Is esteemed geopolitical wonk Mearsheimer right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z_lC7ETLB0
outside of ground troops or using a nuclear weapon, he's not wrong. US is completely cucked to Iran, Iran can now just let the total world economy crash as it closes all the major trading roots.
>>539783042There's literally nothing we can do that won't make the situation worse for ourselves and the rest of the world.
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>>539783138The big issue is also the fact that Iran can hit the gulf state desalination plants, which would be a humanitarian disaster since everyone living there would have to leave pretty much instantly as the water runs out. If that happens then obviously the oil production stops too so it's their ultimate trump card, even more so than the strait of hormuz is.Iran isn't going to do that lightly but if thinks the regime is going to collapse (like if the US does a huge invasion) then it will 100% do that.
>>539783042i too am brown
Yep. Short of offensive and defensive weapons. Diesel and jet fuel. No fertilizer, helium or any precursor distillates. The pooch has been screwed.
>>539783042Mearsheimer hasn't been right about anything.This was the same guy arguing Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine and America wouldn't attack Iran.Give up peacenovs it's over.
/pol/ was right again.
>>539783138>US is completely cucked to IranSo tiresome
>>539783156We could just surrender and sign a peace treaty
Shiemer is a literal actual russian fucking stooge who doesnt know anything lmao
>>539783668Wow everyone over 60 was killed how horrinle
>>539783668like I said, US copmletely cucked to Iran, you could kill the entire political leadership and it would get repalced by more radical people
>>539783610Nobody thought America would attack Iran because of what an obvious mistake it is. With irrational actors anything is possible.I've never seen a clip linked to Mearsheimer incorrectly asserting that Russia wouldn't invade.
Imagine if everyone over 60 was killed in the US itd be terrible
>>539783138>Iran can now just let the total world economy crash as it closes all the major trading roots.I'm absolutely and genuinely baffled with this statement kek.Like what the actual fuck do you even mean? You think a country like Iran holds the world at ransom? You think the strait of Hormuz is where the majority of trade goes? What in the actual fuck is this guy even talking about?The absolute shit i see on here kek
>>539783668>everyone in this picture was just replaced by someone who is more hardline and not a boomer
>>539783138>trading rootshow do you expect anyone to take your retarded ass seriously
A trillion dollar military is useless if the public won’t tolerate gas going up 2cents.
>>539783668They killed all of those people and now the strait is open, great job.
>>539783877what a fucking dream
>>539783866>Nobody thought America would attack Iran because of what an obvious mistake it is. With irrational actors anything is possible. In the most polite way possible. You have no idea on what you're talking about. >I've never seen a clip linked to Mearsheimer incorrectly asserting that Russia wouldn't invade.Well don't worry because i got you."If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is encourage it to try and conquer Ukraine. Putin again is much to smart to do that" - John Mearsheimer Time stamp video: 23:42https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4?is=N0lj8MqZn2IALJBzNATO lured Russia in Ukraine and now is fucking up Russia.
>>539783042just send 500k army dudes and be done with it lol
>>539783806Tell me you don't know how to conquer Muslims without telling me you don't know how to conquer Muslims
>>539784042Roots, lmao. And people like that will dare to comment on the straight of Hormuz situation.
>>539784015Congrats bro
>>539783894>You think a country like Iran holds the world at ransom?The US abandoned all other war goals and is now trying to return to pre-war strait because it doesn't really matter and isn't important. Please do not look at the American SPR or ask why there are fertilizer shortages globally.
>>539783382If Iran were to do this. Wouldn't the gulf states just immediately declare ware?
>>539783156This. The best move is for us to pack up our shit and go home, leaving Israel to fend for itself.
>>539784193America expended its military ability to attack Iran and didn't accomplish its goals. You're a memeflag pretending America's hands were tied by public sentiment in a conflict it started by murdering children.
>>539783726"Putin is just too smart to do that"
>>539784380>2015I wonder if anything changed in the 7 years between them and 2022.
>>539783726He knows that Israel is an albatross around our neck.
>>539783382How can the US get anywhere near enough to Iran to invade? The houthis' set flight to the US British and French navies. Send in amphibious carriers and everyone on board dies send to the bottom of the sea. Americans are in love with an earlier eral. Amerian Iron! They're actually building three huge aircraft carriers right now; WHY??? for the love of god WHY???? Why build this obsolete hyper expensive junk??
>>539784392>Invade Iran with 500k menLol
>>539784615>Wouldn't the gulf states just immediately declare ware?The Gulf States are already in the war. Where do you think the US bases were?
>>539783726nafobrown kike worshipers hate mearsheimer so you know he's right in all of his opinions
>>539783668Aren't you forgetting that the US blew up their "navy" and their "airforce"?1970's F4 Phantoms? kek1970's warships? kekThe US is fuxxored completely. But they still have the jew's circumcized dicks up their asses and they are being driven forward to a massive humiliating blood drenched defeat. BOOTS ON THE GROUND!!
>>539784380>In the most polite way possible. You have no idea on what you're talking about.Listen Langley, I've seen you in too many other threads to believe that Irish flag, so I read all condescension from you as an admission of guilt. You're trying personal insults because you don't have arguments.And that's much confirmed by your linked video. He's saying that Putin wouldn't try to CONQUER Ukraine as in take it over and make it property to rebirth the USSR, but that he absolutely would WRECK Ukraine or put it in a frozen conflict to make sure it can't be in NATO. Which is exactly what's happened. Because you're using NAFO-approved talking points you interpret the current conflict as an attempt at "conquering" Ukraine and remaking the USSR, so to you that means Mearsheimer was wrong, but that's not what happened. Putin is responding to attempted NATO expansion into Ukraine by blowing up a lot of it and making sure it stays in a conflict, so what is happening is exactly what Mearsheimer predicted would happen according to this speech.
>>539784741What do you mean?
>>539783894>You think a country like Iran holds the world at ransom?Red Sea and Strait of Hormuz are the two major trading routes in the world. The port of Jeddah has been closed down Houthis in Yemen, making the Suez Canal effectually moot at as well.China reduced it's consumption of oil by 40%, they just recently said they are no longer doing that. US no longer has a strategic oil reserve to keep pumping up their allies with, artificially making gas prices lower than it should be. Take a while fucking guess what that is gonna do?
>>539783894>No I can't explain why it's crazy just trust me that it is, do you know how crazy you sound right now?!?!?!?!?!
>>539784505epic maymay from a white genocide supporting zionist
>>539783668>potato nigger doesn't understand how the Iranian Government and political system is set upFucking retard.
>>539784437>>Tell me you don't know how to conquer Muslims without telling me you don't know how to conquer MuslimsWell you're sure as shit not going to do it by giving the Saudis nuclear weapons eh? The birthplace of Al Quaeda?? Trump sure likes Al Quaeda. He welcomed the new Al Quaeda leader of Syria to the Oval Office and was like a little excited schoolgirl with him.
>>539784899>Mershimer predicts X in 2025>7 years later anti-X happens>Therefore Mershimer is bad at analysis.The conclusion does not follow unless you can also be reasonably sure that the situation he's analyzing didn't change for 7 years (it did) and that Mershimer never updated his analysis.
>>539783686Which is what people have been saying is our only out for months, but Trump won't do it because the only way to make that happen is to abandon Israel to its fate and let Iran bulldoze them. Which still remains the only real viable outcome, but Trump both can't afford to look week and is too compromised to let Israel take the fall like that.
>>539783042you could always drop the nuke if all else fails
>>539785167>look week>>539783138>trading roots
>>539783042Mearsheimer has been jumping from podcast to podcast for years saying that Ukraine just cannot beat Russia. Does anyone take this cartoony looking guys seriously?
>>539785251Dropping nukes wouldn't solve the problem and would instead create a dozen more problems. The USA would get sanctioned by basically the entire rest of the world overnight, including our allies, and our economy would pretty much immediately collapse. And that assumes that us using nukes doesn't prompt anyone else to do the same, which is far from certain.
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>>539784895>because you don't have arguments. You literally claimed that Mearsheimer didn't say something and I proved to you with evidence that he did in fact say something. I guess it isn't an argument because you were straight up wrong.>Putin wouldn't try to CONQUER Ukraine>he absolutely would WRECK Ukraine >put it in a frozen conflict to make sure it can't be in NATO.>you interpret the current conflict as an attempt at "conquering" Ukraine>Putin is responding to attempted NATO expansion into UkraineThe cope here is just unbelievable. Just stop lying to yourself. Let your fragile ego die and stick to the facts.So Putin wants to stop NATO expansion but yet the opposite has happened? He invade to wreck the country even though NATO are now in the process of building weapon production in Ukraine?When are just going stop with the stupidity? Stop listening to clowns like Mearsheimer. He's been proven wrong on just about everything.
>>539784903>Take a while fucking guess what that is gonna do?Open new trade routes and oil supplies meaning the Iranian will be even more isolated.
>>539785032How the Iranian government is set up: >lose>claim victory >repeat
>>539785524That will take years, meanwhile economic collapse from the shortages will take months. You might as well say that the solution to this problem is that the entire rest of the world switches off of fossil fuels too reduce their oil dependency: if if that did eventually happen, there's no way to make it happen soon enough to matter.
>>539785083They're the conquered Muslims.
>>539785122That's a funny way of saying his predictions were wrong.
>>539785338They can't though
>>539785338>Does anyone take this cartoony looking guys seriously?Look no further than this thread. Even when you point out his wrongs they will defend him religiously.
>>539783668potato jew a rare combo
>>539783138We could literally carpet bomb Tehran with B52s and B1s. I don't know what it would accomplish but it would 10000000000% escalate the situation by any metric and using stuff we have literally dozens of packed depots and secondary AFBs full of.Remember, all war after WWII has been pageantry with no real goals besides to spend western gold and blood.
>>539785647So let me get this straight. The Western world, nations rich in abundance may take a little damage but isolated Iran will keep winning?
>>539785851You know nothing about anti semitism. You think the Iranian government is anti semitic when in reality jews in Iran are a privilege class. Go back to listening to your American liberals clowns like Mearsheimer.
>>539786097good goyim many potatoes for you
>>539783042we could do lots of things but it's a gamble and no one knows what will happen if we do. Stuff like destroying power plants, for example.
yankies run out of munitonsiran wongg
>>539786228Deflection won't save you from reality. Calling everyone you disagree with jew just shows how brown minded you are. Look at you? Offended over Iran kek.
>>539785599>loseThe war is over and the strait is open?
>>539786497>17 posts by this id
>>539786497
>>539786300Or terrorist cells here in America. We’re not poking your average bear, kids.
>>539786565There hasn't been a war. The American military literally fired a few strategic missiles and that alone was enough to rattle Iran. Iran is in such a disadvantage position and yet people will claim they're winning.
>>539786674jewish terror cells muslim terror cells gas them all
>>539783042>Measheimer says America has no ability to escalate on IranHe's correct, jews drained us of everything over the past 40 years, more so the last 10.I for one welcome our new Chinese superpower.
>>539786600The privileged jews in Iran caught your tongue didn't it? Are you going to reply with memes to show your intellect?
>>539786715>There hasn't been a wartop quality bait
Remember, the desert war is forever.(or at least until you remove jews)
>>539786887I gets everyone will have their own definitions. Usually wars aren't so one sided.
>>539783042It's pretty obvious the US is a paper tiger. Yes we can kill your leaders in an impressive surprise raid, or with a few bombs on their house. But the American public will not tolerate any extended deployment of men and women on the ground. And the men and women being deployed are unmotivated and hate the government for starting a war that cannot be won because there's no clear objective. Our military hardware is also all outmoded multi-billion dollar vanity projects for boomer defense contractors. All of it is easily countered by a guy buying small sub-$100 parts from amazon, arming it with a small explosive and instantly fucking destroying it. And just a daily reminder, they actually thought they were going to land military personnel in the mountains of Iran, extract uranium and haul it out, and literally fly away with it. On Easter. A plan that went awry when a few random dudes with AKs noticed Americans staging for an op. This is the twilight of the American empire.
>>539786968The majority of the Middle East is now under American control. Try to keep up buddy. It's not the 1980s anymore.
>>539787072> But the American public will not tolerate any extended deployment of men and women on the ground.This holds America back a lot. America needs that united spirit it had in the past. The lack of public support turns political figures into cowards. The ones who don't get labelled as traitors. Obviously a lot of hawks inner circles are profiteering but that would trickle down to the economy over time. The more America grows the more Americans will benefit through trade.
>when the war first started people were saying that in a few months the global economy would collapse because of the strait being closed>6 months later and nothing has happened yet>meanwhile iran has started to desperately attack random targets hoping that will lead to the us lifting the blockade>they're already resorting to public executions to discourage off civil unrest
>>539783042Mearshlomo is always wrong.
Yea we're fucked and it's been bad since the first or second week of the war (at the latest). there is no realistic military option and diplomacy is impossible when israel is a shitbull without a leash
>>539787136lmao, no
>>539787370>America needs that united spirit it had in the past.Decades of jewish propaganda and flooding us with browns ruined any chance of that.Retroactive repeal of hart-celler act would be a start to fixing this.
>>539786715>>539786811This is either an advanced troll or IDF AI. I would pay $100 to see this poster on video making these points, without smirking or having 6 fingersThe United States has depleted it's munition stockpile to dangerously low levels. That is not up for debate, it's been stated multiple times by credible sources including military generals. Our strategic oil reserves, while not empty, are going from "we can cruise for a while" to "make a fucking deal just bend over ASAP". Even your orange nigger said we were weeks from oil running out and that's why he signed the first MOU. We have spent absurd amounts of money attacking Iran to achieve ??? >We weakened themAnd yet they are still able to disrupt the strait. Between the strait being closed and now the red sea, we are at risk of a serious economic downfall. Even your kike trump-approved economists are saying that.>We stopped them from getting nukes!They were not developing nukes. There is no evidence saying they were developing nukes except for suspicious last minute "intelligence" from people who have been begging for this war for decades. We killed their original leader who has a fatwa against nukes, and have proven to them that you absolutely need nukesRetards like you defending the admins ill-planned war have an agenda and it's easy to see. It's almost entertaining watching you defend these retarded decisions, until I realize that kike like you are the reason we are in this quagmire>Bro that's so brown codedYou lost ziotranny, the world hates you and that is a statistical fact not opinion. Gj on the checkers game don't forget your small hat
>>539788099>I would pay $100 to see this poster on video making these points, without smirking or having 6 fingers You've got to bump those numbers. >The United States has depleted it's munition stockpile to dangerously low levels. That is not up for debateThis is nothing more than rhetoric. It's still funny how people are still using these arguments. The biggest advantage America has over the whole world and by far is It's logistic capabilities. On top of that they have many stong allies from with good logistic capabilities too. Somehow, you want us to believe that "America has no munitions"?America and NATO have so much military production that they're even building in Ukraine.You keep rambling about trump yet i didn't mention him once. Trumps the puppet to distract people. He certainly does a good job at that. The same goes for Israel. I never said i supported or was against Israel. Just more rhetoric.Let's say for a moment I agree with the strait situation, which i don't, but let's say I do. The strait being closed is harming Iran more than anyone. All that will happen is the world will build new routes and suppliers.As for the Iranian nukes, I agree with what you siad 100% and that's something I was saying before anyone else. You probably even got that info from me on here.
>>539783042>America has no ability to escalate on Iran* * * * * * * * ** N U K E S * ````````````````* U * * * * * * ** K ** E ** S ** * *
>>539783668Again?Really?>We killed more people so we totally changed the regime from ayatollah khemani to ayatollah khemani, and trump got his unconditional surrender that he wouldn’t settle for any less than. >Trusting the plan!
>>539784380You’re not irish. You’re a jew on a VPN. Everyone ITT knows that.
>>539789229Trump isn't the military. He's a big orange clown put there to entertain people like you.
>>539785599This should be easy for you:What did the US win in the war with iran?
>>539783042Why did Israel start this evil and unnecessary war? Why aren't they even fighting it?
>>539789560>>539789450
>>539789526> Trump isn't the military. He's a big orange clown put there to entertain people like you.>BUT it was 100% his decision and he was right to attack iran >and he totally won >and iran lost>but trump is orange and silly >but even still, he defeated iran for us jews, and iran lostYou jews are legitimately mentally unwell
>>539789623Israel is the country that drafts it's population and has been fighting Iranian proxies for years.
>>539783668cool, now repeat that process until the 90M population is fully gone
>>539789749Quote where I siad those things about trump?
>>539783138of course dementia donald can escalate the war. imagine if they targeted iran's desalination plants. then imagine iran retaliating by blowing up everyone else's desalination plants. we haven't gotten very far into the process of whatever everyone, esp in the middle east, stands to lose
>>539783042Measheimer underestimates America's ability to spam giant multi-ton old-fashioned bombs and make Gaza look like a resort in comparison
>>539790066It's not just about ability, there's also willingness. This war is already a PR disaster. Leveling cities to the ground is a no go.
>>539783668The most obvious vpnkike I've ever seen on this forum and that's including the idf bot farms that fester and spam this placeYou will never be Irish, you have EXACTLY ZERO Irish blood in you, I'd wager 300000 years of karmic punishment and two eternities in hellfire with the rest of your kind on this fact.The queen of England has more chance of being Irish than this jew, I've never met an Irish man who was simultaneously a faggot, a NAFO troon and an idf shill
>>539790066why would dementia donald do that? we're fighting a war we can't win in iran and ukraine still needs to be won. we can't really afford to flatten gaza and why should we?
>>539790494Nothing i said has anything to do with being a jew. People like yourself are just baffled because I'm not from your echo chamber.
>>539783668The only thing that’s fucking everybody over is the media and propaganda They literally are the people’s enemy
>>539784615yeah, it'd be going all in, but in that case Iran is existentially threatened so they have to do it>>539784761The US could do it but it's a big war and that means taking losses. And no matter what regime changing Iran means the gulf states get fucked up for an indefinite time + the strait being closed so the global economy gets hit hard.In the end if you're going to fight a war you need to accept these things. You can't say 'I want to fight a war but I'm not going to do it if it means grocery prices rise for a year'. If people of the country can't put up with that then they factually cannot fight the war no matter how good their military is.
Yes simple not enough bombs and precision ammunitions for a decent air campaign. Let alone enough troops to even try to invade and even how to invade, with outdated tech and tactics.
All the NAFO trannies that criticize him never had the balls or the strength to enlist, let alone the brains to graduate from West Point and serve as a commissioned officer in the U,S. Air Force like Professor Mearsheimer did. Fuck all of you noserve chicken hawk faggots. And fuck anyone who thinks that rational explanations of reality is a lack of patriotism.
>>539790882g-d bless you, contrariananon. i've been redditposting in your absence but the king is back
>no ability to escalateretarded threadwe haven't even done the typical day one stuff like power plantsthe political state is fully functioning stillit's sad to see mearsheimer continue turning from a strategist into an entertainer
>>539791326He joined during the Vietnam war but never saw a battlefield.
>>539783042>Is esteemed geopolitical wonk Mearsheimer right?lol, no.america is extremely good at doing two things:1) finding people2) putting warheads where we want toif we want to escalate, we could literally just keep killing their leaders until one gets into power that decides he would rather play ball and not die.seriously, why are we entertaining this bullshit?they have nice things? we can take them away in the blink of an eye.fuck it.there's so much critical infrastructure we haven't even touched yet, and nothing in the world preventing us from doing so.personally, i think we should just kill the leader, whover that is, any time anything happens to a ship.every time a ship gets touched we just kill the leader.and we keep doing--every time a ship gets touched the leader dies a firey death--until eventually one of them figures out the pattern and decides he'd rather not die a firey death.that should be our new position: pull out the negotiators and just kill the leaders over and over and over.you can terrorize the straight, or you can live.you can't do both.but, what do i know?>>539783138retard.
>>539783668The people who replaced them are now more radical, anti-American, and more willing to build a nuke. Oh, and the Strait is now closed. Congratulations, you dumb Irish faggot. Only a FAS mick like yourself would look at the situation and think you’re winning. >>539784392Kek, try 3x that. >>539785338>saying that Ukraine just cannot beat RussiaAnd you implying the Ukraine can beat Russia? Kek.
>>539783200I’m a Newfag: The Post
>>539791613>The people who replaced them are now more radical, anti-American, and more willing to build a nuke.>Oh, and the Strait is now closed.>the peoplepeople everywhere are the same... they all like not being dead.that's why we should just keep killing them until we get what we want.see >>539791600i call it "playing to America's strengths".
>>539791536I can't believe this retard is still tripling down on his feeble rhetoric. The pay must be REAL good.
>>539783042>meanwhile at Piers Morgans wife profileConservatives...
>>539791613>The people who replaced them are now more radical, anti-American, and more willing to build a nuke. It doesn't matter and that's what you and Muslims don't understand. It doesn't matter how much you hate. It doesn't matter how much you make anti American posters. What matters is strategy and logistics. You can Allah akbar till the camels come home but that's not going to give you a strategic position.
>>539791613>you implying the Ukraine can beat Russia?Yes.
>>539791421>>539790882The big thing Mearsheimer is arguing isn't something he's making up out of thin air. It's not just his analysis either.The bottom line is regime changing Iran successfully is not an easy thing. It's a massive country with difficult terrain and an embedded regime. The US could do it but it would be a huge war, bigger than Iraq, probably going on for years, and there is not the political will to do it. Especially with Trump who has zero attention span in the first place and thinks everything can be resolved with a 'deal' (Iran cannot be resolved with a deal.)If you want to fight this war to completion it means the gulf states get hammered hard, it means hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground and the strait remains dangerous for potentially years. All of that means the price at the pump goes up and the global economy gets a big hit.Those are facts that have to be accepted. If those are unacceptable then the war cannot be fought. And Trump in a midterm year is fixated on trying to get gas back down and doesn't want a war that drags on either. He's also acutely aware of how unpopular this war is in the polls even at the very beginning...The US military is great but you need to win the peace too. You can't just bomb stuff in a country of 90 million people including multiple rival groups and expect it to rearrange itself into a functioning country again, you need to do it right or don't do it at all.
>>539791707>they all like not being dead. The opposite is true with the middle east. The anti American Muslims would rather blow themselves up believing martyrdom and 72 virgins rather than sit down and think strategy.
Somebody kill the Irish faggot in this thread, would love to starve this potato nigger like the Brits did.
>>539791748Oh the "Putin is to smart to invade Ukraine" guy is back. How's the stopping NATO expansion holding up?
>>539791536>He joined during the Vietnam war That’s to his credit, you potato nigger cowards. >but never saw a battlefieldSo? The USAF assigned him to R&D for two years before sending him to USC for grad school. His superiors recognized his genius, so why would they send him to fuck gook whores and shoot up heroin in between getting killed or maimed (as was the Vietnam experience)?
>>539791949So…two more weeks?
>>539792028>The opposite is true with the middle east.leadership is not what you are imagining.they are educated in the US, they like starbucks, they like nice things like running water and electricity and internet connectivity.most of all, they like being alive so they can continue to enjoy those things.so, we need to start taking that away.any time any ship gets touched, we need to kill the leader of iran.even a dog will learn from this method: bell rings and food shows up.a ship gets touched and i die.there's this belief that there's too many drones to do anything about them... okay.then, the thing to do is make it so that they don't want to use them.simple as.you can terrorize the straight or you can live.you can't do both.
>>539791907>What matters is strategyThen why has everyone from Maersheimer to Mattis is saying that the U.S. is currently in a state of strategic defeat? Oh, right, because the aims at the beginning of the war have been abandoned, Hormussy is closed, and now the entire war goals is aimed at restoring the status quo ante (which it is failing to do with no signs of success). If you weren’t such a retard you could realize that your posts are emblematic of the Irish people (low intelligence).
>>539783042Yep and you can thank faggot fat fuck kike loving nigger trump for dragging us into this. He thought it would be venezula where it was over in 1 day and has now repeated and lied that we won the war over x100 and that they are begging for a deal when they just launched mussles at jordan again.
>>539792082Being that Georgia and the Ukraine are still not NATO members, it is going great.
>>539791988America doesn't need boots on the ground. Iran is rotting from the inside out. The country was already facing hardship before the air strikes. The population is being held hostage and ethnic tensions are rising. Iran isn't another Afghanistan. The population is more concentrated. Trump doesn't make decisions, the military does. These are operations on going for years without Trump. The gulf states are getting heavily supplied with weapons. Iran is desperate hence the last attempts. The Western world has semi transition from fuel with EV and nuclear. Of course their may be increases but that's always been the way even without war or conflict.America just needs to wait it out.
>>539792345Missles*
>>539792081
>>539792384What about Finland and Sweden?
>>539792110Never saw combat
>>539789623Israel has to remain capable against Turkey at all costs. Iran is capable enough to shoot down any aircraft. The gambit with Iran is also non-Jewish Russian and Iranian physics/maths paradigms which obsolete The Jew's intellectual contributions and murderous oppression of field tech. >>539785967>>539785971Instead of wrapping up Iran as a threat to the nuclear chemistry printing press beyond the Oil one, Now the Jews Central Bank's Petrodollar that replaced Gold under Nixon is finished instead. Iran is probably offering a gold reserve to start Trump's gold backed dollar along with other Asian hordes, But obviously The Jews will do as much damage as possible if they are getting cut out of even being a little horn.
>>539792152That's a Russian meme you dumb faggot
>>539792436Are you smoking crack? Because you need to be pretty fucked up to believe this
>>539792443imagine my "diplomatic" solution, if you will.we withdraw our diplomats and say>every time a ship is touched we will kill the leader of iran.they get cheeky and decide to touch one to test us,and a single missle comes out of the heavens and kills the leader of iran.so, the next leader takes his spot and we say to him>every time a ship gets touched, we will kill the leader of iranand he thinks>who the fuck do they think they are?!?>the straight is mine! i do what i want!and someone touches a shipand shortly thereafter a missle comes out of the sky and kills them, toonext guy gets in the seat and we say to him>any time a ship gets touched, we will kill the leader of irannow, this motherfucker is thinking to himself>damn, that last guy was hiding in a really good spot. how the fuck did they find him?>shit.>this is my problem, now.>i need to make sure that no one touches those motherfucking ships or i'm going to diethus, we convert what is presently our problem into their problem.
>>539783042FUCK THIS FAGGOT PIERS MORGAN SUCKS COCKS IF TRUMP WANTS TO DEFEAT IRAN HE CAN AND WILL DO IT END OF DISCUSSION.
>>539792302If America carpet bomb big macs and KFC all over Iran the conflict would be over in a week.
>>539792664pfft, don't be ridiculous.we would, obviously, bomb the salad barsbefore we would even think of harming a single french fry.
>>539784741He got more retarded?Why are you defending a guy who clearly just says whatever his next paymasters tell him to say.
>>539792340>Then why has everyone from Maersheimer to Mattis is saying that the U.S. is currently in a state of strategic defeat? Because they're E-celebs that want you to stay tuned to their bullshit. They will feed you stuff that will keep you coming back. They're benefiting greatly by pushing propaganda. >Oh, right, because the aims at the beginning of the war have been abandonedThis isn't true and nobody only the military knows this. The conflict is years in the making but people like Mearsheimer keep people like you entertain by pretending trump is in charge. Either that or blaming the Israelis.
>>539783668>nafo tranny thinks he knows something that PhD and renowned geopolitical analyst doesn’t Go back to your video games
>>539792662This doesn’t work Iran is not structured like that and besides your not blowing up any granite chud bunkers. This is the most retadly ill planned war I’ve ever seen for Israel.
>>539783042>Is esteemed geopolitical wonk Mearsheimer right?Wrong. America is going to invade Iran and Israel will ensure that all of NATO goes in with America. But first, the ukraine war has to end. But Putin isnt interested in peace because in about 4 weeks global strategic oil reserves are going to start to run dry. The longer he presses on, the more he can take from the ukies. Euro politicians will be very interested in a war against Iran immediately after the embarrassing loss in Ukraine. Some cool explosions in sandland and a quick win will make the eurogoys forget what just happened. Then six months later they discover that they are quagmired in Iran with America, the king of quagmire making.
>>539792651Elaborate?
>>539783042they totally have the ability to escalate, but they don't have the ability to win and anything they achive will burn an incalculable ammount of resources just to maintainMutts don't wanna deplet their arsenal in a prlolonged logistical nightmare of a siege while china bides their time and hides their cardds
>>539792871>This doesn’t work Iran is not structured like thatare you suggesting that there's not a leader?there is always someone in charge. always.if there's not someone official, then we call who we think is important out by name and say that they are the "leader" in the sense that they're the next person to die when a ship gets touched.> and besides your not blowing up any granite chud bunkers. i assure you, we can put a warhead anywhere we want to on earth. my humble suggestion is that we drop it in the leader's lap.>This is the most retadly ill planned war I’ve ever seen for Israel.i am not a fan of how kid-gloved we have been thus far.we have an obvious path to getting what we want, so why aren't we doing it?
>>539784380Bruh, this guy was saying the soviet union was here to stay and then it collapsed the same year. I think it's a better question to ask whether he's ever predicted something correctly.
>>539792841>renowned geopolitical analystMearsheimer is just to easy to prove wrong. Everything he said the opposite happened. Israel would struggle in Gaza, Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine and when they did he said Ukraine has no chance. The list goes on.
>>539783668Is the strait of hormuz open or closed?
>>539792881The IRGC is more popular then ever, before the US attacked most of the youth really didn’t give a shit about them and the muh evil Americans are coming rhetoric they heard their entire lives, especially the ones in Tehran. And they bombed them killing a school full of kids. wtf do you think how they are reacting? How would you react? It’s not hard to imagine
>>539793095technically, it is open.however, no one is traversing it because of insurance.this is why i like my plan >>539792662it incentivizes whoever is in charge of iran to ensure that ships aren't fucked with.
>>539792984You are not penetrating granite mountain bunkers thats hopeium and this is just a childish fantasy you have there and not compatible with reality live is not a movie
The only thin mutts can "escalate" is its own collapse.
>>539793065Mearsheimer is either a useful idiot or russia's paying him so much, he just pretends to be an idiot every time he opens his mouth.
>>539793176>erm, technically
>>539793268>you are not penetrating granite mountain bunkersyou are suggesting that the "leader" hides in a granite bunker to escape us?let's assume that your assumption that we can't penetrate granite mountain bunkers.okay.you think he would rather be buried alive, lol?he has to get in there somehow, right?whatever structure that is can be destroyed just like we did with their nuke shit.your child-like understanding is entertaining.
>>539792436Iran rotting from the inside isn't enough. Again, the country could experience regime collapse and become a quagmire. It's wishful thinking to assume an opposition group will just take power and the country becomes stable.>. Trump doesn't make decisionsHe's the commander in chief, currently the strikes are on pause again because he wants more completely pointless talks...> The gulf states are getting heavily supplied with weaponsThe gulf states have been incredibly reluctant to take any action against Iran themselves in spite of most of Iran's attacks being aimed at them. The gulf states are also furious with the US right now for this charade of idiotic negotiations, this is a bad situation for them and it will be very very bad if the desalination plants start getting hit.>Of course their may be increases but that's always been the way even without war or conflict.I agree. If you go into a war you have to expect to put up with these things.The problem is Trump and the GOP do not want to put up with this. Trump is trying to get gas down again because right now the GOP are set to lose the senate and the house in the midterms. If that happens then the Dems are going to force the war to an end (remember, it's a very unpopular war with the American people).I have no doubt that the US could win this war on a timescale of a couple of years, but you're not going to get it won before november. And it isn't an easy war, anyone who says it's an easy war is nuts, even the most hawkish people don't think it's an easy task to regime change Iran.Vietnam was lost back at home in the US rather than on any battlefield. The US did well in every battle with the NVA but it was the situation back home that ended the war.
>>539793122>The IRGC is more popular then everThey just have to limit the media and stop Iranians from the Internet though. That's how popular they are. Listen to yourself. Where did you even get that info? Has anyone even talked to anyone from Iran recently? Iran wasn't already going through economic hardship and the people knew they were squandering money on pointless shit even before the air strikes. Even the Iranians who support the government are going to have a hard time doing it because they will be living in such poverty.
>>539788762>The biggest advantage America has over the whole world and by far is It's logistic capabilities.Americas ability to transport muntions are meaningless when its ability to build muntions is insufficient by a very wide margin. There is nothing to shift from A to B.
>>539790066I know dude its like people forgot that there are other weapons than precise missiles that cost 40 million, it makes me mad seeing people mock us when we could easily blow up millions of people right now.
>>539783866America isn’t being irrational. You have to look at it through the lens of:>The US and the EU are jewish vassal states>jews hate their vassals and want to genocide them, along with the rest of the world>jews are overconfident and have hubrisThen it all becomes very rational
>>539793457its also retardedly ill informed. there are massive bottlenecks in material acqusition that the Pentagon literally designed to benefit political insiders. like 100% of all the cotton packing used to make explosives is made by one plant in Arizona for example. providing cotton to all of NATO. there are single-firms making maybe 10 interceptor missiles PER YEAR. during the hot period of hostilities they were firing hundreds per week.
>>539793268>You are not penetrating granite mountain bunkersThis was the kind of stuff people were saying before Americans actually did bunker bomb. You probably think they have big facilities deep in the mountains? Any facilities in mountains or bunkers are not that deep. You came on here with the audacity saying I was delusional but the minute you started typing nothing but bullshit came from your hands. Ya big dutch faggot.
>>539793387Again>leaderThats not how irans military structure functions civilian and military operate in separate structures and the military structure is also cell based hiding in granite rocket mountains you can’t penetrate. Objectively operating like a nuclear war allready happend. It seems you don’t know shit
>>539793457>>539793572>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!>YOU GUISE WILL RUN OUT OF MISSILES!i feel like we have more missiles than iran has potential leaders, lol.my plan is very straight-forward and cost-effective.see >>539792662
>>539793579and since they dropped their bombs they have done fuck all to minimize their ability to strike back, as mutt media constantly complains and acts shocked (how do they still have so many missiles? muh air power!) its been like 80+ years of proving you can't win with mass bombing campaigns alone, but here you are still carrying the bag for the MIC. way to go Mick.
>>539793354I have a conspiracy theory on Mearsheimer that he actually works for NATO. Using the "appear weak while being strong" tactics that the American military often uses. Then people will accuse him of being Russia propagandist in the process.
>>539793634(you)
>>539793627>th th that's not how it works!someone is negotiating, therefore someone is in charge.we call that person the leader, and let them know they're on the hook for the "bill", lol.whoever that is, they become instantly incentivized to ensure that ships passing through the straight of hormuz do so safely.if you think we can't find them, you are wrong.if you think we can't put a missile in their lap while they're on the shitter, you are wrong.it's a very simple plan that relies on things we're very good at, and makes the safe-passage of ships iran's problem.>th th they're in bunkers!and?
>>539793429>Listen to yourself. Where did you even get that info? From the people on the ground in iran and geopolitical experts and history how these things play outHas anyone even talked to anyone from Iran recently? >Iran wasn't already going through economic hardship and the people knew they were squandering money on pointless shit even before the air strikes.Even the Iranians who support the government are going to have a hard time doing it because they will be living in such povertyThis is a western and a naive view of the world they are not like us. they know hardship and they will endure check the 80’s Iran Iraq war for an example.
>>539793814>This is a western and a naive view of the world they are not like us.they are more like us than you think, lol.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrVrdfURxFg
>>539793579You clearly haven’t done any serious research they are deep as fuck pickaxe mountain is a km underground
>>539793875and, they have an entrance and an exit, right?
>>539793405>He's the commander in chiefThe military wouldn't and couldn't allow someone like Trump to make military decisions. Even putin doesn't have that authority. He's only there for distractions and to make America look weak. The gulf states know that America will look after them in the future. Especially economically.
>>539793572America also spreads production out over many voting districts to get support for new fraud/weapons:>want to buy a new missile>have to bribe 30 senators>missile parts are now made in 30 different states and final assembly is done somewhere else just to get the budget approved
>>539793761And why would they negotiate? They are allready refusing to negotiate because it’s clearly in bad faith. Thats how the US killed the ayatollah and about 5 other negotiators after that. No off-ramp
>>539787370>America needs that united spirit it had in the past.Pretty close to you saying “america needs a new pearl harbor or 9/11”.
>>539794002>And why would they negotiate?lol, no.you misunderstand.i DON'T want to negotiate.i'm pointing out that someone IS negotiating.that means they have authority to do so.this implies a command structure.at the top of that structure is they guy who will die.it's not hard.you're just dumb.
>>539793814>From the people on the ground in iranWho though? If things were so stable in Iran then why the censorship?>they know hardshipNah they really don't. They had good terms with Russia, China and even America to some extent but that's all changed now. The Iranians can see the modern world around them and know that's how they could be living. They know their elites are hypocrites who send their sons and daughters to the west for a good life while they struggle.
>>539792662The next leader will just stay in a bunker
>>539793457>its ability to build muntions is insufficient Just stop.
>>539794113>The next leader will just stay in a bunkerdo food and water magically teleport in there,or do they need to pass through some kind of entrance?does that leader like the idea of being buried alive and slowly starving to death?that doesn't sound very appealing to me.
>>539793890>just bomb the gazillion exits with JDAMS that you dont have enough off and they will dig themselves out in a dayAnd they can shoot rockets out of mountains with production going on underground and a bazillion drones. Like I typed this is the most retarded war tactical and strategy wise I’ve ever seen.
>>539793890Several of them. You bomb them, they will just tunnel right back in
>>539793680>its been like 80+ years of proving you can't win with mass bombing campaigns aloneYes you certainly can. Ask the people in Gaza is a bombing campaign effective. You're just repeating shit that was said about Vietnam. And even at that the bombing campaign was highly effective in Vietnam.
>>539794059You are a military and political genius
>>539794215...you think they've dug a million exits and entrances?no. no they haven't, lol.remember, it's "solid granite", right?that shit costs money and time.and it's not easy.or they would have dug up their nuke shit, lol.no, some motherfucker tries to hide in a bunker and he gets to enjoy starving to death in the dark.simple as.>th th they can shoot the drones!yeah, that's MY point.my plan disincentivizes that.whenever a drone strikes a ship, the leader gets killed.rather than trying to find and destroy these things, we make it in their best interest to do that.simple as.
>>539794077You are watching to much propoganda buddy
>>539783042>MearsheimerWhy do people revere him? His track record sucks.. I guess you can be an old fuck, talk with confidence and people will take you seriously
>>539794271>Several of them. You bomb them, they will just tunnel right back inthat's why they can get their nuke shit, right?lol, c'mon man.
>>539794174Bunkers will obviously have supplies for months, even years. You destroy a entrance, they will just use another. Do you think important bunkers will have only one? If you destroy them all they will just tunnel back in. Clearing rock and debris isn't that complicated
>>539794308>You are a military and political geniusthat's what your mom says.also, you need to pick some more milk.
>>539794326Jezus you are retarded
>>539794045It got shit done didn't it?
>>539790066you are aware you are already trying that and its not enough
>>539794355>Bunkers will obviously have supplies for months, even years.>iranian leadership will totally be able to rule from within a mountain.>surely, no one outside of the mountain would just take over>also, we LOVE living in the dark and slowly starving to deathlol
alright, it's been fun.gotta go sign some missles.this one's for you, lol.
>>539794396>iranian leadership will totally be able to rule from within a mountain.That is exactly what is happening. The new leader hasn't made a public appearance.
>>539794340Why are all your talking points so common then?
>>539794355They have underground trains connecting god knows how many mountains with drone factories probably have a hydroponic mountain to produce food atleast I would don’t have proof for that one tho.
>>539794443Because they are describing what is actually happening on the ground.
>>539794605On the ground from who?
>>539794637People with cameras recording things in Iran
>>539794527You're on here saying things like Iranian have bunkers that go 1km underground, which is laughable if you knew anything about bunkers. Where or what the fuck are your "on the ground" sources?
The Middle East isn't even our enemies. They're Israel's problem. Why do we keep sending Americans to die so Israel can grow?
>>539794136This book was a brutal red-pill back in the day. For anyone who is interested I recommend checking out Grant F. Smith's 'Big Israel' for a more comprehensive albeit boring account on the Israeli lobby and it's nefarious influence over American domestic and foreign policy.
>>539794791>it's nefarious influence over American domestic What's the domestic policy about?
>>539794791ty anon for the suggestion
>>539792436>America just needs to wait it out.So two more weeks?>>539792530Russia isn’t afraid of invasion from Sweden or Binland. >>539792570So? Have you ever seen combat ? If so, state when and where. >>539792596Wrong. It started during 2020 election with Q-Tards.
>>539794870It's illegal to boycott Israeli corporations in some US states.
>>539792651He has a combination of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, the low IQ typical of Irishmen, and being drunk. >>539792828>Mattis is an E-celebYour retardation knows no depths. >>539794342Because his logic is sound. You hate him because his logic has no room for ethnic grievances against muh Russia
>>539783138>roots
>>539794957Think I'll start lobbying
>>539794955I think it started with the lockdowns and 2 weeks to flatten the curve
>>539794955>Russia isn’t afraid>>539794979>You hate him because his logic has no room for ethnic grievances against muh RussiaSlavic?
>>539795134Yes, Russia is not afraid of a NATO invasion from Sweden or Finland. But it is afraid of one from the Ukraine. Read a book for once. >>539795134>SlavicNo, Anglo-Germanic. I’ve traced my male line to England in the 1600s and Germany in the 1800s.
>>539794870>>539794870Lobbying to receive state-funding for pro-Israeli organizations and initiatives such as education around antisemitism or legislation to prevent criticism/boycotts of Israel For example: Texas House Bill 89 prohibits any state government body from contracting any company that boycotts Israel. This is made possible through a myriad of umbrella organizations and political action committees that leverage a vast network of individual donors (Evangelical Zionists, Jews and various other sycophants such as RINO Republicans) to finance pro-Israeli political campaigns at the state-level.
>>539787574>>539787797If America had remained the pan-European, Christian nation that it was intended to be, then it would be worth fighting for.
>>539795415Yes, but that was in response to BDS anti Israel boycotts.
>>539795544What are the amish then?
>>539789703Answer the question potato nigger. Besides higher gas prices and losing the mid terms.
>>539794443>Why are all your talking points so common then?flat earth tier response.>everyone says the earth is round that's suspicious propaganda
>>539783042Measheimer = paid Russian butt-boy.Nigger, Trump can literally order a ground invasion tomorrow. He would lose the mid-terms, but he doesn't give a fuck.
