Is this just the logical conclusion of atheistic nihilism that doesn't accept libcuck shit and instead simply pretends to believe in random obviously made up pagan dieties because if nothing matters they can just choose anything to erect as a jungian archetype for their own will to power?Ive always said the cognitive dissonance of claiming to be a universalist christian and an ethnonationalist is too retarded for high iq rightoids to pretend to believe at the same time. But then the actual high iq autist nazis like myatt seemingly went yes you are right, christianity is universalist and i am a tribalist and if we are just animals then we should strip all empathy and softness and lean into worship of the self, hatred of the weak and take on nietzsche as a prime directive. Same thing with the high iq nazis going no actually the holocaust did happen and it is why hitler was based, where as most white nationalist 1.0 guys were like no its all fake and we don't support genociding our enemies, which again seems pretty obviously not what the actual nazi intelligensia ever believed. all the gen Z and gen Alpha righoids online seem to be much more intellectually honest about this and lean towards siege pilled niner stuff. Obviously its horrible and nuts, but at least they aren't so deluded they think the dems are the real racists lololol.
David Myatt is my hero
I’m confused. Where is the cognitive dissonance in believing a singular God in which all humans are made in the image of. And prioritising the wellbeing and preservation of your people? I can see how it conflicts with ethnic supremacism. However supremacism =/= nationalism.Can one believe in Christian universalism and prioritise the wellbeing of one’s family?You seem to think you have taken the high IQ path, but supremacism is a rather faulty basis for loyalty.
>>539917911The bible is universalist in character. The religion says that a jewish brown man from the middle east is literally God and that to worship him is the only way to escape the fires of eternal punishment. His disciples were brown jews from the middle east. They preached in charity to the weak, the meek, they preached against the somination of the strong, they called to break tribal and racial bonds and instead become brothers in christ. You can't say its logical to believe a brown jewish man is literally God but want brown jews expelled from your country, you can't believe in racialism or nationalism and have an honest reading of scripture. Its not possible, unless you just ignore the cognitive dissonance ringing in your ears. I am not a righoid nazi retard. I think racialism is retarded. But thats the point, you can either be a racial supremacist or a christian. You can't be both. At least the high IQ nazis admit this, unlike the christians who wrap themselves up into pretzels pretending the supposed God wasn't a brown middle easterner, whose religion was supposedly spread by brown jews, yet they want a racially pure ethnostate??/ erm okay. Racialism is a form of paganism, its worship of the ancestors and worship of the blood metaphsics. Theres a reason hitler and the other nazi high command hated christianity but had to pay lip service to it to placate the bovine low iq rightoid masses.
>>539918178>unless you just ignore the cognitive dissonance ringing in your ears.That's why they denounce any attempt to make the Trinity logicalThey want you conditioned to accepting contradictions.
>>539918178>You can't say its logical to believe a brown jewish man is literally God but want brown jews expelled from your countryWhy?>you can't believe in racialism or nationalism and have an honest reading of scripture. Why?>Its not possibleWhy?Those are all legit questions by the way that you actually need to address. You can’t just say…. B…. BECAUSE I SAID SO.Again I ask my previous question, Can one believe in Christian universalism and prioritise the wellbeing of one’s family?>You can either be a racial supremacist or a christian. You can't be both. Agreed. However supremacism =/= nationalism.Everything you say next is based on the faulty conflation of the two so it actually doesn’t need to be addressed. Again you seem to think you have taken the high IQ path, but supremacism is a rather faulty basis for loyalty.
>>539918501>Can one believe in Christian universalism and prioritise the wellbeing of one’s family?Not reallyIn Christianity, the only relationship that matters is with Christ
>>539917270O9A has been a largely defunct group since the 90s, maybe early 2000s. They, functionally, don't exist. You used to be able to find archived PDFs and stuff that they wrote, but even on Tor/Freenet/I2P etc there are no groups/sites/etc.Atomwaffen is not an offshoot of O9A. Neither is 764Anyone telling you otherwise is a retarded kiwifaggot.t. was involved with "Noctulians" in the early 2000s
>>539918534>Not really. In Christianity, the only relationship that matters is with Christlol, lmao even. 1st Timothy 5:8. Better luck next time.
>What the fuck is going on with the O9A/764 shit?lack of a cohesive society breeds nihilism
>>539918501For the same reason you can't be an omnivorous vegan, its a logical contradiction in terms. If you are christian the ultimate source of your metaphysical, ethical, political worldview has to be based soley in scripture and church tradition. That logically follows from the tenets of christian theology. You can't then hold terrestrial political positions that oppose the core theological and ethical conditions of belief in christianity, as you actual operating axioms, without creating a logical inconsistency in your world view. For your true believer, his people are the believers, not his race or tribe or nation. A pagan white european is not your brother. A black Ugandan christian is. There is no way to square that circle and make totally opposiong world views, compatible. No matter how much you twist yourself into a pretzel.
>>539918557Yes i am aware, im not saying they are all the same or cadenhead was a niner, im saying that the general nihilistic millenarian occultism and its less overt influence on the general current, is one and the same. In the same way most western roghtoids are liberals who just hate muslims and browns, but they are totally influenced by the overriding liberal order, similarly 09a has and does seem to be influencing the youth rigoid demographic, even if most are not aware of it themselves.
>>539918618You can't take one passage of the bible and infer broader textual qiyas, this is basic first year theology stuff bro, please actually study theology if you claim to believe in it.
>>539918618Hmm fair enoughI still don't think this is supporting tribalism or nationalism.It seems to be about the practicalities of caring for widows and old people.
>>539918770I agree with you about most of this. However, I think you're putting the cart before the horse when it comes to the zoomers who create these groups. They're edgelords and they start larping as a "splinter" or whatever. I'm aware of a few of these people. They're already fucked in the head. Severely mentally ill and rather than being influenced by O9A or any of these groups they laugh about it like "what if we started larping like these people, and then normies would think these people are doing things haha"
>>539919064You can pathologise any movement though. Lots of the people involved with the comm are not mentally ill, they are simply nihilistic, but being nihilistic is not a mental illness, in the same way most ideological communists and fascists are not diagnosably mentally ill. The level of siege and niner influence on youth rightoid tiktok and telegram feeds is kinda nuts. Most of the people engaging in these aesthetics might not even be conscious but they are imbing it. They dont believe in god, they are totally nihilistic, they think pagan aesthetics and natsoc darwinian aesthetics is cool. Im talking regular school kids who are totally into this who you would never expect. Seeing a constant flow of normal 13 year olds in europe suddenly planning to blow up their local synagogue or mosque, or kill women, or whatever, its way worse than most people even realise, till you look at the youth extremism conviction rates, they are up like 1000 percent.
The problem with this logic is assuming your tribe is your countrymen, your race, you name it. This is what governments want you to believe, that your tribe can be millions of people.It is a ridiculous notion when you really think about it. Your tribe are your closest friends at most. Everyone else is unknown for the most part.
>>539918677> For the same reason you can't be an omnivorous vegan, it’s a logical contradiction in terms. You aren’t actually explaining why. You are just reasserting your claim with a poor analogy.>If you are christian the ultimate source of your metaphysical, ethical, political worldview has to be based soley in scripture and church tradition. Yes.>That logically follows from the tenets of christian theology. Yes>You can't then hold terrestrial political positions that oppose the core theological and ethical conditions of belief in christianityYes.>as you actual operating axioms, without creating a logical inconsistency in your world view. Yes>For your true believer, his people are the believers, not his race or tribe or nation. Yes, However you make a slight logic error in assuming that’s supplantive rather than supplementary. >A pagan white european is not your brother. A black Ugandan christian is. And thus your logic error arrives at this.I will ask my question for a third time. Can one believe in Christian universalism and prioritise the wellbeing of one’s family? (Notice how I can answer a simple yes or no to your points but you dodge my questions. It’s very telling).Just because an Ugandan is Christian do I owe him entry into my country?Do I owe a French Christian a seat at my dinner table?You are right I owe him a degree of respect… and? Does that proclude someone being a nationalist? Your core issue is that you’re making massive logical leaps without any basis.Let’s explore a hypothetical. 2 Christian countries exist (let’s call them France and Germany). Do the Germans owe the French free access to their country? Do the Germans cease to be Christian if they say “The French are guests in our country and have not been showing honor to whom honor is due to they now must return to France”?>There is no way to square that circle As I have shown, you are calling a square a circle.
The problem with this logic is assuming your tribe is your countrymen, your race, you name it. This is what governments want you to believe, that your tribe can be millions of people.It is a ridiculous notion when you really think about it. Your tribe are your closest friends at most. Everyone else is unknown for the most part.Ideologies are just imaginary concepts designed as a means to manipulate people into granting you the power to subjugate them.
>>539917875Ron > David
>>539918846>You can't take one passage of the bible and infer broader textual qiyasLucky for me I don’t need to. The text deals specifically with the topic at hand.The claim: the only relationship that matters is with ChristThe verse says the exact opposite. You would need to argue why 1st Timothy 5:8 means the opposite of the at face reading. Unfortunately for you this is basic first year theology stuff.So I encourage you to actually study theology if are going to try and lecture people about it.
>>539917270I think desperation and groundwork done by figures in the easy years make for political extremism. Communism is extremist, but it only has Pissan and some members of the DSA, so they have to hide their power level. They're not powerful enough or desperate enough to be anti-liberal in liberal society. White supremacists on the other hand, have been apart of america's history since the beginning, and hasn't left public conscious for more than a year at practically any point in american history. Then take into account group like the heritage foundation, and people like epstein and steve bannon, and of course it spread again, it was designed to. And if your parents grew up watching sorkin, you were bound to that path from the beginning. If you want to understand why those terrorists groups got popular, it's something akin. The leader was some high schooler with no friends and infinite online access. Everyone knows the internet has a pedophilia and general deviant crime problem, so that's the stage set. The desperation was as you point out, a lack of purpose, but also some deficiency of character. Final point, iq is irrelevant. That only talks about the level of restraint a group can have to taking ideas to their logical conclusion. Reagan, nixon, and J. Edgar Hoover were racist, but they had the restraint to not value it over american values overly and overtly. Fuentes (maybe a different standard to hold him to) doesn't. Trump doesn't.
>>539918853>It seems to be about the practicalities of caring for widows and old people.It’s not talking about the practicalities of caring for widows and old people. A practicality is a real, everyday detail and why requirement needed to do something. It’s making a moral claim. It’s saying you owe care for your relatives and especially your household. So when it comes to my question “Can one believe in Christian universalism and prioritise the wellbeing of one’s family?”, the answer isn’t simply a yes. It is “yes and one ought to do so”.The Patriarch of the Irish O’Connor family is morally right for saying “The O’Connor families resources for the O’Connor Family”.If one ought to care for their family then you need to make the case on why a Frenchmen who says “France for the French” cannot be a Christian.
I'm not sold on Nietzsche as a life philosophy that's about stripping out empathy and softness, or worshiping the self, to me that's more a thing that scared Christians say about Nietzsche than something he states. His writings are full of vulnerability, and as Zarathustra says to his disciples at some point,>Go away from me...perhaps Zarathustra has misled you!Christians come at it from the Christian viewpoint, that humans are inherently evil and require an imposed system of morality from a God to function pro-socially ("good"). So they assume that any attempt to strip away that authority is an attempt to find leeway to misbehave; the only point to getting rid of God is to get rid of God's rules too, so to speak. This is something I think Nietzsche was actually worried about in terms of morality, that the loss of god; or perhaps more accurately, the sudden discovery of his eternal absence; would lead to nihilism as humans presumed that in a world without a god they are required to suddenly act like deranged high-time-preference addicts, even if they're perfectly capable of seeing that it's not their highest, most preferred version of themselves to themselves.The Nietzsche way of life is to accept reality as it is, say yes to it, and strike out your own path in it, which is maybe aligned with everyone else and maybe isn't. Not even Stirner claims that this way of life is one where you never love anyone or never do a kindness to anybody, you just do it self-directedly rather than at the behest of an authority. And definitely not self-critical Nietzsche, who was definitely of a mind that he was human. The goal is to live authentically as a human; small, subjective, striving for great things, "going under" in service of the future.Being edgy like O9A is a crutch to make some real distance between childish ideas of doing what mommy said because mommy said it and being individuated, creating your own values and following them.
>>539920079OK but what if an individual does this and his arrived at values are raping, molesting, murdering and hurting people, what is your critique of him, within the internal argument that youve have just outlined. He chose his own values and he followed them, ignoring outside influence and simply chose to follow his own self created values. There is no real argument against him from the nietzschien world view.
>>539917270Pagan deities aren't made up, not the most important ones at least. They are definite energies and can be identified and utilized. Hecate, Freya, Aphrodite...
>>539920215I agree with you. Universal values dont exist. Many institutions tried to impose this fake notion.Generally people, without outside influence, perceive something as good or bad if someone else would do that to them. Example: stealing is bad because I wouldnt want someone to steal from me.
been spooking around the chans since their inception you have to be a newfag not to know about o9A and chanology
>>539920079>the sudden discovery of his eternal absence;The most High, the Source of all beings is not absent forever. Nearly all humans feel the presence in childhood. Atman is a fractal fraction of it- this is a realization that will shake the world.
>>539920215Here's where empathy comes to play. For a whole human, the will is not a bludgeoning weapon against others, and Crowley's rule; Do what thou Will, that is the end of the law aligns perfectly with the aptly named golden rule. When humans align with that it dawns the golden age. A happy childhood is not sullied by a few cuts and bruises, nor tears.
>>539917270You should get some help anon all of this shit is bants you are mentally ill if you believe any of the nazi larps
>>539920603The Christian civilization drove people away from the sacred alignment, which is why the absence is felt. White race was meant to embody and cultivate unconditional love and showcase it to the world. This task was failed by greed and powerlust.
>>539920215See this is a very Christian immediate complaint to have, since there's an underlying assumption here that everyone's just raring to go on rape and murder when they really aren't. The main thing that prevents rape and murder is human disinterest in it. Even most murderers agree that murder is wrong generally, just not in the specific instance in which they did it, which they felt justified the murder. Worth noting; telling them otherwise while waving a Bible around didn't prevent the murders.It's also very Christian in that your immediate concern is how you're going to rationalize controlling other people's behavior. "For a good cause" perhaps, but still worried about it, rather than just granting you've decided you don't like the behavior and that's the end of the rumination on the issue. You still feel like you have to trick other people into doing what you want using this hammer of divinity, that it's very important everyone be on the leash.There has never been a god to make all this shit work, it works because humans generally want it to work this way, and if we didn't we'd invent a god that rationalizes it working a different way. Law and order comes from the sum of all vectors of human desire, it existed before any organized religion and it'll exist after.However I think the real Nietzschean answer for you is; these words aren't for everyone.
>>539920854There are unbeings which work to keep the Divine out, thoughtforms and egregores, archons. They seek to make life unbearable as a consequence of human energetic dysfunction (prodicing misery instead of joy). These were created through war, rape, neglect, slavery and torture, culminating in machiavellian lies, propaganda, circumcision and psychological damage- very prevalent in all aspects of life, including the occult.
>>539920824I don't believe it, its retarded. Are all of you 14 and incapable of reading comprehension?
>>539920215Nietzsche did not like animal abuse, despite his philosophy lacking in the moral law department. There is a reason many greats turn to vegetarianism or veganism, including Hitler and Tesla. Sensitivity is sacred and aligns with the true moral laws behind our realm.
sum of all fears. internet psychosis and glownigger ops.
>>539921350Sure but according to nietzsche, if someone did like animal abuse, so long as he creates his own values and lives by them and has a will to power and to enforce his values, he has no ability to say that person is wrong. This is why a true nietzschien can never really say anything is immoral because his own and in his view everyone elses value system is just made up based on preference. It is why he eventually went crazy. Because ultimately he wasn;t really like the romans or greeks he idolized, he was christianized and his values were inescapably christian.
>>539921558Nietzsche was wrong. However, the real rules are written within us, not in books or authorities as such. Indeed, according to the Bible circumcision is a necessity or was- but it's an abomination to all men with a heart.
>>539919841>If one ought to care for their family then you need to make the case on why a Frenchmen who says “France for the French” cannot be a Christian.That just seems like a big leapThere's reference to "households" in the NT, as something that is godly, but nothing about "nations" being anywhere near as important
>>539917270NOBODY FUCKING CARES ABOUT THIS GLOWNIGGER BULLSHIT
>>539921350Meat is part of our natural diet. Feeling bad as a human for killing and eating animals would be the equivalent to expect a lion to feel bad for its prey.
>>539917270it's mkultra brainwashing glowie shit and tied in with things like gladio. satanism is a classic calling card of mind control operations. its also not really pagan any more than OTO or wicca is actually pagan.ill tell you a secret, something they don't teach in your conspiracy books: satanism is just LHP yahweh worship. key terms: redemption through sin, kabbalah, frankism, crypto-jewry.the american shit is run for different objectives and isn't directly connected to the OG uk shit
>>539917270My understanding is that they just want to fuck shit up. ultimate misanthropes. they legit want humanity to suffer and die. The first irl evil genius to put a death ray on the moon will no doubt be affiliated with them
>>539917270It's just a bunch of gay Satanists who want to be like Hillary Clinton.
>>539922037If you don't feel it, you don't. Felines like cheetahs have adopted cubs form their pray species- typically the females care more. Zoos give emotional support dogs for many species, predatory or not. Meat industry isn't good for our psyche and is downgrading the human vibrational spectrum.
>>539917270>O9AScumbag kikes and feds spreading satanism among Whites to counter the spread of Dual Seedline Christian Identity.
Ironically the entirety of these subhumans probably still haven't raped as many kids as people have on the christian god's orders>numbers 31:17>Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. 18 But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.
>>539917270https://rentry.org/shroud-of-turin-27042026/
