Chinas mass production of home-grown immersion DUV lithography machines marks what could be the first major step toward catching up far faster than even optimistic forecasts suggestedhttps://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-starts-production-home-grown-immersion-duv-chipmaking-tools-source-2026-07-28/Led by state-backed Aishengna (absorbing top local talent), output starts small but delivers to SMIC, Hua Hong and CXMT soon. These tools enable 28nm easily and push to 7nm/5nm via multi-patterning - sufficient for high-volume AI chips, memory, and processors. At 10-30x lower costs than cutting-edge Western setups (no EUV royalties, localized supply, scale), China could flood markets with competitive or superior-performing AI hardware. Lower barriers mean explosive data center buildout, cheaper training/inference, and rapid iteration - flipping the economics of AI supremacy despite sanctions. Full domestic DUV breaks reliance on ASMLs restricted tools. Even if initially lower-yield, it provides a resilient alternative. Further tweaks + multi-patterning close the gap on advanced nodes without EUV, accelerating self-sufficiency and eroding the Wests chokepoint leverage years ahead of scheduleFurther EUV miniaturisation faces severe physics barriers below 2nm - stochastic noise, power/heat issues, mask defect and exponentially rising costs make reliable high-volume production extremely difficult even with High-NA EUV. Meanwhile China leads in quantum scale (photonic/supersonic systems) and patents. It could erode Western edges in classical + quantum tech, enabling cheaper AI/supercomputing parity and decryption breakthroughs, potentially ending unchallenged supremacy by creating dual-use strategic equivalence. Thats why i am bullish on China xD
it is stolen us technology and the usa should sanction the netherlands over it. their chips are still crap and the only reason they would ever be able to sell for cheaper is because of their currency manipulation. china is over, chang. no one is going to allow them to dump their slop on the market
>>539813815EUV is a dead end, and Jews cant rule the world for good of the world itself. Competition is good. Stop being so salty xD
>>539813897>EUV is a dead endAnd i mean it. Thats why China doesnt even bother to vaste resources on this shit and instead pushes everything into quantum computing + economical DUV. At sub-2nm, 13.5nm wavelength + stochastic shot noise causes massive variability in photon absorption, worsening line-edge roughness and defects. High-NA EUV boosts resolution but slashes depth of focus, throughput (fewer wafers/hour) and requires extreme power/heat management. Multi-patterning adds complexity/cost exponentially. Physics (Poisson statistics, resist limits) makes reliable high-volume manufacturing impractical and uneconomic beyond current node. Westoids must face bankruptcy at this point xD
>>539813535where rgb led
>>539814430Nokia was cool. In early 00s. I listened to Bumfuck and owned 3310 as a child too but it doesnt mean that Finland is still any relevant xD
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Why didnt they go for a FEL fab yet? All this complicated lenses mess when they could just hook up a FEL and adjust the power given their energy buildout it makes sense for them. Also they wouldnt need to reverse engineer western tech for that.
>>539814853FEL remains highly experimental. It requires massive linear accelerators for coherent X-ray beams, it faces unsolved challenges in power stability, beam control, optics, resist interactions and foremost throughput for high-volume manufacturing. China prioritizes rapid scaling of mature DUV tech for immediate production needs over unproven experimental systems. BTW, China actively invests in FEL, it built facilities for advanced lithography research like Shanghai Soft X-ray Free-Electron Laser etc. However, quantum computing shows faster, more promising breakthroughs.
>>539814853Their stead state microbunching experimental synchrotron laser is under construction. It is many years away from commercialization. They have several concurrent project ongoing at the same time. DUV just hit mass production. EUV is expected to hit mass production in the early 2030s.
>>539813815Ah yes, sanction them. That'll absolutely accomplish something.
>>539815921China treats EUV as one parallel project among many (DUV scale-up, quantum, FEL). It allocates far less total spend than the concentrated Western ecosystem (ASML/Zeiss/IMEC decades of private+gov R&D), prioritizing quick DUV wins for current production. EUV might happen but might also never happen if quantum/FEL breaktroughs show up.
The thing about China is scale. If they build one they will build a thousand. If you can make things cheap enough you don't need to be on the absolute frontier if you can just have an architecture with three of whatever it is instead.
>>539816799True. A 2nm chip offers only 45% more performance than 7nm, so 1.4-1.5 Chinese 7nm chips match one 2nm. But China is ramping 7nm/5nm capacity from 20k to 100k wafers/month - vastly more than Western volumes. At 10x lower cost and with algorithmic innovations like sparse training, China can deploy swarms of chips, making per-chip node advantages irrelevant. Mass production + cost efficiency will flood AI hardware markets, eroding global Western share by 2027/2028. Thats my market bet xD
>>5398168732nm (GAA) brings 40-50% better perf/watt vs mature 7nm, plus efficiency gains critical for large AI clusters (power/ cooling costs dominate). But for China it might be irrelevant. Chinas cheap coal/renewable power + massive land for cooling reduces energy cost sensitivity. Algorithmic gains (sparse models, quantization) and sheer volume of cheaper 7nm/5nm chips allow massive overprovisioning, delivering comparable cluster throughput at far lower capex. Density advantages shrink when you deploy 2-3x more chips.
>>539817196Theoretically if a 2nm cluster trains it in 90 days, the 7nm swarm (3x chips) might take 150 days due to communication overhead. But Huaweis 160,000-card cluster achieves >95% linearity via self-developed "Lingqu" interconnect with 2.1μs latency. System-level optimization physically breaks the communication wall so scale-up doesnt linearly increase training time.
>>539813535may we see them?
>>539818182The Chinese have already three working/operational prototypes: SMEE SSA800, Yuliangsheng DUV SMIC and Aishengna DUV. Pic-rel is SSA800, currently produced for Chinese chip companies such as SMIC, Hua Hong and CXMT
>>539818415i meant the new ones in real not a CGI or AI image
>>539818500Thats the new one. The SSA800 is currently >85% locally sourced, with 15% still imported (specialty optics, coatings). Domestic suppliers are completing final validation, and 100% localization is expected within months. It will be soon (in months) first DUV machine in 100% (all parts) produced domestically. Meanwhile ASML supply chain is global hence vulnerable.
>>539818653thats a CGI image.BREAKINGGermany build their Juggernauthere is the REAL pic
>>539818500you're just butthurt China is doing what you're not allowed to
>>539818782what are you talking about you stupid nigger? all the euv machine parts come from germany and the usa
>>539818782keep me posted, when a new AI video emerges
imagine if the western world stopped funding NGOs and foreign aid and instead just spent all that money on improving the economy for their own nations
>>539818873Pfff xD ASML EUV machine has 700,000 parts from 5,000 suppliers across 60 countries. Germany supplies the critical optics (Zeiss) and high-power lasers (TRUMPF) - the core of the system. Netherlands handles mechanical modules and final integration. UK provides vacuum systems. Japan supplies mask blanks, inspection, and patterning tools. The US (Cymer light source and MKS gas controls) is just one node among many. The US role is far from dominant, one of many xD
>>539813815>sanction the largest trade port for the entire EUI don't care, personally.You're asking for WW3.
>>539819074>Germany supplies the critical optics (Zeiss) and high-power lasers (TRUMPF)BTW, China already has 100% domestic (not even one screw imported) alternatives for these two if we talk about DUV. For optics (Zeiss role): Molaite Optical, core supplier to SMEEs DUV lens systems. For laser source (TRUMPF role): Leisheng Laser (100% domestic solid-state DUV lasers, commercial) and CAS (solid-state 193nm DUV prototype).
>>539814285>At sub-2nmDo you think this tech will eventually become accessible enough for people to fabricate it at home, like the early chips?
>>539819074Although i must honestly/objectively admit that Cymer is very important. Cymer manufactures the droplet generator. This device shoots microscopic droplets of molten tin at 241 km/h through a vacuum, 50,000 times a second. Cymers technology controls hyper-precise synchronization required for TRUMPF laser to strike each individual droplet twice to create the EUV-emitting plasma. BTW, Beijing Keyi Hongyuan (backed by the CAS Institute of Microelectronics) acts as Chinas direct domestic alternative to Cymer for DUV light sources. They successfully developed and commercialized high-power ArF (and KrF excimer lasers, plugging directly into SMEEs homegrown lithography tools to achieve supply full chain independence.
>>539813815Moja cipeczka
>>539813535Good, the sooner the Jewish enslaved west collapses, the better.
>>539819074In a global crisis like port blockades, strait closures, drone strikes vs bulk carriers, one sunk ship or delayed container can halt ASMLs 60-country chain. With hundreds of thousands of parts, a single missing German lens or Japanese valve stops an entire ASML machine. Meanwhile the Chinese model which is domestic autarky means uninterrupted semiconductor production regardless of external chaos. ASM’s hyper-globalized model is a single-point-of-failure nightmare - geopolitical shocks become instant production halts, exactly when chip sovereignty matters most. Resilience demands self-sufficiency, not just efficiency. Besides full independence autarky is compatibile with Marxism-Leninism that China preaches xD
>>539813815What are you realistically gonna do? Boycott ASML? Kek
>>539813815Their chips are so bad Apple wants to use them in their devices.
>>539821970Apple is lobbying to use these chips only in products sold within China, avoiding political friction. But thd truth is that Apple is just tired of Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron because of poor performance-to-cost rate. Chinas YMTC now produces 232-layer 3D NAND with competitive density and reliability, matching global leaders. This technological parity (not just cost, kek) proves local chips can meet Apples performance standards for China-market devices, directly driving Apples interest. Without this edge, Apple wouldnt risk switching suppliers. xD
>>539822489iPhone 16 Pro is roughly $230 cheaper in China than the US for a reason, after all xD
>>539822720Despite tariffs, VAT, and Apples brand premium in China, iPhones are cheaper than in the US also due to local assembly, intense domestic competition and exchange-rate pricing. If these artificial handicaps such as import duties, distribution costs, and premium positioning were removed, the price could drop substantially, potentially by over +$1k xD
Is Amerishart going to start taking this seriously? Sanctions won't do shit
>>539823086>Is Amerishart going to start taking this seriously?Very serious countermeasures were implemented such as mRNA vaccines and UFO disclosure. The West is already ripe for culling and replacement xDBut srsly, the USrael since 2019 already lost self-declared trade war vs China, it lost self-declared tech war vs China and currently it is being in an advanced stage to lose the kinetic confrontation too in both: Iran and Ukraine
>>539818182the kirin chipsets have been confirmed by the west to be domestically produced by china.right now the success rate is rather abysmal.they are currently producing refined machines to solve the issue with something like 15 being released by end of 2027.i'd say by 2032ish we will be seeing mass production for the global market. luckily trump won't be around to extort the market with tariffs, wars etc..
>>539813535>It could erode Western edges in classical + quantum techIn 15 years, western countries won't be able to keep the electricity on, let alone support advanced microelectronics industries.
>>539813535Call me when they figure out how to raise their hilarious sub 1.0 fertility rate.
>>539824723They will surely import a trillion of jeets and niggers, they would also build Holocaust museums so Western "elites" achieved the unquestioned global supremacy.The-vid rel is Chinese cotton harvest. If Yankees had an access to such tech centuries ago, it could change the history xD
>>539813815Yes sanction the entire world
>>539824723Yeah nigel because your fertility rate being composed almost entirely of shitskins is a good thing, anything to keep the gdp arrow going up right? you stupid niggercattle
Reminder that American "economists" and "China experts" had predicted that they would get early DUV by mid 2030s.
>>539825791The UK TFR just droppedto 1.4 and accelerates down despite significant ethnical replacement of locals. All these AAV (AstraZeneca) and modRNA/LNP (Pfizer/Moderna) shots do their job and wont stop xDEven Boris Johnson in his latest Guardian interview said that shrinking number of Brits is good because it reduces pressure on resources/environment
Hello America? Do something? China isn't gonna let you gweilos live they are gonna kill you all even if you are rich.
>>539825647>21 posts by this ID>xDis this a chink bot?
>>539817196What about heat and power consumption? You're going to need a lot more space
>>539826644It is my thread. I traditionally dominate with contest/quality/value in all my threads xD
>>539826722ok xD
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>>539813815China already had ASML DUV as its export used not be banned unlike EUV. What is new is developing an indigenous version.It will help China reach independence for decent chips but they would still not have the EUV needed for top of the line chip.
>>539826998>Wuhan biological weapon 武汉生物武器 China manufactured CoronavirusFirst sentences and already obvious lies as it was actually the Mutt-inspired inside job.The Brownstone article details leaked internal NIH emails (mainly 2016-2020) showing Francis Collins coordinating with Gates Foundation, Wellcome Trust, World Bank, WEF, and pharma giants on COVID pandemic infrastructure years before COVID.https://brownstone.org/articles/the-nih-emails/- "Germ Games" (2016 Davos): Bill Gates & World Bank pushed military-style simulations ("war games") for pandemics, including logistics, quarantines, messaging. Collins flagged a session as "potential land mine"; Fauci referenced existing US bioterror table-tops. Led to Event 201 (2019 coronavirus sim).- Billions were pre-committed via CEPI (vaccine platform), African research hubs (weaker oversight noted), SMART Vaccines prioritization.- Collins pushed global coordination; later sought "devastating takedown" of Great Barrington Declaration.2013 DARPA biowarfare fund awarded Moderna $25M to develop mRNA platform for rapid response to unknown emerging diseases - years before COVID. This military-backed tech dovetailed with NIH/Collins "Germ Games," CEPI, Gates/WEF simulations. By 2019, platform + pre-planned machinery were fully ready. A year later the US arranges the Wuhan incident: mRNA vaccines are being rushed globally via the exact network that Americans were creating for 4 years. Not coincidence but pre-positioned US DoD/NIH apparatus for pre-planned global democide/genocide with using modRNA/LNP and AAV genetic tech.
>>539813897Chink detected.
>>539824511The Dutch are planning Hyper lithography method for 2035 and are already working on it
>>539827206Why? Because i mentioned Jews? I am actually of Jewish descent myself xD. The Chinese had very limited direct contact with Jews, so they are probably friendly or neutral towards them, right?
>>539819074>>539819301>>539818653>>539818415>>539817196>>539816873>>539822489>>539822720>>539823005>>539827107Jesus christ, look at this chinkbot go...It just pushes pure propaganda like a machine. No human would waste this much time spewing this bullshit constantly in one thread.TCD
>>539827319>If you oppose Chinese (who are just yellow-skinned, equally hostile kikes) that means you're a like.LMAO typical chunk shill response. You're not even human, CCP clanker bot.
>>53982738699% traffic on this imageboard is US-inspired/animated activity tho.
>>539827512STFU chinkbot
>>539827512chink
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>>539827107>First sentences and already obvious lies as it was actually the Mutt-inspired inside job.LMAO, thanks for proving without ANY shadow of a doubt, that you're a think shill. Chinks created covid, and then accidentally let it escape because chinks are retarded corner-cutters even when it comes to bio weapon research.
>>539827748>>539827803>>539828478Duh. It is your choice what you believe guys. Anyways, i think that blaming China and Russia for all failures/crimes of your elites and leadership wont change much in plus. It would only make you bitter, as you are already impotent xD
>>539819672I have an iline wafer stepper from canon which makes you structures of "just" 300 nm. That thing takes whole room. EUV machine is like a whole house.How are you supposed to put that thing at home? Its not some tiny 3d printer. Its a huge laser with huge mirrors inside
>>539828889BTW, you should be actually grateful to me as i give you precious hints for free, thats because your elites and politicians actively and willingfuly collaborate to exterminate and replace you. Yup, there is a slight chance that they collaborate with the CCP too, maybe not in extermination itself (as it is their own original idea) bit in _a lot_ of other crucial things xD
>>539827244>The Dutch are planning Hyper lithography method for 2035 and are already working on itWhile the Dutch plan for 2035, China has already broken the monopoly. By late 2025, a Huawei-led consortium built a functional EUV lithography prototype using unique particle accelerator principles xD
"homegrown"Stolen is more like it.
>>539832419WTF is this shit with Mutts and "China steals from us"? Even your retarded orange figurehead admitted recently in interview that it is actually USrael stealing technologies from China. xD
