That the second part of the Great War was an ideoloigcal war (let alone a war to save jews, nobody gives a rat ass about jews). It was a territorial war, with the goal of Germany and Italy being the expansion of its territory and getting control over Caucasian and North African oil fields against the interests of the USSR, UK and the US oil industry.Sounds familiar?The goal of NATO (EU) in Ukraine is not some ideological bullshit around "democracy", but to expand the territory controlled by the EU (and NATO) and get control over energy resources.If Russia wouldnt have such a pussy in charge as Putin and Lavrow they would have nuked Kiew and Brussels 3 years ago.
>>539784322yeah that checks out much better than liebensraum and muh holocoaster
>>539784483Germans did lebensraum in WW1 right before the treaty of Versailles ended it. Hitler didn't invent the ideology
>>539784483Like seriously how it is even contested.There is nothing else in North Africa, that at the time was controlled by the UK and France, then oil. What other reason would the Italian armed forces have to deploy resources into a desert BUT to get control over the only thing down there with value, energy
>>539784601I don't understand what you think you figured out all colonial expansion is about obtaining resources
>>539784818I just made a statement and provided evidence, that is politically incorrect to say as it goes against established narratives propagated and believed by retards for over 8 decades, that is nonetheless true
>>539784926That doesn't mean it wasn't ideological though. It just means they fought for the resources needed to enforce the will of their ideology
>>539784322In partnership with the US oil industry actually. It is what it is.
>>539785073Wrong. The narrative for the past 80 years has always been the following: The USA and USSR entered the war for "ideological" reasons, when the reality was, that the USA and USSR were largely cooperating with Germany when the Germans already attacked France, a libtardian democracy and were at war with the UKWith no silable is it mentioned in the official propaganda that Germanys and Italies quest for oil resources and it going against the UKs the USSRs and the USAs interest was a motivation.The "ideological" component was always just propaganda.
>>539785247yeah, until the US oil industry realized they gonna lose Millions at the time, if Germany and Italy would actually succeed, losing market share
>when the reality was, that the USA and USSR were largely cooperating with Germany when the Germans already attacked FranceUSA passed laws to supply Britain and France with weapons in 1939 they were always against Germany. Russia simply just wanted to watch Germany and the democracies exhaust each other because it's easier to foment communist uprisings that way
>>539785624typical US Realist politics of the early 20th century. While having trading relationships with Germany at the same time selling as well weapons and having trading relationships with their enemy.The second part of the great war hd nothing to do with ideology, and anybody still repeating that mid 20th century propaganda lie disqualified himself to have his opinion been taken serious, and identified himself as a brainwashed moron or a retarded 20th century propagandist
>>539785776>The second part of the great war hd nothing to do with ideologyBy second part you mean operation Barbarossa? Yes Hitler was forced to secure oil in the east but only because Stalin was making moves on it first and Hitler needed it to survive a war of attrition against America that was coming
>>539785961I mean the narrative propagated mainly by the "middle" so called "liberal democracies", that they were the "rational" "good guys" that first fought against "the evil right wing" (which were just a bunch of socialists) and then in the years after held the line against the "far left"
>>539784322>It was a territorial warthat's basically every war
>>539786108yesbut for the past 80 years the narrative that dominated has been that "WW 2" was a purely ideological war. And more relevant that the proxy war between nato and Russia is some ideological war as well
>>539784322All world leaders are marionettes with jew string pullers
>>539786087Yes the winners will always have the luxury of justifying their actions in the simplest terms possible as they are the only people allowed to ask questions. But WW1 and WW2 were the same exact conflict at the end of the day. Germany was making unprecedented scientific and economic advancements on a yearly basis before 1914 and Britain knew it was a matter of time before their global influence would become irrelevant if Germany wasn't snuffed out
>>539784322this was unironically taught to leafs in highschool during history classi guarantee you 110% that part of the curriculum is gone now
>>539787018And Germany knew to keep growing it would need energy independence. Something it completely lacks on it territory — and why it is yet again involved in a territorial war. And to repeat OP, if Putin wasnt such a fucking weak ass leader, Berlin, Brussels and Kiew would by now be craters
>>539787269That is interesting. The only one who I ever talked to IRL that agreed with me on the matter of the reasons for the second part of the great war was a candian IR professor with who I joked back then, that Germany might try the same thing again; non of us was thinking it would actually happen 10 years down the road
Whats the ethnic status of southern russia? Whatever, its immaterial. The western nations are all collapsing internally anyways.
>>539787760Not fast enough. It would help a lot if Russia would deploy nukes on non nuclear powers, force the hated leaderships of the EUSSR to enact a draft and face violent internal uprisings
>>539787946It doesn't really matter. America is donezo. You can probably perceive from afar that every war the government has a harder time getting the populace to go along with it. The only reason they got away with iraq and afghanistan is they did 9/11. Even then almost the entire populace hates these wars. That is because the nation is no longer America. It is now 1/4 America and the other 3/4 are foreign nations called Blacks, hispanics, asians, jews, etc. The same will happen to Europe now. The whole social fabric will disintegrate. Any possibility of patriotism or a war will disappear. You will see european neonazis allying with muslims against the government because everyone hates the feds. This is what the fall of rome looked like. A nation is by definition a group of people, so when a different group of people takes over the territory, the nation ceases to exist.
>>539788487The mechanic is something completely different.Up until roughly the mid 2010s, it was still possible to fabricate consensus top down through "trusted" epistemic authority; media, "experts", political "institutions". The majority was not yet exposed to the internet and challenging the authority of narratives at scale. That changedNo "government" on the planet is able anymore to fabricate consensus top down, neither is any other group able to "unite" enough brains to be dominant.And on your "neo nazi" bullshit; you just identified yourself as a brainwashed neo marxist freak or a libtardian idiot, the only epistemic bubbbles using the term "neo nazi"In my book YOU are the enemy
>>539788772You dont really understand what is going on in my country. America is like 5 or 6 different nations now. That is why it cannot go to war. It is splintering apart like Rome when it got invaded by your cousins.
>>539789246And the mechanism is the loss of epistemic authority; which is 100% the fault of your epistemic bubble of 20th century brainwashed freaks that thought themselves to be in control over the truth because their narratives were printed in dead ad blog media losing reach.You have only yourself to blame libtard dnc voter. And now tell us why orange man is bad and how January 6th was totally a Putsch attempt Fucking freak
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>>539789395bro, you killed your own thread by being a dick to people who are making neutral observations. it's an interesting topic - however, the role of oil as a driving motivator of war is a well known topic that you can find dozens of books on at your library.
