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>the STATE of Israel
>a palestinian STATE
why are they both referred to as a state not country? is it newspeak or is there a reason?
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>>539898460
They mean functionally the same thing in the context of the global stage.

"Country" is a very nuanced word that can refer to a nation-state or simply a stretch of land, and in proper usage generally refers to a landmass rather than a political body. In some cases it can also refer to a cultural body of people that live in a particular area, but this usage has largely fallen out of favor since it's difficult to separate such a unity with a governed nation. When discussing global affairs, all of this nuance is generally discarded in favor of simply referring to the nation-state.

"State" refers to an entity, usually a government, which has claimed a monopoly on the use of force. The ideal situation is that they do this for the purposes of enforcing a border and protecting a country, but history has shown that this is not always the case, and even when it is it doesn't always stay that way.

"Nation' is the most modern word in common usage when referring to political entities and refers to the modern conception of a government as a legal entity which manages economic affairs on the global stage and governs its internal affairs with legal rather than military dominance. A nation is necessarily a state, but doesn't necessarily limit itself to a particular country, hence the distinction. Nominally, a nation is what happens when the native (hence the word) population becomes self-governing, but in practice this rarely lasts, because a governing body necessarily separates itself from the governed. If you want to really do your head in, look at the governmental structure of the United Kingdom.

TL;DR politics is bullshit, culture is everything.
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>>539898460
I think it's because neither has constitutionally defined borders
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>>539898460
Country and state mean the same thing outside of the US. We're one of the few countries that refers to our provinces as "states."
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>>539898460
>state
>Synonyms for "country" depend on its meaning, with the primary terms being nation, state, and countryside
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>>539899602
>Country and state mean the same thing outside of the US.
country usually refers to the whole thing, including the citizenry and the culture..

state usually refers to the government and centralized power structures
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>>539899602
>>539899654
But I don't think it's a synonym used flippantly, it's intentional. All the evangelicals pretty much only refer to it as a state not a country.
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Israel is a US state, the CIA is promoting the opposite because it gives the US plausible deniability in it’s western imperialist activities
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>>539899602
That isn't just a linguistic quirk. We call them "states" for a reason, they have much more autonomy and sovereignty than provinces in other countries, and in some way are closer to nations within economic and political unions like the EU or USSR, and that was even more true at the time the Constitution was written. It's one of the main things about the US that foreigners tend not to understand.
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>>539898460
open a dictionary o algo
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>>539900037
The Founder wrote in states' rights a lot to keep the federal government from having too much power as another check and balance.
>>539900198
You don't know, do you?
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>>539900240
dios mios senior
open an english language dictionary



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