Now that most vehicles are electric, I noticed the smell of diesel and petrol cars much more. Politically, EVs are here to stay but battery production pushes the emissions and pollution upstream. Mining lithium and cobalt is ruinous to health, and employs child labour for pennies. Governments are fighting over mineral deposits and the German car industry is finished. EVs are clean at the point of use but require Chinese dominance to thrive. Moreover, electricity is hugely expensive thanks to net zero goals. How do we square this circle?
>>539812436You can't, I came to that conclusion some time ago and have unironically moved towards beasts of burden, not only for environmental reasons, but for self sufficiency reasons, it's a very simple supply chain.They eat things that are easy to grow.They shit things that make things grow better.Pentti Linkola was right.
>>539812436You should ban all cars that aren't EVs.You don't have a right to give children cancer with your pollution.
>>539812576I admire your radical solution straya anon, but it won't work here in London. There's nowhere to park my horse.
>>539812436>Now that most vehicles are electricHow's the weather in 2274?
>>539812684There will be soon if your muzzies and jeets keep burning shit.
>>539812735>How's the weather in 2274?Toasty enough that danes can skip the scarves.
>>539812436Haven't you read about the recent advances in Sodium batteries?CATL (Chinese) have already started production of Sodium batteriesThey have lower energy density compared to lithium BUTThey do not catch fireThey work in cold freezing weather
>>539812436You're probably smelling lower grade fuel, most countries have lowered standards because of the Iran thing
>>539812436>Now that most vehicles are electric, I noticed the smell of diesel and petrol cars much more.
>>539812436You're forgetting infrastructure adaptation costs and centralisation of risks in the electrical grid.That alone makes it likely that this ideological prt project is not here to stay but will fall to the teeth of time.
>>539812436I guess I will feel sorry for all those people who live in a lithium mine instead of the people who live in a city now that the pollution has been antisemitically moved from the middle of the city to the uninhabited mine.
>>539813083Honestly, I think>Wow, that electric car has a nice exhaust notewas the correct response.
Why is everybody such a flaming queer these days
>>539813059Shut up, stinky pakihttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352152X25034814
>>539813196London is a pretty polluted nasty city
>>539813115>infrastructure adaptation costs Poast link.
>>539813076It's the engine performance not the fuel quality. Service vans stink.
>>539813376No loicence to see the weather. Fuck climate change.
>>539813115Electric grid is massively more decentralized than petroleum manufacturing and distribution. Literally anyone can install a solar panel and power their home and charge their vehicle at home and the actual electric grid if you prefer that option is also massively decentralized and resistant to disruption. Meanwhile there are entire countries that do not have oil, do not manufacture petrol or diesel and rely on a single point of failure import logistics to deliver it to them.
>>539812684>I admire your radical solution straya anon, but it won't work here in London. There's nowhere to park my horse.Unfortunately that's where the radical solutions come in.Our numbers are unsustainable, our way of life is unsustainable, travel to any third world country, china, india, africa, non-Whites of this earth spread and breed with reckless abandon consuming and destroying all, even now in our own countries we see the destruction and filth they bring, we are completely at odds with the natural balance and it will rebalance itself most violently if we don't address it first. We've centuries of industrialization debt that we're simply paying interest on, and we're well past the point of borrowing to pay the interest. If we continue to kick the problem down the road it only grows exponentially.There will be no collapse, the world will simply become one bigger third world shithole built upon mounds of plastic and industrial life until we degrade as a species to the point of our own destruction.This is unfortunately where my beliefs and those of the parasitic elite align, we do need a managed decline, we do need depopulation, but not for the purposes of control or enslavement, but to restore balance, to unfuck the mess we've made.Smaller population centres more evenly spread out across the planet, low environmental impact, no unsustainable growth, eugenics.
>>539813314why dont europeans just set up mining companies to acquire resources to make batteries and why don't they just build nuclear reactors to create cheap energy. all this talk about nazis and fighting the wrong side wingers of the wing war and it seems you guys lost track of important things like supply chains for resources, technological competitiveness and infrastructure. do you think any european country today has the competence to build a nuclear reactor?
>>539813415its hard to parse your comment. are you british or australian? and why do you think australians have such a magical lifestyle? arent you guys declining in wealth and competitiveness rapidly? and why do you pretend that australians today are white? odds are you're a recent import yourself.
>>539813415australians are insane. you have 28m cities and cant provide electricity for yourself and want to collapse but china can sustain cities of 20 or 30 million easily. why are australians so incompetent and self hating?
>>539813273https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J091Zl9kXzg
>>539813376Vans usually have good commercial or semi commercial engines
>>539813555aren't indians supposed to be die hard american nationalists? why admit china is doing well in battery tech?
>>539812436>most vehicles are electricSuch lazy bait lol
>>539812436> Now that most vehicles are electricWhere the heck are you living where that statement is true. Some kind of rich persons area. Normal people cannot afford electric cars.
>>539813665Sodium batteries are about 60% as important as curing cancerWhoever gives the world this must be appreciatedWe put aside our nationalistic inclinations for this
>>539813708might be true in england but its not true in canada yet. the only electric cars we have are teslas and chinese cars are only starting to trickle in - and its only happened because the americans stopped wanting to trade with us in the last few years.
>>539812436remember when petrol smelled really intoxicating and kinda nice?remember when a petrol stain would leave rainbow stripes on asphalt?no, of course you don't
>>539812436>Mining lithium and cobalt is ruinous to healthNot really.Also, the next generation of EV will all use cheap and environmentally safe sodium batteries.
>>539812576>They shitThat's the problem
>>539813780whats funny is the americans blasted the world with propaganda saying oil is running out when really i think it was a scam to discourage oil exploration and the presures of the earth and geological forces cause oil to be created perpetually. but all the fear mongering about peak oil made the chinese jump head first into electric.
Why not just use a bike? Far cheaper and with substantially less hassle in daily life compared to cars with all their additional expenses and complicated systems.They take up a lot less space too on the road.
>>539813764>remember when petrol smelled really intoxicating and kinda nice?I do. It still smells nice when I walk in to my garage full of old shit with carburetors.
>>539813916i have an office with a window facing the street and crackheads will tap the window trying to sell stolen ebikes several times a week. i CAN NOT use an ebike in canada because of property crime.
>>539813408I have a fuck-huge solar array and if the power from the grid goes out my house loses power even though I generate enough power to be "off grid".
>>539813916Only gays and niggers ride bicycles
>>539813824You shit.
>>539813731Central London
>>539813555Fuck off stinky paki
>>539813780Yes, mining lithium and cobalt, the way it's done in the rift Valley, is super toxic. Uranium and cobalt go hand-in-hand, as well. Where you find cobalt, silver, and nickel (things you need for batteries) you will find radioactive uranium isotopes.
>>539813859Easy-to-reach oil is indeed running out.It just happens that almost everyone with large oil reserves lies about how much oil they have because scarcity equals profit.
>>539813415natvral trvke
>>539813929Gas and diesel exhaust make me nauseous.
>>539814397Most of the lithium we find on earth with concentrations high enough to mine is found in deserts where millions of years of layering sediments and evaporation concentrated it.Very small impact on my stuff in the desert.But again, the next generation of EVs is already coming with sodium batteries (it also doesn't burn like hellfire when you poke a hole in it).
>>539814629They make you nauseated. Something nauseous makes you nauseated.
>>539814094>I have a fuck-huge solar array and if the power from the grid goes out my house loses power even though I generate enough power to be "off grid".That's a wiring issue, there's no technical reason why you couldn't be off grid if you have a large solar array. Most solar panels aren't set up to directly power the home because most people aren't really schizoids that care about "centralization of risks in the electrical grid" but that's just a question of set up and priorities. If you want you can change the wiring such that the solar panels actually provide primary or secondary power to your house, it's not all that difficult or expensive even if you want to be prepared. In fact if you have a "huge" solar array it's probably something you should do because selling power back to the electric company is typically the least effective way of using solar panels, a battery (which an electric car also is) will pay itself if you can utilize some of the extra energy during the evenings for instance. There is no way to do the same with gasoline, you are entirely dependent on distribution out of your control and the manufacture and distribution is much more centralized, netherlands for instance is lucky and has actual oil (most countries don't even have that) and yet it relies on just a handful refineries to produce all of their gasoline, most of those are in one location too, meanwhile electric grid is supported by thousands of power stations and again you can simply disconnect if you feel like it.
>>539814862technically it's a wiring issue but in fact it's a government and power company issueit's easier for them to control the grid if houses don't have real autonomy it's also supposedly safer for some reason the power company guy explained it to be but I don't remember the details now tl,dr: government
>>539815184>but in fact it's a government and power company issueNo it's not. It's not illegal to remove your house from the grid nor is it even antisemitic. You can do it literally any time you want. I have no idea what you are on about. And again all of that actually DOES apply to gasoline distribution. It is in fact illegal to set up a refinery of your own in your house and the government DOES have actual control over gasoline production and distribution.
>>539814862>huge solar arrayWell, its pretty big. Maybe not HUGE. Its 20kw. Im not electrical engineer but my understanding is the excess energy needs to go somewhere. Im working on a battery back up now. I do need to figure out a way to disconnect from the grid so my house can be powered if the grid goes down. Its super gay and annoying.
>>539815270>You can do it literally any time you want.yes, you can completely cut your house off the grid, surebut, at least here, if you want to power company to buy your excess solar production or store it on your virtual power account (to be redeemed in the winter), you have to let them connect it in such a way that if the general grid is down, your solar panels don't power your house until the grid is back up that's what I meantbut yes, you can go Mad Max anytime you want, it just takes some paperwork
>>539814629I'm fine with gas, but diesel has always gave me an immediate headache.
>>539815352>but my understanding is the excess energy needs to go somewhere. That would be the battery pack. Obviously any electric controller from this century will not fry the panels or your house if the "energy doesn't go anywhere", the panels will simply be disconnected but that's obviously wasteful which is why typically it's just sold to the grid or put into a battery for later use.
>>539815421>yes, you can completely cut your house off the grid, sureAnd anything in between. Again total freedom vs total control with gasoline>but, at least here, if you want to power company to buy your excess solar production or store it on your virtual power account (to be redeemed in the winter), you have to let them connect it in such a way that if the general grid is down, your solar panels don't power your house until the grid is back upJust set up a battery. How about the gasoline how are you going to refine that when the government says no?
>>539814629Maybe you are gay bro?
>>539812436All EVs I see are the ones on the junkyard after the free leasing ends.
>>539815492I am not arguing about gasoline at allwas just making a comment on how solar works with the power company involvedI didn't get a battery because it was (2020) still very expensive and made the whole solar panel thing economically unviable of course they can control gasoline much tighter than electricityjust look at what's going on in pidorussia
>>539815435Ideally I would like a battery back-up that I can use when the panels arent producing and to be able to switch from feeding the grid to powering only the house/charging the batteries when the grid is down.I'm fine with selling the excess to the power company but also don't want to lose power to my house.
>>539815618>was just making a comment on how solar works with the power company involvedYou were just wrong on your point though. The government does not prevent you from either installing panels or going off grid. You simply do not have an argument. The government does prevent you from refining your own gasoline which is why it's strange that you bring this up as an argument against solar.
>>539815678>I'm fine with selling the excess to the power company but also don't want to lose power to my house.I mean majority of panels are set up like that for a reason. It's just the most convenient way of doing things. Like I said above, most people aren't schizoids so they don't think that the government will shut down the electric grid to prevent them from driving but somehow won't do the same to gasoline for some reason even though the kind of schizoid that could be stopped will have his own solar panel set up that can't be stopped by some dude without showing up on your property to physically disable it. As they say "it just works" and that's enough for vast majority of people.
>>539812436>most vehicles are electrickek, no, what kind of bizarro world do you live in? maybe 1 in 20 is electric. EV death traps are a form of eugenics as they're driven exclusively by virtue signalling libtards and faggots.
>>539813059sodium freakin roadways
>>539815947Maybe instead of praying they should have put some effort in to shutting off the self driving feature, and stopped the fucking car.>inb4 you can't Bullshit. Aside from catastrophic mechanical failure there's no way you couldn't override and stop the car.
>>539813415that sentiment is exactly the origin of "Billions have to die"Chud was right all along
>>539816174Dependencies create vulnerabilities. Cars shouldn't have self-driving features. You have no proof he didn't try to turn it off and it wasn't responding. I mean, look at what it was doing. Driving him into a jersey barrier then into another car. It was totally scitzed out.
>>539816431>You have no proof he didn't try to turn it off and it wasn't responding.Yeah, that would be the catastrophic mechanical failure I mentioned, which is possible. That being said i would be surprised that there's no fail safes to keep that from happening, a master override, or even an emergency stop button to completely shut down the vehicle. I find it more likely it's operator error vs a manufactured product that has to meet safety standards having absolutely no way to shut down the vehicle.
>>539816774You're probably right. I looked it up and reports say he was DUI and the cars self-driving feature wasn't on.
>>539816774>i would be surprised that there's no fail safesthe "fail safes" are routines in the software, if the software is glitched so will the fail safes. EVs (and to a lesser extent nu-cars) are death traps, simple as. I will never "drive" one.
>>539817258>"fail safes" are routines in the softwareThat's a glaring problem.How in the hell did that slip past?>>539817243>duilol, no wonder
>>539817258Thats fucking gnarly. That thing went up in a matter of seconds. Those lads barely made it out and the last one was already on fire. Holy fuck. If that was kids in car seats they would have been cooked alive. What a piece of shit.
>>539812436>EVs are clean at the point of use but require Chinese dominance to thrive.Chinese dominance is going to happen whether you buy EVs or not.
>>539817432>>"fail safes" are routines in the software>That's a glaring problem.>How in the hell did that slip past?because the regulation is run by people who hate you and want you dead.
>>539817444checked. this is why I will never drive an EV nor a car made after 2010.
>>539818274I've done a fair bit of research (published academic papers) into E.V.s, lithium-ion batteries, the whole production chain, political implications (Newsomes 2025 proposal to bad ICE production) etc and they really are pieces of shit.
>>539812576The amish or Mennonites or whatever the fuck they are do that here. I sometimes see them on the roads going into town in their little horse and carriages. It does actually seem quite intelligent and reasonable now that I look at the state of this pile of shit globalist hell hole nigger filled dystopic mess of a """"""""""country""""""""""They will not even flinch when it all comes crashing down.
>>539818242Seems like a reactionary response, but all things considered it's not, you're probably right.Pretty fucked up.
