>539728327the faustian spirit is really just the desire to escape jews manifestthey didn't have jews
>>539729547not gonna lie this looks cozy as fuck. just have your own shack you build wherever you want
>>539729547This board is genuinely hovering at an 80iq average. Do you see some of the ridiculous shitskin copeposts here?>muh europeans invaded muh garden of eden and did a genocide on muh heckin peaceful nativerinos! ;( they were so nice to each other before the white man arrived…
>>539728552Maybe this got a bit rambly.>Europe has the Mediterranean Sea (in practice 4+ seas), the Caspian Sea, the Black Sea, the Baltic Sea and the North Sea is 3/4th surrounded>Americas have the Caribbean (in fact American civilizations settled there) and the Hudson Bay (kek)>Europe has picrel many watersheds and major rivers>North America has like 6 watershed, 3 of them in Canada>Europe has all climates within near vicinity of each other>North America is composed of a giant plane (wet), giant plane (prairie), giant plane (desert), giant mountain range spanning the entire west coast of the continent and the Appalachian range>the EU has a coast to area ratio of 12.6 and that's excluding Norway with 274>the USA has 2.18>>539729430You hardly go upstream on rivers. You can sail from the great lakes to the sea. Europe has rivers going in all cardinal directions. There isn't a Greece or Italy within North America. There isn't a Danube riding into a Carpathian basin fostering trade and civilization. There isn't a a great central European steppe facilitating the migration of various peoples into Europe. There isn't a Netherlands that's so harsh to live in they have to tame the waters and create civilizational structures that last centuries.North American geography is 2 coasts and one very harsh gulf. But not harsh enough to still create one of the more advanced civilizations on the continent.
>>539729949You can do that now you dumb nigger lmao
>>539729923So the answer is Jews? Jews are the reason for advanced civilization? Are you saying Jews are a boon rather than a parasite?
>>539717099checked a northern AZ here, the never, ever look anything like that. More like a heavy duty garbage bag filled with mashed potatoes
>>539717099The real reason is that they were cut off from the old world. Ideas like metalworking spread between civilizations. You think a the Mayans or Incas wouldn't adopt metal tools the second they saw someone else do it? For people completely cut off from Mesopotamia/Egypt, they are actually quite accomplished
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>>539717099They still managed to fuck the mutts up pr3tty bad starting with /nogunz and being heavily outnumbered.Also the land was jew free, no need to make coins and shit
>>539717099I see half naked swarthy woman and I must colonize.
>>539717099imagine the shit smears on that brapper
>>539729988>9988Nice.Also attaching the climate classification of North America that shows THREE straight lines. Europe has zero. Climates are more scrambled up. More diversity and adversity that can be tamed with technology creates fractures and competing civilizations.
No firewater and cigarettes to motivate them.
>>539730330tobacco comes from them retard
>>539729773Europeans then killed them for their land
>>539730497I think you missed his point anon. There is a double standard where the lands the natives took by conquest from other natives are seen as belonging to the current tribe by right, but when white people take it by conquest it "stolen".
>>539729988That's just wrong.There are 7 continental water sheds in North America 4 pf which are in the current US, and there are 5 in Europe.NOrth America has a climate almost exactly the same as Europe and Asia in a shorter distance than the old world has. Harsh conditions more favorable to civilization can be found in the Atlantic north east, and especially the swampy area around the great lakes e.g. Michigan. And Europe (excluding russia) and North America have almost identical navigable river systems the only real difference is Europe progressed, and dug canals.
>>539730097So all civilization is a function of white people?
>>539717099The copper empires couldn't get enough tin under control for bronze, and without the bronze they couldn't get iron working started, then they collapsed.
>>539717099You posted this no less than 2 days ago and I gave you a great answer rooted in scientific facts, but you never responded and pretended all the other replies didn't exist either.So now I know this is a spam bot thread reposted to mindlessly shit up the board and also functions as a thinly veiled gooner thread.Therefore the janitorial staff will be notified.
>>539730747I can't count the same on picrel as the amount here >>539729988. You also can't deny the rest of the things I listed. The inland sea of the Mediterranean and the North Sea were incredibly important to the development of cultures in their regions. The coastline to land area is also completely different. Variety of climates is only found in the West which is due to the North American Cordillera, which is hardly traversable. The East of the continent is a binary between Humid subtropical and Humid continental.America has vasts swaths of land without much sea to break it up. The bronze age collapse in Europe was caused by some "sea people". Land warfare is just different. No wonder the Europeans reached America twice before the Americans reached Europe even once.
>>539731192>Arsenical Bronze>Tin was within easy trading distance.>Inca even started casting Bronze from Bolivian Tin, but used it mainly for decorations and ornaments.>Inca never perfected or spread the technology.This raises more questions than it answers.
>>539717224/industrialsociety
>>539731241No answer based in fact was given, you just ignored parts of the question and came up with an unscientific diatribe.
>>539717099>whywar. large scale conflict was invented in the levant, later spread through europe and china. bronze was advanced because people needed weapons. look at what the earliest finds of copper artifacts were and you'll get your answer/Thread
>>539717099picrel
>>539717099Feathernigger women look like THAT?
>>539717099Their lives didn’t require it. They were nomadic pagan tribes that were content and had their hierarchy of needs met. Prior to Christianity they were some of the most feared killers on the planet if not the most. Now they’re just puddles of humans. 150 years is all it took
>>539731486That's because you're missing one, it's in the desert, so that's understandable.The other things you listed aren't reconcilable. The area around the North American inland sea The Caribean/Gulf is much more conducive to civilization The Mediterranean doesn't have hurricanes for instance that ypu must plan around. The coastland in western America is identical to northern Europe, and the gulf regions is identical to China which has it's own independently derived civilization, so that explanation is out. The North American Cordillera is where I live, and saying it's untraversable is wildly in accurate, and was done before my ancestors came by multiple tribes of natives, and even early European settlers. As stated before the east of the continent is Identicle to Russia, Ukraine, Japan, and China all areas that fostered independent civilations, though Russia may have come from Ukraine which may be linked to the byzantines. The sea people narrative was addressed in OP, the rest of that is irrelevant. So no you didn't answer the question, and relied on western euro-chauvanism to answer it.
>>539719682There was no climate change back then because faked numbers hadn't been invented yet.
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>>539717099Squawed.com
>>539732192No, purebreeds have no ass.
>>539731241>the janitorial staff will be notified.Lmao. You must either be new here or returning from a 10 year hiatus. They don't give a shit.If you want to get their attention post something like pic related instead. Be sure to report this too so that I get banned for 15th time today because the system works so well.
>>539720983it's good enough for me
>>539717099>1pbtid>WHY COME?!?!>RAYG BAYTE!!!!!>bot You will never be a human. Tranny.
>>539728552wrong.The answer is racism, and you know it.
>>539720983Yeah, strangely perfect
>>539732657>29pbtidIs this Shitskin cope?
>>539730330>No firewater and cigarettes to motivate them.oh, i'm motivated by that lust provoking prairie nigger image. yum.
>>539729807I 100% believe in race and IQ being a huge driving factor, but there were definitely others. Heyahoyas aren’t White but they’re not nigger-tier retarded either, they’re derived from an archaic brown Eurasian stock. Gooks, basically, and gooks are certainly capable of independently building civilizations after a sort, as the Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas proved.Why they never progressed to large scale metal working technologically is a genuinely interesting question because I 100% believe that, unlike niggers, they could have given enough time.
>>539720983It is strangely round.
>>539731669My guess is that there simply wasn’t a strong economic incentive for it. Violence in mesoamerica in particular was a highly ritualized affair, and maximally efficient lethality was never really the point of their conflicts. Buying izzat for your city-state and intimidating the losers (hence knocking down their izzat) was.
>>539717099>picrelwhy would i even think about betterment when there is no competiotion and asses like that al aliong? just get some meat on the tab... i mean bonfire after a days worth of hunting and all the tribes bitches bending over for ya... it was that simle back in he goodn old days, mind-slaves....sometime your "bitches" would even join you on a hunt... so yo could cream them while they gutted the prey...>you mind-faggots cant even imagine times like that.
>>539731817I think this mic is right. Heyahoya violence was never scaled up the way it was in the Levant/Mediterranean. Being brutal and leaving a psychological impact on your enemies so they’d pay their tribute without complaints was more important than efficiently exterminating them. It might be the fact that adjacent tribes were all genetically related and weren’t diverse enough in language and culture to despise each other the way Semites, Europeans, and Levantines did. Aka diversity is our strength?????
>>539733246That doesn't jive with the inca expansion war or the Incan cival war.
>>539732885Post hand btw
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>>539717099Native Americans literally invented ways so that they had so much food, that it literally fell from the sky, e.g., forestry of American Chestnut and forestry of the Amazon. Only the Natives who emulated dumbass EuroAsiatic methods of farming had collapses due to overfarming, .e.g, the Maya and Aztecs. In other words, nobody actually needs your dumbass technology if they farm responsibly with superior ecological agri tech, which white people barely even bother with, e.g. beavers as flood control. Almost all foods popular in Europe (and which they take credit for) and the United States would be impossible without superior Native American domestication techniques which produced:>Squash / Pumpkins >Corn / Maize >Chili Peppers >Beans >Potatoes >Tomatoes>Cacao>Sunflowers>Avocados>PineapplePic is an actual Native girl.
>>539729958that's truly sad to witness this misplaced heartbleeding modern adaptation of le virtuous savage slopropaganda permeate even here. For the most part, indians' life was nothing but excrutiating misery, total lack of empathy with a touch of murderous rage. The price was high to pay, especially for their women and children.The White man used his will to escape from the animalistic savagery of nature and elevate himself and his kins. Indians revel in barbarism, and since they are weak, they call it fate rather than problems to solve.I invite all the noble savage theorists to read about customs and laws who took place among indians tribes. You are a hunter-gathered and get killed during the hunt? Cool, now your strongest neighbor will kill your children below 10 of age, take your wife as his, as well as all your belongings. Your eldery mother is ousted from your hut, and forbidden to beg, left to die from hunger while looking at your former hut, listening to Grug assfucking your mourning wife who just saw her youngest getting his skull opened in half by a tomahawk. This is what social security looks like in the United States of Natives. Pre-bronze age ultraviolence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l0h8FT-VPw"War made it necessary to take child captives..."
