The strip mining of German industry by America continues.
>>539859636No no no Owen this is the faggot EU's climate policy that caused this shit.
>white collartrimming fat
>>539859636The United Satan strikes again
I wonder when will everybody just admit that this isn't "de-industrialization" but just workers being replaced by robots and AI
>>539859636Thats a good ThingThe faster Germany collapses, the faster it can be rebuilt.
goodmost of these are from r&d and administration, so it’s fewer innovations and paper pushers
>>539859636I wasn’t aware that America made Germany shut down its nuclear plants and demolish brand-new coal-generating stations. You’re the nigger jamming a stick in his spokes meme.
>>539860342because you dont realize that our entire poltiics is run by the CIA
Who the fuck buys BMWs? They're the ugliest most unreliable pieces of shit on the street. They look and drive like chinkmobiles.
>>539860375Hans those retards were clapping like seals blowing up their own industry. It isn’t the CIA behind the green agenda. It’s a cabal of bankers and technocrats who wanted to make oil industry type money by forcing energy purchasing dollars into their coffers via regulation.
>>539859636Sure heated seats subscriptions will save them.
>>539860510You'd have to be nuts to buy a German car these days. Toyota is where it's at.
Who can even afford a new car these day?
>>539859636Who cares, BMW means Bankrupt My Wallet, fuck those faggots.
>>539860510>>539860562and the jap shill bots show upToyota has recalls all the time
>>539860537carre about your own shitholethe CIA runs everythign here, you nigger
>>539859636again the major problem isnt energy cost its the fact that people outside Europe stopped buying German cars espically China stopped because their own cars are cheaper and better. To cope with that the shills spin a narrative of expansive energy and labor cost which is not true at all the factories in Germany and the US still turn a profit the margin however is terrible compared to other investments. In the typical finance manager fashion the board then decides its worth relocating factories to cheaper countries with lower energy and labor cost.
>>539860235This.
>>539859636Good. They haven't made a good car since 2003
>>539860342>>539860375America is controlling Germany, America has to collapse so that Germany can be free from satanists
The German car industry went all-in on the Chinese market. Now the Chinese have basically decided they don't need foreign automakers anymore and are only buying from domestic companies, which are also shitting out a massive surplus of vehicles that they are flooding into their other overseas markets and taking those from them as well.Meanwhile Germoids went from repeating neoliberal mantras about how free trade is good and they will benefit from the competition to desperately demanding the EU add tariffs before their entire country turns into Detroit.
>>539860668chinese cars arent better its that china is a communist dictatorship and the government runs their economy
>>539860705nice try jew
>>539860231But it is deindustrialization. Germanys entire industrial model was tied to having a cheap energy supply from Russia, which it no longer has. Manufacturing prices there have soared. They also can no longer compete with other car makers. Germany has a major industrial power (and Europe, as a result) is over. They can’t regulate their way out of this.
>>539860719nothing wrong with free trade, but you cant do it with china, because they dont play fair
>>539860638>Toyota has recalls all the timebut you don't have to pay stupid money, maintenance with toyota is actually very cheap
>>539860132long way around to it, but yes. the ukraine conflict is fucking with energy costs
>>539860767its not that badwe still have a giant trade surplus
>>539860235>faster it can be rebuiltRule numero uno of neoliberal shock therapy: kikes win. Everything will collapse, but corpos will rebuild it to their image.
>>539860797because its a car for old people
>>539860638German cars are over engineered, over priced, expensive to maintain, and no longer the status symbol they once were. Toyotas and Hondas are reliable, easy to maintain, and decently priced, which is what people want. It’s not a shill thing, it’s reality.
>>539860747Idiot.That is because america has Germany under military occupation
>>539860849cope, you jap niggerGermany overtook your dying economy last year and you keep sliding down into irrelevancy
>>539860779>>539860733how is China not playing fair while Germany went around and fucked itself for a decade China build up captivity and the necessary infrastructure to deliver on their export dreams. Back in 2007 everyone warned that Germany's shift to the export model was retarded and a recipe for disaster but the politicians didnt listen and the cattle here still cant connect the dots. The management class still thinks only to go cheaper and export more in hopes to compete with China which is simply not possible.
>>539859963And who sets the EU climate policy, I wonder.The EU is covered in mutt vassals.The climate BS was born and raised in the US before moving into Europe.
>nuke your npps>nuke your gpps>solar & wind only, import nuclear energy from france at a premium anyway>taxpayer foots the bill to keep industrial energy somewhat affordable>EU bans all gas car production by 2030, forcing car manufacturers to buy chink batteries at a premium which make up 50%+ of manufacturing costAlso kill yourself if you say they stopped the gas car ban. It's still in effect. You have to build 9 EVs for every gas car, and good luck going through the expensive bureaucracy to prove you are doing 9:1The kikes have completely won. I will enjoy living in a nightmarish mudslime kike hellscape.
>>539860883Germany has to work with China in the future.And break off from america
>>539860880Germany overtook America? I don’t think so Hans. Cope harder though. Your cars are as gay as your faggy limp wristed political class.
>>539860883this is a well known chink shillhes not a german
>>539860231>but just workers being replaced by robots and AIBecause it isn't.And glorified Chatbots are fucking overrated.
>>539860849before covid maybe. theyve been a shit show since.not because of covid but because of CAFE bullshit
>>539860941no, but JapanJapans economy is dying
>>539860931China is buying up German manufacturing to get around potential future tariffs. Maybe the final steps will be done in Germany to avoid tariffs, but everything else will be done elsewhere.
>>539860342>I wasn’t aware that America made Germany shut down its nuclear plantsYes, it did via pushing climate warming BS and it also fucked Germany via cutting it off of cheap Russian energy.
>>539860838thats not a downside
>>539860880it overtook california. one state.
>>539860967I’m not Japanese you half Turkish faggot.
>>539860941America sucks, stop tricking Europeans into thinking its a country and not an impoverished economic zone like brazil
>>539860931China doesnt play fair and never willyou have to be retarded to still fail to realize that
>>539860537>It isn’t the CIA behind the green agenda.It fucking is.Germany is a mutt vassal state, fuck you!I am sick of mutts denying their responsibility.
>>539860931That’s what they’ve been doing since the 90sGermany ruined Europe industry on the behalf of China
>>539860955As an aside, all of this is only going to get worse with time.
>>539861022oh look, the irrelevant nigger shithole shows up
>>539860981Germany sold so much stuff to China in the last decade including rights to tons of companies. Maybe not a good thing, its still vastly better than america the anti white empire of evil
>>539861018They play their game.They are still 100X better than america.America will never do anything to help white people even economically
>>539861006I dont really care what you are Pancho
>>539859636>America Rent free
>>539861051If you think the ChiComs aren’t anti-white I don’t know what to tell you.
>>539860998Germany is the third largest economy in the world
>>539861033we all are merely treading water until the bullets start flying
>>539861087They're less anti white than america.Im German so I dont want to get grouped in with retarded anglos and their collapsing jewish empire of sodomy
>>539861100yes. and now california is 4th. we are in agreement.
>>539861021It’s not You underestimate the desire for Kraut to self destruction It’s not only Germany that is obsessed with green and banning nuclear energy but Austria as well The other countries even the most pro American ones like Poland are pro nuke
>>539861136what does California even produce other than tech bubbles?
>>539861136>>539861172America produces nothing. Germany produces more than America does even after deindustrialization. Look at ammo production
>>539861165germany is pro american as well, youre totally missing the point, you stupid french nigger
>>539861172a big chunk of the nation's foodhollywoodregulationsweed
>>539861165>>539861217Germany is under military occupation by soviet America for the last 80 years
>>539861224right, some nuts in our supermarkets come from there
>>539861224Goyslop and jewllywood
>>539861208we still produce plenty, but there is plenty of automation so not as many jobs. the unions overplayed their hands.
>>539861270It all needs to collapse. So we can recreate it
>>539861165>It’s notLiterally is, it's entire goverment was installed by the US post occupation.> It’s not only Germany that is obsessed with green and banning nuclear energy but Austria as wellCorrect and both of these are fucking mutt vassal states.The only reason France still has a nuclear power industry is due to its ruling class not being directly installed by the mutts thus they retain some soveirgnity.> The other countries even the most pro American ones like Poland are pro nukeNobody gives a shit what Poland has to say, it's irrelevant.
>>539861217JawholeHerr schroeder is so pro American his work is literally to lobby for an American gas company, oh wait :)
>>539859963This drunken fool is passed out already, man, dreaming about his drunken grandpa and his drunken friends ruining all the jobs at the delorean factory circa 1982.
>>539859636At least the tsunami won't cause an European Fukushima now the they shut down all their nuclear power plants
>>539861660dunno about you, but i would rather have robots making steel than humans. its extremely dangerous work, even still today.
>>539861711That was Northern Ireland not the Republic.
>>539861704and hes totally ostracized from german society because of italso youre not french, youre an american shill nigger
>>539859636Modern EU cars are designed to wreck the engines prematurely in the name of climate.
>>539861717are you guys at risk of a tsunami? you have some volcanoes up north. fucking sweden ruining it for everyone as is tradition.
>europe getting fucked by america and china at the same timeAnd you wonder why everything is fucked?
>>539861679If that was the case Nordstream would have never happenedSee how Trump and Biden warned about it
>>539861791We need your help my bong friend
>>539859636>>539860132>>539860375>flood your continent with shitty BYD cans>destroy your industry>blame mutts>?????I thought Gemans were smart... or at least the smartest in Europe, now onder the whole continent its going to shit
>>539861793it slipped through and americans raged against it ever since
>>539861208>look at our garage industry!>ignore our largest industry dying!We should have put you out of your misery. Anyhoo, get some rest, Mr Noseberg wants you in early tomorrow.
>>539861793>If that was the case Nordstream would have never happenedAmerica canceled it, as soon as Russia got uppity.
>>539861812Volkswagen owns the european electric car market, thats not the problemthe problem is that China doesnt play fair
>>539861881russia didnt get uppity.the US is retarded and lets first generation immigrants into our government and the people with old world chips on their shoulder about russia drug us into their bullshit.
>>539861812>> Mutts invade a country>> Install it's government, write it's laws.>> Shit goes south> AMG HOW DARE YOU BLAME MUTTS FOR DIS, WE DINDU NUFFIN!
>>539861778No, there's not even a risk of an earthquake or hurricane. Literally the safest place on earth for nuclear power. But good luck explaining that to the retarded German voters
>>539861940Russia did get uppity with America when they made it clear that they rejected the BS the mutts pulled in Ukraine in 2014 and proceeded to do somehing about it.That's "getting uppity".
>>539861811I'd set up all new companies but nobody wants to back me.
>>539861982well yeah, you dont have slaves fucking around near mt vesuvius anymore, so vulcan remains appeased
>>539861889You don't play "fair" with the enemy.
>>539861752>those were the pasty drunken ginger retards who grew up 12 feet away from the other pasty drunken ginger retardsYeah, I am sure things would have turned out much differently if they had put the right drunken ginger retards in control.Live and learn.
>>539860510There was a time when there really were “the ultimate driving machine” but those days appear to be gone.
>>539862003nobody cares about hohols, hohol.
>>539861811I also go into China's position here:https://executiveconcern.substack.com/p/celestial-empire-5dd
>>539862037exactlythere is no points trading with Chinajust cut them completely offshould have been done 20 years ago
>>539862088
>>539862071you are responding to a shill bot
>>539862098they shouldnt have been brought into the fold to begin with, thanks for that bill clinton
>>539861679The only reason Europe has semblance of militaries is because of De Gaulle defying American orders.Based French always saying no to afatrica
>>539859636Barbie 2.0Its almost like anti-woke is a forced meme that piggybacks off of people hating mediocrity regardless if woke or not.
>>539861950ah yes the evil mutts are forcing europoors to buy chinckshit instead of their own products (tesla) great logic there anon
>>539862178how so?the only thing France has is nukes, but their military doesnt even matter in Ukraine
>>539861873>>539861812Kek. Anglos fear the German. There is no English channel to protect you anglo dalits this time, when we get world war 3 of Germany vs England
>>539862178remember when some frogs used that one exercise app and doxed the location of the cdg carrier?pepperidge farm remembers.
>>539862120Legit cocksucker back in the 70s.As were most Irish men.
>>539859636>hires 10,000 jeets
BMW produces the best cars currently on the market
>>539862071>>539862122I'm not a shill, just someone who has pattern recognition. BMWs are hideous garbage and they're not changing course any time soon.
>>539860342>coal-generating stationswhat is this?
>>539861109I have been establishing a more off grid life for myself, at least in terms of water and electricity.
>>539862519a bunch of dinosaurs and their houses died a long time ago, and they turned into coal. when it is ripe you can harvest their remains.
>>539862628eat what you grow, live forever.you are kidding yourself if you think you are off grid.
>>539860733I go to the dealer and want to buy VW passat the price is insane and I have to pay extra for every single doodat that chink company will give you as standard with a cheaper car. I don't know man, outside of some really big engine options, which europeans are surely going to buy after they look at the gas prices, I don't really see the German car advantage other than trust and the fact that all the turks and niggers will find it impressive when your car has a propeller, 4 zeros or a target recitale on the hood, but how long is that going to hold?
>>539859963You mean the US puppets in the Green party?
>>539863257Poles dont even buy EVs, what are you even babbling about, you stupid chink bot
>>539863322Polish doctors and lawyers use government subsidies to buy a lot of EVs. Polish government loves giving subsidies to rich people you see.Also Chinese contrary to popular beliefs make ICE cars too and those I see more and more. MG for instance(I think the parent company is Omoda but it's hard to keep up with this shit) is fairly normal sight these days.
>>539863393lolwhat retarded chink horseshitEV sales in Poland are miniscule and they have no infrastructure
>>539863500Nobody has infrastructure and the sales are miniscule in general. The thing is that you see Polish government introduced subsidy for EV's initially will income limit but since nobody was buying(duh) they removed the income limit which meant a bunch of for instance doctors who according to documents work 48 hours a day, and that's how they earn 400k euro a year bought themselves EVs and took government subsidies for them. The scheme ended last year, at least but whenever you see an EV that tends to be the story behind it.
>>539859636Why though? The further we move down the time line the less sense everything makes.
>>539863636>Nobody has infrastructure and the sales are miniscule in general30% of car sales in Germany are EVsyour shithole is the pimple on the arse of Europe as usual
>>539862081I don't care about hohols, I think Russia is doing the right thing, dumbass.But not bending over to America is seen as being "uppity" in muttland's eyes.
The US is trying to kill Germany with advanced trade wars>Invent green party to destroy Germany>Muh CO2 climate change hoax bullshit>Green shit is now the main driver of EU politics>EU politics decide You'll own nothing and be happy by banning (cheap) ICE cars >Also make all sorts of bullshit assistance systems mandatory so no cheap and simple cars anymore which means more expensive>Also systems to annoy you to the max so you prefer rather not to driveFor German car makers to sell cars in China they have to make coorporations with local car makers and show them how to build shit. This backfired so hard that the chinks can now build their own cars minus the ICE part, so they shit up the planet with cheap EVs which will all end up burning on African waste dumps, kek>Muh climateMeanwhile the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about muh CO2 whereas the evil witch von der Leyen commands that we have to kill ourselves with green shit.
>>539862226>ah yes the evil mutts are forcing europoors to buy chinckshit instead of their own products (tesla) great logic there anonThis is entirely due to the system mutts created, which China successfully subverted.And mutts are currently heavily pushing the euros to cut trade ties with Chinks.
>>539860235mehr leute sollten so denken wie du
>>539863709Yes but the thing is you can order Germans to walk down the cliff and they walk down the cliff, instead of that you told them to buy EVs. Doesn't work that way in Poland, try to force people to buy what they don't want they just won't. Same works for Scandinavians - you just tell them that to be a good person you have to buy EVs instead of shouting orders.But thanks for recognising that I'm a Polish man instead of calling me a chink.Now that we've established that, in 2025 Chinese cars held about 8,5% of polish new vehicles registrations, this year it's 11%, with June being a record month at over 15%.People look at prices of German cars and decide they'll buy a Skoda if they really feel they need a VAG or, more and more often, they buy Chinese. Poorfag price-conscious markets are canaries in the coal mine, when Japanese took over dominance in motorcycles from Europeans(especially the UK) they also started from selling cheap crap to poorfag countries. Gee I wonder why is BMW making redundancies...
>>539863953doesnt even make sense, as most other european markets are far ahead of Poopland as welland of course you buy cheap chinese junk you cant afford anything else
>>539863781The climate BS was by far the most effective psyop America invented, it allowed them to basicly cripple their vassals industrial capacity but it did have the somewhat negative outcome of benefiting China.
>>539859636>((((White-collar))))lel
>>539859636chinese EVs fucked german auto. we warned them, they get what they asked for
>>539860510why are they giving their cars nigger noses?
>>539864113german EVs sell fine, the problem is in China, their tyranical government fucks everyone else over
>>539863997Yes thanks for contributing to the overarching point I'm making. Reminder, the British motorcycle industry was responsible for like 80% of worldwide exports in 1960, Japanese were only strong jn the domestic market and countries that could only buy cheap japanese junk because they couldn't afford anything else, by 1975 British companies were restructured into a single company that was moving towards bankruptcy as Japanese took the entire market by storm.I don't know man, pattern recognition, pattern recognition, pattern recognition.VAG is also firing people btw.
>>539864200the chinks are selling below cost, that is just one of the issueand jap motorcycles were better not just cheap junk, chink cars arent better at all
>>539864345They literally said the same about Japanese motorcycles back in the 60's. Even the CB750 wasn't as great as people think. British 3 cylinders were faster for instance they were just a very classic motorcyclist experience as is you had to wrench them all the time. The biggest innovations Japanese have made were in manufacturing organisation and if you look at China that's exactly where they're really strong. The sock cities, lighter cities, multiple battery cities all create 80% of the benefits of vertical integration at 20% of the headaches.
>>539859636Let's blame america that goyman goverment keep shooting them in the foot.
>>539864473>The sock cities, lighter cities, multiple battery cities all create 80% of the benefits of vertical integration at 20% of the headaches.what are you even babbling about? you malfunctioning chink shillstop wasting my time
>>539860510Me. Out of all the cars I’ve had, I’ve had BMWs the most. I’ve had an E30 323i, E92 335i, E36 M3, E39 530i, E92 M3, G31 540i and now I’ve got a i5 Touring which is excellentThey’ve made some bad ones over the years (the E36 and E30 M3s were not good, sorry fanboys) and they’ve lost a lot of the appeal but for the most part they do make good cars
>>539859963Don't bother dude, euros can never accept fault. They got too brown and now just blame everything on the US.
>>539864728I must imagien your shtihole occupying Germany for 80 years and all our politicians felating you
>>539864728
>>539864597Ok so you're simply ignorant.You see here's an example of Chinese manufacturing structure: They have an entire city that is dedicated to production of lighters. It's not a single huge company doing it, it's just thousands of companies ranging from big manufacturing plants to a guy with a stamping machine in a workshop making heat shields for them. They're all located in a city so you can get lighter components by walking down the street if you're running the assembly part of the business. It's all held together by middlemen who mange sales, exports and logistics. Because the cost of entry is relatively low the competition is extremely fierce and margins are razor thin. As such they have the elasticity of decentralised market combined with quasi-vertical integration - the low margins exist but they're close enough to zero.This is why you have Japanese, American and Euro automotive execs going to China and saying holy shit we're screwed, because they can see the big picture of this manufacturing structure. Meanwhile German peasant will stand still and say BMW best, all who disagree are deranged chink shills or poorfags as his favourite company downsizes production, reduces workforce, moves out parts of it to other countries including china and so on. But at least he called random people on the internet poor.
>>539861982>Literally the safest place on earth for nuclear power.That would be here, but explain that to our retards.We have miles of literal nothing, if its irradiated nobody would know.
>>539864884what a bunch of rambling nonsenseyou think german car companies produce everythng on their own?you retarded niggerthe only thing the chinks do is sell below cost
>>539861873btw. stats say 80.000 apartment buildings were destroyed in the dresden bombing. we are allowed to mourn 25.000 victims. i don't see how putting us 'out of misery' would have improved your situation today. you might be a jew and fine. in that case you should be afraid.
>>539859636>white collarNothing of value was lost.
>>539862505Why have we moved on to this wheel design? Those are the ugliest wheels I've ever seen and so many companies have moved on to designs like this. Horrible
>>539862505*sigh*looks like i'm going to have to get heavily into car body modding if this trash is what we have going forward because mein Gott is that ugly.
>>539864994No. They get bosh making some parts and taking fat margin for it, they also have to pay transportation costs out of it. Then they pay random Chinese or indian shop to make some cheap components quality of it doesn't change a thing(think some kind of stamping used as a base of the battery), they have to pay for shipping and margins too, and I guess import fees as well.Chinese b2b stuff operates on much lower margins and lower transportation costs since a lot of it is on-site.Btw Mercedes AMG laid off 4532 employers(7,4% of total) in 2025. The German auto industry can't compete with the Chinese but at least you get to grandstand about how superior you are on the internet :^)
>>539865072When I specced my i5 the man who processed the form said I was the only person he’d seen who opted for the 933 wheels. I don’t think they’re the best looking wheels ever but they were the best of a bad bunchThe clear glass and individual paint make it a decent enough looking car, but most are leased in black or white with tints and those gigantic cheap looking alloys
>>539865130you think german car companies source from india? lolthere is a giant supplier network in Germany, you stupid fuckChina hasnt invented anything newthey just sell below cost
>>539859636>sanction your energy provider>your industry diesoh wow, who could have expected this?
>>539865130The Chinese cars seem to have completely taken over the cheap lease deal end of the market in the UK, along with the cars for disabled people scam. This is a huge part of the market. Sub £300 lease deals and cars for spastics is about half the new car market in the UK and when you chuck in the eventual fleet sales they’re going to get due to aggressive pricing and ever decreasing fleet budgets at major employers, I wouldn’t be surprised if in a decade at least half of the cars on the road in this country were ChineseAll that said, they are crap. Really awful, terrible cars. Lots of modern cars are annoying and lifeless to drive but the Chinese slop takes it to new heights and you’d have to really, really have zero interest in cars to want one. This isn’t unique to Chinese manufacturers but they don’t make anything remotely desirable or interesting
>>539865278German cars are low quality trash that break after a year, lol, and are notoriously bad to repair.Imagine being fucking German and ranting about muh low quality china.You probably arent even German, but some butthurt belter refugee. Every native witnessed the downfall and wouldnt deny it.
>>539859636Goymany really is in the shit. UK economy such as it is, is the king of providing services, but Germoney makes things and so is now being wiped out by China.The German car industry is finished.Going the same way as BASF and chemicals.
>>539865416and the next chink shills show upGermany has the second biggest current account surplus in the world>>539865466
>globally It means America. They're probably firing their worthless software divisions that are in America.
>Give China all of the machines and knowledge to make their own cars>shut down nuclear power because boomers believe they can explode at any moment and kill 6 million+ people>AMERICA DID THIS TO USfuck europoors
>>539865528>second biggest current account surplus in the worldi am sure the thousands of fired emoyees of VW and BMW are super happy about this.Maybe you can throw all those unemployed men into Ukraine as canon fooder?
>>539865569green policies in Germany are run by americansgoogle Hal Harveythis isnt even a secret
>>539865615You cant even admit that the hohol war and EU sanctions are done on order by the US, because that would go against the EVROPEAN narrative
>>539865649of course they are, Ive never saif otherwiseall our politicians are american puppets
>>539865196Those 933s are bad but yeah definitely better than whatever the fuck those are in the pic I commented on.. I guess I'm simple. I have a 91 mustang with pony wheels and love the simple look of em.
>>539865196>>539865695Im legitimately sorry that those were the best ones you could option. I haven't bought a new vehicle in 12 years, I'm hoping when I do I get better options than that
>>539865416you know that's not really true as a general statement, or the third world south wouldn't drive mercedes from the 70s and 80s. it has gone to shit recently. i'd still take a mercedes any day. and cars from 20 years ago are fine. even the licensed production of ford and gm. ford that old don't even rust. bmw does. planned obsolescence is a way for the kikes to rob the world faster, while making ownership of a car unattractive and unaffordable.
>>539865758you are responding to a chink shilldo you people really not understand that?
>>539865795oh, ok. but how would that be obvious without scanning the thread for other post of the id plus your thorough analysis. you are saying there's no point in retorting to a lie when it comes from slide mechanisms? both the lie and the response are read. and i've got some time at hand before i'm going to toil. hardly any valuable threads on here anyway and 80 filter hits.
>>539866000no, its just a question im asking myselfhalf the internet nowadays are obvious shills and people keep responding as if these are actual people making good faith arguments
>>539865758German car brands got so bad in the past 10 years and they introduced problems they never had before.Mercedes did safe money on sound damping and insulation in their W212 E class, because some stupid foam is too expensive for the luxury brand, which resulted in that car being stupidly loud on the inside. And it took them till the W214 to kinda fix this a bit again. They are still much worse than the W211 though.And that is one example of a flaw that would have cost maybe 20 € per car in production to fix. And the only reason why they had that flaw was because they wanted to make their cars cheaper and lower quality.And you get similar stuff with all German car brands. Bosch produces hydraulic pumps for those break hydraulic blocks that all German cars have. Those pumps have brushes inside that you should never change, because its security relevant, and they made it intentionally hard (the thing has rivets to make it shut, you have to drill into it from certain spots to open).They changed the material of those brushes to a cheaper one, because we are German and we need lower quality, now they wear down faster and when they are over, you have to buy a new block that is 2000 €+.That brush is maybe 0.5 € in costs.I can go on and on and on about this.... there are plenty of examples of German car brands intentionally producing low quality that breaks.
>>539866066>>539865795What did i write that wasn't in good faith, you fucking idiot?Just because someone doesn't worship your ZOG garbage doesn't mean he is le epic shill.
>>539866192>ZOG garbagetypical chink speakno german would say that
>>539866104desu all car brands are going to shit. Toyota is basically nosediving since they put some cost-cutting retard in charge.
>>539866235>only a chink would use the word ZOG!you are a shill accusing everyone else to be a shill, kekI have to deal with German cars and i see each new model being worse than the previous one. I see German cars break because of low-quality components that would be very preventable. Then i see some idiots (mostly its butthurt belter refugees who simply aren't around for long enough to remember times that were better) shilling for this low quality.You are not going to solve a problem by denying that it exists.The reason why German car manufacturers get wasted by budget brands, is because those German car maufacturers operate in the same market. The market for cars that you have for 2 to 3 years max.Back in the day you would buy more expensive, get higher quality, but still run cheaper because it lasts longer. Nowadays your EPIC GERMAN ENGINEERING breaks faster than chink shit while being 100 times more expensive to repair.
>>539860849Still plenty of status obsessed chinks/jeets that will buy the meme cars.
>>539866104The problem is that the hidden inflation is killing the industry.A car in Gold nowadays is worth nearly nothingUnderstand this graphAnd i agree: German cars are shit. If you work in the German car industry like me you're driving a Jap. Simple as>Golf MK7 in 2018: 24k (20 ounces Gold)>Golf MK8 in 2026: 30k (7 ounces Gold)
>>539866417this is the stupidest shit I ever heardchink cars are utter junkyoure an obious chink shill
>>539866104i agree with you about obsolescence and the shady/stupid methods behind. you said before though 'all german cars basically fall apart after a year'. which 'german car brands' are you even referring to? audi, mercedes, bmw, vw, porsche, ford, opel. they're all shit? and other car makers are better how? is the place where you come from making cars?
>>539866623>claims to work in the german car industryposts on 4chan in the middle of the work daynot even good baitanother shill nigger
>>539866704Wfh IT jobs are a thing you know?Also production is working in three shifts
>>539860132can someone explain this to me. isn't BMW a german company? what does this have to do with america.
What cars are still worth buying? Preferably with buttons instead of meme screens?
>>539866749keep lying
>>539866808nothing wrong with german carsall german car threads are flooded with shill niggers
>>539866808Used ~10yo jap carsIf you go the used route you can also take German cars from 2010-2015, after that everything went to shit, look at the graph i posted earlierI will always prefer Jap boxes in the value segment
>>539866904>graph about car prices in gold somehow means anythingyoure a retarded nigger
>>539866840kek no thanksMost of the cars I see waiting at the side of the road waiting to get towedare beamers and beamers are total BAME wagons now.
>>539866244Cheap shit can be alright, if it's repairable.If some 10 € part breaks, and i just have to buy a new one and exchange it... it's annoying, but it's not a deal breaker. The cost is less relevant than the time you lost while having to fix it.In German cars a 0.5 € component breaks and you have to replace a 2000 € unit.Nowadays you can not buy a German car without singing an extended warranty contract. Make the dealership sign that they will repair everything, no questions asked, for the whole period you want to own that car. No "oh, it's a wear part, no warranty on that one :^)", use the highest tier insurance contract they offer.Usually you don't have to pay extra, you can negotiate this in.Remember that many German cars have known flaws and weaknesses that can go beyond 5000 € if they hit you. Thinking about VANOS in BMW or the whole BluTec stuff in Mercedes an VW.The AdBlue tank... a fucking plastic box with a heating spiral inside, is 1000 €. And they break regularly. A plastic box.
Why do I see a skull face in the OP image
>>539859636It should be illegal to fire people. How would they have job security? That could cause a lot of things anxiety having to go to work knowing that you could be fired.
>>539866981It exactly correlates with the downfall of the general quality of German cars, smartass.But keep lying to yourself.How much did your glorious German car cost you in service in the last five years? Which car are you driving? Let me guess: None because you're a faggot
>>539866417>breaks faster than chink shit while being 100 times more expensive to repair.yeah, nah. the first isn't true and the 'expensive to repair' is due to cost of energy and taxes on production in germany. all life here pays to the jew. the asians pay for their competitive prices with a lower standard of living for their workers. your claim is 'german engineering bad, chinese engineering good'. while this may become true in the future, the chinese still work with germans for crucial bits of development. you emphasize on 'what is now' as if it never had been any different. are you an engineer? what type? more like 70s or the 26 millenial kind?
>>539865130>:^)>>539867013>:^)notice how both of these chink shills use the same emoticonsprobably the same chink on a different VPN
>>539860235Kikes will buy the country from under you when it collapses.
>>539866690One example i used was a Bosch part that is inside every German brand. Sometimes they switch those over to a different German brand, but you can't really tell that.It results in funny stuff like:>this car model produced before 2019 has this flaw>the exact same car model, looking exactly the same, but produced after 2019, doesn't have itIf you have bad experiences with one German brand and you think you can run away by switching to a different German brand... it's not going to work, the companies who make the parts inside are the same and its usually the same product, but slightly modified to make sure that you can't use a spare part from a Skoda (owned by VW) on an Audi (owned by VW).
>>539867074>german engineering bad, chinese engineering goodNot exactly. It's more like 'german engineering is now as bad as chinkshit'.
>>539860510>BMWankersBecause everytime there's a wanker on the road they are driving BMW's
>>539867049the price of Gold has nothing to do with the fuckign car, you retarded shill niggerstop wasting our time with your presence
>>539867133what nonsense
>>539867137Gold is money, everything else is jewish lies.So you don't have a car. Are you a jew by chance?
>>539867097they already own it. have owned it for quite a while. and they don't need to buy it. they make and manipulate currency. which means they own everything anyway.
>>539860909>europe cannot think for herself>memeflag>america did thisDon’t be such a cuck
>>539867129yeah, you already obsessed about Bosch with your other account earlier in the thread, you chink shill nigger
>>539867186and nothing to do with carsyou malfunctionign shill bot
>>539860822Fuck off jew
>>539867236>Cars go to shit because of inflation>Has nothing to do with Moneykys you absolute fucking retard niggermonkeybrain
The plan is simple, NEVER LET EU RISE AGAIN this is literally the only condition for jews becoming owners of the world
Good riddance lmaoÜberteuerter DreckEingebildete Kartoffeln
>>539867270do you hear voices in your head?
>>539867320yawn
>>539867326>Moving goalpostsRetarded niggermonkeybrain
>50 posts ITTSchizo pills neededAb in den Irrenhaus mitnder KartoffelLachz
yawn
Why does this brand trigger Americans so much?
>>539867129kek, reminds me, i used to drive a skoda octavia from 62. same engine as in a fork lift. you could literally get a brandmew forklift engine and put it in as is. and they were cheap. i've shredded about 5 engines by meddling with them for speed. second carb, compression, timing. top speed 130! good days.
>>539867074I specifically used examples of parts that would be extremely cheap to make better, but that are intentionally low quality.>your claim is 'german engineering bad, chinese engineering good'No, my claim is that current german engineering is bad, and it is intentionally bad. They could put more effort into it, they could invest those 10 € extra to avoid one or two multi-thousand-cost repairs later on, but they don't.I don't even think that they scam you intentionally (planned obsolescence), i think they simply don't give a fuck.I imagine some refugee dude from the Balkans who went to TU Munich and studied there and who is now doing the least amount of mandatory work in his job at a car manufacturer.I don't claim that Chinese cars are good. But they are cheap and cheap to repair.And if a German car breaks within 2 years and a Chinese car breaks within 2 years... you operate in the same market.If German manufacturers would still operate in an "higher quality, longer lasting, but more expensive" market, they wouldn't be threatened by Chinks.If German cars would have been as bad two decades ago, it would have been Toyota who absolutely destroy them.The fault is on german engineering and sanctions making costs explode. Both of those things. Both are caused by Germany itself (one on behalf of the US), none of those have anything to do with China.
>>539867440now this chink shill claims he has ever repaired chinese EVslmao
>>539862505This looks like the cheap knock-off some Chinese brand would design except BMW actually made it and Chinese cars look good now
>>539859636Hope this leads to a new Necrophagist album
>>539860967Their strategy seems more resilient on the long-term as they are hedging towards both ideological camps, there is an ideological split happening currently in the car sector between EV's and ICE/Hybrids, with Japan being the only player gambling on both, meaning that they'll come out dominating a reliable, insulated market of loyalists, the consumer backlash against 'smartphone cars' is real afterall and is only getting stronger.
>>539867129usually a discussion of that type requires the intorduction of 'this and this is better, because..' your posts are missing that. you are vaguely and incorrectly describing the status quo of german car quality and blaming it on crappy engineering. so why would it all be this way? where's the counter example.
>>539867556japanese arent really relevant in Evs
>>539867215ohh, you think its about Bosch?ATE (another le German engineering company) produces things of this kind as well and has the same issue! Especially bad for BMW even.Here you can watch some dude on youtube taking the thing apart to spare himself a multi-grand repair, just because of some 50 Cent brushes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHk64zRhQc
>>539867590its a chink shillhes just throwing stuff around that sounds vaguely plausible to smear german carsthats all they do in every threadthey lie, they steal, they cheatthats why the world will only heal, if we completely cut off that shitheel once and for alleven if its 20 years too late
>>539867668*shithole
>>539867609USA, Europe and China are balls deep in EV's, they don't need to be highly relevant in a saturated market, they are positioning themsleves to be the sole players of the ICE/Hybrid market with a niche EV lineup.
>>539867713thanks for your japanese cope that completely contradicts what you said before
>>539859636You are the kulaks now. I forget, how did that one end?
>>539867590>type requires the intorduction of 'this and this is better, because..' your posts are missing thatno, it's right there:>>539866104>They are still much worse than the W211 though>>539866417>worse than the previous oneThe comparison is the same cars just a few years ago.As i said:German car brands aren't operating in the "higher quality for longer durability" market anymore. They entered the "cheap shit that breaks every year" market, and in that market they are getting devoured by everyone. Everybody else is better inside that market than the Germans. Because its all about only costs. If i know the car i buy will have issues within a year, the only thing that matters is how expensive that issue will be to resolve.So again:Who is better? It's everybody.What car would be best? A German car from 20 years ago, if it still has a healthy spare parts market.
>>539867440there's quite the difference between bad engineering and intentionally bad engineering, the latter of which would be considered chutzpah or izzat by certain people. you are probably right about changes in staff causing part of the decline. but you are exaggerating and generalising. chinese cars may be cheaper. no new car is cheap. most new car ownership equals debt, which is a huge part of the whole car business. you get your byd. i'll keep the ol benz.
>>539867791cool story, chink niggermeanwhile your cars regularly explode
>>539867791>20 years ago*30German cars have been shit for a while.
>>539860909You do know the US basically abandoned heavyhanded climate policies relatively quickly, right? You can blame the US for STARTING it, but your retards in power still decided to not only continue adopting said policies long after we stopped, but to amp them up to comically impractical levels. Y'know, like everything you guys get from over here? All the gay shit that started over here that's long since gotten pushback? You guys took it and cranked it up to 11. Tranny stuff? Same thing. Shitskin importation? Once again.... you guys literally have EVERY opportunity to say no but for some reason the Euro mind goes "hey, America started doing this thing, so let's do it but even crazier for some reason". That's on YOU, not us.
Love how everyone sensible is either going for a Tesla or a Chinese EV.Nobody besides the dumbest Kartoffeln buy the overpriced EU cars.
>>539867791>"higher quality for longer durability"that doesn't exist anymore and the jews have been working since about 1900 to make it so. have you ever noticed the increasing euphemisms in product descriptions? where they're saying a cheap substitute 'looks like the original'. well, that's the spirit that got us into the mess we're in and it will take blood baths to get out. cars are the least of our worries currently. they don't want you to move about at all. 'to work and back to pod, goi' is the idea.
>>539867930thats exactly the pointthe german green policies is run by americans while they dont do it themselveslook up Hal harveyits not even a secret
The motorcycles are great but if you ever get a BMW car everyone says to get a lease.
>>539860638Hows the subscription for heated seats working for you?
>>539867933keep talking to yourself you botVolkswagen alone has 20% of the european EV market
>>539867930You’re a shifty lying kike.
>>539868105Implying EU twats are sensible, they are not lol.Car industry in Kartoffelland will be hard to keep alive at all in a few yaers time AHAHAHAHAHA
>>539867755How does it contradict it? One camp has many players competing over a single market, Japan camp is dominating the other market alone while still maintaining a presence in the EV market and eating some of its share. They also have the Shaken system which guarantees that new cars arent' sitting in lots collecting interest and feeding the banker, all while feeding almost new and cheap used cars to international markets, a cushion of stability that the other camp lacks, which team sounds more resilient on the long term?
>>539868238they just cant compete in Evs and you are presenting the cope
>>539868051i've been sightseeing the motorcycle factory in berlin, when i worked for bosch next door. it's pretty impressive. independent facility that makes most of their bikes. while cars are made in too many places.
