They have sodium ion EV’s now. They don’t catch on fire, they start up during cold weather. They’re getting better range every year. They don’t need numerous servicing like a typical ICE vehicle.How fucked out we?I think by the turn of the next century most cars will be EV’s running sodium ion batteries or solid state (Japan is doing this).The question of electricity will be solved with thorium salt reactors.China has:>sodium ion>DRAM>semi conductors>EUV>DUV>thorium salt reactors>massive workforce>automated factories They’ll just flood the world with manufactured goods. How can we compete? Japan is the only other country that can with their solid state and Diamond semi conductors. White people literally gave up because of dispensationalism. Protestant “work ethic”.
Leafchink threads like this really prove that Chinese are a fifth column menace that needs to be dealt with.
>>539981155>fifth columnask me how I know you're a vpn belter
>>539981026I will never buy an EV.
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>>539981026>The question of electricity will be solved with thorium salt reactorsCool story bro. Meanwhile most of the west is building solar panels and wind turbines manufactured in China.
>>539981225>another leafchink appears to confirm the point
>china lies about its accomplishments againThey lied about fusion multiple times, they lied about batteries, they lied about thorium, they lied about solar panels, they lied about their shitty toy robots, they lied about their tesla rip-offs.They lie about that nuclear submarine that sank in a river and leaked radiation all the way down to the Philippines.If you believe a single fucking thing that comes out of china that isn't revealing what a dystopian shithole it is then you are a fucking retard.
>>539981225Look up what words mean before revealing how fucking stupid you are, faggot. Kill yourself.
>>539981026>have dense energy storage>doesn't catch fire doubt
>>539981026sorry, can't hear your whiny EVs over my V17 diesel
>>539981454>>539981569show flag, jew
>>539981026All cars need servicing, dummy....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPGascEXUac
>>539981608A Romanian invented a piston jet engine aircraft in 1910, it took 30 years for a German to invent a pistonless jet engine aircraft.
>>539981437Solar panels and wind turbines are not great for primary source power generation. Solar panels have severe limitations in how much they can absorb, are expensive to manufacture in terms of resources and cost, and you still have to deal with the environmentally hazardous waste they produce if you trash them. Wind turbines are only worth it if you can set up a lot of them in an area with a consistent strong draft (so pretty limited in many areas) and still have access to service them, which is costly and can be extremely dangerous. They have their uses, but the major push for them is a money-making scam akin to the AI craze scam in the way they're handled. China has them everywhere, and still relies on hydroelectric systems and a ton of coal for their primary power sources.
>>539981756You Canadians are no better than the Jews. Cucked by Punjabis and Africans. Canada will speak Punjabi in 20 years if no one does anything about it. Jo bole so nihal sat sri akal.
>>539981026>by the turn of the next century
>>539981821hello poowel saaar
>>539981797Solar and wind are trash, period. China spent decades of half the world's industry to bring the world up to 10% solar grid. It's a fat fucking meme and the only value is in skimming 98% corruption off the government contracts.
>>539981026Trump will just ban them and say it’s to protect Americans from Chinese spying.
>the question of electricityIt's going to 10x the demand for electricity throughout every country and require basically a new electrification program to lay lots of cables to transmit even more power everywhere. This will be further complicated by people installing home solar.This is going to be the century of the electrician. Trades bros things are looking good! Keep fucking foreigner scabs out of the unions!
>>539981541The Yellow River is full of so many contaminants already from industrial leaking and dumping, I'm surprised that anyone's surprised about what they find coming out of it. If I remember correctly from what I read years ago, it would take well over a century or two before it could become safe enough again, and that was if they stopped dumping shit into it at the time and made any cleanup efforts. I wouldn't be surprised if China regularly has abominations born there, like in India, from all the shit their people have been exposed to, and they just hide it.
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>>539981026buy an ad suvrat
Imagine the West as a gold brick, built over the centuries by the contributions of millions, each grain of gold purified and added to the brick over a lifetime.Now imagine a nation of starving country peasants who killed all their elite academics and leadership, spending decades literally eating dogs, cats, rats and humans. Their civilization can be represented by a big pile of shit.Now imagine some of the gold from the west brick was generously given to the peasants and they took that gold and formed their pile of shit into a gold plated brick.Then imagine them crowing about how big this shit brick is and how quickly it was made compared to the west. This is china.
>>539981026China won completely, irrevocably in every ground over the West except degeneracy.
>>539982117That's how the stooges at the CCP explained the die off from the radiation leaks lol. >it's all the other pollution, but definitely not radiation :^)
>>539982201>thinks we don't know or forgot about their dumb and gay "wolf-warrior" diplomatic strategyJump out of your apartment window, chang.Or are you a prisoner trying to lower your sentence? In which case, how does it feel to have your soul ripped apart atom-by-atom, supporting a criminal regime that hates you and tortures everyone you know, slowly over time, like an agonizing suffocation. You know your college graduates are being sent to the rice fields and factories for "school credit" now, right? They probably don't tell you that at the shill farm.Enjoy grinding your soul away for those disgusting bastards, I guess. If you had any balls you'd stop supporting them.
>>539981910>the only value is in skimming 98% corruption off the government contracts.That's why every nation was pushing this shit and having our gay leaders preach environmentalism, just to 180 on all of it when the AI scam became the next meme, and they were suddenly pushing for the antithesis to everything they were previously chanting. Same shit we had with Bush/Obama and Solyndra here, where one of their major investors had ties within the government and was able to secure them a ton of money in federal loans before they failed, despite being consistently outpriced by panels produced in China with their own shills securing government money to drive down their manufacturing costs. It's all just state-sponsored economic scams left and right.
>>539982193You were literally buckbroken, loincloth-wearing violent savage barbarians who just destroyed (and in fact still are destroying) a civilization while China was on its zenith of its civilization in the 8th century.
>>539982201>China using 20th century America's rhetorical playbook.They're full of shit as much as we were then about not wanting to dominate, and I don't mean that as some jab exclusively at China, but it's just the nature of geopolitics. China just knows that, at least for now, they will spend more, and lose more, than they'll gain if they try leaning on overt military action as much as we did in the 20th century.
>>539982787>natureThat is yours. Your "Machiavellism" and also "Political Realism" as if it's some kind of science. Your scope and worldview are imposed on the world as if your way is universalistic. But for now, it is being proven that all of your accusations are indeed just confessions. It is actually what Confucius said that "winning the heart of people excels subjugation by force and trickery." Now you can see the East Asian worldview, and that's why Japan that utterly self-denied and was also relatively uneducated by it behaved that way in the late 19th century, which was regime-changed and then completely indoctrinated by the West. I hope this informed you.
>>539981026Everything we invent, they manufacture, it's pretty one sided and we should just stop all R&D
lets do this:kill jewboot orc inc mik wop feministwomen 0 money and force abortimport millions hot 16 slavegirlskingfree castles n harems for white male engineerbuild everything ourselvesend aid and immigrationred light replaced by 1 lane road circlegreenarrays.com computingdymaxion car burn hydrogen stirling enginemegadorms and dome cabins and all kinda mass housing free from kingno annoyances inc school university lawyers mental health
If this is true then they really did it, the green battery. Renewable energy won it's time to pack up and go home.
>>539981026>White people literally gave up because of dispensationalism. Protestant “work ethic”.White people gave up because they were demoralized at having to actually try against Asians that weren't even the gaokaomaxxed ones who were plenty successful back home.
>>539981026What if it rains and the salt dissolves ?
>>539983652Nigger, just a few years ago, during the most recent waves of Xi's power consolidations, he was getting publicly ballsy with the U.S. and threatening use of military action, until he had a meeting with business leaders in China where they had to strongly convince him to back off because China and the U.S. relied too much on each other economically, and losing Western business relations would hurt China worse than it would hurt the U.S. not having China as a source of manufactured goods, and they had to tell him to back off tightening his grip on the free market aspects of the Chinese economy for the same reasons. China had always considered itself the dominant center of eastern Asia throughout its history and relations with its neighbors, so don't talk like the idea is some recent Western invention.
>>539981026>or solid state (Japan is doing this).Dumdum, the Chinese Sodium batteries ARE solid state.https://youtu.be/VnBBoZpzt-A?t=2769You can see them trying to enflame the solid state electrolyte, it does not catch fire."Condensed State" is just the China-speak for solid state.Japs are just memeing with headlines. China actually delivers./pol/ are such stupid headline munchers.
>>539985553Of course they live rent-free in your head and are your biggest concern Mr. Mearsheimer. But you can check East Asian history like, from the 8th century to the 19th century there was NO WAR except some minor show of force between Korea, (han)China and Japan except the huge Japanese invasion that was AGAIN, influenced by the West that was the Spanish Empire. East Asian history is NOTHING like European history. IIRC the exact Chinese statement was like "We don't want war but if the US provokes, we are not afraid of it," which is fair.
>>539985553Mutt you will always be the attacer, it's coded in your DNA.
>>539981026>DUVThis is in mass production, right now.>>>EUVThis is still work in progress.
>>539986179>Ignoring when the Chinese tried invading Japan on multiple occasions because they wouldn't pay tribute and bend over for Chinese relations.>Buh-Buh-Buh that was those northern mongrels who were in control!>But China has outlasted every other civilization and is pure in its existence, except those times China did something that hurts our argument, so then we weren't in control during those times, it was those dirty northerners!I really fucking hate the endless saving face shit in conversations with the Chinese, because the Han supremacy continuation exists and doesn't exist at the same time, depending on the subject at hand, or it exists and mogs the continued existence of every other civilization, or doesn't exist and it was akshaully those other assholes who weren't us glorious Han who did that bad thing when they were in control.
>>539985553>would hurt China worse than it would hurt the U.S.roru, rumao even
Thank You to the Liberal Party and Mark Carnie for Putting Us In a Good Relationship with China at a Pivotal Moment.
>>539986377>>Buh-Buh-Buh that was those northern mongrels who were in control!What's your counter argument Mutt?Why are you not blaming the mongols?I have the answer of course, you are incurably butthurt at China. So China gets all the blame for the mongols.
>>539986436No, no, it's just amazing how your glorious civilization has, simultaneously, outlasted everyone elses and hasn't, depending on the subject at hand. It has, and is pure glorious Han, when you want to gloat; at the same time, it hasn't, and it was akshually those fucking northerners, when someone calls out your bullshit or brings up an instance of the Chinese being niggers. It's just always a treat to see which one gets dragged out depending on the discussion.
>>539986582>>Buh-Buh-Buh that was those northern mongrels who were in control!What's your counter argument Mutt?Why are you not blaming the mongols?I have the answer of course, you are incurably butthurt at China. So China gets all the blame for the mongols.
>>539982374Your president is a pedophile compromised by and subservient to a foreign nation, just like 99% of congress. Your political and corporate elite are literally traitors. A Chinese totalitarian state is more preferable to the burger hellhole you try to spread across the world. You should sincerely kill yourself for being complicit in all of the above.
>>539986614>I'm going to continue to ignore the core of the point you're making, mutt!Chinese calling anyone else mutt is rich. I guess, in this instance, we can agree you didn't outlast everyone. See you next time you want to gloat how you have outlasted every other civilization to this very day, and are pure, glorious Han from all the way back thousands of years, when you want to wave your dicks around... until another inconvenient subject comes up, and then you can suddenly shapeshift into "well, it wasn't us!", again.
>>539981293no money?
>>539986745>>Buh-Buh-Buh that was those northern mongrels who were in control!What's your counter argument Mutt?Why are you not blaming the mongols?I have the answer of course, you are incurably butthurt at China. So China gets all the blame for the mongols.
>>539981026The America auto industry is worth one trillion dollars per year and Chinese cars aren't allowed in.
>>539986805>and Chinese cars aren't allowed in.This means we will have a future where Africa becomes more advanced than the european race.This is not a bad thing.
>>539981541thiseverything out of Chian is a liethe only thing they are good at is spamming the internet wiht an endless amount of bots and liesthats why we complete need to cut that shithole offstop all trade with themtariff them to death
>>539981026sodium ion batteries have been around since the 2010s?anyway because sodium is heavier, perhaps these batteries has a lower energy density
No other country advertises itself like a product on /pol/ like China does. (Point this out in any wumao thread and it will instantly die.)
>>539986891>sodium ion batteries have been around since the 2010s?Those are the old muttmerica batteries that catch fire due to liquid electrolyte.China's version are solid state>>539985825True next generation in concept and manufacturing.
>>539981026>ypipo don't season dey batteries
uh we haven't had a winter since the early 2000s
>>539987026It's for Russian market + Canadian market + Northen China.
>>539981437China bribes politicians to push for projects that buy this slop from China. It’s all a big scam
>>539981541China EVs are huge they export millions of them.
>>539987056in five years they won't have winter eitherall because some 30 year old jew inherited an oil company and had republican friends
>>539987065Solar panels from China are actually the most useful thing you can import from there.They are on the opposite spectrum of sending money to israel.Chinese solar power <<<<<<<waste spectrum>>>>>>>>Money to israelYou should be bitching at the latter, not the former. The former is were you money is actually well spent.
>>539986891>perhaps these batteries has a lower energy densityThis is defnitely the case what these batteries have going for them is that they don't need rare earth elements making them both more sustainable and significantly cheaper to manufacture. They will have great impact in certain instances but people thinking they will outright replace lithium batteries are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
>>539981912just like robots
>>539987197>outright replace lithium batteries are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.It depends, do you want your car to be able to function in icy winter environment?
>>539987240>It depends, do you want your car to be able to function in icy winter environment?Cars are the worst fucking choice you could have made to make this argument people bitching about range is the main reason people don't want to buy an EV and sodium batteries have lower range than their lithium counterparts.
>>539987099Well, then there is also the Africa market.China's solid state Natrium is also higher tolerance for heat than Lithium.
>>539987326>muh rangeNah. They have cars that reach more than 1000km.
>>539987065I trust asians to build a vehicle better than some nigger on the assembly line at ford/gm. feels good owning a rav4 plugin hybrid built in japan. I drive battery only in-town for most of the time, since I work from home, I only fill up with fuel maybe once every 2 months. fuel should be $10 a gallon to keep poors off the roads.
>>539981026More lithium for us. Nice job China.
>>539981026why is it game over just steal the technology like China did with other stuff. There is no honor among thieves.
>>539981026I got free energy in the ocean bitches
>>539987490>why is it game over just steal the technologyYou can steal the batteries, you already tried, but you can't figure out how to mass manufacture them for cheap.The Skandinavian attempt to steal the tech has also failed.This is why EU is now begging China to tech-transfer for market access.
>>539987487>More lithium for us.It all works out broham. Enjoy your lithium.
>>539981910Stay mad mutt
>>539987371CATL themselves have said that they expect technological improvements to sodium ion batteries for passenger vehicles to cap out at 600km per charge which they are no way near at the minute no idea where you are pulling 1000km from.
>>539987641mad of what exactly?
>>539987646>CATL themselves have saidIt should be illegal to be this retarded.
>>539987932Your electricity generation is still outdated 19th century shit. Enjoy being cuckolds of the oil/coal barons.
>>539987641>Nuclear and hydro doing all the heavy lifting.Now, look at the pure (no government subsidy funny money making one cheaper than the other) maintenance costs for wind, vs the hydro and nuclear, compared to their respective power outputs. Wind is alright to supplement, if you have the land and elevation for it, and somehow don't mind the costs to safety and maintenance.
>>539988101>have more nuclear in a midwest region than all of swedenyou feeling ok retard? our kWh rate is 15 cents, feels good.
>>539988101To be fair, I don't think China will ever eliminate their coal either, because the coal is a natural part of China and Mongolia's geography.When hard times invitably arrive, they will have to make do qwith that they have.What China has done is replacing the old H2O steam turbines,with CO2 gas turbines for higher efficiency. This is also a form of green technology.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHzY-dJmvk8
>>539988194You realize nuclear is also subsidized? During the heat waves they had to shut down nuclear plants because boiling the water was no longer feasible. Nuclear is not a cheat code. They're not running 100% of the time and they're expensive to keep going too. You need mixed energy sources. Wind, solar, hydro and nuclear with coal acting as back up. Coal should not be by default a huge proportion of electricity generation.
>>539987955That is the dual battery pack that has both sodium and lithium cells in it not a pure sodium one.
>>539988378I never said the others weren't subsidized, I said look at their pure costs alone, without subsidies affecting the desirability of one form over another, compared to their respective outputs. Wind, and to a relatively much lesser extent, solar, are supplemental sources at best, but will never be primary sources, especially if your concern is complete replacement or especially environmentally-friendly replacement, since, especially in the case of solar, their waste is awful for the environment (not even touching upon the damage from resource extraction needed to manufacture solar panels in the first place). Maintenance costs, monetary and safety, on wind turbines are also high, compared to their outputs.
>>539988636One might opt for renewables for more reasons than just environment. Nuclear sites take decades to build, are expensive to maintain and will always be a security risk of a meltdown even if unlikely. They're also not 100% reliable as the Internet wants you to believe. During this heat wave they've been lousy whereas solar has been king. Solar, wind and even hydro can be built, rebuilt and replaced in a fraction of the time. They don't require the same specialized expertise as nuclear and do great in combination. Also as battery tech improves, the biggest hurdle of electricity generation will be a thing of the past. We'll just store all that excess energy which today is made to waste.
>>539988636Wind is by far the worst, hydro and solar are also unreliable but at least they are reliably unreliable we know when the tides come and go and when the sun rises and sets and can plan base load around that wind can go from peak output to none in the space of a hour, blow so hard that you have to turn of generation alltogether to protect the equipment and just randomly stop producing for days at a time.
>>539981821>Jo bole so nihal sat sri akalbbbbasedsat sri akal
>>539981026Solid state requires heatsinks integrated into body design but woke education claims these batteries are made from magical self-cooling materials
op w/o your hard work of daily performative self sodomy i would not hate chinks and consider them a threat that needs to be eradicated, thank you for your patriotic diligence
>>539988864True, but a lot of wind turbines are placed in dog shit locations they shouldn't be in, because of the massive pushes for solar and wind we all went through for years. There are many, many places that currently have wind turbines, that shouldn't at all, but it was everyone's taxes being handed out for scams, so fuck it, put 'em up! That's why I was saying if you have enough space of the ideal environment (which many nations don't), it can work strictly as a supplemental at best. Solar is more reliable for consistent generation compared to wind, but you have to spam a bunch of panels and they're still capped at their input more than wind (but wind relies on perfection conditions at the perfect location, etc. to operate at levels worth their existence).>>539988819Maybe. The hype we all went through in recent years over wind and solar was a bunch of bullishit, though (especially the environmentally-friendly-driven propaganda behind it) and that was more my point from my original post responding to the aussie anon.
>>539989391Does it matter what it requires so long as China already have working and tested prototypes in the wild?
>>539981026>chinaposting>leafflaglol lmao
Nuclear shills are the worst. Enjoy poisoning your ground water with waste
>>539989477A constantly overheating car will never run at its full range or power output
>sodium ionThose batterys dont seem to explode as spectacularly as lithium/lipo but I bet they get some fucking hot.
>>539989595>A constantly overheating carApparently there is no overheating problems, you're just plain wrong.It's the other way around, it way bay better high temperature tolerance.
>>539989564Nuclear is alright but its reliance and cost effectiveness are overplayed online. They are extremely expensive to build and take decade+ from project start until electricity is produced. Meanwhile every other source is way more flexible to work with.
I'll kneel if China can please just release a bio virus that specifically targets niggers and indiansIt would be beneficial to planet earth if all of India was replaced by Chinese
>>539981026OK chang
>>539981541They have told a lot of lies. It's definitely catching up with them. I found myself doubting this article.
