And nobody is talking about this.Not the oil companies, or greenfags, or climate doomers, or anybody.Nobody seems to realize that once our energy return on investment for oil becomes too low, shipping becomes completely economically unviable. Global supply chains will break down.All the comfortable crap you've grown accustomed to will become too expensive to ownMedical supplies that rely on petrochemicals will no longer be readily available.We will move towards a localized, fragmented world where nuclear energy will power local grids.You won't have flying cars in the future, you'll have bicycles.People don't seem to realize this will be a reality in 50 years.Forget about climate change or wars or whatever other bullshit they feed you, this is pure pragmatic physics.Easily accesible oil had an EROI of 100:1, current oil reserves have about 20:1, society needs at least 15:1 to maintain its current energy needs at this scale. Green energy is a lie, they're lying, green energy cannot reach the necessary efficiency to sustain civilization, it will collapse without fossil fuel subsidizing it.Nuclear will work for a while but it will be far more limited and will not be able to power planes, container ships etc.You're living at a civilizational peak and it will deteriorate rapidly in 50 years. Mass famines, preventable deaths, civil unrest.Only hopes are deep geothermal energy (unproven) and nuclear fusion using hydrogen from water (unproven)The crazy thing is humanity will never recover, because future civilizations will not be able to access the deep underground resources we leave for them, but all the easily accesible ones we have already strip mined.Society will slowly squeeze and civilization contract purely due to lack of efficient energy.
>>540039596They will just start a war.
Okay, but will video-games not be woke anymore at least?
>>540039747Mars my ass, you niggers aren't gonna be able to fly across the atlantic in 50 yearsOil was a one time miracle that we've extracted all the efficient easily accesible reserves of. There's no egghead miracle energy on the way, prepare for civil unrestStack up on cans of beans, go rural
>>540039596I'm okay with going back to horse and buggy days.
>>540039836lmao buddy its straight from the wef.if you cant easily see straight through the blatant jewish lies, youre never gonna make it.theyre saying exactly what youre saying
>>540039596Some of the best thinking was done without electricity
>>540040000None of what they're saying is anything like what I'm sayingThey're saying green energy will magically replace fossil fuels and we'll be able to eliminate fossil fuels completelyI'm saying that is impossible and once we run out of efficiently extractable fossil fuels we are basically doomed as a civilizationNone of this has anything to do with climate change, carbon taxes, or whatever other bullshit they say
>>540040141They were lying about fossil fuels for over a century, feeding goycattle about scarcity bullshit constantly, they won't run out for next million years minimum, fuck off and die you useless nigger, they are wasting oil on making Funko pops, and I'm supposed to believe we are so short that in under 100 years we won't be able to produce plastic.
>>540040262plastic is a biproduct my friend
>>540040262That's not how capitalism works you fucking imbecileWe are not rationing oil because our economies require constant growth, if we rationed oil we would artificially stagnate the global economy. The world isn't dictacted by some command economy that can globally tell everyone to ration oil.You're a dumb animal that can't comprehend energy return on investment, go enjoy your funko pops while you can, they ain't getting shipped from indonesia anymore in 50 years.
They literally leave the lights on of every corporate building all night every night for nearly 50 years across most of the first world despite not even being open for business late at night since covid. It ain't real bruh - it's all fake.
>>540040440Who is they you fucking retard?You think factory owners are thinking about 50 years into the future?Or do you think they are all plugged into a hivemind that dictates spending habits?Some of you people really are low iq, I love to see jews rape you desu
>>540040262we've never had shortage of anything on earthunless its winter and you have no food due to your stockpile burning it was pretty much always easy to just be alive
>>540040329Yeah, we have no better uses for naphta, which is supposedly dangerously scarce and running out, Funko pops it is.
>>540039596Oh no, that sucks...
>>540040513Go for a fucking drive late at night you idiot - most businesses leave lights on despite being closes. Jews are once again jewing your retarded ass
>>540039596>civilizational peakThat was in the 1940’s, 50’s and 60’s before boomers and jews destroyed society
>>540040606Are you a retard or what?You think store owners give a shit about 50 years into the future?Or do you think all stores are collectively owned by jews?What even are you trying to say?I leave my ac on at night, yet I am aware that in 50 years ac's will probably be unaffordable, am I also part of this jewish plot?
>>540040700That's not the point, the point is total energy expenditure.The biomass that occupies the global south is spendint a shitton
>>540040389We have more oil reserves now than we did 100 years ago when doomers retards like you were already posting this cope all across the news, kill yourself you useless kike, we aren't going to run out anytime soon.
>>540040700yeah my grandma was laughing at my 10 year old child that it will work for free and wont have pensionkind of fucked up bro
>>540040552we're after the energy. It doesn't matter if a gorillion funko pops get made then thrown away
>>540040763Again you are a retard that can't comprehend EROIAn oil reserve that you can dig into with a shovel, and one that you need to do deep fracking for are not the same thing, imbecileOne will give you way higher energy return on the energy you put into acquiring itOnce the leftover oil is only in places where you have to invest more energy to get it than you get out of it, it's worthless.Can you comprehend it now, you subhuman?
>>540040807Yeah, because naphta has no energy and making Funko pops costs no energy?Damn we're on such a shortage of energy...
>>540040841There's no oil reserve that takes more energy to extract than it itself contains and it is only getting cheaper with "green energy", solar panel arrays surely can power an oil pump, retarded goylem.
>>540040989Just google energy return on investment, it's not a hard concept to comprehend if you have an iq above 60 I've already explained why none of those help and why you need a high enough EROI to maintain current standardsOil will never reach 1:1, but it will downsize more and more as it hits 4:1 and 2:1, at that point shipping and travel will become too expensive to maintain supply routes.
>>540041130I'm sure Funko pops are a great investment, humans are all rational agents making best choices ever in the fleeting moment and most importantly none of them think about future, yup see? This oil right here? Not efficient enough for my Funko pop industry, I am closing my factory!
>>540040742You don’t get the point. I don’t give a fuck about your fearmongering because this feminized, corporatized, multicultural society that jews built is already a humiliation ritual to have to live in as a white man. If anything running out of oil will be a good thing because that means more localized/communal societies and less globalization. The oil industry/energy sector is one of the jew’s greatest weapons.
>>540039596yes that's why they are trying to kill everything with white skin, since white people consume too much resources comparing it to the cave people like muslims or africans...
>>540040860>and making Funko pops costs no energyNo, the materials to make them exist anyway and go to the highest bidders. Fuel completely overshadows naptha when it comes to value, because that's really what we're after.
>>540041405Holy fuck what a retard, you are a literal 60 iq animalCurrently oil is efficient enough to be spent however people want to generate capital and wealth, including useless junk for consumption. It's dictated by supply and demand, not by top down future proofing global dictators. Are you aware of the concept that this doesn't guarantee such conditions will be available in the future? That just because oil is efficient enough now doesn't mean it will maintain that efficiency as it becomes harder and harder to extract?Retard animal, genuinely end your life
>>540041130lmao, what? we are alreadt at 1:1 EROI. Things are already getting desperate and that is why we are going after things like tarsands that require a massive input of energy to be refined into something useable. To whoever was makong that a solutely dumb comment about lights being left on... In The US we have pretty much emptied the SPR and the price of gas has barely gone up. There isn't some central authority pricing things or rationing. Right now oil is easily accessible even if the SPR is nearly empty. The price will only change once oil actually does become worth a higher premium.
>>540040440Most stores do inventory checks and restocking during after-hours. It's not like everyone goes home right as soon as the store closes.
>>540041553No it's not, oil being at 1:1 would mean it's literally not worth pumping out the ground
>>540041550They literally did the math and lobbied for every single person on earth to have a car and you're telling me about some made up bullshit.Don't forget that when you ride your bicycle to save precious oil reserves, it is causing testicular cancer.
>>540041473It means life is going to get hard and people will die for reasons we currently consider preventable. Also you are an idiot if you can't think enough steps ahead to how the wealthy will position themselves. They will have power, computers, rapid trasportation, communications, and medicine, you wont have more than a peasant from the 1800s had.
>>540039596>People don't seem to realize this will be a reality in 50 years.I will be 90 after having lived an amazing life. It is literally not my problem
>>540041677They already have this and I already have none of this.
>>540041624It's worth pumping out of the ground because of all the sunk cost infrastructure it makes function, and because we don't have another solution.
>>540041672Who is they you fucking animal?And why do you seem to think broader society gives a fuck about what happens in 50 years? Capitalism functions on current profit generation, not on preventing a disaster in 50 years. And there is no way to prevent the disaster, it's simple phyisics, you can only delay it
>>540041726You have already proven you are retarded, nobody cares about you, that is why you don't have anything
>>540041741That's not how EROI worksIf oil were at 1:1, that means every barrel of oil extracted is used to extract exactly 1 barrel of oilYou're pumping out oil just for the sake of then reusing the same oil to pump out the same amount in a useless cycle
>>540041746Well maybe look up who is they, I'm not your personal search engine, faggot.And if you own a petrol powered vehicle you're a disingenuous kike that doesn't believe what he's posting.
>>540039596We are living at the highest peak of human civilisation, and it's all downhill from here. Not trying to be negative, just telling the truth.
Humanity was living in energy peak for the last 60 years. It's all a scam, they'll just invent new energy or create renewable oil.
>>540041777You seem to be very afraid.
>>540041850There is no free energyFossil fuels were a one time thing of concentrated organic energy from millions of yearsThere is nothing other than nuclear that matches its EROI, but nuclear cannot match its ease of storage, transportation, and scalability
>>540041544If oil was running out it wouldn't be used for Funko pops, it's really as simple as that.You have no idea what happens when countries actually run out of resources, Timmy.
>>540039674Tfw you realize it just happened...I support Israel now.
>>540041801Creidt where credit is due I was speaking from memory about EROI charts I looked at in 2009 when I first learned about this.About the second part, you are wrong. We will most likely continue to extract oil even when it falls below 1:1, it just means it becomes and incredibly expensive substance. Think early solar panels that would take far more energy input to create than they would ever yeild. We still created them because in certain applications a photovoltaic cell was the only viable way to power something (satellites). That is what oil is going to become, a niche fuel.
>>540041965>fossil
>>540041985>If oil was running out it wouldn't be used for Funko pops, it's really as simple as that.lol what? There are countries where food and clean water are scarce and some people are living in complete malnutrition and diarrhea shitting themselves to death. Meanwhile, rich people in the same country have excess food they throw away and use clean water for fountains and vanity gardens and shit. I don't think you know how anything works
>>540042113Oh no how horrible, those poor people who cannot seem to figure out agriculture and animals and digging out wells, anyway...
>>540041965>nuclear cannot match its ease of storage, transportation, and scalabilitysmall reactors are coming and the fuel itself is getting cheaper to make
>>540042037Ye they gonna use it to power limited air travel, military tanks, such things that can't use batteries
>>540039596what comfort do i gain from plastic? all of it could be done with wood over time, planned better or more locally
>>540042208>that doesn't happen>ok it does but it's a GOOD THINGyou are so brown it's not even funny.
>>540042221Look into the haber-bosch production of fertilizerYou most like aren't starving to death due to cheap energy being used to produce a shitton of excess foodAlso, if you ever went to the doctor in your life, that wouldn't exist without efficient energy
>>540039596dafuq is this schizobabble, solar is still ramping, Australia has so much solar electricity is literally free noon to 3pm
>>540039596You're a fucking retard. Good day.
>>540042242If I was brown I'd be strawmanning water and food (both abundant, renewable, literally infinite) while coping about something finite.
>>540042285What's the EROI of it please? You people are like a fuken retard talking about gross revenue while I'm trying to explain return on investment
>>540040141That is *EXACTLY* what they're saying you fucking jew brained dipshit.
>>540042306Nice argument, really proving your intellectUseless animal
>>540042219You're literally repeating Agenda 2030. You need to be taken out back and shot.
>>540041821>We are living at the highest peak of human civilisation, and it's all downhill from here. Not trying to be negative, just telling the truth.unfortunately, with AI Superintelligence, the Age of Humans is in fact, over. We are now just the chimpanzees in the forest relative to ASI
>>540042324No it's not you cattle brained low iq brown monkeyWhy are you even concerned about jews, people like you don't have the iq to rule over their bedroom, much less the world, stay in your lane, animal
>>540042316Good enough that normal people put them on their roofs.
>>540042367Please debunk the EROI required to power civilization. Use actual physics, not your gay emotions please
>>540039596So? If shipping becomes valuable enough we'll get sails again and nuclear ships. Not my problem.
>>540041708>I will be 90Pls clarify?:I'm fairly old. but I would still like to hear from a 90yo. I'm only 60-something, but the blackpilling is already deep. This country is financially fucked, imo, and it only happened because of traitors, imo.
>>540042377You're a fucking jew and you need the bullet. Trying to hide your fucking agenda behind "EROI". No, fuckface, they've been lying about peak out, fusion works and they can't hide it anymore, and cheap fission is coming online to the point the issue will be legacy systems not being worth maintaining because oil isn't worth drilling.Seek Canadian healthcare you fucking lying jewish piece of dogshit. Scarcity is MANUFACTURED, and you're pushing their heinous, jewish lies.
>>540042397EROI is fixed by genociding niggers, they don't do it because EROI is made up bullshit.
>>540042441It's not manufactured you low iq brown monkeyYou are taking for granted a gigantic energy reserve that will no longer be energetically viable to even extract. I wish I could save faggots like you so I could contact you in 50 years in my bean shed and laugh at you while you live in squalor getting gangraped by niggers
>>540042449He's a fucking jew. They're mad no one is buying their Agenda 2030 plan to bring back feudalism. Fortunately he has a name and address, people like him who worked for that mafia aren't going to be around for much longer.
>>540042499Eat shit you DISGUSTING fucking jew. You're going straight against the fucking wall.
>>540039596Ive been thinking about how we have ungodly amounts of power yet they want us to pay more.
>>540042523>reeeee ur a jew because I'm a retard that can't comprehend basic physicsPeople like you deserve to be raped by jews, you are so low iq and useless you are a hindrance to civilization. God I can't wait for 2070 when no free infinite energy materializes and starving niggers knock down your door and rape and canibalize you
>>540039596You seem kind of dumb
>>540042507My favorite part of agenda 2030 is fixing poverty, I wonder how will they do it, niggers are predisposed to it, the only feasible solution is TND
>>540042594You sound hopeless and low iq
>>540042579No, you ARE a jew. There is no scarcity of energy, there's been a shitload buried to keep people in the West poor and controlled. You're a fucking deadman., You're getting paid to do this, and you're going to die screaming. Agenda 2030 is being flushed down the toilet and after your bosses are dead their footsoldiers are being turned into fertilizer.
>>540042370We certainly live in interesting times.
>>540042579You're a Jew because you keep bringing up your pets doing something violent to others, it's like you aren't really trying to hide it.Luckily guns don't need petrol to work.
>>540042625God it's gonna be so great when mass civilizational reset forces faggots like you realize your retardation right before you get cannibalized by niggers.I'm gonna be enjoying myself in my shed full of stacked cans of beans, enjoy getting raped, faggot.
>>540042625Trump stop posting on pol
>>540039747I wonder what's going to happen when AI takes over everything, which is right around the corner. What's gonna happen to all the goys? Surely they won't be all killed or something?
>>540039596A few people are very aware of this. But they dont talk about it much becasue they realize its a waste of time trying educate the sort of barely sentient retards you are encountering on this thread.For even those in the know its a still a mute point since many of them are childless and the grim reality lies beyond their expected lifetime.The question remains for those vanishing few people who do care about the future. Whether that be because they are still young, care about future generations, or simply because of the aesthetics. You see its unavoidable. We are going to regress. For that reason and a host of others, be they environmental or societal. Any attempt to mitigate it is politically impossible. Therefore the discussion may as well be aimed at strategies aimed at best coping with the future.Among these are the accelerationists. There are three distinct groups with differing ideologies.. But as I undertsnad their broad goals is to bring down society, and along with it population and consumerism as fast as possible. They feel this will achieve the following:1) Preserve what remains of the natural resources so that a nascent, and hopefully wiser, society will be able to arise again.2) Limit the environmental degradation so natural living sytems remain sustainable3) Result in the destruction of the people and institutions which allowed this situation to occur in the first place. Personally I think they are overly optimistic. Personally I just hope I am peacefully dead before the water starts to spill over the side of the lifeboat. Can you imagine the hellish panic that will unleash?
I have an idea.
>>540039596>ROI!!!!!Money isn’t real. Profit doesn’t have to be made. Public services can exist. Yes it is that simple.
>>540039596>green energy cannot reach the necessary efficiency to sustain civilizationWhy not? It already does so for some portions of the day in more developed parts of the world. Green technologies are only improving and growing more prevalent. Also, nuclear will continue to work for a very long while.
>>540042851>Caring about futureGood job, you are benefitting from current society, in a timeline where future isn't lost, you'd be one of the very first to be lynched, faggot.
>>540042851Yeah, it's a waste of time arguing with retards, I need to buy more cans of beans>>540042905Because it's a lie, they conveniently leave out massive amounts of energy that goes into the mining of ore required for batteries and panel assembly, as well as battery assembly and maintenance. Once you include those green is a dead end.
>>540042851And how would you know that? Which philosophy/ religion do you think they are following?
The death of cheap and easy energy and thus technology means a gradual return to the Middle Ages. It’s a good thing.
>>540040841Nah old sources fill back up. >>540040262There are mountains of coal in antarctica. Enough energy for to get us to type 1. Which of course the breakaway secret space program already is. >This is the end of the PetroDollar.
>>540042964I was like you once. I met an old guy say that society and the planet is doomed to slow decline becasue of greed and stupidity. I thought he was insufferably pessimistic. Then I heard others speak of it. Those with anything intelligent and rational to say were a tiny minority. After many years of learning and experiencing the true nature of Humanity I came to agree with them. For many years I tried to educate everyone I've met about exactly the sort of problems OP has stated.But they dont want to know. Or they are too stupid to understand. So unless you have a pragmatic and reasonable strategy try getting off your high horse, dull witted arsewipe.
>>540039596>shippingThis is a rare quality post, but that's the last thing to be concerned about. International shipping is extremely energy efficient. It's modern transportation, industry, and agriculture(!!!) which completely collapse without easy oil. Not a subtle decline which we can pivot out of, but centuries' worth of investment in systems which are dependent upon nonrenewable inputs.Without chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides which are mostly direct petrochemical products, most farmland in developed nations won't produce a single harvest. It would take decades of composting to restore the soil. Not to mention the extremely fuel-heavy mechanical methods which are universal in modern agriculture.Industry faces similar issues. Massive chemical plants purpose-built for singular synthetic sequences will prove uncomfortably inflexible when certain inputs become scarce. This is a chain reaction which ends with shortages of everything even proximally artificial.Roads and housing is the funny one. Half of the US living a 30-minute drive from everywhere will look remarkably stupid once a gallon of petrol costs $500 and the electrical grid suffers rolling blackouts from attempting to meet the demand of electric vehicles.
>>540041677You have the mind of a peasant if you can’t understand that if things get that bad then we’ll just kill the wealthy. The fact that things are just barely fucking tolerable right now is why revolution isn’t already happening, and we’re quickly trending in that direction even with plenty of access still to the precious oil.
>>540039596
>peak oilyou vill have no access to energy and you vill be happy>AI-driven hardware price hikeyou vill have no access to energy and you vill be happy>cloud computingyou vill have no access to energy and you vill be happy>pollutionyou vill have no access to energy and you vill be happy>muh environmentyou vill have no access to energy and you vill be happytldr: we limit the normalfag niggercattle subanimal's access to energy
>>540044104 > The fact that things are just barely fucking tolerable right now is why revolution isn’t already happening, and we’re quickly trending in that direction even with plenty of access still to the precious oil.oh really? so you're ok with the elites giving the population mass brain damage (leaded gas), forcing you to wageslave for 50 years, importing violent shitskins, dying in wars, turning the women into non-virgin whores, etc.? It seems to me that you don't actually have any say in how things are done and these revolutions are nothing more than yet another example of bread and circuses
>>540044524The reasons you listed are literally why I said we’re on the verge of revolution right now (among others, like the cost of housing).. when I said things are barely fucking tolerable, I meant we don’t have food shortages and the power grid still works and we still have clean water (for now).
>>540039596good.
>>540039596>Not the oil companies, or greenfags, or climate doomers, or anybody.dude this is all people have been talking about since ~2008 online, and before that since the 1960speak oil, /r/collapse, etc.
>>540045131so you're ok with being drained for 50+ years as long as you don't starve to death? Sounds like some slave shit, bro. Worse than being a peasant. This is why democracy is a failure. Revolutions get rid of 5% of the rich fags and then the process repeats anew.
>>540045483This is the first mention of scarcity in any form that I've seen in years. The normgroid cattle are obsessed with racism, other petty marxist bullshit, carbon dioxide, and glacier calving.
