>>539760751
Maybe this isn't gods only universe. Maybe we're the trash universe and everything here got thrown away. Maybe.

Maybe baby.

>>539760751
God is a dead soldier, decapitated with body burned to ash. New body is being built in a cryotube on a spaceship. Earth is a re-boot camp.

>>539760751
Maybe we're consuming a dead god. Maybe everything including the stars is consumption of a dead god.

Maybe baby

The cope I have is that life is a shit test and if you don't let it break you then maybe there will be a good afterlife. Another cope possibility is that god permeates everything and you are a disconnected part of god who is here to learn a lesson or experience something in your own unique life circumstances. Then you will be reincarnated or return to being god after death.

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>>539760751
>bad thing happen mean god not real

>>539760751
>If there is a god or god's why does he not intervene ?
Why would they care? There's a war between two anthills in your backyard, why don't you go put a stop to it and let peace reign? Oh, because you don't give a shit.

>>539760751
I don’t think there’s a god. There might be something out there, but it won’t be any humans interpretation of it. Too much exists out there in the universe. And every guess people have made at what might be in charge or involved in all of this being set in motion is heavily based on the cultures of a long dead civilizations that occupied little specks of green on this tiny ass planet

>>539760751
>Or did he just write all of this code and then walk away and forget about us and went to a different part of the universe?
why would he even be in-universe?
are you in-game when you play Tetris? no, you just input some commands for a while then go do other stuff
sometimes you just don't play Tetris for months or even years because you're busy with other stuff in the real world

>>539760751
You're on his old minecraft save he doesn't play anymore.

>>539760751
>Humanity walks away from God
>Wonders why God isn't nearby
>Decides it must be because he's an asshat
>Resumes aborting babies, oppressing the weak, exploiting the neighbor.

Notice how Jesus didn't say to refrain from hating your neighbor, and he said to love your neighbor instead? What do you see even out of many supposed Christians? Many of them outwardly pretend to not hate their neighbor, while inwardly gloating that the person angering them will burn in hell. If you're like most people you probably haven't loved your neighbor for a solid 10 seconds in your life and yet you still wonder why Earth is nothing like heaven.

Post theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps

>>539767376
Humanity didn't walk away from God, humanity didn't exist until we ate from the Tree of Knowledge. Before that we were just naked stupid apes kept as a science experiment in some "garden."

The first thing God did to humanity in the story was abandon us, for allegedly committing a "sin" when we were incapable of knowing good from evil. It's like punishing a dog for not paying taxes, says more about the moral deficiency of the punisher than it does of the dog.

>>539760751
>why does he not intervene
Free will, if you aren't allowed to be an evil idiot then you don't have free will.
Just because you can play in traffic doesn't mean you should do it.
But you have the free will to do it regardless.
Just like being a slut is a choice
Or being a dickhead scammer is a choice.
They aren't good choices, but they certainly are choices
And since we all share the one planet, we collectively get to live with the poor decisions of other people (Not to mention our own poor decisions)

>>539760751

Backrooms and Sheeeeit

>>539760751
>If there is a god or god's why does he not intervene ?
He does, all the time. You can see his churches everywhere full of people with his spirit who are trying to intervene in the world. Do you mean, like, come down in a flash of thunder?

>>539768397
>blatantly lies
ok.

>>539760751
We live in one timeline only, God's timeline.

>>539768688
The "free will" argument also doesn't work because it makes God a bad Lord, as a Lord's duty is to enforce basic laws for the wellbeing of his subjects. If a government (or Feudal Lord) was allowing a serial killer to run around murdering his peasants "because the killer has free will," then he/it would be morally/legally responsible for the resulting murders on account of deliberate deriliction of duty. That's why he have prisons on Earth, to remove the Free Will of people who are seriously endangering the life and ability to exercise free will of others. Do we lack Free Will because murder is illegal and murderers are imprisoned to limit their free will? If no, then God could also intervene to stop egregious evils without removing humanity's Free Will.

>>539769063
God destroying evil right now would result in you perishing since you are evil. Would you be fine with that?

Regardless of your answer, Yahweh is here to save His people and that is what He has perfectly succeeded in doing.

>>539768855
Where's the lie? If a child is too young to know the difference between good and evil, then it's not morally responsible for its actions. The Catholic Church used to teach this and place the "age of accountability" at 7, below which children were too young to be held accountable for their actions because they don't even really understand what's going on around them. Logically, the same applies to Adam and Eve prior to eating the fruit. God punishing them is therefore like a parent beating a baby for screaming in public or spilling its milk.

>>539769249
Yahweh thinks ridiculous things like mixing wool and linen or not wearing tassels on your poncho are evil, the whole problem with Yahweh is that his morality is not moral. It hyperfixates on arbitrary taboos and ignores ethics.

>>539760751
If there were a god HE would kill all minorities and immigrants.

>>539760751
God is a strategy gamer

>>539760751
in the future itll be more like hes playing Kenshi instead of The Sims

>>539760751
>Does he enjoy watching us like we're just Sims video game simulation?
God is some sort of Artificial demiurge that the creator or creators created long ago while they played in this simulation but the bastard went rogue and thought he was God. It needs to be destroyed now.

>>539769898
No then that would mean God is a fucking nazi. If he was then he would've let the Nazis win and do their job. He should murder all evil white people instead.

>>539769627
Read the Old Testament through the lens of the New Covenant provided to us in Christ Jesus.

Then you would understand that the command is a call for holiness.

9 “You shall not sow your vineyard with two kinds of seed, lest the whole yield be forfeited, the crop that you have sown and the yield of the vineyard. 10 You shall not plow with an ox and a donkey together. 11 You shall not wear cloth of wool and linen mixed together.

Two different seeds, mixing them results in impure division.
Two different animals, mixing them results in impure division.
Two different fabrics, mixing them results in impure division.

It is a call to not be double-minded, but to remain pure in mind.

>the whole problem with Yahweh is that his morality is not moral.
Everything that is Good is rooted in Him, finds its source in Him. What is Good is ultimately a reflection of Him. To rebel against Yahweh is to therefore rebel against what is objectively Good.

>>539769533
>Where's the lie?
Humanity has indeed walked away from God. Adam & Eve both knew that Good was obedience to Yahweh, walking aligned with Him, and that Evil was rebellion against Yahweh, walking in misalignment away from Him.

They were tempted with the forbidden fruit that would allow them to determine what is good and evil for themselves, which is what every person does before coming to Christ. In effect, eating said:

“I will decide what is good for me. I will not allow God’s command to define it.”

Human history shows that mindset in action.

>>539768397
None of that is true.
The OT is almost exclusively symbolic. Psalm 78 says the Exodus story is a parable. Jesus himself says the stories from Abraham to the prophets are about him in Luke 24:27 which means they're parables too. Emanuel Swedenborg's Secrets of Heaven series goes through some early bible books line by line explaining all the symbolism and it uses references from the rest of the bible to prove the consistency of the symbolic usage, consider checking it out. Although there are youtube channels that are more accessible like 'Off The Left Eye'.

>>539768688
Why enable bad choices anyway? Why not delete all the bad choices, so that only the good ones remain? Why not make things properly, so that they work as they should, so that nobody can get hurt by things not working as they should, like it is now.

>>539770604
>Adam & Eve both knew that Good was obedience to Yahweh, walking aligned with Him, and that Evil was rebellion against Yahweh, walking in misalignment away from Him.
So what was wrong with them that they failed to make the right choice?

>>539770604
The New Testament does teach ethics, which is what makes it strikingly different from the Old Testament, which is completely amoral. Its heroes for example are generally men like Samson, who was renowned for things like killing 30 Philistines to steal their clothes to repay a gambling debt.

It makes no sense under any kind of universal morality, only makes sense inside a Bronze Age society that was at war with Phillistines and therefore regarded any killing of Phillistines for any reason as Good. Which might be an understandably human response in certain circumstances, but not just, ethical or good

>>539769063
>That's why he have prisons on Earth
I think you lost the plot if you think that's why we have prisons.

But sure I'll engage with your misguided take, so lets do a little thought experiment to test your idea.
Lets say God decides to intervene every time someone is about to do a bad thing and stops them from misusing their free will
The result would be that you no longer actually have free will, but rather the added benefit of being constantly reminded that you choices are wrong and then doing whatever God says instead of what you want or had decided to do originally.
Because unlike you, God knows the consequences and outcomes of both your actions and inaction.
It would be the complete and utter annihilation of free will
Because if God intervenes then you are quite literally, incapable of performing the evil deed and no longer have free will to chose (He is all powerful after all, so obviously if God is intervening in your life to stop you from doing evil, either large or small, He will succeed.).

And because you will always do what God wanted for you instead of what you wanted, no one would learn anything, no one would grow in holiness and no one would become any wiser.
You and everyone else would always, constantly, every waking moment of the day, be working towards good.
Everyone would just be mindless automatons doing whatever God tells them at any given moment, because anytime they try to think outside the box they get course corrected.
After all you being five minutes late to an appointment leads to a butterfly effect that fills everyones testicles with microplastics, so even if you often wont have enough context to know why you should do something, you would have no choice but to just do as God commanded of you to prevent all Evil from happening.
Because (You) are also evil and through free will have the potential for even greater evil.

>>539760751
If i were god i certainly would intervene if shit gets too stupid.

>The sims
What a faggot trooned out game

If you want good god simulator, try Worldbox.
It's pretty hard to stop yourself from not causing race wars, unleashing diseases and quakes and unleashing dragons on your stupid creation.
I can understand why god loves it so much.

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>>539762322
>bad thing happen mean god not real
It means that God isn't good. A good, omnipotent and omniscient God wouldn't have a world entirely filled with evil

>>539760751
STRAIT DROP

>>539760751
STRAIGHT DROOOOOOOOOOP

>>539760751
Adam and eve chose freewill

>>539771633
Kinda is astonishing that by chance i can shitpost here all across the known universe.

>>539771707
Case n point
>Bad things happen to good people
Proof is in the pudding

>>539771199
Temptation. To usurp God's authority, the same desire possessed by the spiritual rebels to this day.

>>539771092
This will happen when we receive our glorified bodies. We will be unable to do evil ever again, thank God for that, I look forward to that day.

>>539771368
Jesus Christ is the incarnation of Yahweh, to know the Son is to know the Father. Yahweh is the author of both the Old & New Testaments and he's divinely inspired (guided) human scribes to write down His books with His Holy Spirit.

It is why Jesus Christ says that all the laws and the prophets and the writings hang on Two Commandments: to love God with all of your heart, to love your neighbor as yourself.

>Its heroes for example are generally men like Samson, who was renowned for things like killing 30 Philistines to steal their clothes to repay a gambling debt.
We are not called to become like Samson however, we are called to become like Jesus Christ, to become like Yahweh. Samson among the many others are all-too-human characters with their moral failings, over and over again we are shown how humanity is ultimately self-destructive and how we need God to save us from ourselves.

>>539771707
>A good, omnipotent and omniscient God wouldn't have a world entirely filled with evil
Tree of knowledge of good and evil
Proceed to use knowledge of evil to do evil
God told Eve not to eat from it for a reason, but here we are
Unless your point was "God should just have rewound time and stopped Eve from listening to the snake, instead of letting her and Adam learn from their mistakes"

>>539760751
Gods aren't here to make you comfortable.
You are here to become as close to Them as possible, but so are others and most of them are living outside our solar system.
> 1pbtid OP with samefagging fp
good enough

>>539771983
It is why all descendants of Adam's corrupted seed are doomed to perish, it is why we must become born again of Jesus Christ's incorruptible seed.

>>539772004
>the perfect and good God
>made broken rebellious humans that disobeyed him
Why didn't God just make Adam and Eve properly? If my dog disobeys me, then I have failed as a master, and I didn't personally design every atom of the dog like God did to his creations

>>539760751
Free will.

>>539760751
When is the last time you intervened to stop the suffering inside an anthill?

>>539772157
Its like saying why launch supreme commander and play with nobody, no enemy AIs, its just you, alone, on the map building for no reason. Like cmon bro

>>539772017
>You are here to become as close to Them as possible,
Why would i want to be close to someone who wants me to get hurt?

>>539772043
Absolutely mindbroken by jewish fairy tales

>>539771556
So then by that logic, Yahweh was wrong for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah because he took away their free will by intervening to destroy them for attempted angel rape.

Again the problem with Yahweh is that his morality is not moral, he will intervene on behalf of unrapable supernatural angels but not on behalf of human children on Epstein Island. That makes him a Bad Lord by any objective standard, but Yahweh doesn't do objective standards in the Old Testament. Job asks him for some and he basically responds, "shut up, I'm strong so I do what I want" (who can catch Leviathan? etc)

>>539760751
You are God. You abandoned yourself because you forgot who you are.

>>539772291
> why would I want to overcome my suffering
You don't have to.
You can stay here as long as you want to.

>>539772157
Adam & Eve were not created as broken. Our fallen nature alongside the fallen state of Creation came through Adam's sin. Everything broke because of us and our desire to usurp God's authority. Thankfully, God continues to work with us, He continues to save His people day by day.

>>539772334
What is the point of sowing anger & hatred here?

>>539771983
>Temptation. To usurp God's authority, the same desire possessed by the spiritual rebels to this day.
Why were they created with a flaw? Why make them worse than they could have been?
>>539771983
>This will happen...
Why not make it like that from the start? Why not make them properly, so that they wouldn't fail, as opposed to making them in such a way that they did fail?

>>539772472
>Our fallen nature
And this is the result of?

Wheat and tares nigga.

Matthew 13:24-30
King James Version
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

>>539772439
>overcome
So if i overcome my suffering, does that mean that i won't ever suffer again? Why did God want me to suffer?

>>539760751

Try dmt

>>539760751
you have an anthropomorphized conception of god
god is incomprehensible and beyond all

>>539772419
schizo. take your meds.

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>>539772253
You're correct however the logic that follows from this then is-
>God created Adam and Eve knowing and planning for them to rebel
>because it's more fun this way
>God planned on all of humanity and animals being cursed with death and suffering
>God planned on those babies getting cancer
>because it's more fun this way
Again this means that God is not good. He is amoral at best

>>539772472
>Adam & Eve were not created as broken. Our fallen nature alongside the fallen state of Creation came through Adam's sin. Everything broke because of us and our desire to usurp God's authority
Why didn't God just make proper humans that actually respected his authority?

>>539772439
I do not want to suffer. Yet i am forced to. I can't avoid it. What are my options? I have none.

>>539760751
coolhole is a glowie psyop

>>539772579
>Why did God want me to suffer?
Because, useless, entitled nepo babies have no value.

>>539772472
>Adam & Eve were not created as broken
Well they didn't work as they should, so something must have been wrong with them. What was it?

>>539760751
Every fucking living thing on this planet is trying to survive and getting fucked in suffering and agony anyway.
We are no different.

>>539772472
>Our fallen nature alongside the fallen state of Creation came through Adam's sin.
Wrong. Eve is the one who committed the sin. Adam was deceived into going along with it cuz he was a simp. Read the fucking book.

>>539772650
Walk straight to the ukranian border and close your eyes when you hear the bzzzzzzzz

>>539772157
>>539772641
>Why didn't God just make proper humans that actually respected his authority?
Because even God couldn't make women who listen to men's advise, must just be one of those fundamental things about the universe.
After all it was Eve who went about talking to dubious serpents and taking dietary and legal advise from them, and then convinced Adam to do the same afterwards when there was no immediate punishment (Mans original sin was simping)

>>539772664
>have no value.
Do you people derive value from how bad you made soemone feel? Does God? Is a human being only as valuable as much as they feel bad? If somebody would never feel bad, would that mean they are worthless?

>>539772475
>Why were they created with a flaw? Why make them worse than they could have been?
They were not created with a flaw, they were fine before being corrupted with temptation.

>Why not make it like that from the start? Why not make them properly, so that they wouldn't fail, as opposed to making them in such a way that they did fail?
God did make them properly for the state in which He placed them. They were not programmed to fail, internally compelled to sin, or deprived of anything necessary for obedience. They failed because they misused good faculties by distrusting and disobeying God.

>>539772501
Our fallen nature is the result of disobeying God.

>>539772641
>Why didn't God just make proper humans that actually respected his authority?
Adam & Eve were proper humans who respected His authority yet when tempted by Satan, ended up desiring to usurp God,

Therefore God created New Humans...the Christians.

>>539772754
>Well they didn't work as they should, so something must have been wrong with them. What was it?
They worked as they should, and chose to rebel.

>>539772814
Romans 5:12- 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

>>539760751
>>1pbtid

God intervenes everyday. As God's word is now widely available, in many cases for free such as biblegateway.com, and you still do not go read for yourself then you aren't really looking for God. Imagine you are looking at multiple car wreck with obvious injuries and medical assistance is needed. You have a phone but don't call, and now you scream and talk shit about how emergency services are not there when you need them.
For those of deciding that you know how or what a Christian thinks or make the statement comparing Earth to heaven, the same goes for you. If you haven't read and studied for yourself, then you have just come on here to whine and complain. Honesty, self-examination of your own actions and character, humility, and an understanding of who is Creator and what is a creation. Those things might help you read God's word or even have a prayer answered. You could just go do it right now and nobody but you would have to know. Might be better use of time instead of writing your next post which obviously hasn't changed anything yet.

>>539772814
When there's only one pussy on the planet, a man doesn't have a lot of options. Kek.

>>539772579
I don't know what will happen afterwards, no one does, per definition. I'm not a God, I'm here with you.
> why did God want
Please refer to my original post >>539772017
The name of the game within this mortal plane is to overcome.

>>539772650
Sucide is always an option. Even if you'd reincarnate, you'll remember nothing. Maybe you'll cease to exist completely.
That begs the question. Why are you (still) here?

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>>539772920
>Adam & Eve were proper humans who respected His authority yet when tempted by Satan, ended up desiring to usurp God
Why didn't God create Satan perfect, so that he didn't become rebellious and intentionally fuck up the Garden of Eden?

>>539772920
>They were not created with a flaw, they were fine before being corrupted with temptation.
Well, if they would have been created properly they wouldn't have been able to be corrupted. So what was wrong with them that they were able to be corrupted? If they would have been created properly they wouldn't fail to resist corruption. So why did they fail? What was wrong with them?

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>>539772754
I dunno maybe we have to go back to blaming women again.

>>539772920
There is no "Sin Nature" you papist assclown.
No one is morally culpable for someone else's sin. But we can suffer the consequences of someone else's sin. That's completely different.

>>539773056
>Sucide is always an option
I want to live a life free of suffering and pain. Why is that forbidden here? Why the need to hurt us? Why the hate?

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>>539760751
>why does he not intervene
The order of events has already been laid out, declared and determined. They have to happen in a linear progression of time.

People can't be rewarded for refusing to worship niggers, if God didn't let the j*ws proliferate and elevate the niggers to a position of worship.

By looking at things from your worldly 2-dimensional view, you think people should receive rewards based on things you don't want them to do. I hope that makes sense.

>>539773056
>The name of the game within this mortal plane is to overcome
So God doesn't want us to succeed?

Imagine having to hear billions of people do nothing but whine constantly because they were not made part of an unchanging unfeeling perfect order.

>>539773183
>I want to live a life free of suffering and pain.
Sounds boring. I need my missile porn.

>>539773093
You should read the Bible, friend. God clearly teaches us about Man's fallen nature. This is not a denominational issue.

>>539773068
>Why didn't God create Satan perfect, so that he didn't become rebellious and intentionally fuck up the Garden of Eden?
Ezekiel 28:15-16 - 15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till unrighteousness was found in you.
16 In the abundance of your trade
you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned;

I talked earlier about how the spiritual rebels desire to usurp God's authority. Satan became proud, rejected his creaturely station, and rebelled against God’s authority.

>>539773073
Adam and Eve were not created sinful, inwardly damaged, or programmed to rebel. They were upright and possessed everything necessary to obey God.

Their capacity to become corrupt was not itself corruption.

What was wrong with them before the act? Nothing morally corrupt.

What went wrong in the act? They ceased trusting Yahweh and chose autonomy.

>>539772979
>Imagine you are looking at multiple car wreck with obvious injuries and medical assistance is needed. You have a phone but don't call, and now you scream and talk shit about how emergency services are not there when you need them.
Imagine having the power to prevent the car wreck altogether, but choosing not to. That's what God did.

>>539773275
You're saying that God intentionally made evil for fun?

>>539773348
>Their capacity to become corrupt was not itself corruption.
It was a flaw. They were created worse than they could have been, and then they were blamed for it. It was not their fault that they failed.

>>539773360
What's the point of preventing the car wreck when you're only going to keep attempting to wreck your car?

>>539773348
>Satan became proud, rejected his creaturely station, and rebelled against God’s authority
So God fucked up by creating an imperfect angel?

>>539760751
God is a piece of shit we must kill him to teach him a lesson

>>539760751
If he intervenes we no longer have free will

>>539773348
So why did they fail? If there was nothing wrong with them, they wouldn't have failed. So what was wrong with them that they failed?

>>539760751
>why does he not intervene?
He does.
>...the ongoing spiritual fight (nepsis or agony) against sinful desires, distracting thoughts (logismoi), and personal passions to heal the heart and attain inner peace (hesychia), this very struggle is God's presence in our lives and we are fighting to remove the obstacles that keep us from fully participating in His life and peace.

>>539768688
Is God all knowing?

>why does he not intervene?
Creator-God did an intervene 9000
literally took on flesh in a rescue mission to defeat sin and death for eternity by taking on and becoming sin for us, and offering as a free gift His own perfect righteousness and also to give His very Spirit to all who believe and obey His command to trust Him, so that those with faith in the Lord Christ Jesus will be empowered with the Kingdom of God: righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, humble now in this present evil age, and glorified forever in holy wonder and bliss.
>why does he not intervene?
lol olollol

>>539773522
is there free will in heaven?

>>539773447
>It was not their fault that they failed.
They could have easily chosen not to fail?

>>539773472
Please re-read Ezekiel 28:15-16 thank you:

Ezekiel 28:15-16 - 15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till unrighteousness was found in you.
16 In the abundance of your trade
you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned;

>>539773527
They failed because they desired to usurp God's authority (which is what you've been attempting to do this entire thread, you are repeating the mistakes of Adam & Eve).

>>539768397
You seriously didn't think God expected Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge? Lol.. it's like when your dad tells you not to stay out late, drink and sleep with girls, but internally of course he hopes you do these things to prove yourself to him. Read between the lines.

>>539773068
>Why didn't God create Satan perfect
So here's the thing about Angels/Demons
They also have free will* but there's a catch
Since they're spirits who exist outside time and space, they only ever got to exercise that free will once
And that was when they decided if they wanted to support Gods plan or not at their creation
All the ones who said no fell, the choice forever locked since as timeless beings their will is set (You're the same person four thousand years ago, since you don't so much live through those four thousand years and more so just have the ability to pop in briefly to change something to benefit Gods plan) They don't grow and evolve like humans do, since they were imbued with all knowledge from the moment of their creation, perfect in a sense.
But just because you were created with perfect knowledge of things, doesn't mean you can't still make the wrong choice. (Just look at all the smart people who keep making dumb decisions)
After all if you can't choose to say no and fall, it's not a real choice and not an exercise in free will.
(At least according to Catholic Angelology)
Which also maintains that the main reason for angels to fall, was that humans had the ability to achieve a higher rank in heaven than angels. (We mainly see this with various saints and certain biblical figures like Mary)

>>539773183
Why aren't you living a life like that, who is to blame? Your genetics? A natural disaster? Other people?
What is a "God" to you? A scapegoat for circumstances, by which I mean your parents?
You're yelling at clouds.

>>539773249
Quite the contrary.
Are you a dyslexic drowning in the sea of (you)s?

>>539760751
Most human suffering is caused by other humans. Just stop being a cunt.

>>539773619
Yes but a fulfilled one, they have already decided and can imagine no other way, meaning sinning is out of question and everyone is incorruptible.

>>539773714
now this is mental gymnastics

>>539773657
>Ezekiel 28:15-16 - 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you
So evil is like a cancerous tumor that God accidentally created humans with and discovered later

>>539773619
I don't really believe in heaven like lounging around on a cloud hanging out for eternity. I just think we return to the source. We do have free will though that's why everyone suffers so much.

>>539762071
I feel like this became a prison planet. I also don't buy the
>God let us suffer
Imo god give us the tools and instructions to have a good life. We didn't need to help niggers reproduce
We didn't need to help jews
We didn't need to block technology because boomers are obsessed with muh slaves
We shouldn't need to work that much anymore
We literally can PRINT houses now

Basically, we had paradise and killed it out of stupidity. We CHOSE this

>straight drooooopppp
>stop messing with me D
>seriously man cut it out
>thank you

>>539773714
>Which also maintains that the main reason for angels to fall, was that humans had the ability to achieve a higher rank in heaven than angels.
Yes, this is correct. We will be judges over angels.

1 Corinthians 6:3 - 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!

Why would Satan, a high-ranking cherubim, have to bow to inferior creatures? (This was his thought process, full of pride)

>>539773905
Evil is rebellion against Yahweh.

>>539773619
of course, but perfected in mankind by union with the Holy Spirit.
the angels had free will and were punished for their sin. but mankind in heaven are not merely perfected beings, as satan (pre-fall) was himself created perfect, but still became aberrant, and other spirit beings also disobeyed God and were imprisoned until final judgement. Those who are united with Christ by His Spirit will be blameless forever, as their wills will be beyond perfection being, again, filled with Holy Spirit (angels were never filled or indwelled with the person of God)

>>539773921
Why didn't God make humans smarter? Why create retards that destroy paradise?

Let's compare A&E with and A&E without free will. What are the chances of making the wrong choice for each of them? Chances of them suffering? What are the pros and cons of having free will?

>Muh free will
>But also God is all knowing
>Meaning God already knows what you are going to choose
>Meaning you literally can't choose something else, everything is already preordained in the mind of God
>But you totally have le free wills bro. It just makes sense!
Go ahead and choose what to reply to this out of your own free will. Remember God already predicted your response (or lack of one) with exact accuracy but now go ahead and "choose".

>>539762662
>>539760751
This Planet was probably some kind of experiment. All old histories have these in common
>Giants
>Flood
We are probably some cloned version (avatars) of advanced giants from some superior planet.
Something happened in that planet and we were raided by evil giants (who opposed God, who wanted this planet just for us)
Eventually those evil giants raped women and that's how jews were born
God and his people tried to remove the virus by causing the flood
Then communication was lost somehow or God was killed in his planet, and we are stuck with the inbreed aberration that jews are

Even the whole God = Jesus can be interpreted as Jesus being God's clone

>>539774017
I will be departing now, take care frens. For the ones wishing to come to Truth, it begins with building a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Until next time.

>>539774037
Because evil is too repetitive and not even god can win against that. Jews are constantly miserable so they spend more time making evil plans.
It's why all those simple shows and movies of Good vs Evil were necessary, even villains looked like jews

Basically God gives us the gun, but shooting is our decision.
There is no reason not to go outside and kill all the traitors and then niggers.

>>539774017
>Evil is rebellion against Yahweh
And he made a lot of things that rebelled against him, therefore God created evil

>>539773778
Which part do you take issue with? Since I'm obviously talking about the actions of intangible spiritual beings that cannot be measured by modern science here.
Obviously they would have knowledge of good and evil.
So obviously they would therefor also have free will but what choice could an Angel ever make?
The only choice that ever mattered, will you do Gods will? Those who said no, fell.

>Why does he not intervene
And do what?
>Watching us suffer in agony
We're doing pretty well all things considered. If you had real problems you wouldn't be shit posting on the internet. He's probably just chilling.

>>539760751
>Does he enjoy watching all this suffering and agony?
Wasn't that the best part of The Sims?

>>539774200
>God created evil
God hosted a server with pvp enabled

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>>539760751
>If there is a god or god's why does he not intervene ?
The Gospels give great insight in the first pages. The story of Jesus started out essentially with him spending time in the wilderness for 40 days to be tempted by Satan and wrestle with worldly desires. This is a great metaphor for our lives and the reality we live in: It's a test to see if we're worthy. I heretically like to believe this world is hell, that reincarnated is real, and were fated to cycle here until we figure it out and unironically ascend.

Hope this helps!

>>539774559
>this world is hell
If we're already dead then this is Limbo at worst
Things can always get worse, so so much worse.

>>539774757
>Things can always get worse, so so much worse.
Yeah, you could be reborn as a pajeet or chink. Sounds like hell to me.

It's also in scripture that "Satan is the king of this world". Aka, this world in hell.

>>539760751
i think it's like an aquarium he just checks in on us like once in a cosmic day or two and sees what we're up to. we're like a side project

>>539760751
imagine being a dad and saying to your kids "if you listen to exactly what I say, you'll be happy for eternity, a joy and love your little human brains cannot even comprehend". Then your kids do something to piss you off, so you punish them. but it doesn't work. they keep doing shit against you and you keep punishing them. Justly, of course. not because you're a bad father - on the contrary, you are a just father and you want what is best for them, and sometimes actions have consequences. So after a few thousand years, your kids just don't seem to be getting it. Now it's time for them to go into the real world, and you give them one final chance. You say to them, "here's my son from another marriage. He's actually perfect. The kid always obeyed me, always did good to others, loved more than humanly possible. I'm very well-pleased with Him. You can never live up to Him, but all you have to do is try to be like Him and profess your belief that he's my perfect child, and that's your path to eternal happiness, joy, and love beyond human comprehension." The good child will hear that and say "oh, well that sounds easy. I'll worship this one guy and he's my in." the bad child will say "fuck that, I want to do what I want and i'll face the consequences later."
As a parent, there comes a time when you have to offer your bad children a choice, and if they make the good decision, they'll see how good life is. if they make a bad decision, they will see how bad life is. God gave us a choice and sent us on our way. He still works through us, with us and within us. He doesn't speak in loud booming thunder anymore, but in gentle patterns that only those who seek will find.
Seek Jesus and you'll see the patterns of God's great glory emerge.

>>539773717
>Why aren't you living a life like that, who is to blame?
I can't, I'm not smart enough to be able to avoid making the wrong choices, which results in me suffering. Had i been created smart enough i wouldn't suffer. So, the one who created me is to blame, my parents in this case, or God if we go back enough.

>>539774104
>Meaning God already knows what you are going to choose
Your choice is a quantum super position and only gets locked in place when you choose within our three dimensional time and space reality, God just knows all possible outcomes of your choice and everyone else's choice.

>>539773522
read your fucking holy book nigger
yahweh interferes a fuckton in the OT

>>539773657
>They failed because they desired to usurp God's authority
So what was wrong with them that they did that? Why weren't they created in such a way this wouldn't have happened, and why were they created in such a way that it did happen?

>>539774970
>Had i been created smart enough i wouldn't suffer.
You would just suffer in a different way, the exquisite heights of your mental anguish or empathy burnout.
Or I guess you could be a smart sociopath and then just be dead inside, viewing other people as mere tools to get what (You) want.
Suffering is universal because this is the valley of tears.

>>539775048
>God can't predict the future
Then he is not all-knowing and therefore not a God

>>539775288
>Suffering is universal because this is the valley of tears.
So why the hate? If you love someone you don't make them suffer, you protect them from suffering. If you hate someone however...

>>539775332
>God knows every possible future based on your choices simultaneously and can cross reference with every other persons possible future of choices
>This somehow means he can't predict the future

>>539774912
Why not make better children, such that they would listen to you? Why purposefully make them worse than they could have been? Why make them with a flaw? Why blame them for having said flaw, and then punish them? It's not our fault we were created with a flaw.

>>539775503
>you don't make them suffer,
Read the book of Job, it's not that long.

>>539774912
Or, if you can't make such children, why make them at all?
I don't understand parents. They know that their kids will suffer if they will make them, and then they go and do it. It means that they wanted them to suffer. Why? Why do parents want their kids to suffer? Why the hate?

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>>539761038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cCXsqiMqxo

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>>539768795
>You can see his churches everywhere full of people with his spirit who are trying to intervene in the world
How's that working out for them, and him? His places of worship are being wiped out by other religions while he remains absent. Best turn the other ass cheek to the invaders I guess as dogma dictates to love & welcome them.

>>539768688
Not having a go at you, but why is it that the only people whose free will must be respected by God are the people doing evil shit? Where is the divine respect for the free will of the victims? The children, women, innocents being molested, tortured and destroyed in the most hellish of ways every day on this planet, fuck their free will I guess. If the free will system requires endless suffering and sacrifice of victims to exist, then perhaps it's not a good or divine thing.

>>539772859
Problem is serpent told the truth and god lied. God said you eat it and you die. They didnt die. Good seems like evil narcisistic boomer trying to sabotage his kids. Later he is happy that they didnt eat from tree of eternal life because they would be imortal like him.
Also why even put that tree in garden. Would you put aids virus in to your kids crib and say dont touch you will explode and then when child sees a family dog play with it without exploding and touches it act all suprised.

This seems like a message from a cult leader. If you see me lie dont pry further.

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>>539770604
picrel

>>539774970
Lower your expectations, or make yourself better.
Mind you, the idea of God(s) isn't there to keep you down. That's universalistic fallacy.
Gods are the ideal we all should aspire to. Imagine this life being a game which you can and will replay over and over. Would you get angry if one of these runs will have you play with INT 1?
Or would that be a lesson in adapting?
> God if we go back enough
Abrahamism was a mistake.
You weren't created by a loosh farming archon. You emerged, by your choice, even though you can't remember it now.
Godhood is the target, not the source.

>>539775288
>Or I guess you could be a smart sociopath and then just be dead inside, viewing other people as mere tools to get what (You) want.
So doing everything right makes one a sociopath? Is God a sociopath then?

>>539760751
He is intervening
This hell world is what he wants

>>539760751
you don't remember but you wanted to come here. to make of it what you will. your stay is temporary like everything else in this reality. stop dooming and live a life that produces the best you.

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>>539760751
The Lord makes all things, even evil things. The Lord trieth hearts and at times punishes us for our inquity. Sometimes he allows evil to prosper so that when he cuts it down he can demonstrate that no matter how powerful it gets that it will always pale in comparison to the Lord, and sometimes he claims the innocent to spare them from future suffering.

>>539775668
What happens with the people killed in the name of testing Job's faith? They got screwed.

>>539775916
>Gods are the ideal we all should aspire to
I don't want to become someone who makes people suffer, why would i want that? God could have made us in such a way that we wouldn't have suffered, but he chose not to. Why would i want to be like that? I don't want to hurt anyone.

>>539775995
Why does he need to do that? Is he some kind of performative artist?

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>>539771707
Imagine thinking youre smarter than God lmao. Imagine thinking you can even fathom Gods motivations for anything. You're like an ant contemplating why i demolished his anthill while i was mowing my lawn. Your tiny pea brain cannot even begin to comprehend 0.00000000000001% of a superintelligence such as God. Back to r*ddit dork.

>>539775895
>God said you eat it and you die. They didnt die.
The wages of sin is death. Hope this helps!

>>539771556
What about all free of bilions hindered by evil poeple. God could have made the world in a way that evil never triumfs and that poeple are at least empowered against evil not make a structure favoring liars scammers and sociopaths. Also human instincs he could have made humans brave and honest by default. That would do wonders against evil.

>>539775940
>doing everything right makes one a sociopath?
I was talking about outward success / success within the system in that instance, which has nothing to do with God.
Every system of governance is manmade after all and therefor tends to create more suffering when run poorly. (Which I think is just about every country on the planet right about now, some more than others depending on how blood hungry their parasite class is.)

>>539775897
Problem is that world wasnt this dystopian before mass centralization of power by civilization. All those poeple before and some poeple in modernoty lived nice lifes with agency.
If earth is a torture chamber why is one guy sitting there free with 2 naked girls and a steak while another is being impaled and tortured

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>>539760751
>god

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>>539760751
What is, was, and shall be again

Man is the lightning flash, time is the path it travails. There is no GOD without Man, no Man without GOD.

>>539776041
You're not peaceful, you're harmless, so to speak.
> I don't want to harm anyone
Taken to the extreme, you can't kill yourself because that would harm those you hate. Nonsense.
That cow steak you had for dinner - suffering. That one ant you squished today - suffering.
That one anonette you ignored - suffering.
That one chance you haven't had taken etc.
This isn't a zero sum game. Everything suffers, that's the prime mover of change for the imagined better i.e., evolution.
The ability to feel pain is a gift, not a curse.
If you can't motivate here and now, imagine getting reincarnated as a legless Vietnamese rice farmer in 14th century.
This is the best you ever had it, simply because you have managed to be alive in CY+20.
Again, the alternative is simple. A bit of rope, some lubricant, a pen and a paper. A scribble followed by a squeak and all is over.
And yet, you're here. For a reason.
Make the most of it.
If you can't live to love your people, then die hating their enemies.

>>539776335
Pretty much, you can tell the Elite is fucking obsessed over what the slaves are doing, others like that ugly youtuber even paid some whore to seek validation, even Musk seems like a loser to me despite the money
Imo you can't enjoy life unless you have a soul
We have a soul which is why we are not obsessed with owning slaves or control someone, but unfortunately we live in shitty conditions because the parasite class is way too big for the planet to work.
I mean what's going to happen after the last white generation die out? Just infinite jeets, niggers and inbreed jews hiding in bunkers? Wtf kind of hell is that?

>>539776039
>What happens with the people killed in the name of testing Job's faith?
Considering how much God hypes up Job at the beginning, his servants and sons etc are presumably also pretty great and just got to go to heaven early.
Arguably getting off way easier than Job who had to go through all of the tortures and boils afterwards.

>>539775594
It's a word salad to try to have your cake and eat it too. Knowing every possibility doesn't mean actually knowing what is going to happen and that's the flaw in your position. You are stating he knows every possible outcome but not the actual outcome. If he doesn't know the actual outcome then he can't predict the future and therefore he is not all knowing.
There is no way to reason out of the free will vs omniscience paradox.

>>539776554
>Just infinite jeets, niggers and inbreed jews hiding in bunkers? Wtf kind of hell is that?
A time of tribulation
Read up on how small our population got during some of the ice age periods.
Their shit system will collapse like every empire eventually does when it overstretches itself and then gets tested on too many fronts.
Probably some famine ahead, which usually leads to disease, then some more war because we can't ever get enough of that.
Always easier to blame the neighbor and redirect the angry population towards external forces.
But it'll pass
And we'll probably get another generation that knows the horrors of war and then work exceptionally hard on creating a future for their children where they will never have to endure such hardships.

>>539775632
Because He already has angels who must obey Him. He gave us free will and we fucked it up.
>>539775784
It's not hate; it's justice. Most liberal children don't understand because their parents let them do whatever they want, but a just parent will raise their child to understand good and bad, actions and consequences. Why make humans at all? For God so loved the world, my brother.

>>539776627
>There is no way to reason out of the free will vs omniscience paradox.
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

>>539776546
>The ability to feel pain is a gift, not a curse.
Oh a gift, is it? It would be better had i not been given this so called gift. But whatever... Are you enjoying your gift of feeling pain? I sure am not.
I don't think i have anything to say to you anymore, you have showed your true colors.

>>539776860
>Why make humans at all? For God so loved the world, my brother.
So big was his love that he decided to make us suffer? Cut the crap, anon. If you make someone suffer that's not love, that's hate. If you love someone you make them feel good, not make them feel bad.

> There is no way to reason out of the free will vs omniscience paradox.
The nonexistence of completeness proof and criteria within our level of Chomsky's hierarchy doesn't preclude their existence in levels above ours.
Meaning, the "future" and the "omniscience" here can be achieved without achieving the same on a higher level.

>>539777194
Good night to you, anon.

>>539777194
>Are you enjoying your gift of feeling pain? I sure am not.
Every time I feel like that I remind myself that there's a medical condition where you are incapable of feeling pain.
The two cases I remember had one woman who as a little girl just shoved her hand into a pot of boiling water, because she wondered what it was and didn't get a pain response (Fortunately her mother was nearby and pulled her hand out before it cooked off).
The other was a guy who accidentally chewed part of his tongue off as a child.
Leprosy also greatly dulls your feeling of pain, that's why their fingers and toes "fall off" actually, damage to themselves (And rats eating them while they sleep)

>>539777317
So because your child might accidentally hurt themselves with a powertool when they grow up, then it would be better to not have children at all?
Cut the nihilistic, self pitying anti-natalist bullcrap.

>>539776843
But the thing is in a few years zoomettes will be premenopausal. White alpha gen barely exists and those existing are vaxxed and need to survive being stabbed or groomed. There is a reason why young girls look fucking dead inside, they literally can't find enough people their age and race to have a normal life with.
Before girls used to have their white girls group and talk about crushes with white boys. Nowadays current girls need to avoid jealous nigger women and brown men look like shit no matter how many trillions in propaganda jews pay.
Hell the reason I think k-pop became so big is because jews killed the cute white boys band and kpops lack niggers, so deep inside they are looking for "pretty white skins".
I honestly think jews fucked up this time and deep inside they know it because they can't stop making those desperate articles about muh evil white incels will totally make whites move and remove the niggers for them and of course keep them safe as slaves (think of it like the totally not wishful thinking Handmaid tale series)

If something you are about to do will cause anyone, you or someone else, to feel pain and suffer, then it is not the right thing to do, and another, better thing, such that it DOES NOT cause you or anyone else to suffer, should be found and done. If something causes you to feel pain and suffer, then it CAN NOT be called good. Only things that do not cause pain and suffering can be called good, and only such things should be done.
God failed that.

>>539777583
>So because your child might accidentally hurt themselves with a powertool when they grow up, then it would be better to not have children at all?
Yes. Because i don't want them to suffer, because i'm not evil. and i can prevent that, it is in my power. So if i can REDUCE the amount of suffering, then that's a good thing.

>>539777092
Free will vs omniscience is not a trivial question. It's an inherent contradiction and a check-mate on almost all God believers.
>>539777323
That's just a way of saying God is illogical. Do you bite that bullet? Do Christians bite it? I don't think so.

>>539777602
> the sufferer will always tell you about his pains
> but never about the cause
that's it
race war is cancelled
no more suffering, no more tears

>>539777732
I guess we have a real "My bloodline ends with me" in the wild.
But it's a pretty sad cope.

>>539777583
>accidentally
Well the thing is it wouldn't be accidental. They would be GUARANTEED to suffer, as soon as they would have been born. It's too late then. I am not good enough to be able to make my children so smart that they would be able to avoid all suffering. So the only way to prevent them from suffering is by not having any.
Why would i want anyone to suffer and feel bad? I'm not evil.

Don't you people have empathy? Why do you want others to suffer? Why do you want them to feel bad? Do you just not care?

>>539777754
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy
Christians don't care about formal logic, but then, neither do you.

>>539776537
I hope our god gets fucked to death by his god

>>539777933
So why didn't God create us smart enough so that we would be able to avoid all suffering? He could but he chose not to right? Why? Why the hate?

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>>539760751
>If there is a god or gods, why does he not intervene ? Does he enjoy watching us like we're just Sims video game simulation? Does he enjoy watching all this suffering and agony? Or did he just write all of this code and then walk away and forget about us and went to a different part of the universe?

cancer smeagol

>>539778032
I was taking your objection one step further because the simple argument that we don't have the words to explain it is trivial and boring and it's better to say we don't have the logic at which point you are basically conceding God is illogical insofar as we operate under our understanding of logic.

>>539777933
>I am not good enough to be able to make my children so smart that they would be able to avoid all suffering.
>avoid all suffering
Pissbaby you seem pretty content to endure the suffering of life so you can shitpost on a mongolian basket weaving forum.
Otherwise you would have anhero'd already.

Now let me ask you
Why would you want weak offspring who can't handle adversity?
The general rule of parenting is that you want your kid to get bruises, not broken bones.
We grow from adversity
We learn from failure
Unless you're literally incapable of self reflection

>>539778671
>Why would you want weak offspring who can't handle adversity?
Now let me ask you why would you design a world with adversity in the first place? So that you could then make people feel bad? Why? Why the hate?

>>539778813
>Didn't answer the question
I shall extend you the same courtesy

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>>539778410
From this POV, you're exactly right.
Ants don't have words to describe our concepts, just as much our internally logical behaviour might appear cryptographically random to them.

>>539778671
>grow
Does grass grow if you keep stepping on it? Or does it wither and die? Go to your nearest park to check.
I have never grown, in any sense of the word, after i have been suffering.Suffering brings me down and takes all the will to live from me. If you suffer it means you have failed, where is the growth in that?All i've learned is that somebody hates me, and i know how to do things the wrong way. I still don't know how to do things the right way, so i have gained no useful knowledge. If i can't avoid suffering with it, then that knowledge is useless.
You people don't seem to want to do things the right way. You've all just given uip. You don't want to improve the quality of life by reducing suffering, you want more suffering, so that people feel bad. You don't want progress, you want status quo. You would fight against the elimination of all evil, so that people can keep suffering. You're all the same.

>>539760751
I like how nobody still believes that there is a God and he's benevolent.

Nobody in the world still believes that, everybody is doing mental gymnastics to figure out what ELSE could be true, since we know THAT isn't true.

>>539760751
>Does he enjoy watching us like we're just Sims video game simulation
Probably
I like taking the ladder off pools too when I play Sims

>>539760751
What if he's simply not actually paying attention? I mean, aren't you already suggesting that it's quesitonably why god would watch this shitshow? That it would be wiser not to? It's way worse than The Sims, bro.

>>539768688
>Free will
He sounds like a total libertarian faggot.

I'm terribly disappointed with everyone. Nobody wants to fix things. They might admit that things aren't as they should be, but suggest something that might fix it and you get such resistance paired with incredible mental gymnastics on why we must keep things going like that so that people keep getting hurt and feeling bad that it's unbelievable. I sometimes get a feeling i'm living in a world full of masochists with Helsinki syndrome that are trying to out-compete each other in who can make themselves and others suffer more while pretending that they don't and that everything is fine. It's mind boggling. What is wrong with you people? It's so sad.

>>539779873
True, must be some socialist thing that in reality isn't free at all.

>>539779936
People are fundamentally subservient to authority and rigidly adhere to whatever is the culture norm or peer view.
At least there's a distinct trend towards this.
There's also a "not my problem" component. Is it worth to personally become a martyr for that shit? Someone else should do it.
>so also a sort of bystander effect
A fair portion would never do anything against the status quo unless they are forced to.

>>539760751
Yes we are at Yahweh universe and he loves when we suffer, his tastiest desert was young virgin human females and for males he prepared nothing but suffering for decades instead of swift death of females.

>>539760751
>intervene
If he's god and he made it to work the way it works why in the fuck would he intervene to stop his own creation from working the way he meant it to work?

>>539780388
I think the question is why is he such an asshole

>>539780388
Which notably also doesn't imply that he'd even watch that shit. Doesn't he basically already know what will happens?
>a lot
So who cares. It's quite a far fetched idea that the world was created with some particular end-goal in mind.
>in the end, after the final battle, all existence in summary was good and the lord redeemed the earth
Now I'm not saying they copied Tolkien but it sounds like something out of Tolkien for a reason.
>sounds like fucking mythology
Worse even, it sounds corny as hell. Wishful thinking much?
>there will be no happy ending

>>539776546
>Everything suffers
So? That doesn't make it ok. We should be fixing it, not perpetuating it.
If you feel pain, that means that what you're doing is wrong. Not RIGHT! If you do things right you do not feel pain as a result. So it's only logical to do things that do not cause you pain and do not do things that do cause you pain. We want to do things the right way, not the wrong way.
So why would God make beings that can do things the wrong way is beyond me. It makes no sense at all, none. Not only that, he made beings in such a way that they are unable to do things the right way every time. It seems that it is forbidden to make the right choice every time here.

I always figured God (or whatever entity) coded our world like a gaming experiment, saved his progress millions of years ago and just left us here to fend for ourselves. God (or whatever entity) is busy doing some other inter-dimensional shenanigans while all of us sims wonder what's going on.

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>>539760751
>why does he not intervene

He does intervene, to make sure good has no power and that his special chosenites have an all you can rape buffet of little boys.

>>539760751
>If there is a god or god's why does he not intervene ?
he already did in the person of Jesus, taking your sins upon himself.
he is waiting for you to repent and turn back to him.

>>539780705
Suffering isn't quite as bad as you make it out to be.
Now there are some rather unpleasant instances of suffering of course, that naturally people would rather want to avoid, but if I start poking you with a needle, well, it's definitely kinda unpleasant but you'll be perfectly fine later on.
Do you want god to stop you from accidentally putting your hand on the hot stove plate? It's a bit much to ask.
>noooo, it shouldn't even be possible to touch the hot stove plate!
Well idk then put one of those fireproof blankets over it or something? Why does god have to do that for you?
>NOOOO, he must restrict the range of motion of my arm so it cannot happen under any circumstances
>???

>>539760751
I always wonder how those 100k a year with their useless degrees pay off.

I mean this is stupid rage but usually there is a kernel of truth.

>>539772814
>makes Adam the keeper (meaning protector) of the garden
>Adam lets strangers talk to his wife

>>539780882
Actually a fair argument.
>the world is like an idle clicker game for god
Why would he actively play that shit? There's infinite things to click so where does he even start?
answer: he doesn't
>he just kept it running for millions of years and is level 8362829300 by now

>>539780947
>he is waiting for you to repent

For what? I didn't directly cause the rape of a countless number of little boys by forgiving kikes and permitting them to continue existing here. He did.

>>539773918
>like lounging around on a cloud hanging out for eternity
you have the roman catholic false teaching of heaven in your head.
Revelation ends with Eden being restored and God living among his people here on a new earth.

>>539776546
>Everything suffers, that's the prime mover of change for the imagined better i.e., evolution.
See
>>539777602
>then it is not the right thing to do, and another, better thing, such that it DOES NOT cause you or anyone else to suffer, should be found and done.
You've all been tricked into thinking suffering is the only way, and are now fully invested in it and can't admit you're wrong and would rather make everyone suffer even more than try the other way. No wonder the world is so fucked up if everyone believes that everyone should suffer.

>>539781123
then why do you want to be counted among the transgressors.
imagine ending up with the jewish pedophiles in the lake of fire because you were to stubborn and proud to repent of you own transgressions.

>>539780949
>Suffering isn't quite as bad as you make it out to be.
>>539779242
>You're all the same.

>>539780926
The schwartzschild radius of the known universe is pretty much exactly of its mass.

>>539781205
I mean in a way he already repented by being frustrated he hasn't personally done a certain thing with the kikes.
Although it's probably not appropriate to get angry at God because of that so he might still have to repent for that.
>plot twist: god didn't do it so you could, but well, as listed here in your list of transgressions you didn't

>>539779936
Problem is that poeple that want to controll other poeple even if half of nation starved and everyone lived in sewer stay in power and promote covardly slaves as population. Even if that empire gets conqured due to sqwashing curiosity and merit by some more egalitarian warrior band they kiss ass give food gold and women to anyone thats wlling to rule them just so they can keep bureaucracy going.

Hunther gatherers used to kill poeple like this but with civilization number of narcisists/psyhopaths + covardly slaves exploded.
Under centralized bureauceacy everyone curios and egalitarian dies narcisists and shit flinging greedy slaves thrive.

Thats why i said humans need to be brave and honest. Liars and narcisists need to be killed as children. Covards need to be removed from gene pool and power needs to be decentralized.

>>539781205
>imagine ending up with the jewish pedophiles in the lake of fire

No one belongs there more than god does

>>539781252
Would you even be able to tell when you're not suffering if suffering didn't exist?
If there was only one state you could be in that would simply be "normal" and why would it appear anything but normal to you?
>you're happy forever but don't notice because that is your eternal default state
And no, we can't simply reduce this from Suffering - Neutral - Happy to Neutral - Happy. Neutral would become the new suffering, in effect.
As such some degree of suffering is necessary, but definitely not an extreme amount.
Take physical pain for instance. Why do you think it exists and what does it do?
Pain is northing but your brain's interpretation of the damage signal your body sends: it is trying to alert you that you're stepping on a piece of LEGO(tm), a real nasty one.
Should it not do that?
>but it feels unpleasant!
Well yes, would you stop doing it if it felt "good"?

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>>539781522
>Hunther gatherers used to kill poeple like this
Or made them the chieftain during harsh times when they picked up raiding other tribes to survive
Bad times aren't a new thing and neither are changes in weather patterns
Why do you think these people tend to end up in leadership positions? Because they're ruthless.

>>539781393
>Although it's probably not appropriate to get angry at God

Why? Why wouldn't you get angry with someone who mistreats you and has no respect for your free will? That's called stockholm syndrome.

>>539778671
Nigger do you know any history. You had poeple in ancient greece diagnosing the problems that keep repeating even today. What is there to learn from that.
Look at china or india. Imagine being born a pajeet. For last 3000 years there was no way to escape your caste.
What wisdom did pajeets gain from thousands of years of slavery. Izzat?

>>539781921
He's not actively responsible for it by any means. Surely you can find guilty parties other than God? Is George Soros mentally torturing you an agent of God's will?
In no instance is it God himself doing it.
But originally you were getting angry about God's passivity.
>why didn't he do X if he could do anything
The best answer might be that he does not intervene in principle, or, if you want it more theologically compatible, only in particular cases and in specific ways.
That's not 100% in line with scripture but that wasn't written by God either.

>>539781542
why? what makes you so angry at God?

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>>539781921
Being angry at God is like being angry at the wind or the ocean.
If you must be angry at something, be angry at the crappy systems of control we humans have put together.
We built this hell for ourselves
It didn't need to be like this

>>539781659
>If there was only one state
Why not two, neutral and good? None of that bad shit to ruin everything. Or how about colors of good? You can choose red, you can choose green, blue... Just not bad, ok? Can you leave bad outside? Better yet, delete it altogether, so that the mistake never happens again, ok? Could we do that?
No?
You're all the same. You just HAVE to find something bad and try to smuggle it inside. You will say all sorts of things, perform incredible, intricate, epic both in length and detail, mental gymnastics, so that one will get tired of debating.. But never will you just say
>OK, no bad things
You're all the same.

>>539779022
It's perfectly valid to solve the problem by claiming that God exists beyond logic and is therefore illogical from our pov BUT there's no way the average God believer and specially a Christian concedes to that because they believe there's something magical and supreme about the Logos. That's why it's impossible to solve this paradox from their perspective.

>>539781812
>Or made them the chieftain during harsh times when they picked up raiding other tribes to survive

Not really. If you pick a narcisistic liar as chief you get killedby other tribes because hebis not competent and he doesnt have thousands of soldiers to loose.
He either gets killed at sleep of ehole tribe dies.
There is a reason 97% of humans arent narcisists or psyhopaths. Evolution favored the normal poeple. In big organizatons these poeple thrive until they destroy everything.

>>539782237
>Is George Soros mentally torturing you an agent of God's will?

Yeah. God is holding the scale down in the favor of people like that. And when any kind of organized force of righteousness tries to fight back and make the world a better place, he intervenes to stop it and keep this place a loosh farm.

>>539782242
>what makes you so angry at God?

Same thing that makes me angry at a judge who lets a muslim child rapist walk free, only on an astronomical scale.

>>539782517
what makes you think these people walk free?
are you out of your mind?

>>539782517
Impotent anger is poison to the soul

>>539782565
>what makes you think these people walk free?

I have these cool things called eyeballs.

>>539782651
harm/poison to your soul is already the forgone conclusion of an abusive captor who doesn't care about your free will. You don't get a choice. The only reason he gave us free will is to torment us by denying it.

>>539760751
>>539761038
the demiurge is in charge here
god is pleroma