>Ancient Anatolia>Hittites, Celts, Lycians, Lydians, TROY, Greeks, major Greek thinkers, Armenians, Hatti, Aramaeans>Modern Anatolia>WE WUZ TÜRKS N SHIT ÖÖÖ I LOVE MY ARAB AND SIBONGOLOID MASTERS ÖÖÖIs there any hope breaking this society free of its fake humiliation ritual culture and retard religion that rejects its lofty Indo European and Caucasian roots?
>>539939733No they are still mad the Yamnaya Aryan bulls bred there women
>>539939733Don't you know that almost the entire population has been driven out of this region and the Middle East?
>>539939959Why would you be mad to descend from a Yamnaya wolfIt enrages me that dysgenic low iq muzzrats in the turk population are outbreeding the clever and civilised, and they will walk past these marvels of civilisation built by their (less degraded) ancestors and think "dirty kaffir buildings" spitting on their heritage and deepthroating dysgenic salafislop
>>539939733We wuz Mongolians N sheiiiiiit
>>539939733Have there any been any societies that got de-browned once critical mass hit? Answer is no.
Turkic mongoloids are an upgrade to armenoids, kurds and other indo-european "native anatolians". The real native anatolians of course live in Sardinia herding goats and don't know any of this is happening.
>>539939733if the sephardic jew descendants now call themselves turks there is no way the turkified gayreeks will ever drop their fake identity. the only hope Anatolia has now are the "aryan" kurds and armenian "crusaders", and it's all fucking grim lol
>>539940475the most inbred kurd and scummiest armenian >>>> every single turkroach nigger ever
>>539939733didnt they larp as KARA BOGA blacks just a few years ago?is there a race of people more mentally ill than the Turks?
Anatolians now probably look approximately the same as they did 2,000 years ago or whatever. How many "Turks" actually look like steppe mongoloids
>>539940756Erdogan is the only one I have ever seen exhibit clear mongoloidism.
Everybody should embrace all components of their ethnic makeup for max LARP and subclass combos
>>539940740
Every day that passes while the great city of Constantine is occupied by filthy turk scum is a tragedy for all of humanity
Turks legitimately have non trivial medieval Turkic ancestry, the meme that they are just byzantine era Greekoids has been long surpassedthe problem is expecting OG Turks to be 100% Hun-like Chinks when even in the steppe they were already 50-60% caucasoid, so the actual east Asian contribution is small, but always was
>>539940443Yes, Spain
>>539941027function of being bounded by populated areas on all sides: raciation can only occur at bottleneck points
>>539940475Delusional cope
>>539941027>The Ruling Ashina Clan: High-coverage genomic analysis of elite figures, such as Empress Ashina (6th century AD), revealed roughly 97.7% Ancient Northeast Asian ancestry and only 2.3% West Eurasian ancestry, aligning them closely with ancient Mongolic and Tungusic steppe groups.The original Turks were 100% mongoloid.Then the turks were raped and enslaved by the Arabs.After the battle of Kharistan.They turned into slave soldiers.Thats when their genetics began to change.Deviating more to your "medieval turks" nonsense.The turks which arrived to Anatolia had 400 years of their mothers being raped by Arabs and Farsis.
in fact, overall Greeks and Turks have been getting further and further apart paradoxically, during the Roman era due to migrations from Anatolia to Greece and Italy the whole southItaly-Greece-Anatolia region was a genetic continuum, then with the fall of Rome first the Slavs, then Turks in Turkey made the two regions increasingly alien
>>539941094the spanish are pretty much brown themselves though
>>539940919Constantine was a traitor.His city deserves every single turkroach.
>>539940850How is it larp? The turks are actual descendants and inheritors of those people. It is the Turkic identity which is the larp
>>539941229I'm talking about the kind of populations that entered Turkey from the steppe obviously not some highly divergent population from centuries earlier than the Turkic expansion, no Chink-like population entered Anatolia at any point
>>539941238>overall Greeks and Turks have been getting further and further apartNot really.Greeks and Turks are still overwhelmingly Anatolian Farmers.Turks have deviations towards the Caucasus, the Levant and the Zagros mountains.Greeks have more Balkanic and Lybian DNA.
>>539939733You need to go further back. Remember.....remember....
>>539941304>no Chink-like population entered Anatolia at any pointThe Mongols and Timurids did.Turks themselves no.They were already Zagrosian and Semitic deviated.
>>539939733Its an Islamic disease. Every convert will through their roots away and start to bootlick subhuman bedouin culture.
>>539941027Coping nonsense, this just means the "medieval Turks" were already we wuzzing. Turks have no more than 5% Siberian DNA and they autosomally cluster with Bronze Age Anatolians and are not drawn towards Central Asia in any major way. This is like saying Finns jave significant Asian DNA because they're "30% Saami" or some.shit
>>539941781no point in responding seriously to someone who has 0 clue what he is babbling about, look at medieval Ottoman samples from Anatolia and compare them to Turks from medieval Kazakhstan then come back to me, tired of wasting my time with apes who haven't even followed population genetics
>>539939733What’s the actual situation in Anatolia?I thought they were all Greeks and whatnot and then the roaches came and did what subhuman muhammedan niggers do and so now the population is mostly roaches. It’s a pisslamic country so I had assumed.
>>539941781Medieval Turks were racial Iranians like Malik Shah whose great-grandfather was a mongoloid in the steppe serving as a mercenary/slave to the Abbassid Caliphate.Medieval Turkish is a modern Turkish way of coping.
>>539941944Every region has been conquered and reconquored over and over, then its inhabitants spread throughout the cities of the old empires. Its funny anyone gets uppity over anything when we are all products of centuries of compounded rape babies.
>>539942129More so the agricultural centers of China, Mesopotamia and India.Peripheric places like Europe, the Americas, Subsaharan Africa and Australia have largely maintained racial continuity.
>>539942129it's not that simple either, rather than constant mixing, it's more like occasional pulses, Romans or Greeks for example demographically didn't leave much of a trace in Anatolia due to their conquest not being a demographic/migratory one but political(and Anatolia was a demographic behemoth in antiquity so good luck with that)the medieval Turkic one clearly did leave an impact, not overwhelming, Turks are still for te most part derived from the previous inhabitants, but certainly for example much more relevant than the impact of Hungars in so called Hungary
>>539941958Turks are Asians from from eastern siberia
>>539941916I'm genetically smarter and more civilised than everyone in your sub 6ft wog mafia family actually and your vague admixture bloc autism which relays no useful information whatsoever doesn't change the fact that on principle component analyses modern Turks sit in the same place as Bronze Age central Anatolians with a sprinkle of Siberian and DNA from Europeans (which had probably always been a thing in Western Anatolia)
>>539942328Original Turks yes.The purest Turk is the Yakut.But they turned nomadic under Scythian rule.Genocided the Scythians.Then got conquered by the Arabs.And then migrated to Anatolia.
>>539942422>relays no useful information whatsoeverthat's because you are incredibly dumb and dysgenic and probably colored like animal feces, you concession is nevertheless accepted
>>539942299>>539942479Zero means of distinguishing the Iranian Neolithic DNA from your medieval Turks from the Iranian Neolithic DNA of the local inhabitants btw. Nice middling IQ little weak stupid Sicilian man
>>539942479We just destroyed your medieval turkish nonsense.I know they are your ethnic med brothers.But you can chill.
>>539942602nope, you have been thoroughly humiliated via academic data posted in >>539941916don't even bother replying to me
>>539942650One graph is not an "academic" source you dumb italiota.
>>539941944Reality is they didn’t actually intermix as you may have assumed. Ethnic Arabs were actually ethnic minorities in all the Arab lands outside of Arabia when Islam first spread the first few centuries and their numbers only dwindled further. DNA testing confirms this. Even the Turks who conquered the Muslim empires centuries later in the east didn’t leave much of a mark surprisingly despite massacring and raping millions, particularly in Iran and Iraq. So yeah Turks aren’t Turkic but a mix of ancient Anatolian’s including Greeks, italics, even celts. Actually for some populations in Greece some Turks are more Greek because the Greeks got raped by Slavic and Bulgar tribes after the western Roman Empire collapsed and the east lost its periphery provinces. More about the situation in general if you’re interested: The first few hundred years of the Muslim or Arab Empire the majority of the population were Christian’s (particularly Maronites, Copts; and Nestorians as well as Orthodox ofc) in the old Roman Empire lands of North Africa and the levant, and when they all ended up converting over time they out bread the ethnic Arab Bedouins everywhere pretty much. A large part of conversions was similarities between eastern Christian beliefs vs the establishment Christianity of the west and Anatolia which were far more similar to the beliefs of Islam regarding there being no trinity but one indivisible God etcThere was intermixing of course but not how you may imagine. I used to think they raped everyone too but it turns out they didn’t. Like if you go to say Morocco or Algeria they’re primarily amazingh Berbers, Egypt a mix from before the Muslims even showed up but still uniquely Coptic people. Levantines. Here’s a kicker for you too. The Palestinians we call Arabs today are primarily ethnically Canaanite and Samaritan not Arab. They have far more ancient Jew and Christian blood than the Ashkenazi Jews who mixed with Europeans.
>>539942779the source is Lazaridis 2022, the Genetic history of the near eastunlike you subhuman monkeys I follow the subject and have been doing so for years
>>539942867Your same source claims negligible turkic DNA.As any other source I mentioned.
>>539942650can you also thoroughly humiliate me
>>539943048literally in the abstract>During medieval times, migrations associated with Slavic and Turkic speakers profoundly affected the region.you are the same clown who was trying to teach me Homeric Greek in another thread, hilarious clown I like your retarded shenanigans
>>539943127>profoundly affected the region.5% DNA deviationWOWZERS ITALOCONGOIDYOU THOUROUGHLY HUMILLIATED ME
>>539943097sure, just say something retarded like the average chimpanzee browsing /pol/ in 2026, you can choose from we wuz heebs cope, we wuz pharaos, gross miscomprehension of elementary information from nigger downie tier elementary graphs, etc...
>>539939733humans are human no matter where they are, anon. you dumbfucks read into this shit too much.
>>539943339>humans are human no matter where they areChristcuck
>>539942129>the answer is no answer, I don’t want there to be an answer, the question scares meI get it, you’re a kike. The question was for humans, not tapeworms.
>>539943339We’re autistic and these things matter on the macro level because as you say, humans are humans. And humans are territorial homicidal maniacs, prone to committing genocide in specific replicable circumstances. History is just a patchwork of the same patterns and these patterns are repeating (they always do). >we are currently replicating these circumstances on an industrial scale in the West
>>539941246do mutts really
Hittites are the wildest ones imo, at least linguistically speaking but also historically.I can rationalize the Mittanni, but I can't make sense of the HittittesThey took the name of the conquered tribe, and their language is almost considered a sister of PEI. It would imply that PEI must have been born someplace near the Hittite (not Hattian) homeland in the Caucasus or probably Azerbaijan since they were a horse people and needed pastures. And yet there are several language families originating from the Caucasus that are not PEI-related.I think Thor Heyerdahl had the right idea. More digging needs to be done in the Caucasusl
>>539939733The problem is islam.Just as white people worship kikes thanks to christianity, turks worship Arabs because of pisslam.
>>539940145>wolfUnironically the sacred animal of Teiwaz followers and the most important totem animal of Eastern Germanics as well as steppe tribes. Turkish nationalists still use it as a symbol, and I've heard of a Tengriist revival happening online
>>539943712Hittite is documented only from 2000BC onward, irrelevant for the PIE homeland, it would be like saying Romance languages originated in Sardinia because Sardinian is the most divergent branch of Romancethey also did not have a vocabulary specialized for horsemanship like late-PIE, and all modern horses indeed derive from Yamnaya-related steppe horses and especially Sintashta elated ones
>>539941246Race =/= skin colour Race is shared heritage and thus genes. Larger the divergence in time larger the racial differences usually. Europeans are so related we are distinct by one minute you could say, while Subsaharan Africans (for the most part as there was some mixing during the Iron Age which was especially impactful) are distinct from us by one hour (in reality 250,000 years of divergent evolution)
>>539943864Teiwaz/Tyr battles against a wolf.The wolf and the bear were more connected to the cult of Odin and the ruling castes.Less to Tyr.
>>539943999CheckedYes he sacrifices his hand to Fernir to save the world. Teiwaz is however just the later iteration of Dyēus Ph2tr who was always associated with the wolf and obviously the eagle too like Zeus and Iovis
>>539944174Zeus was never associated with the wolf.Only in Arcadia. With a secret lycanthrope cult based around Zeus Lycaon.The wolf was connected with Apollo.Apollo Lykeon had a sacred grove in Athens. Where Aristotle mounted his lyceum.In Italy, the wolf was connected to Mars.Like the Germanics, Mars and Tyr are similar across Germanic-Italic spectrum.Both associated with the spear, warrior caste, wolf and martial law.
>>539943878>only from 2000 BC onward>oldest documented PIE language>no relation to PIE homeland Then where did the Hittites come from if not from the PIE homeland? >no horse wordsWhat, is mountain donkey not good enough for you?
>>539944525Hittite is a really weird development.Its semantics are broken.It has no cases.It has a weird syntax.Its like finding a broken Indo-European language like modern French in the middle of the Bronze Age.Hittite doesnt really compare to Sanskrit, Ancient Greek and Latin for the earliest recorded IE language.Its almost like a mixed breed decadent cousin.
>>539941027Midevil “turks” were only half turkic. And mixed. The modern day people who call themselves turks have only 5-10% turkic admixture, thats how that works. >>539941781Yes this
>>539944368I added Zeus and Iovis based on their association with the golden eagle, the other totem animal of Dyēus Ph2tr, the progenitor of both Zeus and IovisThere were wolf cults in both Greece and Rome, the Illyrians had them too as did Thracians, Dacians etc.
>>539943709doesn't make what i said any less true, you are still brown lol
>>539944525exactly, oldest documented has nothing to do with origins in an era where 99% of people were illiterate and obviously you have a strong bias towards regions where literacy already exists vs completely illiterate onesthe branch of PIE that will be documented earliest is the one that invaded regions with earlier presence of writing, duh!not even the most conservative estimates for the origin of PIE(or PIA) would consider 2000BC relevantthere's various theories for the origins of the Anatolian branch, one of the main ones associates it with Balkan newcomers(e.g Cernavoda culture) thousands of years before they started writing things down
>>539944621That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's another branch of the older language that gave birth to both Hittite and PIE. They are cousins or estranged sisters.
>>539944649you literally got it backwards and cement my point, it makes no sense to use some idealistic Platonic ideal "100% chink Turk™" as reference since those populations were completely irrelevant for the Turkification of Anatolia, hence it makes perfect sense to use medieval central Asians as referencethis board truly earned its reputation as the dumbest board on 4chan
>>539944763Very unlikely.More than likely Hittite became a decadent branch of Indo-European since so many non-Indo-Europeans adopted it at one single time.Learning it as a conquerors language.Almost like the Jamaicans got patwa from English.
>>539944789>medieval central Asians100% mongoloid.
>>539944789This is like saying jaimacans are enlgish cause they speak english, haitans are french cause they speak french. These midevil turkic SPEAKERS werent racially fully Turkic. Dont take their non-turkic dna to compare them to modern day anatolians. Their chink turk dna is how you measure turkicness. You must be an assblasted turk living in shitaly
>>539940348You cant be serious lol, yamnaya were WHITES. We have this thing called dna, discovered by WHITE guys - like everything else of any significance
>>539944927>100% mongoloid.nope see >>539941916come on it's not that hard, squeeze that Africanized colonial 80 IQ of yours, look at the yellow points, medieval central Asians could be even much less than 50% Asiatic
>>539940909 Turks in reality are european wannabe losers who get assblasted if you actually mention their real ethnicity (albanian, anatolian, armenian, kurdish, georgian etc..)
>>539945012>Their chink turk dna is how you measure turkicnessnope, already explained how retarded this point is, it's like trying to measure the impact of Iberians in the Americans by how much iron age Latin ancestry there is because HURR DURR TRUE LATIN = 500BC LATIAL ANCESTRYdumb shit colored /pol/ animals
>>539945107Yes. Turks originally were chinks so turkicness dna comes only from the original source, thats is siberian yakut turk chinks
>>539944718Why would it be associated with Balkans when genetically they were Caucasian from the Caucasus region? And why would 2000 BC be not relevant in the context of PIE? Most scholars think it split between 5000 and 4000, but that's not good enough. There can't be 2000 years of a gap where the Hittites travelled through the steppes and then all of a sudden showed up in Anatolia to conquer the native tribes. My hypothesis is that yes they were a migrating steppe tribe but they originated as a unified hittite culture in the Caucasus>what were they beforeThe uman manda
>>539945107Turke btw are mostly paternally j2 meaning their turkic dna comes from their maternal siberian slut great grandmas who got enslaved by scythian indoeruopean chads lol
>>539945107Iberians arent Latin.Not even Italians are Latin.We dont claim to be.Unlike Turks. Our identity is not built around an extinct ethnos.
>>539945286>Turke btw are mostly paternally j2 meaning their turkic dna comes from their maternal siberian slut great grandmas who got enslaved by scythian indoeruopean chads lolJ2 is Semitic and Xagrosian.Turkic women were enslaved and bred by Arabic men during the Abbasid Caliphate.
>>539945201>Why would it be associated with Balkans when genetically they were Caucasian from the Caucasus region?archaeological evidence which is getting slowly supported by genetic evidence too as there is intrusion of Balkan/Steppe lineage in Anatolia at the right time, but not the opposite>And why would 2000 BC be not relevant in the context of PIE?you answered yourself>Most scholars think it split between 5000 and 40002000 years are an immense time for moving around especially highly mobile cultures such as these were, therefore finding the earliest writings in a place(as I said, heavily biased evidence due to writing being only common in some places) is very much irrelevant, 2000 years earlier the proto-Anatolians could've been in a completely different place
>>539945107Who the fuck is going around calling themselves iberian in america? Turks on the other hand claim to be turks aka siberian gooks, yet they arent. This is like a Jamaican or Haitian or peruvian claiming to be English, french or spaniard ethnically and racially, can they back it up with dna test?
>>539945370Persians and Arabs enslaved turkics in mass thats how they entered the middle east. I think this had been happening since Sassanid era as Khosrows mother was a central asian too and his father a Persian who had purchased her. Either way, both anatolians and turkics got racially buckbroken by r1a and j2 chads. This is why turks keep shifting the goal of what a turk is constantly
>>539945409>missing the point this fucking hardyup, this board is brown as literal dog excrement, not even able to follow elementary english paragraphs and elementary analogies
>>539945409Its successful colonization vs unsuccessful.Turks are 5% Turkic and thats their whole identity.Mexicans are 40% Iberian and hate it.
>>539945691Youre just not making much sense. Youre conflating turkic speakers with actual turks to push a narrative. Ottomans and seljuks didnt even give a shit about turkicness and viewed that culture inferior to arab islam and persian culture.
>>539945736If a mexican mestizo calls himself an ethnic spaniard everyone will laugh at him, yet turks want us to treat them like siberian gooks cause they wuz 8% turkic or something. Turkey is a cult.
>>539945891As you already mentioned.In Ottoman times "Turk" was an insult to the urbanized Ottoman Persianate ruling caste.With Mustafa Kemal this changed.He adopted the ethnic national-state from Europe.And created Turkic identity.
>>539946014Yes it was because of the young turks who they themsleves were led by albanians (mustafa and enver psha). They blamed everything on islam and arabs for their country going to shit so they adapted a new identity.
>>539945402So tne Sumerians were daydreaming under the sun when they wrote about the Umman Manda?>inb4 they were ScythiansThen where did the Hittites come from? You ses how it makes no sense?
>>539945788you are brown and dumb as shit, the entire point is pre-Turkic Anatolia vs post-Turkic Anatolia, the Turkic impact from the actual Turk speaking relevant population of the time, not some proto-Turkic chink from Mongolia living 1000 years earlier, is significant, not overwhelming, but enough to have genetically changed the region in a detectable way, per the paper itself, from a minimum of 9% to 22%(with their limited modern Turkish reference)they derive their identity from the actual population that invaded like Anglos derive theirs from Angles and Saxones, without having to autistically go "hurr durr but wut about proto-Germanic ancestry from 500BC"
>>539946124The Umman Manda were Indo-Iranian mercenaries.Not Scythians. But the ancestors of Medians and Persians.Probably on their way to Elam.
>>539946124the fuck have Sumerians and Scythians(lmao) to do with this now? are you drunk?Hittites stricto sensu originate in Anatolia, their linguistic ancestors probably from the Balkans few thousand years earlier
>>539946170Fucktard anglos are 50% anglo atleast on average and the main identity of the english isn't even centered around germanic identity. Theyre not going around being autistic about germanism despite being 50% german or whatever. If turks called themselves something else instead of larping as ancient turks and claiming them as their ancestors this wouldnt be an issue but they go around calling themselves turks cause they adapted a mongrelized version of the language. Totally deluded people descended of a bunch of cucked conquered peoples. When Persians conquered them they larped as Persians, when Greeks conquered them they larped as Greek, romans same etc.. theyre just a buck broken people. Even prior to all this Iran neolithics buck broke the anatolians lmao. They have never ruled themselves and therefore have an inferiority complex
We need to host some bronze age themed festivals. Do chariot races and battle reenactments etc.
>>539946792>50% anglo atleast on averagenot a single study says something like this, they are ~30% on average and it goes down the more you go westno point in listening to the rest of your babble as long as it's clear that pre- and post- Turkic Anatolia are genetically not the same and it's not a Hungary-type scenario at all
>>539946980>pre- and post- Turkic AnatoliaNo mention of the tens of thousands of. Iranics who fled to Anatolia thanks to the Mongols?Al-Rumi being the best known? Uh?
>>539945032>yamnayawe wuz khans
>>539947144in the east you also had an increase of Armenoid-Iranic type ancestry over time, yes, but it's beside the point, identity follows dominant groups, Anglos also have a lot of extra French-type ancestry that wasn't there in the Roman period but it has never been considered since it wasn't what created their identity
>>539946980Okay theyre atleast 30%+ you guys arent even 5% siberian turk gooks lol. And again the English call themselves english which is a different identity to anglo or germanic despite the name originating from anglos. All these people are atleast caucasoid btw, turkics were mongloid gooks separated from anatolians, euros and caucasoid people genetically by like 50-80 thousand years. Literally a different species at that point
>>539947289You do know the Ottomans were a Persianate copycat.Similar to the Mughals.
>>539947289Ottomans viewed turks as liter subhumans for most of their history and constantly shat on them. What made anatolia turkic were the young turks ironically led by confused albanian retards
>>539947419nomadic cultures are often like this regarding more established and "fancier" cultures yes, Germanics too were changed by serving in the Roman armies, started imitating their helmets, fashion their girdles in the Roman officer guise, even the swastika is sometimes suggested to have re-entered Germanic symbolism from Roman contact
>>539939733Turk nationalism is a whole lot of wewuzzing and fairy tales but they have the power to back it up so there is nothing we can do about it now.If Germanic Whites weren't the kikes of Europeans they would have let the Russian Empire conquer it in the 19th century when the opportunity was there instead they went to war on behalf of the Turks.
>>539947720Did the latinized Germans start referring to germans as literal subhumans and were they barely germanic racially or genetically? Then its not the same story
>we wuz khans>we wuz mongols>we wuz og aryans(persian)>we wuz anatolians(hittites)>we wuz romans>we wuz europeans(balkan devshirme)Love being a Turk.
>>539947730By this logic we need to consider transwoman as real woman. Do you want to encourage their mental illness?
>>539944525>>539944621>>539944763>>539944898the Lithuanian language, despite having only becoming a written language in the 15th century-ish is considered the closest to the original PIE language. it's even closer to PIE than Ancient Greek (3000 years older) and probably Hittite too, immaculately preserved in the oral tradition through unknown means, probably due to the isolation of the Baltics though
>>539939733ok bro let us into European union if we're so european>>539940740>he thinks karaboğa was seriouslmao are you retarded or autistic or both>>539940799Erdogan is Georgian. Not Anatolian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZ1Ybq6akIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfFx5UvzSxcMy job here is done.
>>539948507Erdogan is the only Turkish leader ever with clear mongoloif traits.
Spain on suicide watch>>539946087
