Ceuta is an imperial colony that needs to be wiped out and retaken by its native land owners.If China decided to own all of New Jersey one day we sure as hell wouldn't let that stand. So shouldn't Morocco.Thank GOD Trump is delivering Spain what it so deserves after it's betrayal to us in our time of need.
>>540018037Nobody ask a jew why they got kicked out of 109 countries.
>>540018037In his image there is literally U.K. inside of Spain.
>>540018234It's more than that now.
>>540018037What's crazy is how much more successful and clean Ceuta is a Spanish territory inside of Morocoo then Morocco is itself. Proof that browns are society killers not builders.
>>540018037Ceuta's been Spanish for 500 yearsThere's a much better argument for chasing white people (and black people) out of America and giving it back to the Red Indians than there is for chasing the Spanish out of their North African enclaves.
>>540018749>There's a much better argument for chasing white people (and black people) out of America and giving it back to the Red Indiansthey shouldthe entire country was a mistake
>>540018749And Iberia was Andalucia for 781 years. No, there isn't a better claim for chasing Americans from the US. Not only are the spanish enclaves there very small numbering tens of thousands, 50% of whom are ethnic Moroccans, but Morocco never abandoned the claim on that land or the hope to retake it. Cities like Safi and Azemmour were also part of the lands the portuguese conquered along with Ceuta and they were successfully retaken. Unfortunately, due to its proximity to Spain and its favorable terrain for the defender, Ceuta couldn't be conquered even after a 33 year siege in the 18th century.
>>540018749>>540018475Doesn't matter. Ceuta is rightful Morocco clay and Trump is right.
>>540018884The size and population of the territorial claim doesn't matter, the history and principle does.>Morocco never abandoned the claim on that land or the hope to retake it.Red Indians not only didn't abandon their claim on US territory, it's been upheld hence tribal sovereignty.If all white people leave America to the red Indians then the Spanish can start talking to the Moroccans.
>>540019021None of this really matters. We can argue about the non-existent legitimacy of the Spanish hold on Ceuta all day, the only thing that matter is will & might. Whoever can get his hands on something gets it. We evidently cannot retake our land from its occupier so it's still in their hands. The only thing we managed to do so far is raise the population of people with spanish passports of moroccan ethnicity living there from 0% to 50% so far.
>>540019021Doesn't matter. We voted rightfully for Morocco to retake the Spanish colony on rightful Morocco clay https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr9495/BILLS-119hr9495rh.pdfhttps://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr8595/BILLS-119hr8595eh.pdfMorocco retaking its land is just.Maybe if the Spanish faggots actually helped us in our time of need against Iran that could change but nope, Spain decided to back stab us.Get fucked.
>>540018884i agree with this, now gib back rightful roman clay that belonged to romania for 800+ years
Spain is not a white country. >inb4 mutt mutt mutt
>>540018037China can come and try. See that’s the difference between the two. Moroccan shit skin 60 IQ niggers vs. 1000 years of imperialism. If anything they should start an expansion and expulsion campaign in response to this. We need to bring back colonialism
>>540018749>Ceuta's been Spanish for 500 yearsCeuta is an historically Hispanic enclave dated from the I century, roman times, ruled from nowadays Andalusia since forever just like Melilla, Oran (Algeria) was founded by Hispanic Jews in the X century, wanna see all the cities that founded Portugal there too?Anyhow all this shit will last as long as we can held them, now I think both cities are >40% Moroccan, so in the next 50 years we will lose them.
>>540018037how is muslim kikes native land owners? its much closer to spain.>>540019396you just want the phosphates and probably OIL?, they will give it to you free like useful moroncans.
>>540018037By this logic we (the US) should just give up all of our overseas land and military bases. Fucking retards never think shit through aside from;>this is currently what my cult wants so I am for it.
>>540020409The region was inhabited by Moroccans, specifically Amazigh Iberomaurusians for over 12000 years. The cities were founded by Carthaginians and inhabited by iberomaurusians. Since Morocco became a state in the 8th century, the cities remained under continuous rule until the Portuguese conquered it by force along with cities like Safi and Azemmour that were successfully reconquered. In the 18th century, Moulay Ismail failed in his attempt at retaking Ceuta after a 33 year siege.
>>540018037These niggers are deathly afraid of these chokepoints around the world. I wonder how the orange faggot will fuck this up like he has in the middle east.
>>540020688>by Moroccans,Morocco wasn't even a thing, all that shit was Mauritania in Roman times and Ceuta was ruled from Andalusia even during Al Andalus.
Yeah? Why is this part of Turkey?
>>540018037You realize that was a Spanish territory before marocco was even a country, right?
>>540018037Agreed so when is America giving the Virgin Islands and Samoa back?
>>540020688anyone who believe subhuman history is retarded, i know what you are and i know that you tell 100 lies every day. you dont even have IQ required to keep history, your jew master made it all up, to control you useful slave idiots.
>>540018037Shitskin does not deserve to exist. Death to all shitskin; all of north western Africa belongs to the Spaniards.
>>540018475Meh southern Spaniards are pretty brown
>>540018037Israel will say this should be destroyed while metastasizing over Palestine.
>>540018037been that way 200 years before whitey stepped foot in Virginia.quit trying to stir shit up glownigger faggot - we're onto you
>>540020799Spain is a much younger country than Morocco and Iberia was a province during the Roman era. That's my answer to your first statement. On the second one, Ceuta was only ruled from Andalucia for a ridicule fraction of Andalucia's existence. If anything, Moroccan rule over Andalucia was much longer than Andalucian rule over Ceuta. Only during a portion of the Ummeyad caliphate of Cordoba.
What about Western Sahara?
>>540018884Before Islam Ceuta was part of the Visigoth kingdom.Your whole identity is based around larping as arabs
>>540020884America is a victim of colonialism retard. We're native to the Americas.
>>540020918No one is asking you to believe. You already know i speak the truth and if you don't, you could fact check every single statement i make in minutes and get the answer from your own sources. You're not behaving like someone who's right. Keep your cool and your composure and keep it to the facts. Your crying and shouting only paints the image of the barbarian you see in me.
>>540020688>>540021096You're worse than Ukrainians lmao
>>540021164I am not a muslim. Fuck islam. That aside, Visigoth weren't the population of Ceuta either, they conquered it and ruled it for less than 50 years. Its native Amazigh population was there before they came, and after they left.
>>540021284Chances are 100% you'd be speaking the same words as me if tables were turned. By the way, i have no ill feelings toward Spaniards.
>>540020688>The region was inhabited by Moroccanslmao, the Berbers who live in the north don't even want to be part of Morocco right now, let alone the ones who live in Ceuta and Melilla.
>>540021384Then don't mix multiple peoples and states that have little connection between each other.That's presentism. Admit to Morocco being a postcolonial state based around French institutions
>>540018037we should ask why we literally have jews in our government
>>540019021Return England to the Welsh.
>>540021480And that's just a lie. I'm one of the people you're referring to. The riffians were historically anti-monarchic. Nothing to do with their sense of belonging to Morocco. It culminated during the protectorates in a war where the monarchy, the French and the Spanish ganged against a riffian rebelion. If anything, Riffians are the most nationalistic of the bunch.
>>540020854Real question is why isn't Syria, Lebanon and Palestine part of Turkey? Answer that Rabbi.
>>540018884>>540019176>>540020688>>540021096>>540021257the mosques in these spanish enclaves were just build in the 20th centuryif it would been islamic before these mosques would be way older
>>540021507By what metric? The states you're referring to are a continuum that's as strong as the continuum of French dynasties, taking over the same institutions, of the same country, of the same name, from one another. Before the French came, the Alaouites were the rulers and after they left, the Alaouite dynasty regained power. Paint a clear discontinuity between dynasties and i'll admit i was wrong.
>>540018037Exactly how the USA is inside Puerto Rico
>>540021096You couldn't be more wrong, Ceuta was Ruled from Cordoba first and after from Granada during Al-Andalus mostly, they had a "small" peroid of "independence" and vassalage to Castille and Aragon and they were even controlled by Murcia a couple of years.
>>540021672Dude, the Marinid walls of Ceuta are still standing. That's the worst argument you could make.
>>540018037Yer takin the piss rabbi now fuck off before I send a few Norf's over to fill you in. Innit.
>>540018242That's ours, Gibraltar.
>>540019396wow spiteful jews told congress to vote for something to hurt Spain this really changes everything
>>540021781>A wild PIP voter appearsKek 3 seat having ass faggot
>>540018234It's over a thousand this past 3000 years.
>>540018037Judging by current events, it seems Morocco could use a bit of wiping out.
>>540021748France is one of the most artificial states in Europe so that's a good comparison.Most of France didn't even talk French way after the revolution.At one point the Spanish crown had legit claims over half of Europe but that didn't make those peoples Spanish The people's and territories under a dynasty always change because they're not related to an ethnic people or physical territory per se but to a private claim.So that's why I say that the real foundational point of Morocco is the post colonial independence.The house itself is older, but not the structures of the state
>>540021783Ceuta was under the caliphate of Cordoba from 931 to 1016, under the Hammudid Taifa from 1016 to 1061 and under the Nasrid Kingdom of Granada for 3 years. Aside from this window of time which is a drop in the water of Andalucian history, tell me when was it not under Almoravid, Almohad or Marinid or direct Berghwata rule, please?
What benefit does Spain have for keeping those territories?
>>540019396What about Puerto Rico? When are we going to be our own country? When is the USA going to fuck off and stop occupying a country?
>>540018884> And Iberia was Andalucia for 781 yearsNo, a very small portion of the South was. It no longer is because it was retaken by force, not through mass waves of subhuman biomass like the ones your government unleashed the other day or in the 70s in Western Sahara. If you want that territory go and take it by force without hiding behind civilians or your zionist masters.
>>540018475Ceuta is one of the shittiest cities in Spain and it'd be the nicest city in Morocco by a mile, makes you think innit
>>540021925We have no seats yet we get taxed. Taxed without representation. Not the American way.
>>540018884>aristocratic military elite conquer some place then lose it after a battle or something>random peasant 1000 years later with no connection whatsoever to these people now thinks it actually belongs to "his noble people, his wholesome community, his special identity etc etc"same bullshit over and over againget a grip
>>540018037Simple, they deserved it probably
>>540020943You can go to any city in the South and it will still be significantly whiter and more civilised than the vast majority of cities in your mutt shithole.
>>540022346I'm talking about PiP in your state house. BTW I support PNP. If that offends you I don't care.
>>540018037>by its native land owners.I'm glad we can all admit that the the Spanish are North African mongrels instead of proper Europeans
>I just don't appreciate immigrants.
>>540022176Ceuta's territorial waters close the strait of Gibraltar from the south, making it 100% spanish. If Ceuta wasn't there there would be a moroccan corridor on the African side. We will never give it up, no matter how many jewish tricks the american golems try to pull
>>540022063The structures of the state bureaucracy and diplomacy are called the Makhzen, and they're as old as the Almoravids. Morocco evolved culturally on a different path from the rest of the muslim world due to its constitution as a separate state as early as the 8th century. Be precise, what definition does it fail? Because from a cultural angle, it was already defined and set in stone long before 1904, and in terms of statehood too. I just want a clearcut definition so that this discussion becomes substantiated.>France is one of the most artificial states in Europe so that's a good comparison.I know that most of France didn't speak French and that there's little that united the Occitans with a Bretton (much less than what unites a Berghwati from the Chaouia and a Beni Znassni might i add), but how is Spain different in that regard? It's the product of the unification of the crowns of Castille and Aragon with Castillan rebranded globally as Spanish. What made a Castillan, a Navarre, a Basque, a Galician and a Catalan any closer than a Bretton is a to a Burgond.
>>540022548Tf is a PiP? If you support PNP then you are retarded and the reason we will never become a state.
>>540018037IS MOROCCO A FUCKING SHITHOLE?
>>540018749>>540018884The "inhabited time" argument is absurd. Just like the one about antiquity. The thing is, we took Ceuta and Melilla back when conquest was still seen as acceptable, and the people who live there have been doing so for generations. It’s unethical to drive them out or force a change in sovereignty against their will. And I feel exactly the same way about Gibraltar, which I consider British. Playing the Jewish card ("muh, this land was promised to us 3,000 years ago”) leads to conclusions as absurd as trying to resurrect pic related
>>540022176Honouring our ancestors. Nothing a german barbarian retard would understand.
Just give up Ceuta and Melilla and you get Gibraltar back.
>>540018884Moorish woman lovd Big Vandalic Cock
>>540021583>The riffians were historically anti-monarchic. Nothing to do with their sense of belonging to MoroccoBut Morocco IS the monarchy, or at least that's how your king understand the issues. It also doesn't help the Berbers get treated like shit by the government and the rest of the Moroccans.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirak_Rif_Movement
>>540021781>>540022246Ceuta is part of metropolitan Spain, Porto Rico isn't. You are a colony, while Ceuta is similar to the Hawaii
>>540022151>Qrdfrom 1061 to 1084 independence (inside Al Andalus) after that Moroccan, After that Murcia, after that Tunis, in early XIV back to Granada, after that now with the help of Aragon to the Benimeres it goes, and in the late XIV back to Granada till Portugal arrived.
>>540022176What benefit does your wife's boyfriend have for keeping a cuck like you in his household?
>>540022984Sidi Ifni was returned in 1969. The point isn't about inhabited time. The matter is simple. You hold an enclave in foreign land, and by foreign, i mean a land whose people are not iberians, and who still claim it. None of this matters, really. Ceuta may be inhabited by 50% ethnic moroccans with spain passports, but even that does not matter. What matters, as you correctly frame it, is the combination of will and might that enables a side to gain, keep or regain a land. Both of us know your stance would differ if the roles were reversed. I also don't hold any grudge against you or any Spaniard for persisting in your intent of keeping ahold of that piece of land, it does have a strategic component to it. Don't push it to the point of expecting from a Moroccan to forget about it either.
>>540021096What criteria do you use to define when a country comes into existence? Because one could just as easily argue that Spain began with the Visigothic Kingdom and never ceased to exist, since the Kingdom of Asturias never fell into Arab hands. You have just as much legitimacy over Ceuta and Melilla as you do over Western Sahara
>>540022868You're delulu, almost everything about modern Morocco comes from the French administrative model.That's why France still holds that much influence in Morocco.The thing is that nations, in the modern sense, are something recent that starts with the illustration in Europe.That the monarchy in what's nowadays Morocco decided to build a modern nation state out of Morocco doesn't make it retrospectively a nation that has existed in a continuum through the history of the private property of a family.So just like Spain started with the 1812 constitution in which all the peoples you've said were recognized as citizens of Spain, Morocco started with the independence that's when it was legally recognized who's Moroccan and which is the territory, laws...
>>540018037These places have been part of spain for longer than the US existed.
>>540023310>colonyWhoa don't say that word in front of an American because it offends them. Americans have no colonies because they believe in freedom bro.
>>540023622The visigoths came from outside the Iberian peninsula and ruled for no more than two centuries, during which they did not built any form of unified identity across all local ethnic substrates. This would take time even after the unification of the crowns of Castille and Aragon. A unified Moroccan identity and sense of belonging including the Amazigh of the Berghwata, the Souss and the Riff was already achieved during the reign of the Almoravids as attested by their unified rise against the Almohad's treason. To solve this issue, the Almohads had to bring arab mercenaries to fight the berbers of the south, north, east and west (the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym). This included arabic component is what makes up 99.999% of the arabic genetic share of modern Moroccans, not the initial rashidun conquests (unlike what most westerners assume).
>>540018037What a fucking jew dog.
>>540023497>foreign land>iberiansDude, there are no “Iberians” anymore. We’re a mix of Romans, Visigoths, Arabs, and Carthaginians. And so is what’s now Morocco, although in different proportions. The “bloodline” argument is also ridiculous in our case when it comes to determining who’s a foreigner and who isn’t. Not to mention that we all descend from monkeys from the depths of Africa. The Moroccan people are defined by their borders. And the same goes for the Spanish people. I don’t have a problem with any of you either—just with that piece of shit of a president of yours, and that piece of shit of a president of mine. But there are decent people and subhumans in every country
>>540018037We wouldn’t let it stand? Are you White? Cause, if you are, you are letting my EVERYTHING stand including the open replacement and genocide of your own race LOL
>>540024349>there are decent people and subhumans in every countryNever thrust a Nafri no matter what, never, and don't get me wrong, we have a fuckton of native motherfuckers too, but they are something else.
>>540023657If you go back to Fes or Meknes in 1200, and ask someone what they are or what's their belonging, they'll call themselves Mghribi. Your claim that a nation can be summed up to your obtuse definition of state institutions is a pure fabrication of yours that suits your talking points. There were cities built, a culture that emerged and people that call themselves the same thing that emerged from the succession of dynasties that are the Idrissids, Almoravids, Almohads, Merinids, Saadians, Wattassids and Alaouites. And by the way, in a much more successful way than the French identity building under the French monarchy which was poor, centered around Paris, and took the Revolutionaries forcing it down people's throats.
>>540018037>(((Eli David))) Yet another third worldist Jew and another Jewish OP. Fuck off.
If Spain gives those territories back to Moroco maybe Israel can fuck off back to Germany and give that territory to the Palestinians. When is the UK gonna give back the Marvines back and part the north of Ireland. Also when is gonna trump gonna give back the united states back to the native who by the way they genocide.
>>540024588I'm arguing with you with an honest heart. If you don't want to believe even that, i don't care.>>540024349>Dude, there are no “Iberians” anymore. We’re a mix of Romans, Visigoths, Arabs, and Carthaginians. And so is what’s now Morocco, although in different proportions.>The Moroccan people are defined by their bordersAllow me to take a shortcut this time around, then i'll give you the longer answer. Would you call the Moroccans with Spain passports that live in your country Spanish like you?
>>540024595From the Maghreb, that's the arab name for a pre existing geographical location way bigger than the state of Morocco.It's a Portuguese Iberian? Yes. Is he Spanish? NoYou're mistaking toponimia as we would say here with political nations
>>540024262Once again, Asturias remained the last stronghold of the Visigothic kingdom. It never actually disappeared. The Kingdom of Asturias gave rise to all the kingdoms, counties, etc., that would later unite to form Spain. It doesn’t matter when that union took place
>>540024880Yes, nationality is a legal construct
>>540024349 Even accepting for the mixed nature of certain populations, not all mixes are equal. Just as in gastronomy certain combinations fare better than others. Adding third worlders to the mix is like spiking your cocktail with cow urine.>Not to mention that we all descend from monkeys from the depths of Africa. Maybe so, but not every one of us is equally evolved.
>>540025037>From the Maghreb, that's the arab name for a pre existing geographical location way bigger than the state of Morocco.The notion of people from the maghreb referring to themselves as people from the maghreb at the time wasn't a thing. If you asked an Algerian or Libyan at the time the same question you'd get 0 such answer even if you asked a million people. They'd say mghribi as in Moroccan with the same connotation and intent as Ibn Battuta or Ibn Juzayy.
>>540025182The passport they hold may be, but would you call them as spanish as you or any other spaniard? And if nationality is a legal construct as you claim, what would call that other distinguishing factor that differenciates them from you.
>>540025661>They'd say mghribi as in Moroccan with the same connotation and intent as Ibn Battuta or Ibn Juzayy.And by "they", i was referring to my previous question, the people of Fes or Meknes at the time of almoravids or almohads, not to Algerians or Libyans obviously.
why are they bringing so much attention to it all of the sudden?it's intentional right? or are they that unhinged
>>540025913It's them throwing their petty tantrum and punishing Spain for denying Israel and going against their kike masters. Especially when Israel's fortunes are very very much dependent on the Iran conflict ending in regime change. It's do or die for the yids so even the most minor refusal is going to be met with disproportionate retribution.
>>540025823Still another area that doesn't match modern Morocco and isn't reduced to a unified people.Besides, the point being the mass immigration.That has more to do with what immigrants were telling people that salaries in Morocco are low, not with any sovereignty claim.If anything this shows that Morocco has a lot of internal issues.I think taht it coincided with the king of Morocco giving a speech about how much Morocco has improved which I find quite ironic
>>540024829most jews dont come from Germany but from eastern Europe
>>540019396We literally didn't need war with iran
>>540026445>Still another area that doesn't match modern MoroccoI was referring to Fes and Meknes, i even reasserted it to clear out any confusion? How does that area not match modern Morocco? >If anything this shows that Morocco has a lot of internal issues.Evidently so, only a brazen liar would claim otherwise.
>>540025749Okay. Most Spaniards wouldn’t call him Spanish. “Spanishness” is something more “tangible”: that he speaks Spanish with a standard accent, that he has a Spanish name, that he isn’t a Muslim, that he doesn’t live in ghettos, and that he isn’t as black as pitch. Even if his last name weren’t Spanish, I assure you that everyone would then call him Spanish. In any case, I don’t know how important this is. You can argue for a sort of “Panmoroccanism.” Well, I stand by what I said at the beginning: Spain de facto controls Ceuta and Melilla, ergo Ceuta and Melilla are Spanish. Whether they should be is another matter. The point is that those who most fervently advocate for Ceuta and Melilla to remain Spanish are the people of Ceuta and Melilla themselves. Quite a few of their politicians are of Moroccan origin, as you’ve said. They even wear headscarves. Well, those very people have been the first to call for military intervention. For whatever reason, they detest Morocco. And you know as well as I do that trying to do anything by force would be a catastrophe.
>>540026163and Iran is not going anywhere it seems
>>540026621>How does that area not match modern Morocco?Being a smaller area. Set theory is very good to reason this spatial-category issues out A contains B doesn't imply A= B
>>540018037Morocco didnt exist as a state before about 1956 m8. Spain predates it by hundreds of years. Do try and keepup. Most of its history it was a christian area too.
>>540026722Certainly leaves Israel in a bit of a pickle. On the one hand they'll probably break everything and push the Golem far past what it can take without imploding if they force a boots on the ground situation, on the other hand if Iran achieves peace with control of Hormuz they'll eventually amass enough wealth to wipe Israel off the map while America continues to hemorrhage due to demographic corruption and decline.
>>540026633>Most Spaniards wouldn’t call him Spanish. “Spanishness” is something more “tangible”: that he speaks Spanish with a standard accent, that he has a Spanish name, that he isn’t a Muslim, that he doesn’t live in ghettos, and that he isn’t as black as pitch. Even if his last name weren’t SpanishThen there's the shared definition of your national identity. The Moroccan national identity is centuries older than the colonization that started in 1904. Such definition can be lose or tight, in your case, your definition seems to be rather lose.>Spain de facto controls Ceuta and Melilla, ergo Ceuta and Melilla are Spanish. Whether they should be is another matter. If that is your point, then we're on the same page. My entire point was targeted at the "should" part.> And you know as well as I do that trying to do anything by force would be a catastrophe.Sure, only a fool would. That said, Moroccans aren't less hellbent on taking it back as they were in the early 18th century when Moulay Ismail was besieging it. We evidently can't. And that's not to say that we all hate Spain. I have no ill feelings toward Spaniards and there's less negative emotions involved in this than say Argentina vs England when it comes to Malvinas.
>>540018037Only 2 small cities in Apefrica to acknowledge reconquista, muzzies deserve far far worse, Spanish and Portuguese should have brought native American slaves to push out Islam out of Africa all the way
>>540026897We could also expand the area to Marrakesh too if you will. Also, if you meant that a part does not represent a whole, you should've said "isn't representative" rather than "does not match". It's also the wrong angle from which to tackle the question since it's about the inception of Moroccan identity. Even if it wasn't representative, it's indicitative of it's existence as early as the Almoravids.
>>540018884>Ceuta couldn't be conquered even after a 33 year siege in the 18th century.Sounds like it belongs to Spain.
>>540018475TRUE LMAO
>>540027454Kek, well if you look at it this way
>>540026897I've realized that the line of argument is a kind of "geographical nationalism." Something similar to the "natural borders of France." The argument starts from an arbitrary premise that just so happens to benefit their interests. It’s very similar to what Israel does: “In the year 700, such-and-such a people occupied such-and-such an area, and we are the undisputed descendants of that people, so it rightfully belongs to us.” They’re taught this in school as children, but conveniently, they aren’t told that it’s a logical fallacy.In reality, Morocco wants Ceuta and Melilla for aesthetic reasons—just like Western Sahara. Because those little bites on the map look odd. And make no mistake: they also have an interest in diverting the public’s attention from much more pressing problems, such as the disastrous state their country is in
>>540018037Nobody ask why Morocco invaded and controlled Spain for 300 years. See this is a fun game both ways!
America really is Europe's eviler twin. A snake that always sides against Europe.I never want to hear you rotten turds claim you are fighting against Islam ever again. I am done with America now. Everything American I happen to like despite it all. I'm done giving you second thought. Thanks for finally liberating me from naivety I guess.
>>540027633You could perversely reframe virtually any land claim through this angle, even the past ones of the northern iberian kingdoms over Andalus. Moroccans want Ceuta and Melilla back because they're Amazigh Moroccan lands on the coastlines of riffian and beni zenassni tribes and because Spain has no business being there. The only reason they didn't return it like they did with Sidi Ifni in 1969 is because of the strategic value it holds and the EEZ it grants. Stripped from that component, Ceuta means nothing to Spain.
>>540022984>It’s unethical to drive them out or force a changeNo its not and its what YOU should be doing in Northern Morroco after this bs.
>>540027633That is literally their argument. Also, the fact that NATO won't defend those territories makes them bold and show their true colours, if the NATO charter (constitution) included Spain's North African territories then the Moroccans wouldn't dare to be so assertive. If the EU would have a defense pact which didn't include all of NATO's clauses and loopholes then we wouldn't see Moroccans bitch about it. It's very comparable to Argentina and the Falkland Islands. Also, Morocco's name in Arabic is literally "The West", a term Islam uses to apply to all countries west of Egypt, claiming that Moroccans have "an ancient history" because they are literally named after a geographical direction is extremely disingenuous on part of the Moroccan anon.
>>540027956The only way Europe could realistically secure its own borders is by unironically forming a modern Roman Empire and conquering every Meditteraen country outside of Europe and then dumping every post-1945 immigrant there for processing. Non-Europeans get deported to Israel, Europeans get to stay.
>>540027997This just shows that the EU is completely subordinated to US interests
I'm gonna go back there and take it back myself, then no one wins
>>540027997>Also, Morocco's name in Arabic is literally "The West", a term Islam uses to apply to all countries west of EgyptMorocco was called "Al Maghrib al Aqsa" and no such other land west of Egypt ever bore that name. Moroccan culture and history deliniated from the rest of islamic countries as soon as we seceded politically from the rest in the 8th century and remained separate from them across the succession of dynasties that ruled over it which resulted in a linguistic, cultural and even religious rift. Ceuta isn't claimed for aesthetic reasons. It's because it's a moroccan city that was conquered by the portuguese and because it's part of the land area of riffians and beni zenassni tribes. Because it is moroccan. As opposed to the Spanish motives for keeping ahold of it which are purely motivated by the geostrategic location it holds for them.
>>540028175And the U.S. is completely subordinated to Jewish interests. The EU exists not as an expression of European Power but a mechanism to keep Europe down while outwardly LARPing as the ideal postwar European dream that the people of Europe were sold.
>>540028094>conquering every Meditteraen country outside of EuropeYeah. If these countries are as bad as people say ("they have to come here, their countries are really bad') the its time to recolonize.
>>540027997I don't like you
>Anonymous (ID: Oht0p61E) OP 3 pbtid state of Israel IP >>540018037
>>540027946I don't know who these Amazigh are, but I can assure you they're not you. USA took Puerto Rico and Guam from us back in the 19th century, and we don't go around crying about it all day. Grow a pair and stop daydreaming about absurd ideals. Focus on what you can change, like hanging your kleptocratic paedophile king in the public square, and fix your country
>>540021868It's an imperial colony, kike
>>5400219281365 according to an old list I no longer have
>>540028818>USA took Puerto Rico and Guam from us back in the 19th century, and we don't go around crying about it all day. Grow a pair and stop daydreaming about absurd ideals.Thank you for the advise, but contrary to what you think, i don't "go crying about it all day". I occasionally visit this board and since the matter is of actuality, i discuss it. I'm not "obsessed" by it and i think i can speak for all Moroccans in that sense. We're still considering it occupied Moroccan territory. We cannot do anything about it for now as you rightly stated, so i don't get why you're irritated by my words. On, Puerto Rico and Guam, they weren't Spanish either. If i'm not mistaken, you behaved in a way that mirrors ours a few centuries ago and i'd bet anything that you'd be more unhinged if you were in my place.
>>540018234but make sure to never ask a christcuck why they let them back in 109 times
>>540028818>take Puerto Rico, Philippines and the Pacific islands as spoils of war>proceed to do nothing with them in the next century>the biggest price and the territory they really wanted was Cuba, which they didn't take, for some reason>left Cuba to rot and to become commie and a source of problems since thenI know they always say Vietnam, but I think the consequences of the American-Spanish War were even worse for them in the long run than the consequences of the Vietnam War.
>>540019396No gives af what you nigger spics think or do anymore. Your vote regarding another country is illegitimate and you're a waning power that can't enforce shit
>>540018037We don't care.We are going to rape you fat ass and any Jewish ass that comes nearby.We are not afraid. We'll get nukes and nuke the fuck out of any Jews on the planet.
>>540030057no vas a hacer nadani mierda
>>540029174People from Ceuta and Melilla don't want to be Moroccans.Muslim ex-Moroccans immigrants to Ceuta don't want to be Moroccan because your country is a big shit.In fact, the north of Morocco wants independence and they wave Spanish flags.As a non-Muslim, what the fuck are you doing in Morocco? are you a fucking low IQ Jew?
>>540018749At least native US wouldnt be judeo muzzie loving abomination that keeps spreading judaism and islam and killing white poeple.
>>540018037>Do what we say or we'll kick your teeth in.America in a nutshell. Burgers are just as disgusting as kikes.
>>540030108You are getting your ass kicked everywhere.China is going to rape your ass.You can't do shit against us. If you do, Spain will become a Chinese and anti-American bastion. And who will be your friend, you pathetic nigger? You are going to end up worse than Brazil, with your nigger demographics.You are nervous waging wars right and left, insulting Canada, Spain, Europe... everywhere, and can't even end a war in Iran.
>>540018902Trump is never right and the only thing that makes something "rightful clay" of any given nation, is that nation being willing and able to take it. Morocco doesn't even have the balls to attack Spain directly for it, they have to dump prisoners and subhuman scum into it, not even to reclaim it but just to fuck over Spain as much as possible. Spain is well within its rights to kill every last one of those shitskin invaders.
>>540022984Why does spain even have relations with morroco. I cant grasp this. I cant imagine my country bordering and colaborating with turkey after hundreds of years of war. Seems insane. Those are literaly your enemies since forever
>>540030323>we-we'll suck more China dick!!nah more like you'll get raped 10000 times more than you already havebased jews? uh based?you wont do shit
>>540018037no. as an Algerian Muslim, giving control of Ceuta and Melilla to the current Moroccan Zionist government is like asking for a rabbi to fuck you in the ass for eternity.Spain is doing more for the Palestinian cause than Morocco or any other Muslim country ever has, so let them keep it.Morocco signed the Abraham Accords and now they want control over the Strait of Gibraltar so they can serve Israel like the Zionist cucks they are, fuck that.
>>540030246>As a non-Muslim, what the fuck are you doing in Morocco? are you a fucking low IQ Jew?Lol, do you think all the Moroccan youth is muslim? I studied in France and Spain (IE) and then worked in France for some time until i got a good job offer here. Morocco may be hell on earth if you're a poorfag but it's by all means better than Europe if you're well off. I have quite a few French friends here who can't imagine living there because their quality of life would be seriously affected.
>>540022816Why didnt you take more land if that was the plan. Etnically cleanse Put landmines and machine guns. Shoot on sight.
>>540027946Fuck off nafri you should be nuked for what you did to west sahara with US and israeli help. You dont get to claim any pitty or right after this. worst traits of jews arabs and french are embeded in you.>>540030607Of course lying honorless french like it. Fucking judeo muzzie masonic banker nation.
>>540018037Nobody asks why you have Israel literally inside Palestine
>>540030607question, where's all the thicc nafri moro nymphomaniac beauties at in morocco, for a friend
>>540030503Does algir still back polisario west sahara movement. I wish someone started arming them they would kick morrocos ass.
>>540030912Keep your composure and try to speak without losing it. I'm the guy you want to see mad, remember?
>>540031040Lel, if it wasn't 4chan, i'd invite you to spend your next vacation with me and my buddies and show you around.
>>540031285actually curious, is the country a theocratic hellhole or are there places like belly dance pubs or whatever you guys have there where a BBW desert lady grinds you
>>540018037It's for ease of bringing blacks into europe
>>540031204Nothing to be mad about when you are bottom of barrel. Like a pajeet. How can he be mad. It can only get better for you regardless of what you do.
>>540018037Why is Israel in the middleeast
>>540031285Based cuck, dont forget to give him a discount for your mom and little sisters, 4 for the price of 1
>>540031204IQ and real life functioning:80-89 — Below averageAbove the threshold for normal independent functioning. Can perform explicit routinized hands-on tasks without supervision as long as there are no moments of choice and it is always clear what has to be done. Assembler, food service.This is also the I.Q. range most associated with violence. Most violent crime is committed by males from this range. This does not imply that all males in this range are violent, nor that all violent males are in this range. But when the modal I.Q. of a group is in this range, one may expect trouble with with many male members of that group. When the modal I.Q. of a society or population is raised upward of this range, violence decreases as fewer males fall in this range then, given the shape of an even remotely normal distribution. When the modal I.Q. of a society is below this range to begin with though, raising it may increase violence. The causal mechanism behind the (statistical) relation between crime and below-average I.Q. is likely that lower I.Q. levels inherently tend to go with having less impulse control, being less able to delay gratification, being less able to comprehend moral principles like the Golden Rule, and being overstrained by the cognitive demands of society.And, this is the range into which men of average or just above-average intelligence sink when under the influence of alcohol; alcohol reduces I.Q. by up to about 25 points while drunk (own data), which explains why many drunk men are violent and aggressive (own hypothesis).
>>540031339It's not a theocratic hellhole but definitely a poorfag hellhole with no social safetynet. Even people in the popular neighborhoods of Casa fuck and you can stumble upon a couple kissing at night in small alleyway during a ramadan night while others pray. Best way i could frame it is a country with a mosaic of coexisting subcultures that are oblivious of one another most of the time.>or are there places like belly dance pubs or whatever you guys have there where a BBW desert lady grinds youEh yeah there's that but i rarely go for whores, it's not hard to find a more fulfilling hookup.
>>540030471Moroccan and Israeli intelligence agencies managed to infect our president's cell phone with Pegasus, so they have a lot of nasty stuff on him. If what happened yesterday had happened to Franco, we would have already declared war on them
spain should never cuck outKeep that thorn in morocucks ass and station 100,000 infantry units there armed to the gills, shoot every single morocuck alive rape the women and castrate any child that comes close to the border and if the country gets uppity call article 5 on them and glass it into nothingness
>>540031583thx bro, what's the goto city? casablanca?
>>540018884
>>540031450I get it, you're not mad. Needless to say more.
>>540031572Moroccos iq is 67 unironically, no pun intended
>>540018749Bong, I know that it's impossible for a race of imperialist pirates such as yourself to understand this, but stealing is wrong and time doesn't change that. All that shit your people stole for your museums from all over the world centuries ago, it's still stolen property, same goes for the land, and same goes for other things like owning slaves. Just because slavery, stealing people's liberty, was going on for thousands of years doesn't make it right. That land is in an entire different continent and it doesn't belong to Spain in the same way that Gibraltar doesn't belong to the UK, it belongs to Spain.
>>540031660Agadir, Essaouira, Casablanca, Rabat, or Marrakech (but i don't like Marrakech) are all notable mentions but the city matters less than the groups you join. Usually a euro's easiest path forward would be to try and hang out with other euros who settled here and let them show them around if they don't have a Moroccan friend.
>>540018037We got enough Morccco in Canada too, why don't they fuck off back home?
>>540031864Oh hi! I have a Canadian passport a ton of family members in Montréal.
>>540021096cope it wasnt Morocco until the 20th century
>>540018037Maybe 100 years after Israel is destroyed.
>>540031864Just fuck moroccan women to make them mad
>>540031962No one can refute such astute, almost mathematical argumentation. You win.
>>540031583Isn't premarital sex illegal there? How do you guys usually treat Spaniards who go there? Any tips for picking up girls? It's impossible here, man
>>540030057Anon, you guys are literally going to naturalize all of the invaders. Your politicians are beyond cucked and have said as such. I have nothing against the average Spaniard, but... you literally won't do shit.
>>540031962This, morocco is 1956 onwards, even before then it was a fragile sultanate that only controlled cities on the brink of a major revolutionIt's called a protectorate for a reason
>>540030607>if you're well offLOL, holy fucking brainlette, Batman. EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET IS NICE IF YOU'RE WELL-OFF. Fucking CARTEL TERRITORY in Mexico is notoriously fucking delightful if you're rich and give them a smidge of a kickback. Holy fucking shit, you're retarded. Hate to break it to you, but the best places to live if you're wealthy are places with white people, so most of Europe has the best parts of Morocco beat. Holy fuck...
>>540032034Just wave your passport around they'll hop on your dickYou dont even need to commitPrefferably get the other anon to just hand out his sisters
>>540032034>Isn't premarital sex illegal there?So is alcohol but most of my acquaintances did both and people sleeping outside of marriage isn't really that uncommon in the major cities. >How do you guys usually treat Spaniards who go there?Everyone will be nice toward you if that's what you're worried about. What you really need to be wary about is scammers in tourist-trap areas.>Any tips for picking up girls?Go for bumble, avoid tinder, be generous and nice, don't jump to base one as soon as possible, she'll do all the effort to make you feel comfortable
>>540032034Also don't follow this guy's advice unless you want to be robbed in an airbnb: >>540032278
>>540020688>we wuz carthaginians n shit
>>540018037spain will surrender ceuta to macacco when israel surrenders itself to palestine and sends its entire population to the muttlands where they belong
>>540032476America would rule the rest of the world if they were blessed enough to receive the Jewish population.
>>540032260Everywhere on the planet is nice if you're well off, but still with proportionality. I have friends who are genuinely well off even by Paris standards, who own properties there and in switzerland and lands in Morocco and who still wouldn't never even consider relocating to their home. If you're upper middle class you simply live better here, especially if you're French since there's a substantial enough diaspora to surround yourself with if you wish. >Hate to break it to you, but the best places to live if you're wealthy are places with white people, so most of Europe has the best parts of Morocco beat.I'm wealthy and know europeans living here doesn't mean all wealthy moroccans hang out with the european diaspora in Morocco, i'm an exception, not the norm in that regard.
>>540032354Just like the last guy who got literally beheaded in an airbnb !https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Servaty
>>540018242gibraltar is actually opposite of ceuta. across the straight... of gibraltar
>>540032555>If you're upper middle class you simply live better hereKEK why are you such a liar.
>>540018037>those tiny enclaves Either annex morrocco or abandon the enclaves. This is stupid.
>>540018037>african politicsConsider myself uncared
>>540032657Servaty was literally calling for it. He was blackmailing underage girls and orphans. It was only a matter of time until his life turns into a game of hide and seek.
>>540019176>>540018884>>540023497No sane person wants Ceuta and Melilla to become Moroccan, lmao. None.Even if that fantasy somehow happened, they'd go downhill fast and turn into SHITHOLES.Not that it'll ever happen. Morocco can't even lock down its claims over a bunch of empty desert despite deepthroating jewish cock KEK, so the idea of taking two EU cities is pure brown fanfic.It's just another government distraction to hide the shameful situation. If visas disappeared tomorrow, half the country's youth would be gone by the weekend.The whole "muh Al-Andalus" angle is peak subhuman cope. It's LARPing for people who'd rather spam nationalist talking points than deal with the current reality.Moroccans are peak goy cattle.
>>540032729Ok, maybe a home in CIL or Hay Riad isn't quite upper middle class.
>>540032309Thanks mate. I wish we’d stop fighting over bullshit. I’d like to visit Casablanca. My parents were there in the ’80s. You can’t do anything with Spanish women, they try to lecture you on feminism and demand that you apologize for belonging to a gender of rapists, and then they report you for rape if you even touch their shoulder or hands (I’m not kidding, last year they convicted a guy for that)
>>540032833The best you could do is relocate. It's a wonder what you're still doing here.
>>540018037Uh totally organic mutt
>>540022346Then secede. Your flag already looks like the Confederate flag.
>>540032897>You can’t do anything with Spanish women, they try to lecture you on feminism and demand that you apologize for belonging to a gender of rapistsIf all you're interested in is a sex friend, why not just let them hear what they want and treat them like you'd treat a child?>and then they report you for rape if you even touch their shoulder or hands (I’m not kidding, last year they convicted a guy for that)Yeah, i heard you reached the stage of the feminism spectrum where you're flirting with dystopia
>>540018037If Spain were righteous, they wouldn't have to defend there being colonies in North Africa.
>>540018037> The United States is an imperial colony that needs to be wiped out and retaken by its native land owners.> If China decided to own all of New Jersey one day we sure as hell wouldn't let that stand. So shouldn't Ramapough.> Thank GOD Brad KillsCrow is delivering the USA what it so deserves after it's betrayal to us in our time of need.
>>540018475>>540018475Good point.
>>540033113>a state>righteousno such thing
>>540032800Based dude, all europeans should do it until they cleanse morocuck through sexual warfare
>>540033242You can always find the way out. Your existence must've been nothing but suffering and exposure to mockery here. You're not foreign to me, i remember months old posts of yours. Try your luck somewhere where you're free to express your sexuality.
>>540033038I’m not lacking in sex, but I’d like to find someone before it’s too late. If you think I’m exaggerating about the state of this degenerate cesspool… Just don’t let feminism and woke-puritan ideology get there, and everything will be fine. That, along with women's suffrage, are the greatest cancers of the West
>>540019396>america leading the charge to destabilize and destroy europe in the name of judaismtale as old as time
>>540032986Already tried that and you refused.
>>540033470Least mentally ill morocaca off his hasheesh, not surprising
>>540033669>I’m not lacking in sex, but I’d like to find someone before it’s too late.One last advice, beware of the grifters and find yourself a girl who's either already doing well or someone who's clearly a good soul. We might not have your brand of feminism here but some Moroccan women are the definition of evil in disguise. They have a black belt in manipulation and acting in ways i never witnessed abroad. If you're not gullible and quick to fall in love as soon as you're treated like a king you have nothing to fear. >Just don’t let feminism and woke-puritan ideology get there, and everything will be fineLol it's already working its way here, although still in early stages compared to Europe.
>>540034337>hasheeshkhaliji?
>>540034482Yes im here to fuck your sisters, can you get me a discount ? I pay extra to piss inside of their wombs
>>540018884Except that Moroccans INVADED Spain and subjected the Iberians to centuries of oppression, slavery, and rape, until they finally got pissed enough to drive you niggers out. And even then the let you stay if you converted to Christianity, which seems to have been a mistake because you didn't change you just pretended to so you wouldn't be killed or forced to leave. The Reconquista should have just massacred the lot of you.
>>540031596> so they have a lot of nasty stuff on him.Videos of him raping kids?
>>540018037china owns the world anon, don't you know about the monkey of jumping really high, he saw the world world and claimed it for china.
>>540018037had to have an outpost to make sure jews didn't open up the gates of toledo again like they did 1,300 years ago ...and look, they did it again.
>Dr. Eli David, the well-known artificial intelligence expert and tech entrepreneur, was born in Israel.>Ceuta and Melilla INSIDE of a country that never owned either city.This proves how nationalism make smart people so dumb. He feels slighted by Spain so he comes up with nonsense.
>>540018037The same way that California and big parts of the south in the US should be either a part of Mexico, wich they originally belongs to, or become a country of their own. Large parts of the American Southwest belonged to Mexico before being ceded through the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 and the Gadsden Purchase in 1854. This region includes the entire states of California, Nevada, and Utah, as well as most of Arizona and New Mexico, and parts of Texas, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma.Alaska really belongs to Russia also, and Hawaii is neither a US state in the logical sense.The US should also give back the stolen land to their rightful owners since the US is not a real country but an idea (like most US politicians say wich is correct).So yeah, its time to give back what once was taken and start over.
>>540018037Why do we have"Israel" literally inside Palestine?
>>540029790They were let in through liberal reformers, douchebag, not because the Bible doesn't preach the things that got them expelled the first time. Get your head out of your beaner ass.
>>540028404I wouldn't mind the fact that these people are incapable of governing themselves if we weren't then expected to view them as equals when clearly we're not.>it's better in europe! okay then let us take control of your countries and we can maybe lift your countries up to our standards>no you can't do that it's colonialism!okay fuck off then
>>540018037Wait til this guy hears about Alaska
>>540019176Most Gibraltarians are of Spanish ancestry but don't want to rejoin Spain.
>>540018242Gibraltar smells like piss, fags and chewing gum.
>>540018814If it wasnt for america the whole world would be speaking German now. You're welcome.
