What is the justification for seatbelt laws other than just being safer to wear one? Why are their seatbelt laws when motorcycles are still legal?
>>539997951I have a work truck with a non-functioning seat belt. I am on parole and I have never been pulled over in the two years I have driven for this company.
>justificationNigger, you are a slave in an anti-civilization
>>539998122Yes, but it still pretends to be a free society with just laws.
>>539997951If you're not wearing a seatbelt, the chances of you being thrusted forward and through the windshield are much higher, and this can result in other people getting hurt.
>>539998214How many people are hit and hurt by flying people, you silly bucket ass
>>539997951Motorcycles should have seatbelts.
>>539997951because the police don't want to have to deal with your blood and guts all over the fucking road when your dumb ass texts for slightly too long or hits a vicious pothole or something.
>>539999349So why is it legal to ride a motorcycle? And why are laws based on what the police want and don’t want to deal with?
>>540000036It’s safer to get ejected from motorcycles cause no windshield or other things that crush you.
>>539997951Your ER trip isn't zero cost to society.
>>539998859Its the fact that you would lose control over your vehicle, just by smashing your face against the windshield
>>539998102Now that you said this shit the universe is going to make sure that you get pulled over. Don't dare it like that. It's beyond superstition, it is fact.
>>540002042Then why do we allow motorcycles onto the road?
>>539997951As a GenX when I was growing up there were plenty of used cars floating around that didn't have seat belts because they were optional equipment. I didn't wear one because fuck that baby faggot shit! Until I snuck a ride in my dad's truck (bench seats /w lap belts only) and took it onto the trails. That's where I learned that when you hit a huge bump and bounce into the air your feet come off the pedals and all you can do is hang onto the steering wheel which causess you to turn in whatever random direction you bounced. This taught me the value of seat belts and I wore them from that point on. I was innawoods so I was the only one in danger. But on a road, you hit something wrong and take a bounce, you might wind up careening into my lane. Fuck you, wear a belt. That's the justification and it's legit.
>>539997951You know Missouri only requires it for the driver?
>>540002527So why do all passengers need to wear one?
>>539997951it's gore prevention. so that people can die in the cars, not flying through the air and making an otherwise localized mess ... ... ... evangelized.
>>540002598Did you not read the posts above? I don't want the guy next to me slamming into my ass nor do I want to be hit by the fucker behind me flying over the seat. You can argue a lot of libertarian personal liberty shit and I will agree with you but there's a good reason for this. Don't wear a helmet? It's your brain, whatever. Don't wear a seat belt, you can kill me even if I'm not in your car.
>>539997951Thank you for posting this. The goal is to control people and to have a reason to get money for the state. That's really all it is. It's a shake down, it's a racket (racketeering) The government is not benevolent it is run by a criminal organization. Basically a mafia.
>>539997951> when motorcycles are still legal?Where you also have to wear a helmet, but oddly enough, no sturdy pants, shoes or even a T-Shirt, when any sane rider knows to dress for the slide, not for the ride.
>>539998214You still didn't consider the motorcycle part. And what about school buses or city buses?
>>539998859You have no idea how many people fly over my house
>>540002787If the protection is for the person riding the motorcycle or driving the car then it is their own autonomy to choose to wear the seat belt or not. First you people argue that it's for others so that you don't fly through the window and hit them. Then when that is debunked with motorcycles you say oh well you still have to wear a helmet to protect yourself. Which is a violation of your own autonomy you should be able to do what you want so long as it's only your own injuries that you risk.
>>540002921Also it still doesn't address school buses or city buses which has neither helmets nor seat belts
The American auto industry fought tooth and nail to not have to have safety features. Fabricated studies, tried to whine it didn't save people. Safety features cost money and they didn't want anything affecting their bottom line.
>>539997951Ever see em scrape a former retard off the pavement and hose it down? Takes forever and holds everyone up. Littering’s illegal too, no one wants fat retard guts all over the road. Be considerate.
>tfw old car is exempt from seatbelt laws
>>540002982By this logic it should be illegal to drive in a motor vehicle because when you get into a collision it creates a lot of debris, and it takes time to get the vehicle off the road which is a nuisance. So all vehicles should be illegal
>>540002527>That's the justificationYour 86 IQ lead poisoned gen-X babble most certainly isn't the legal justification for seatbelts.
>>540000036>>540002396>>540002837Motorcycles are legal because they provide a much needed service to society...turning retards into valuable organ donors.
>>540000036I agree that seatbelt laws are ridiculous, the inherent safety of the belt should be enough to let you wear them.Self-evident advantage doesn't require a law.With cars being the way they are there's a distinct advantage in wearing seatbelts.Sometimes a crash that would throw you to safety because you're in a convertible could get you hurt more because you're wearing the seatbelt instead.The law was made to keep people from guessing and to make the insurers happy.In that same vein, motorcycles don't have seatbelts because being thrown clear and scrubbing off speed on the road with your leathers and helmet is by far the safer choice.Just gotta wear the fucking leather jacket (or a full crash suit) and the helmet.Guess what Americans think of that. "Ah mah gawd, I won't crash, I'm a good rider, I'm skilled, I'll be fine, protection is an infringement upon mah rights"The whole debate is stupid.IMO there shouldn't be laws regarding any of this.Stupidity is a choice, just try not to hurt other people when you make it.
>>539997951It's harder to clean you out of your wreckage than to scrape you off from the asphalt
>>540003085Nice ad hominem, bery cumpilling. You proved me wrong. Darn.
>>540003118Kek
>>540002890Smiled
Flying around in the car and your skull hitting them can kill other passengers.
>>540003075Well you’re retarded so try not to get in any collisions on the roads I use. The real reason for seatbelts is exactly that, the average driver is an unqualified retard so protective measures are encouraged via a fine system. Bus and motorcycle drivers have to qualify and test more than the average driver and being belted in to a crashing bike would cause way more damage to a person than if they fell off with a helmet and the right road gear. There is logic to the rules, but faggots think they’re staking their independence by being too fat to be comfortable in a seat belt.
>>539997951> Hello, we live in a society.its just a revenue raising scam nothing more.
> Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over> Click it or ticketWhen I heard this shit on the radio for the first time
>>540000036Cause it's all bullshit. The entire society we live in is just a bunch o bullshit rules made up by people who probably had a sub 95IQ and just wanted to hurry up and go to lunch. they lost all credibility when they imported 3rd world jeets who can't even read a road sign. The government does not care about your safety at all so whatever reason they made this shit for it has 0 to do with safety.
>>539998214it's not about that. it's about you being held in place to remain at the steering wheel during a crash
>>540003619>>540002527That shit's real. I thank God I learned this lesson without trashing my dad's work truck I wasn't supposed to be driving.
>>539997951>motorcyclesLeave us out of this cager. You just do as your told and we'll do as we will. Tell your girl I said hey, though.
>>540003619And yet they require passengers to wear seat belts.
>>540002921>it is their own autonomy to choose to wear the seat belt or notIn a crash how would other people know you're a free thinking autonomous spirit? There should be e way to see you refuse to protect yourself so not to call ambulance and just shove you off the road.
>>539997951You are property of the state. Also your gay retard corpse launching from your car when you crash is a problem for others.
>>539997951nanny-state bullshit, no victim no crime
>>539997951Car Insurance companies. Same with drinking and driving. Same with all the modern shit coming next year in the US.
>>540003400CopeAlso don't insult other users on this board. You seem to like stupid rules so here's one for you.
>>540002396I'll assume this isnt bad faith...Because there are degrees of safety in any activity. Is it safer to take no aspirin at all? Yes, but the benefits outweight the side-effects for a multitude of conditions. Never using a knife or open flame in the kitchen would reduce cuts and burns, respectively, by several factors. But that would be stupid, wouldn't it?We can mitigate the danger of an activity without completely eliminating the activity. It's a figurative condom. And in the case of a seatbelt there is almost imperceptible harm, vs a mountain, statistically, of good.If you still cam't understand this, I'll have to assume you just dont want to. I gotta go take a shit.
>>540003619Sounds like the same sort of bullshit as with ebikes.Pedal assist, where pushing pedals in an idiotic way can lead to crashes due to induced instability, is perfectly legal without a license for anything or a helmet.BUT DON'T YOU DARE HAVE A THROTTLE HANDLE, DON'T YOU DARE.THROTTLE IS DANGEROUS.but the speed this thing can go is still only 25kph just like unassisted bicycl- IT DOESN'T MATTER GOY LICENSE LICENSE LICENSE NOW ALSO WEAR HELMET THROTTLES ARE DAAAAAANGEROUS.Just makes me want to shoot people.Unfortunately they don't have a dying license so no dice.
>>540004264Riding in a motorcycle is far more dangerous than riding in a car, how would it be unreasonable to prohibit motorcycles from public roads if safety on the roadways is of such importance that seatbelts need to be mandated by the state?
>>540002396I don't consent to motorcycles personally
>>539997951Talk to any first responder and you’ll understand whyRetardNo seatbelt is the great filter Darwin Award population culling
>>539997951So your neck doesn't snap when the airbags are unleashed. So you don't go flying into the windshield at 40 (miles). So you don't lose control with big bumps.That is just three right out of the gate.
>>540004471You're missing the comparison modifier of "and why are motorcycles legal"Goodness gracious, does anyone know how to reason anymore?
>>540004255Hit too close to home with the “too fat to wear a seatbelt” line huh?
>>540004579That's strike 2. I'm being lenient, but don't push it. I may have to issue a citation rather than a warning
>>539997951a seatbelt can hold you in place if you lose control of your vehicle allowing you to possibly recover and not hurt someone.t.hate seatbelts
>>539997951You're government property. If you die in a crash, you can no longer generate money for the government through taxes. It also lets cops give you a petty fine, which is even more money for state/local governments.
>>540004537That "comparison modifier" doesn't change my answer. You aren't asking "why don't motorcycles have seatbelts", you are just straight up demanding an answer for their presence which is assinine.
>>540004794No, he isn’t asking anything he isn’t the OP. I am asking if we mandate seatbelts because of the safety benefits, why do we then allow motorcycles on the road when they are far more dangerous for the operator?
>>539997951You need to stay alive to keep paying taxes. That is it. Motorcycles are a boomer past time and likely will go the way of house insurance in places like Florida when boomers die off where it is uninsurable and that leads to people not buying motorcycles anymore, or the price of them dropping off a cliff and manufacturers stopping production.
>>540004794Imagine a motorcycle with a seat belt. What good will that do? LmaoPoint is motorcycles are dangerous, with or without a seatbelt. They are a danger for yourself and they are a danger for others. Not wearing a seatbelt in a car is most likely going to be only dangerous for yourself, with a small probability of being dangerous for others. The fact is driving at all is incredibly dangerous and it should be up to you to protect yourself using your own autonomy without being told by others how to protect yourself. People over 18 are adults and should have autonomy over their own actions and their own bodies. You are not the mom and or the dad. Ticketing for not wearing a seatbelt is just to get money. It is racketeering. You must be a glowy or some other kind of Leo since you are pushing this so hard. Find a better job and stop being a tyrant.
>>539997951It helps cops catch people doing other much more dangerous/illegal shit because they can institute a traffic stop.How many nigger drug dealers have been caught due to seatbelt laws?
>>540003865My girl has a penis so congrats on being a cocksucking faggot, I guess you have the homo pride thing going on the media is all about these days
>>540004879They were grandfathered in.>>540004970Tongue my anus like a good nigger.
>>539997951Our laws are not internally consistent. Why does a DUI ruin your life, but reckless driving is basically a citation? For that matter, why can you be held responsible for driving while intoxicated, but unable to consent to sex or contracts? Why can a child consent to genital mutilation, but not a tattoo? Why can a woman with body dysmorphia get estrogen or testosterone, but a man with the same condition can only get estrogen? Often the goals of our laws are not as stated, and even more often politicians pick an indefensible actitivity and punish it to the point of absurdity to show the public that they are "tough on X" to distract from all of the other unethical behavior they engage in (see DUIs).
>>540003127And sometimes the seat belt itself will outright kill you. Part of the reason they did away with lap belts is that too many people died from having their organs crushed or sometimes literally strangling themselves in the seat belt if the vehicle flipped rear over front. Seat belts are just social control like covid masks; trying to reassure people. The government gets to act like it's doing something to prevent traffic deaths when the truth is that automobiles are just an inherently unsafe and inefficient way to travel and most people simply lack the speed of cognition and reflexes to handle them properly at high speeds. Same reason only nobility really rode horses before cars. They were too expensive yes but also people of peasant stock innately lacked the ability to ride well. Car dependent countries changed their infrastructure to benefit rich people who can afford cars outright and considered things like public safety and efficient transportation for the plebs to be a nuisance that cut into their bottom line. That then forced everyone to get cars and enslave themselves to the autoloan jew while risking unnecessary premature death everyday just to go work for the same kikes that forced you into the cuckwagon to begin with.
>>540005211Cars existed for decades before the seatbelt was invented.
>>539997951Reduces insurance costs as they have to payout more if someone dies. That's the only reason this is a law.
>>539998859Probably quite a few but dissecting a car crash is incredibly hard and most of those death or injuries just get rolled in with the crash itself, I doubt they consider them differently in the statistics.
>>540005459That sounds very likely, my state doesn't require seatbelts for adults or insurance period.
>>540005565wat. where?
>>539997951It's because seatbelts workThey do save livesIt's not because they give a fuck about youIt's because the capitalist machine needs its able bodied workers to increase shareholder value and GDPIts because the big insurance lobby has massive financial interests at stake
>>540004255You're a retard who starts trash threads and wastes people's time because you haven't realized you can just...not wear a seatbelt and accept the consequences.
>>540005597New Hampshire, AK and NH don't require seatbelts, only NH doesn't require drivers to be insured. I'm sure it will change though, not registering your dog with the town is a criminal offense so don't get any ideas that "Live free or die" actually means anything.
>>540002973I bet you complain about how much new vehicles cost now compared to the past and don't even recognize the irony.
>>540005444Yeah no shit. One necessitated the invention of the other.
>>540005727They’re also some of the whitest states, go figure
>>540005673I created this thread not him. You seem to be a faggot though, seatbelt laws are enforced by the state, ie with guns. We should pass a law mandating that you need to get raped every morning by a nigger, you can not comply and deal woth the consequences I guess (a police officer will shoot you if you don’t pay the fine or submit to arrest)
>>540005781no, it didn't, you faggot
>>540005781So why grandfather motorcycles in?
>>540004392Only the most useless faggot scum want to ban something because it's dangerous. In addition to riding motorcycles I also fly small planes. Flying those is way more dangerous than riding. You want to ban the pipeline that trains airline pilots while you're at it, you low-T eunuch?
>>540005948I don’t want to ban motorcycles, retard. I want to know why seatbelts laws can be justified while simultaneously allowing motorcycles on the road. I worry about your competency as a pilot.
>>540006016You are fucking retarded and nothing you think, say, or do matters. You want to know why seatbelts are required? It's so when some useless retard like you drives into a school bus while it's unloading because you're watching anime on your phone, you don't die and can survive to make it to court to get sentenced for being a useless retard. Motorcycles are allowed on the road because we're just going to ride them whether the state allows it or not. Flying and riding motorcycles requires a level of testosterone that is way beyond your reach. So it's useless to try and set you straight on this, kid.
>>540006154I think all of that leaded AvGas is affecting you.
>>539997951>always picking the most retarded reasons to be angryNever change /pol/
>>539997951Bikers are the soldiers of the highway, their death is factored in and capitalized.Organ donors is what they are called here by paramedics and such.I think they copy that from the Spanish/Morrocan people. Lol.I can't count the amount of times i have seen bikers lying on some street as if fucking hulk had angry sex with them.Asking for help, asking you to call their mother and stuff like that.Sorry mam, your son has become a highway pretzel.They give free bikes for the monolombian immigrants, they are very efficient in culling their numbers, like two or three fatalities a week. That's a lot for us.Needless to say those who survive are usually very much injured for life.Transit is more dangerous for humans than for dogs I believe.If you ever wonder why motorcycles are "cool and shiny" now you know.Nothing pays better than death.Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha!
>>540005856>Wearing a seatbelt equated to getting raped in the assWhen you're fat as shit I'm sure it feels similar. Your body is strapped into the metal tube so your death doesn't inconvenience others, be that drivers, passerby or clean up crew. We as a society agreed that this law was good, you're the odd man out.
>>540005880The damage you do flying off a motorcycle is significantly less than what you do with a car since your body explodes at high velocity. Consider>>540003118
>>540009304Just comply with the law or accept the consequences man. Who cares what the state wants to impose on you with the threat of lethal force?
>>540005880Because being strapped to a motorcycle when it's flipping and flying head over heels can crush you underneath it.Think of the physics.When it throws you off, you slide over the road and hopefully don't slide off of it.Maybe you hit the dirt and it slows you down quicker before you hit a tree.It's exactly like the old open-seat race and sports cars where you could be thrown clear from the vehicle in a crash and survive with few injuries, or with heavy injuries, or still die... instead of a guaranteed death when it goes head over heels and treats your head like a roof.
>>539997951Meanwhile, the real Road Hazards are psycho cops forcing high-speed chases, unnecessarily.Seat Belt use is not a problem.Rogue cop action is.
>>540009494>Just comply with the law or accept the consequences man.Ok cop.YOU will accept the consequences of YOUR unlawful actions.Got it?>but but but, I'm immuneFuck you.You are NOT.
>>540009895I’m not asking why motorcycles don’t have seatbelts, I am asking why they are not banned from public roads altogether in the name of safety, you are far more likely to die in a motorcycle crash than a car crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TEg1IJh7j0Man, this is some backward-ass shit they got in Michigan here. You'd think it was still 1985.>no body cams on anyone just a dash cam>trooper dressed in an 80s-looking uniform>officer using his hands to push the guy's window down>putting the guy in the front seat after he's arrested
>>539997951Tullock's spikeThe name "Tullock's spike" refers to a thought experiment in which Tullock suggested that if governments were serious about reducing road casualties, they should mandate that a sharp spike be installed in the center of each car's steering wheel, to increase the probability that an accident would be fatal to the driver. Tullock's idea was that the normal process of risk compensation would then lead to safer driving by the affected drivers, thereby actually reducing driving fatalities.[8][9]
Also apparently MSP are the last department to still use the single roof light and hood mounted plastic light, which is like 1950s stuff.
>>539998214Kid died next to my house because his fat ass friend in the back seat crushed him when they crashed cause fatty wasn't wearing a seat beltSeatbelts help lower injuries, leading to less stress on medical services
>>539997951to make insurance companies more money
>>539997951Didnt read the thread but I guarantee there's at least one redditor in here arguing that during a crash the body will shoot through the windshield and kill a baby.
