As long as i hate it, you can't have any anti communism arguments without gorbillion dead (whose authors write about holocaust btw), and rageous ad homiem.
>>539763879Now, who does that person support in the Ukraine war?
>>539763879>43 000 suggestions. how many were listened ?
constitutions dont matter
>letting 55 representatives of their communities do their job is less democratic than forcing everyone to go to moscow
>>539763958Russia action is capitalistic imperialist but Ukraine backed by imperialist Nato is not better bla bla, and everything would be solved if the world is communist
>>539763879What happened to the USSR?
>>539763879the revolutionaries never step down from power, always becoming the new nobility.Communism in practice is always just a form of Moharchism
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>>539764041All of the Jewish ones yes
>>539763879if OP could read, he would understand all of the ironclad arguments he has undoubtedly seen before and would no longer be a communist, as he would recognize that Marx himself was an incoherent retard who was also an illiterate jew
>>539763879yeah, marxism is so perfect it's never been tried -- all those 'famous failures' weren't true marxism.
>>539763879Remember when smart people used to come here? Now we have 12 year Olds like op.
>>539764160Human speech is not for you go eat some steamed spider monkey in banana leaves stay out of economics/politics, shitbird
>>539764160lolEastern Ukraine had referendums and the people voted to leave in a similar scenario to what is depicted in your tweets.You're either a troll or retarded.Stop using 4chan as a comments section just because Elon won't let you say 'nigger' on his gay site.
>>539763879There is no point in arguing with communists. The only thing to do is kill them.
>>539764554You don't argue with them for the same reason you don't argue with a wolf or bear. Its just making noises at you and hearing your words as noise. Its going to attack you and eat your shit because its a hungry and wild unthinking animal.
>there are no actual, logical arguments against communism/marxismHow about it's fundamentally incompatible with human behaviour? Or trading financial elites for social elites? Or the transition to stateless Marxist communism being fundamentally impossible? Or that communism has been tried a myriad of times in a myriad of countries under a myriad of cultures, and they all turned into autocratic dictatorships?
>>539764182All the jews moved to the US. Then it dried up and blew away.>>539764554We can do that after they kill the jews. Till then, not my problem.
>>539764357bots, niggers, shills, retards, rertards only pretending to be retards, it actually reminds me a little bit of the very very early days of 4chan when it was just /a/ and /b i need a new hobby.
>>539763879>42 million people making 43,000 suggestions and the end result is "Shut up and do what I say."
>>539763879who you vote for counts less than who counts the votes
>>539763879voting under communism is even less real than under representative democracy capitalism
>>539764146It says "across the country", retard. You're shit at this. I can see why the CIA started with the layoffs.
Marx’s logic in Capital is verifiably indisputably riddled with logical contradictions, fallacies, and blatantly incorrect mathematics. Furthermore, he never addresses the market feedback and input pricing problems or the vanguard incentive misalignment of a communist state, which have caused mass death and economic faltering in literally every single communist state without a single exception.
>More rights and freedomsDid this include the right to have a secure border?Or the right to decide to not let rapefugees or scabs into your country?What about the right to self-determination and segregation?The right to say nigger?Actually, if this constitution was so great they'd just post these rights.
>>539763879>150 years and the invention of telegram, telephone, and radioWhodathunkit
>>539763879Communism is profoundly retarded. Micromanaging every aspect of the economy, and going as far as banning small business is just stupid. There is no good argument against people being able to run small businesses.Not to say that I support the current capitalistic system either. Communism vs capitalism is a false dichotomy. I support the third position, that being fair distribution of productive land. Nobody should be able to claim exclusive ownership over land and its natural bounty. This should be equally shared. But a man should be fully entitled to the product of his own hands and should be able to run business without restriction, as long as it is done within the confines of a fair share of land.
>>539763879How do you get people to comply with communism?
>>539763879Bump
>>539772071spoken like a true communist, you've got nothing to say, you're just here to be another brown shirt nigger.
my argument against communism:no thanks
>>539764200Imagine thinking that meme presents a good argument. Yes (((liberalism))) is as bad as your retarded materialist ideology. Both have done incredible damage to the world.
>there are no arguments against itit doesn't worksource: history
>>539763879reducing individuality to mere cyclical cogs with classist or identitarian quantification, as a means of falsifying current modalities as illusory captures driven by need and desire, simply allocates the communist as someone who, at their core, is not a human, but, rather, a captured picture of an ideologue.communism's reductionism ensures it's a revolutionary modulation but, due to its same constraints, and insistence upon the destruction of certain traditions/ritualization, communism simply becomes a matter of societal manipulation for the raising up of certain ideals for social traditional constructionism, while casting down other non-communist traditions as ideological captures. This is why communism can really only manifest itself with socialist variants, for the dehumanization of communism always ensures an upper elite coming to dominate a lower class, whereas variants of socialism expands cogs into slightly more utilitarian aspects, as opposed to the constrained specificity of communism.in the end, communism creates the same conditions which it hated but, this time, underneath communism, so the conditions do not seem as illusory.
>>539768398If you allow people to run businesses, then parasites jews foids and groids will all feel jealous and miserable. We can’t allow that, so we have to destroy the economy for them.
>>539763879I like it in theory but in practice the working class just trades in one set of elite overlords for another.
>>539774300Its silly, the only limiting factor is land. Someone else having a successful business within the confines of their fair share of land and resources does not in any way take from you.
>>539763879let me know when it's actually been tried
>>539763879>no actual, logical arguments against communism/marxismhow about>it never ever worked in the pastdon't mention China, as they aren't communist, but only a nominally communist plutocracy, as all leading people get rich by leading that shithouse
Their constitution was merely paper because their government did not abide by it. Communism is inefficient because it puts a giant bureaucracy between the people and innovation. Capitalism works because if one person says no to something you can just ask someone else. In communism the question is dead. Capitalism hedges risk while under communism the state assumes all risk making it very likely to implode or have hyper inflation.
>>539774593China is winning, whatever they are.
>>539763879Society is always ruled by a small minority called the ruling class. Not once in history has there been an exception to this. Small jungle tribes have chiefs too.
>>539763879Marx was a Kulak who did exactly zero labor in his life
>>539763879One argument:The purpose of a system is what it does.
>>539774822This is true. Cultural revolution such as the formation of the USSR is like all revolutions -- an elite minority using the masses to overthrow the old elite minority.
>>539763879Jews.
>>539774961This, the idea of marxism was doomed from the very start
>>539763879Stalin was a Russian nationalist who only asked ethnic Russians to participate in writing a Russian ethno-imperialist constitution which genocided Ukrainians and other non-Russians. Only Jews should lead multicultural societies.
>>539763958there are many communists internationally that support russia over ukrainea bunch of communist workers at an airport in italy and refused to handle arms shipments heading to ukraineyou just keep trying to equate communism with being an npc tranny, which is exactly what the elites wantwhy do you think blackrock had been pushing dei?
Communism can sort of work, when heavily state controlled, but even then, majority of people get fucked. The stateless Marxist final stage communism is a fairytale, that gets crushed as soon as human nature kicks in, and theres no state to put them in check.
>>539763879>what happened throughout the 20th century: the post
>>539763879Why cant communism work without taking over the countrywhy cant communist just make a commune and share resources together from a unified means of production?
>>539763879My favorite bit about the law code under Stalin is that the plebeians weren't allowed to read it. Solzhenitsyn had a good ol' laugh about it when he finally got to read it a few years after Uncle Joe's brain noped out. So many rights on paper. Not a single one in reality.
>>539774097/thread
>>539763879the only arguments they have are "muh money" and "muh i don't wanna help anyone else except myself"
>>539775704>Not a single one in reality.Well, according to Jewish yeshiva analysis, at least.
>>539775277Wasn't he Georgian?
>>539763879Democracy is not a virtue. it's merely a process, and not a particularly good one, especially at scale.
>>539775543No shit what makes you think most countries that have ever exist throughout the course of human history weren't communist in nature
>>539775661Communism works perfectly in families and some smaller communities where everybody cares about each other. Once you add outsiders, it all falls apart, because no one gives a shit about some unknown parasites, that should share your fruits of labor. Thats what Marxists fail to understand, is that theres too many people who abuse the system, to the point of it failing. They argue, that theres no such thing as a nature of man, and that it should change with proper education, but as we see with ussr, that raised like 4 generations under communist values and got progressively worse i would say, that is just impossible.
>>539763958>>539775502Kys ziggers shills
>>539763879>>539764160>>539764200>>539764522Go back toReddit Faggot
>>539776029And everybody that lived under it. My grandpa remembers when the commissars came around and stole everbody's food to redistribute it to the other mismanaged parts of the Communist empire. And he remembers getting laughed at by local beaurocrats when he was discriminated against for being Christian and bringing up his so called ((((constitutional rights)))).>The Constitution is in Moscow. We are here. Russia can be cool for a lot of reasons. The Soviet Union as a political structure is not one of them, бpaт
>>539776328i love how you made ukranians a chadchud, while in reality your ruler is a cokehead manlet jew, and the azov battalion is financed by a billionaire jew from israel.the whole war is the pet project of a few billionaires who will now have control over their natural resources and is now purging the country of all the whites.another, more realistic option for the ukranian would be a 73 year old man who was just bundled into a van 36 hours agogo burn all your food, again.
>>539763879The state of capitalism is no longer appealing enough to prevent me from entertaining the idea of swapping to communism.It is our duty to try and figure out a way to implement it successfully and in a way that keeps the human desire to assume control out of possibility.You may argue that it hasn't worked, but we can also argue that we haven't figured it out yet.because you are too stupid to figure it out, you assume no one else can. Come on genius, entertain the idea.How do we do it, in this hypothetical?I say sortition into ai governance/oversight. Take out the human element, let AI have access to all data. Measure growth, decline, productivity, and anticipate needs ahead of time. Have sortition selected individuals across the principality's "job" be monitoring the safe and unobstructed tampering with the AI.This will allow us to live in a society where there are no billionaires, because we have executed them all (for their crimes against humanity) while the rest of us live in either equal or a better standard of living.
>>539763879 I don't want a democratic solution because the people are retarded.
>>539764522>>539764200>>539763879this sounds like a troll account. Any proof that they're legit and not just the /pol/tard OP baiting everybody?
>>539763879More democracy ≠ goodInfact democracy collapses at scale it works much better at small scale of similar peoples.I could quote Plato but I will instead simplify things so any retard can understand.Imagine voting with your friends what movie to watch, chances are considering the small grouping size and similarity to each other no matter which movie wins the vote, you will enjoy the movie.Now imagine the same scenario but the entire planet is voting on what movie to watch, chances are you are not going to enjoy the movie.You're gonna be watching some bollywood trash.
I dunno why tankies rally around Stalin so much. He wasn't even really communist, he was just an autocratic dictator. As soon as he was dead the other commies undid everything he did because the fear was finally gone.
>>539763879Under communism litrally everything belongs to everyone!...therefore no one gives a fuck about anything any more.
>>539775502>equate communism with being an npc tYou are an NPC.If you admitted you were a tankie I could atleast recognise you as sincere or someone thinking about their own ideology.Fact is Communism is not possible and isnt even the goalInternational socialism is the goal of communism.Communism is a lie sold to idiots in order to implement International socialism.The states not going to dissolve and if it did the moment any group decides to form a state communism loses again.
>>539763879>Or so you see fit, please, stop with delusions and schizophrenic, acknowledge you're cattle.- quote from Chad Social Nationalist.I wonder why there's more 1pbtid than ever before, we got stop bump crap and let it die.
>>539764114They do if you kill people who violate them
>>539763879Communism is a haven for those who don't want to work, a hell for those who will have to slave to support the former.
>>539763879There are actual logical arguments against Marxism. Even if Marx observed real problems the prescription and theory of history is wrong. >The few own everything while most are economically dependent (wagies)>People are alienated from the fruit of their labor; they do not own what they make and what they make is made mostly by machines>The commodification of everythingThese are real problems but socialism didn't solve any of it because it's still operating within the same quantitative paradigm where productivity, efficiency, consumption, and economy are the things that matter most. There really is no solution so long as there's industry and mass production, because technology strips all that makes one human and turns them into a mere cog that simply works and consumes. Even if you get post scarcity with AI and free energy now you just have a person who's completely dependent on machines and doesn't create anything. If you're focused on only what's quantitatively superior you will miss these facts. Whether you have a command economy or market economy this doesn't change, and a command economy is never magically going to either away and turn into real communism because the conditions for real communism exists within small communities who are mostly self sufficient. Unless you modified humans into something akin more to ants communism doesn't work beyond this. Another thing Marx doesn't get is that it's not so much about collective ownership of the means of production as it is decentralized ownership that matters. Stateless people could live in a huge long house, or they could live in independent households.
>>539763879"It's retarded" is all the argument you're worth.
imagine thatpeople bred into a system that screams Communism Bad produced a bunch of simpletons who scream Communism Bad. And you try to claim school taught you nothing. Funny guys.
