So you're telling me I have to pay annual rent for property I OWN??? doesn't that defeat the whole point of OWNING it?
AND they can seize it at any time.No property tax in Communist China btw.
>>539818608Long before you were born, someone assigned you a number and declared you property, and you have done nothing about it.
>>539818608You're renting it.Property tax is a scam so the gov can take your land if you go broke, you think you own it but you are actually just renting it since you need to pay yearly tax.The law should be abolished worldwide.
>>539818608Its pretty gay, but it'd be worse without them. If not for property taxes making unproductive land a money sink, rich people would just buy all the land because it would cost them nothing and would be an excellent store of value.
>>539818790Easily solveable without taxing everyone like a filthy commie:>tax the rich on buying land.>dont tax anyone else.Simple as.
>>539818608You don't own the property. You own the building on the property that you live inside. Dummy.
>>539818861That worked real well for income taxes didn't it?
>>539818608Do you own it though? Or do you have a mortgage/loan on it and it's actually owned by the bank?
>>539818608Some fuckin jEW shit
>>539818714>yet
>>539818917Income taxes are different, property and food should be a basic human right.Taxing work is fine.
>>539818750>no god 7
>>539818608It's only a small fee every year. You pay tax on most things. Just be grateful you that you own a home.
>>539818608in the US at least, you can deduct it from your federal income tax. one of the few good things donald did with the OBBBA was to increase the SALT deduction cap. i regularly get the impression most of this board has never even seen a Schedule A
>>539819200If your property tax is $20K-$25K, like in typical leftist Democrat states such as Illinois, California and New Jersey , then deduct or not deduct is irrelevant. You are going bankrupt as soon as you lose your job a have a health issue. >and you are GOING to have a health issue in 30 years of paying mortgage>if you work typical american slave schedule of 50-60 hour weeks.
>>539818608All taxation is theft
>>539818608I just had to pay £9000 'stamp duty' tax for buying a second home, as in selling my first and buying another. What is that tax for???? Nine thousand pounds
>>539818861Sounds good on paper but then democraps would classify anyone making over 50k as rich and give all your land to jamal, abdul and mohamed
>>539818714>No property tax in Communist China btw.china has no property at all. you can just lease land for 100 years. thats their version of "property"
>>539819683the stamp tax we threw a hissy fit over was literally this and it was ONE whole shilling. ONE shilling added to about the 30 shillings the home owning upper class already paid.
>>539818608Remember how /pol/ tells you that you don't own property in communist china and they lease it to you instead as an argument against the high home ownership rates they have? Really puts it into perspective...
>>539820122its all just cope and projecting. look at the reply my other post got>ooooooohhhohoh everyone is poor like me and one crisis away from death
>>539818608pay up
>>539819439You don't know shit about property taxes in California.
>>539818861Or just tax any property that isn't your main residence. Boomers treating property as an investment and not a basic necessity thanks to the government enabling them was a mistake.
>>539820122well they probably have tons of empty apartments everywhere so it pretty much doesnt matter if you call it renting or ownership, living costs are simply very cheap in china. but then again /pol/ hates "soulless" commie block apartments because its not a traditional 1 family house with garden. so what do you "own" there, whats the perspective here?
Taxes are for the little people. You are majority of federal tax revenue.
>>539820892>just tax any property that isn't your main residenceyou could circumvent this by declaring that home A is your main residence while home B is your wifes or your sons or your cousins "main residence" or by declaring it a rental and renting it out to a family member or trusted friend. or you open a business and declare it business property, totally not private. the ultra rich would simply incorporate property into foundations that are totally "charitable" and not tax evasion vehicles!
>>539820008retard
>>539818608just be homeless and libertarian mog all the civics chuds
>>539821313not retarded. theses houses arent owned, they are leased. its just so that this leasing contract cannot be terminated by one party alone that easily. if you have a 5 year rent contract in america your landlord cannot just remove you in year 3 either. he has to wait for the whole 5 years to end, to get rid of you.
>>539818608In principle anything you pay taxes on you don’t fully own.
>>539819804Ban democrats simple as.Everything is fixable with the correct government.
>>539820892That works too I guess.
>>539818608based child>work>earn money>pay tax>put money away to collect interest >pay tax on interest >buy property with money you put away and paid tax on>pay tax on property you paid tax on twice it just makes sense you commie what do you want bread lines
>>539818608>I OWN???No, Jews own it.
>>539820784Property taxes are the highest in the country in NJ . CA had these tax abatement laws that was grandfathered on old houses . As boomers die, these houses 1) stop being grandfathered with low taxes, and2) taxes are being reasessed at new market prices (which are VERY HIGH). So, some random family gets hit with a MASSIVE RE tax when their boomer grannie dies, and has to sell the house.
>>539818608property tax is rent to the jews, specifically whatever local family fiefdom controls the local government, and you don't own anything.
>>539818608property tax is to fund the schools. back in the olden days people wanted their kids to be educated so they would have a better shot at life so the community came together and decided how to fund it and they came up with property tax. every state i have lived in 100% of property tax went to the schools. my property tax this year was $0 because they raised the homestead exemption to $600. in most red states property taxes are very low, its the nigger and commie infested blue states that have terrible property taxes
>>539818608The roads that connect your house to the outside world aren't free. The police and firemen that'll come if your house is on fire aren't free either.We live in a society.
>>539822515those are funded by sales and income tax, property tax is for the school system
>>539822424>homestead credit>we're going to send you a bill to remind you that it's ours but WE LET YOU not pay, this can change any time
>>539822616it can change and thats just part of life. this year they didnt even send me a statement because i didnt owe anything, i called them because i hadnt received a bill.
>>539822424Texas has some of the worst prop taxes and is a so called red state.
>>539822808texas and florida have no income tax and high property tax.
>>539823482>>539822808tx and fl are rentoids paradise
>>539818608>ownyou never own it. you merely use it until you die. sorry bud.
>>539822515>The roads that connect your house to the outside world aren't free. The police and firemen that'll come if your house is on fire aren't free either.the roads will be used to bring your enemies straight to your doorstep and the public servants only come to clean up your burned down house so they can build a spic encampment on it. muh roads.
>>539818608Yes. Your exclusive use of some parcel guaranteed by the state isn't free. And there are a variety of good incentives that property taxes provide: namely discouraging the feudalistic hoarding and speculation on real estate and encouraging its productive use by creating a holding cost. They are also trad and predate the income tax in America.Property tax freezes produce California and old fucks monopolizing family housing near jobs.
>>539823577whoever i name receives it upon my death. what are you talking about?
>>539818608>Wtf is property tax?capitalism only works through coercion. Everything is set up to force you to make money.
>>539822808Because the economists for a brief moment beat the slopulists and pensioner nimbys. Boomer slopulism because they want to socialize the downside of their inflated home values will turn these states into retarded versions of CA, where mind you Prop 13 came from Republicans and destroyed the cost of living in that state.
>>539818608property tax is what happens when a people become slaves to a conquering enemy.you lost to the jews, so you must pay propperty taxes.dont like it, leave the country.
>>539824028who wee our founding fathers slaves of? property taxes are one of the oldest taxes. theyve been paid for thousands of years in one form or another. go after income tax if you have a problem. income tax stiffles productivity
>>539823777that means you own something? how does it negate my original point that you merely use it while you are here? the next person will just do the same until your retarded genetic line ends and it goes into foreclosure. it will then be given to someone else under the myth of "ownership".
>>539824256the saddest part of these threads are the people who make them want free healthcare and college. but they are against taxation. it really shows the iq of these people, they cant think past step 1. i personally think it has to do with the frontal lobe of their brain
>>539818608Property tax is the only sensible tax. It actually pays for things that you use, like police, fire, roads and town maintenance, and schools. What the fuck do we need state taxes for? Regardless, even if you rent an apartment, you're paying Shlomo's property tax on his behalf. I'd rather pay my own tax and own my own house. Unlike rents, mortgage payments go down over time relative to inflation.
>>539824420there is support for taxation when everyone is making money enough to live. 40 years ago people had money to give to taxes for things, but thats no longer the case. Everything is fucked now.
yeah its like feudal system or even slavery they just change it around a lil
>>539818992Property and food have never been a human right in all of recorded history. Those are the two things people have always worked their ass off for.
>>539818608Wait until you realize inflation is you paying for landlords bank loans so they can build their apartment complexes, which also screws you on the other end by jack up the cost of building a house for yourself.
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>>539824609lead they way, stop paying taxes and stop benefiting from taxes. take action anon, the endless talking is getting old. remember beggers cant be choosers and no one owes you shit.
>>539824963speculation has been around for ever. its one of the benefits of not being a stupid niggercattle that is a lead weight around societies neck
>>539824978>lead they way, stop paying taxes and stop benefiting from taxes.I have. But if you don't join me then I'm just going to get in trouble and nothing will change.
>>539825160i dropped out in 2019 and live innawoods. today i gotta can beats so i have food this winter. since they raised my homestead credit my property tax is $0. you need to follow me son
>>539818608>>539818714I'm a literal retard for staying here. cartel is scary as fuck, but I have to let go.this happens to be a real legit reason if I didn't know better and have my beliefs reinforced by now. I cannot continue riding the mind virus 80s meme its numba one I will miss the safety, and the safety of creeping on white women but nt being able to fuck them
>>539825350the future is looking bright with you and me living together on a gay farm inawoods, canning beets.
>>539821313>The other night I came home late, and tried to unlock my house with my car keys. I started the house up. So, I drove it around for a while. I was speeding, and a cop pulled me over. He asked where I lived. I said, "right here, officer". Later, I parked it on the freeway, got out, and yelled at all the cars, "Get out of my driveway!"
>>539825350if you own farm land and a forest youre rich anyway. you probably get farming and forestry subsidies and you could lobby for your land to get rezoned into building land to earn even more.
>>539818608China is the true white man's paradise. Fuck the west
>>539818608You're paying for services from the municipality.1. Snow removal (no small deal here)2. Sewage and storm drain 3. potable water4. Roads and highways5. Street lights6. garbage removal.7. law enforcementAnd so on. Fucking mong.
>>539818876If that was the case, an empty lot would have the same value as a lot with a house on it.
>>539819002>small feeMy property taxes for a small 3 family house in a small suburb in ny is 12k a year not counting the electrical, water and gas fees which have tripled in price in thr last 2 years
>>539819002Most of my coworkers are paying more in property tax than I pay in rent.
>>539819002I pay $25 month
>>539818608You are a slave to a dictatorship
>>539818608Property owners directly benefit from local public investments such as roads, schools, police, and fire services that simultaneously maintain or increase real estate values.
>>539818608Property tax goes to actually fixing your local area, whereas income tax is an illegal jew scam that just sends our money to Israel.
>>539826310Nah it goes to a free house and new car for gangstalkers
>>539819002>It's only a small fee every year.I pay around 1k€ every year.
>>539818608you don't own shit, the government can come a long and force you to sell them your property at any time
>>539826232in a nation you could also argue that all american land belongs to the american citizens and not only some rich individuals and their inheritors. its not just when all the good land is already owned by someone else and you are economically disadvantaged just because you were born late or your parents werent rich fucks. you have as much right to the land as some mayflower old money family clan that claimed hald the state 200 years ago.
>>539825981i own 6 acres of hardwood forest i bought for $6k its too small for any subsidies and is currently unzoned meaning i can do whatever i want. i cant lobby for anything.
>>539826310Yeah maybe in the theoretical bullshit made up fairytale land. It goes to enriching your local council more than anything. The roads are falling apart here, there are no 'services' to speak of and drainage is 99% handled by the private land owners since no one else will do it. despite this, they have decided to perpetually raise the taxes along with our housing boom because the gov jerry rigged the housing economy they also feel they can raise your taxes directly proportional to the "evaluation" of the home. It's a scam
>>539826541>currently unzoned>6 acresin austria that would mean you could sell that land for several million euros, even its in bumfuck nowhere. probably sell half and build apartments in the rest and rent them out. and you are canning beets to have food for the winter? lmao if you put that money into stocks you could live a very comfortable life simply off the dividends.
>>539824668Well they should be. Especially in modern times when we have abundant resources and growing automation.There is no need for anyone in the civilized world to be homeless or starving but alas some rich, fat pedophile faggot has to buy his 10th house.
>>539826109Lmao retard
>>539826547I agree these realty assessment jews are artificially inflating property values and pushing for a higher mill rate. The money goes to paying the county and all the services they have as well as DOE. Yes council members routinely vote to raise their salaries and yes they are evil kikes.
>>539818608Reminder that for the majority of US history the gov got all the money it needed from tariffs, and it wasnt until the fed, ww1, suffrage, that they decided they'd rather print away their future for some short term fun.
>>539818608instead of endless whinging here is practical advice. Property taxes are disclosed before you buy, they will only ever get worse. Stay away from incorporated areas, HOA's, expensive school districts etc if you don't want high ones. If you want to be free of eminent domain, subdivisions popping up on formerly open land, and general development bullshit buy outside of a growth corridor, or if in one, a property that has natural barriers to growth like being hilly and closed in by bodies of water etc, or is already surrounded by decently sized holdings with deed restrictions against subdivision.
>>539818714>No property tax in Communist China btw.yes because you own nothing in china, its leased
>>539818608Yes, you can't actually own land. The state owns it all and leases it out.
>>539818608It's so you don't just buy property and abandon it - in theory a good idea.
>>539825350Thank you for your service in 'Nam gramps
>>539818608Yeah in USA you do. Not sure if it’s all states. I don’t think it’s legal or makes logical sense.
>>539818608>pay low tax rate on home when you buy (1x)>no property tax, ever. EVER.>pay high % tax when you sell within X years (to discourage house flip niggers)>pay % tax when you rent your home, per month (businesses)>new regulation requires saving a portion of each month rent collected in an account to update house and fix issues (lazy landlord fucks)>if you bought a home, rent cannot be 80% or greater of your mortgage payment, unless renting to own - then can be equal to 100%Fuck these greedy bastards.
>>539818608wait till you hear about income tax lil bro
>>539826788it is now worth $20k, i could sell half but i would only get $10k and then i would have neighbors. i don't want neighbors so im certainly not going to build a apartment building, plus the rental economy is pretty weak here. i am tired of making people rich with my labor so i just work for myself and grow my own food. i live on less than $200/month. $100 for power and $50 for phone
>>539827132Du bist behindert.
>>539827196youre the one that demands a free babysitter (school) so your wife can drive on nice roads to go fuck niggers off facebook. how do you feel about healthcare? should it be free?
>>539827246>it is now worth $20k,how can 6 acres of land, unzoned, be worth only 20k usd?
>>539826093And what is my income tax paying for?
>>539818608haha! you thhink you own that land? then why do you need a permit to put an addition on your house? why do you pay taxes on it? allodial land is the only land that anyone actually owns, and it will never be available to you.
>>539818608The county where you live has a sheriff, roads, schools, snow plows ( if needed ). The list is pretty long. How do you think that stuff is paid for? You think your federal or state taxes go to that? Bwahaha... nope think again. All of that comes from property owners and property tax. The federal government is the most useless organization in this country and they take 30% of everyones living wage.
>>539826788Believe it or not, America is a much larger country than Austria and a lot of remote land here is basically only usable for recreation.
that's because your a serf. rich people just assign their houses to their business and avoid paying property tax
>>539821281Make it so marriage is invalid if not living in the same primary residence
>>539827884google cheap land in the ozarks. tons of land for sale for that price. the only economy is farming and cattle. actual farmland is only $1k/acre but its in 200 acre tracts in eastern colorado
>>539819002But you don’t own it if you have to pay a tax to hold it.
>>539827049Same here. That’s the point of this thread.
>>539818608... The government is a mafia You didn't know? It's a criminal organization. Literally by definition of what they do
>>539818783You should have the right to one property that you paid off and then you have no taxes on it. If you own two properties they could tax your second property because that means you're rich enough to have two properties.Or they could just do a sliding scale based on how much money you make. There are ways that an honest government could handle this but instead they would rather create homelessness and disease and criminals even though they are the criminals themselves
In the US, the housing bubble is being largely maintained by collusion of local governments and property appraisers. Politicians want more property tax income, but do not want to vote for unpopular tax rate increases. The solution has been to collude with appraisers to increase ”market value” of all properties, allowing higher tax assessments without raising rates.
>>539818608Whosoever can successfully defend property from theft is its owner. THis can't be outsourced; when the government is in charge of "protecting property rights" they're just paying lip service to property ownership. The government is the defacto owner; de jure is just stage dressing
>>539818608Lol
>>539818608You dont have to pay the property tax....but you just cant use the roads to get to your property, or call emergency services if needed or send your kids to local school. seems fair.
>>539818608It varies from State to State. Most are sub 1%. I think Missouri is .89% Some like Illinois are above 2 going to 2.11% which is outrageous. If your home is worth 350,000 then your annual tax rate is about $3,073 in Missouri versus $8,726 for the same property. Where you live matters, and who you vote for and the tax ballots matter.
>>539829305the $8,726 would be the tax rate for the same property annually in Illinois. I was demonstrating the huge discrepancy based on state and local taxes that you would pay in Chicago versus Saint Louis or Kansas City. It's pretty insane.
>>539820008Can I lease it for 200 years? What about 300?
>>539829300The roads are paid for by tabs, registration, and what the heck is the lotto? In America we have state lotto where they take millions or billions of our dollars and they're supposed to use that
Everyone should contact their local representatives and complain about property taxes.
>>539829385no they re appraise it and sell it for market value, your kids can buy it again though that way everybody is equal
>>539818608You don't pay for the property but for municipal services. It's not the state receiving the property tax but the municipality.They need money to maintain infrastructure, police, fire fighters etc. They often don't have other sources of income.If you don't like this just buy property elsewhere in some lost place. Remember: you are not being forced, you are paying voluntarily!
>>539818608>be american stationed in belgium>brag about your 3.7 guns per citizen constantly>never use them, even against tyranny
>>539827545Who the fuck is this kike?First off you know jack shit about me, secondly youre wrong on all (You)re assumtptons.I pay for healthcare niggerfaggot and my wife works as well. Go back to watching your beloved bbc porn. The adults are talking.
>>539830941Correction: (You)r.
>>539826435> €83 per monthBut that's indeed a small fee, isn't it?Imagine owning a vacation home in Germany like I do.You would be paying €1000 property tax + another €1000 "Secondary Residence Tax".This isn't justified at all by municipal services, this is an additional luxury tax.
>>539829524>The roads are paid for by tabs, registration,No. Local roads are paid for by property taxes- in addition to local school districts, police, fire and judicial services, public spaces, local health services etc...Actual renters are freeloaders because they dont help pay for any of this.
>>539831221You are talking about things the way they are I am talking about the way things can be
>>539822129>stop being grandfathered with low taxesThat's not how property tax workers in CA. It's basically 1% of the home's value. Then prop 13 locks that value in and only allows a 2% max increase to the value. So the longer you live some where the bigger the saving. Your home might be worth 800k on paper but only 380k for taxes. When you sell the home returns to current market rate, as in what it sold for price for the new owner. There are also exceptions. Mostly if you inherent and then live in the home you keep the lower tax rate...And property tax is need to fund the states. You can't just have everyone pay nothing.
>>539818714A reminder that the 2nd Amendment is mostly for LARPing purposes.>It keeps the government in check!!LOL, sure it does, little buddy.
>>539829222>There are ways that an honest government could handle this but instead they would rather create homelessness and disease and criminals even though they are the criminals themselves.Exactly this, trips of truth witnessed.
>>539818608Shut up and give the government your fucking money, peasant.
>>539824963based vacant lot
>>539831362They use your property taxes to pay for niggers that are then shoved into your neighborhood to lower your property value (while keeping your taxes high)
>>539818790>Its pretty gay, but it'd be worse without them. If not for property taxes making unproductive land a money sink, rich people would just buy all the land because it would cost them nothing and would be an excellent store of value.This is still done. Property tax laws vary by state and municipality. Greyhound, the bus company for instance, had the property taxes on their bus stations “fixed” at incredibly low areas in many areas, because property taxes were only reassessed when a property changed ownership. This allowed Greyhound to be worth significantly more than might be expected for an antiquated business model. The bus stations had potential other revenue, such as leasing the concession stand/s at the bus stations, or selling the concessions, in addition to actually selling bus tickets. A German company actually bought Greyhound for those properties, which the German company started selling off. Local municipalities likely knew the property values were low, but wanted to keep Greyhound coming to their towns. Crap businesses, such as dive bars, and strip clubs, and cheap apartment buildings, and garages, are used for the same purpose.The businesses earn enough to cover property taxes, legally required upkeep, and enough to pay some locals, which helps keep government officials off the businesses back.Once property values increase, the property and buildings get sold off for other purposes. McDonalds technically owns the real estate McDonalds franchises are located on. One local McDonalds got sold off to property developers, ending that franchise. The franchise owner however had purchased the next door empty lot for parking, which was personally owned, and sold that off at the same time as their McDonalds, thereby making out as well.
YOU ALREADY OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY
>>539818608Yes. A war was fought over this. We've grown soft and doughy.
>>539818608I get a 90% property tax discount because I have 4 kids.I paid like 23€ last year.An American needs to earn $25k gross to pay his $15k property taxes.
>>539827049why do third worlders speedrun cancer
>>539819439To pay $25k property taxes you need to GROSS $40k because you're gonna pay $15k in income tax to have the $25k left over to pay in property tax.Home of the free.
>>539822515>a society is where it is deemed legal to enact measures calculated to reduce the numbers of a certain demographic while torturing them at the same timeLegal and lawful are two different things. A society run by criminals literally at the expense of the victims of the crime should be dismantled, and the criminals and all their bioweapons they have unleashed should be extinguished. Since it will not happen in a reasonable way, it will happen in an unreasonable way.
>>539819002most Jewish post in this thread .. I can practically hear the tax collecting goblin vocalisation as I read the text in my head
