Could someone who knows about economics explain to me how $2 trillion could simply... disappear from the market without affecting anyone at all—except for a few niche markets—but absolutely no other sector of the global economy?
>>539858619because they were fake
US aligned economies are fake asffff, literally just fake money being moved around and counted several times and whole time the average Korean lives in a shoebox and can’t buy pineapple at the supermarket
remember when a bank could hand out a loan 10x larger than the bank itself? This is the end result.
>>539858619Because it never existed to begin with
>>539858619it's just a valuation, turns out no one actually had 2 trillion in cash to buy out the stock value.
>>539858619because south korea leaked product designs to china and now china is making cheaper knock offs so this spooks investers.
>>539858875This. First honest answer yet. This place has fallen.
I actually saw the argument on youtube>akshully, coin clippers rigging the stock market is different this time, it never has to go back down
We're only just starting to peel back the amount of fake value. The speculation and hype has polluted reality entirely.
>Asian Contagion 2.0It's goin' down, goys... You are hedged, r-r-r-r-right??
How long until this happens in the US?
>>539859148it happends two days ago, then it all back to normal, now it's going to happend next week but if launch isn't ready at time, maybe at early as monday!
>>539858619kids like toys, kids buy toys.one day kids don't like toys so they flee the toy store.toy store owners panic and sell toys for cheaper at the same time.toy store owners don't make good money but they still have toy store open because somekids still want their toysother kids keep their money in future for when toys will become valuable again.toy store owners slowly starts to make good toys again.kids slowly come back.the kids are the investors, the toys are the shares, the toy stores are the companies valued in stocks.did you get it?
>>539858619imaginary number there was never 2 trillion in cash that came and went, its just a pretend valuation based on that days betting (trade).
>>539858619Polymarket goes after people who make less than a million, so it's safe to assume they have no real money to begin with.
>>539858619Their market follows a trendline. It is the same price as 3 months ago.
>>539858619>what could have possibly happened to the goybux?
If I had a $1 coffee mug with an awesome cat picture on it and the market price went up to $2 trillion for a couple months because people were told awesome cat mugs were the next big thing and suddenly people realized it was just the same mug and dropped the valuation back down to $1 then the $2 trillion dollars was wiped out.
>>539859220>>539860432okay good explination, i get it now friends, thank you.
>>539858619Their stock market is overwhelmingly dominated by just 2 companies, Samsung and SK Hynix, both due to memory chips for AI infrastructure. Koreans love gambling, and normal koreans who otherwise would never gamble know they'll never own a home by working at their job, so they use massive leverage. The current president literally said his goal was to get the stock market to 2x in a year, he delivered more than that, and then the leverage got scary so he had restrictions placed on it. Now chinks are apparently going to start making RAM too, hence market go down.>trust me I'm Jewish
OWNED for using us dollarinos
>>539858619god damn seems like all the memory companiescould this cause ai to crash?
>>539858619stock price is a virtual prize that does not exists until you sell once you do you find out its real price via free market economics. At least thats what they all claim. Idk how taking a loan against the stocks fall into that but someone has to sell the stocks for the money to exist. Also modern stocks work the same way as money printing does in regards to inflation. Nvidia gives out stocks to buy their gpu to companies which is essentially taking out a loan in the name of the "investors" with those profits they increase their stocks and invest it further.
>>539858619modern stock prices were inflated by top down gov financial regs, backroom kosher nostro blackmailing, and lack of meaningful alternatives. dividends and meaningful control over companies were priced out of access for even middling players so the only value in stocks is dumping them on some sap who thinks the price has yet to peak and they can do the same. some idiots who fail to get how inflation works think they win by just losing money slower at both enormous risk and empowering the financial arms of globohomo.but overall modern financial markets are in long miserable death throes unless people think things are set to spike better off liquidating to whatever safe havens might survive this shit storm and keeping liquid to pounce once things rebound or burn down enough the things that made this mess are out of the picture.
>>539858619Tell me you don't have a pension without telling me you don't have a pension.
>>53986191210 to 1 he as a .. Penision Extension.
>>539860432I'll give$2 for that mug today, friend (nodding wisely with a sly smile).
>>539858619"market value"/"market cap" is an imaginary number calculated by multiplying the price with the total number of sharesadding on to >>539860432 's analogy, imagine some rich retard paid $2 trillion for that mug once, then someone calculated that there are 1000 of those mugs ever made, that all the mugs must all be worth $2 trillion each since obviously someone paid that amount for it that one time, and so the total market of the mugs is actually $2 quadrillionthen some guy tries selling his mug and nobody takes it for $2 trillion, and he keeps lowering his price until someone finally buys it for $1. total market value of the mugs now goes back to $1000
They went from a decent pension to pauper level pensions overnight.
>>539858619it's nominal value dumb shit, go read economics 101
>>539862141>calculated by multiplying the price with the total number of sharescalculated by the price of the LAST TRANSACTION no less, so it's absolutely imaginary and means literally nothing more than price itself
>>539858619Global equity aka stock valuations don't really mean or signify much, except to people that actively trade and are leveraged in to them.Stocks are not the economy. And in the post-1970s Financialized global economy, stock valuations are more volatile and artificially inflated than ever.>pensionsYes many global pensions in all countries are tied to valuations of index funds. But overall equity markets unless they are under pressure from spiking bond yields (in the case of pensions that heavily rely on gov bonds) are fairly stable in an index fund, that spreads the numbers over many different individual stocks and their valuations.Also nobody gives a fuck about South Korea
When people sell their stock money doesn't dissaper it's quite simple to understand
>>539858619>but absolutely no other sector of the global economy?because it's fucking South Korea and nobody gives a shit
I bought the dip 29 days ago and am down massively.Ironically it looks like it's near the bottom, if I sold 17 days ago I coudl have just around broke even and escaped to buy the bottom.
>>539859220Bad analogy. Toys are real.
>>539858619the stock market is not actually money.it is valuation.it is the PREDICTED FUTURE value of the stocks.When that goes down, people are just more pessimistic about the future. And also the investments are harder to make.
Even after the losses this past week the KOSPI is still inflated WAY above where it should be. If you follow the trend from the past 5 years you can see that since around this time last year the valuations have been greatly inflated FAR ABOVE the trends and other than the hype over AI and datacenters these companies have not changed much or made any huge innovations. It's all AI hype and the market has a long ways down to go closer to the $3000 mark it was trending at.
>>539858898it's not correct though, you're posting things that aren't true. What happened is that workers asked for 10% of the profits and investors sharted and farted and killed the market in a seething tantrum. Chinese companies like cxmt already existed. Apple is suing to have chinese ram sold in america. It won't because CXMT and YMTC are owned by the Chinese military and it is spyware.If I am correct Micron will quadruple their earnings by 1st quarter 2027 from the 1st quarter 2026. If Micron keeps falling it will be a giant "BUY".
>>539858619ask the people moving to your country with the large noses and tiny hats
>>539860759>ow chinks are apparently going to start making RAM too, hence market go down.they're already doing thisThey're not able to meet demand70% of chinese ram failschinese ram is illegal in america because it's owned by their military
>>539862541i actually live close to an orthodox jewish area and most of them do didn't shit most of the day, unironic neets payed by taxes and pass all day on home, most live like trash tho their zones are full of trash.
>>539858619SimpleRatio the total stock market value by the GDP. Korea had a 5T stock market but only 2T GDP so thats 250% over valued stocks or fake money moving around by speculators>The Buffett Indicator expresses the value of the stock market in terms of the size of the economy. If the stock market value is growing much faster than the actual economy, then it may be in a bubble.
>>539858619>affecting anyoneWhoever owned that stock was affected. Normies unaffected. It's just some richfag losing unrealized billions. They will make 100x return instead of 1000x return. Whoop de fucking do. It affects the 0.1% of people. The cheobols or whatever SK calls their rich fag controlling families.
>bunch of goyim lose 2 trillion like the dumb suckers they are.No big deal.You lost tranny
>>539862792Pension funds and shit rely on stock market gains to stay funded though the administrators usually pick only reliable industries no fake and gay stocks the 20x in value in 3 months then crash back down to normal price
>>539858619It's almost like market value isn't money.Also it should be named market price. Value is what you get, price is what you pay.
>>539862468Stocks are just little chunks of a company auctioned off to randos and traded around. Stocks are tied to a real piece of capital. The value is emotional for sure, but its still a piece of a public owned company. Some even give dividends via profit sharing. Your little part of the company can actually PAY you! Real money! Crazy huh, your little chunk of a company results in you getting paid for doing jack shit.
>>539858619South Korea allows leverage on stocks. If a stock goes up 1 k-pop dollar then it pays out 3 k-pop dollars. This works in the reverse as well so it really only fucks the people who invest and not the actual companies themselves.
>>539858619Michael Jordan rookie cards are skyrocketing in price.That money is effecting markets, anon, just not in the tangible ways you've been conditioned to recognize.
>>539858619None of it is real value and is purely subjective
>>539858619>>539858619It's a vacuous, self-referential commodity that is neither physically printed nor digitally generated, not even tabulated anymore, but assumed to exist in the past (debt), the present (credit) and the future (interest) in whatever volumes necessary to control you. By virtue of semantic (inflation) and semiotic (nominal value) trickery you are kept on a leash, unable to ever pay off your debt or ustain interest, while the "economy" operates beyond any "economic theory" (capitalism, communism, socialism,...) and solely revolves around the sale of longterm problems and service-based (rented) shortterm solutions (marginally smaller, metastizing problems), to maximize dependance, debt and interest.
>>539858619You need to sell your carYou put the sale price at $16,000I offer you $100 for it, because it was made in KoreaYou recognize $100 is the best you can get for it and agree to the sale.Stock market analysts would say you lost $15,900.In reality, you gained $100.
The stock market is all just fake. It's a giant scam.
>>539858619Well before the 2 trillion didnt exists yet and now the 2 trillion wont exist.
>>539858619>The largest stocks on the Korea Stock Exchange (KOSPI) by market capitalization are Samsung Electronics and SK hynix, which dominate the index with market caps exceeding $900 billion and $600 billion respectively.They make microchips for data centers and AI is finally cooling off a little bit. There was a huge run on RAM chips recently and they were selling for way above normal. Its not a dip, so much as a well overdue market correction and a return to reality. Overall, that index has made some pretty significant gains. Only troon reddit-tier day traders view this as a huge loss and were surprised by this. In other news, call options on ropes and stools are up 1000%. Totally unrelated I'm sure.
Projected market capitalisation =/= total daily trade volume.It's easier to understand if you think about houses on your street. Your house's price is a theoretical value until you actually make the sale. But almost all homeowners don't sell their houses frequently. They live in them. We're not always constantly moving houses, right?But the value of your house can change over time even though you're not selling it because of external factors. Like new development projects in your neighbourhood, good schools and hospitals, falling crime rates and so on.It's the same with shares. Most shares don't get traded. People buy them and sit on them. Very few shares actually trade in any given day. Daily trade volume is a teeny tiny fraction of mcap. But the former influences the price of the latter.Everyone ITT saying its fake money is a broke loser btw
>>539858619>wiped outjust because some worthless IOU's are not worth what people paid for them does not mean anything was wiped out.idiots purchased something that was substantially overpriced and were unable to find a bigger sucker to take it off their hands.
>>539863721This is true for housing, but these stocks paid dividends. >Samsung Electronics distributed a dividend of ₩566 per share (including a special dividend) on April 17, 2026, totaling approximately ₩2.21 trillion for small shareholders. >Analysts project the dividend could rise to around ₩8,135 per share in 2026 due to record earnings. SK Hynix paid a dividend of ₩1,875 per share on April 24, 2026, with a record date of February 28, 2026. Its current dividend yield is low, ranging from 0.11% to 0.3%, as the stock price has appreciated significantly. >Both companies are actively strengthening shareholder returns, with SK Hynix committing to pay a fixed dividend of ₩1,200 per share plus 5% of annual free cash flow for the 2022–2024 period.
>>539858764When are you going back to China, chang? It's gotta be better than America's retarded brown stepbrother, Mexico.
Money is fake and printed out of thin air by the Bankers.
>>539858619>Could someone who knows about economics explain to me how $2 trillion could simply... disappear from the market without affecting anyone at all—except for a few niche markets—but absolutely no other sector of the global economy?Jews are pump and dumping. We had an AI boom with all the computer hardware stocks particularly the memory the South Koreans were making posting huge gains throughout the year. Jews got in early and pumped the stocks until normies started to take notice and put their money in further driving the boom. Now the Jews are cashing out and the AI related stocks are all down like 25% or more over the past month. We're probably seeing normies cashing out too at this point because they bought in at peak about a month ago, promptly lost 20% as the Jews cashed out and now they're panicking and selling for a loss. I expect more losses and then the jews will buy back in and the stocks will go up again.I invested in Micron and AMD like 3 months ago and I'm still up like 120% to 150% from where I bought in even after the 25% losses I've taken over the past month. The funny thing is the past month has basically been nothing but good news for the computer hardware stocks with sales and profit projections both looking really good as well as projections that the demand for hardware is going to be even higher next year and is likely going to stay high through 2030. In other words no logical business reason to sell; but the markets don't operate logically. Jews saw an opportunity to dump and profit off a boom bust cycle and normies are going to panic and get fucked by that cycle like they always do.
>>539864007Not a rebuttal. That doesn't change anything.I'm not trying to downplay the significance of the price movement. But it's not really $2 trillion worth of fresh cash. It's probably only a few $ billion worth of shares that got traded for far lower prices than before.Example: 10 more or less identical houses in a streetHouse sales are approx once per year and last year a house sold for $1 million. So the entire street is worth $10 millionThis year a house sold for just $500k. Suddenly the entire street is only $5 million.So a $5 million loss, right?Yes and no. The homeowners of the remaining 9 houses haven't actually lost any money. There's no sudden $ 5 million dollars of cash flying about. Only one house got sold, but the price of that house updated the prices of all the other houses.
>>539863466They always put the rickety stool store next to the rope store
>>539858619419(k)'s were intended to make tithers into paper millionaires for a few decades then disappear when the banks own everything
>>539858951the biggest fake value is college degrees and college professors
>>539863466>return to realityThey're projected to make 300 billion next yearThe only people that think it's overvalued are absolute midwit posters like you.
>>539864198You make a good point and I'm not disputing that. I'm just pointing out that in this specific case, the two largest stocks that basically carry this index pay dividends to shareholders. You don't need to sell them to make money, like you do with your house. You can, and that would've gotten you way more money than dividends, but its not always required to sell stocks to make money. This is specific to this particular exchange in this particular instance. Tech stocks are normally notorious for reinvesting all of their profits back into the business, and in those cases, you would need to sell the stock to make a profit.
>>539858619>Can someone please explainthe economy is LITERALLY fakeI'm not exaggerating, it is <<LITERALLY>> fake and not even real>>539858898>first honest answer>doesn't even answer the questionThe covid vaccine clearly made you mentally retarded
>>539864457Well right now is a good time to buy low champ. Show us how it's done.
gay and fake economyjust like the us one
>>539858619Think of it like deleting your video game save file.
>>539858619BUY THE DIP!!!
>>539858619Markets are meaningless. It’s just a scam to take money from people
>>539858619Because stock valuation isn’t real and is just unbelievably wealthy people gambling their money with investors. Nothing is actually lost unless you are retarded enough to use that stock as collateral and not cash out while the going was good
>>539864911>BUY THE DIP!!!I'm not sure I'd buy yet. I do think the computer hardware stocks are going to go back up; but I honestly expect them to fall a bit more before they start gaining again.Like I said, long term trends still look pretty good.>>539864194But people are still panicking and I could see things dipping another 20% before they stop. When the jews buy back in is when you want in and I don't think we're there yet. I think we've got some more normie panic to absorb so that they can sell and get left holding the bag before the jews buy back in.
>>539858619money is just a tool to enslave the masses.it's literally meaningless to the super rich.
>>539858619History isn't linear. Line goes up. Line goes down. Line goes up again.
>>539858619money stopped being real some time between 1932 and 1974 depending on what milestone you want to use, maybe even earlier
>>539858875>>539858898he's not asking why the stock fell. he's asking why $2 trillion fake money dollars can just up and vanish and it doesn't really affect anyone outside of worst korea
>>53985861990% of currency only exists on a computer screen. That conspiracy you used to here about them wanting to make currency digital actually happened decades ago before anyone even started complaining about it, the conspiracy folks are just griping about the last 10%
>>539858619Stop being antisemitic!
>>539858619If I price something at 200 dollars, nobody buys it, then I price it at 50 dollars, did I just lose 150 dollars?Stock markets are nothing but a price tag, it's not real money. The real money goes to the person who sells the stock, then they use that money to participate in the economy. If the prices on the stock market fall, no real spending money has been lost.
because their value was overinflated by the AI bubble, ram price gouging, cartel price fixing, korean mafia stock market manipulation, samsung corruption etc etcthe money that went up in flames was all fake money that literally never existed, it was just pyramid ponzi schemes built on top of more pyramid ponzi schemes, until the latest bagholders were caught with their pants down
>>539858619>without affecting anyone at allIt affects millions of mostly Korean savers, numbnuts
>>539865796This is also correct, and why these headline of $x trillion wiped from stock markets are for niggercattle consumptionIn money terms the number would only apply if everybody in the market had bought at the high and sold at current price levels
>>539865671Try the early 1900's, or rather 1850's. Both World Wars have been waged for one purpose alone: culling the population that knew the old system and rejected usury.
Because the people being wiped out in the kospi trades are speculating on Samsung and Skyhnix flash/ram production. They're levered up which means when their trade goes against them they can be forcibly liquidated to prevent their accounts going negative.Guess what? Samsung is still going to be there making tvs, making flash drives, making what the fuck ever even if their stock price goes down 50%. They're still getting paid to sell real goods. Same as skhynix. Everyone is still making shit and getting paid even as gook retail traders are literally killing themselves. That's why it's not a big deal. What's real is if facebook or google or dell or microsoft all say 'thanks we've had enough of this ai shit we're going to not be making new orders'. The only people in korea effected by this degenerate gambling are the super rich gooks with internal stock options who can't dumb the shares for as much money. Boo hoo.
>>539858619stonk market is not a real economy
>>539858806>tsex
>>539865704The money doesn't vanish. Do you not understand the stock market?
>>539865828No Korean savers are fine it's still up tremendously, Korean's dumb enough to leverage trade are eating sawdust.
>>539858619About 90% of the global market doesn't actually exist as physical goods, services, or currency or even guarantees of goods, services, or currency.90% of the market exists as pure fiction - just numbers on a screen.
>>539862538>What happened is that workers asked for 10% of the profits and investors sharted and farted and killed the market in a seething tantrum.Based as hell, if true. We need this to happen globally.
>>539866218it's literally money. I can take out loans against my 401k
>>539862538Retard.
>>539864085It's not changHe's being truthful
>>539867601>ESL
